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You’re 23 00:00:51,799 --> 00:00:53,101 got the day wrong. You’re listening to breakfast with 24 00:00:53,101 --> 00:00:54,399 listening to breakfast with Julia. I’m to radio. It is 25 00:00:54,399 --> 00:00:55,767 Julia. I’m to radio. It is Friday folks. It is uh don’t 26 00:00:55,767 --> 00:00:57,467 Friday folks. It is uh don’t forget you can watch. Show Live 27 00:00:57,467 --> 00:00:58,999 forget you can watch. Show Live We are streaming on YouTube, 28 00:00:58,999 --> 00:01:01,167 We are streaming on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter coming up 29 00:01:01,167 --> 00:01:02,301 Facebook and Twitter coming up nearly 4000000 public sector 30 00:01:02,301 --> 00:01:03,100 nearly 4000000 public sector workers, including soldiers, 31 00:01:03,100 --> 00:01:04,867 workers, including soldiers, police officers, teachers and 32 00:01:04,867 --> 00:01:05,633 police officers, teachers and civil servants face a pay 33 00:01:05,633 --> 00:01:07,967 civil servants face a pay freeze next year to help repair 34 00:01:07,967 --> 00:01:09,467 freeze next year to help repair the nation’s finances after 35 00:01:09,467 --> 00:01:10,500 the nation’s finances after coronavirus. In fact, it’s 36 00:01:10,500 --> 00:01:12,000 coronavirus. In fact, it’s gonna take more than 1 year 37 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,599 gonna take more than 1 year chance of issues. Now we use 38 00:01:13,599 --> 00:01:14,267 chance of issues. Now we use this comprehensive spending 39 00:01:14,267 --> 00:01:15,166 this comprehensive spending review next week to announce 40 00:01:15,166 --> 00:01:16,999 review next week to announce there must be only fair that 41 00:01:16,999 --> 00:01:18,667 there must be only fair that public sector wages are frozen 42 00:01:18,667 --> 00:01:19,300 public sector wages are frozen with many of those in the 43 00:01:19,300 --> 00:01:20,767 with many of those in the private sector face significant 44 00:01:20,767 --> 00:01:22,834 private sector face significant pay cuts or job losses. Also an 45 00:01:22,834 --> 00:01:23,967 pay cuts or job losses. Also an official inquiries concluded 46 00:01:23,967 --> 00:01:25,267 official inquiries concluded that home Secretary Patel 47 00:01:25,267 --> 00:01:27,766 that home Secretary Patel breached the minister. By 48 00:01:27,766 --> 00:01:28,533 breached the minister. By bullying civil servants 49 00:01:28,533 --> 00:01:30,667 bullying civil servants investigation has not always 50 00:01:30,667 --> 00:01:31,834 investigation has not always met the high standards required 51 00:01:31,834 --> 00:01:33,299 met the high standards required ministers for Boris Johnson 52 00:01:33,299 --> 00:01:34,634 ministers for Boris Johnson says he’s going to fight to 53 00:01:34,634 --> 00:01:36,000 says he’s going to fight to keep her and up to to 1000000 54 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,533 keep her and up to to 1000000 Brits could be vaccinated 55 00:01:37,533 --> 00:01:38,933 Brits could be vaccinated against coveted in a 56 00:01:38,933 --> 00:01:39,766 against coveted in a record-breaking push to beat 57 00:01:39,766 --> 00:01:41,334 record-breaking push to beat the virus. The NS is poised to 58 00:01:41,334 --> 00:01:42,933 the virus. The NS is poised to recruit more than 40000 extra 59 00:01:42,933 --> 00:01:44,000 recruit more than 40000 extra workers to roll out the job 60 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,300 workers to roll out the job with vaccine maker Phys 61 00:01:46,300 --> 00:01:47,834 with vaccine maker Phys expecting approval within days 62 00:01:47,834 --> 00:01:50,867 expecting approval within days plus. 63 00:01:57,599 --> 00:01:58,933 Should one of the nation’s 64 00:01:58,933 --> 00:01:59,966 Should one of the nation’s favorite Christmas songs Fairy 65 00:01:59,966 --> 00:02:02,533 favorite Christmas songs Fairy Tale of New York, be edited 66 00:02:02,533 --> 00:02:03,234 Tale of New York, be edited because of its potential 67 00:02:03,234 --> 00:02:04,766 because of its potential offensive lyrics. I think we 68 00:02:04,766 --> 00:02:06,267 offensive lyrics. I think we all know the answer to that. 69 00:02:06,267 --> 00:02:08,033 all know the answer to that. No6 34 is the time this talk 70 00:02:08,033 --> 00:02:11,200 No6 34 is the time this talk Radio Julia Hartley brewer at 71 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,533 Radio Julia Hartley brewer at Breakfast on Top radio Good 72 00:02:14,533 --> 00:02:15,933 Breakfast on Top radio Good morning to you. This is 73 00:02:15,933 --> 00:02:16,999 morning to you. This is breakfast with me. Julia Thank 74 00:02:16,999 --> 00:02:18,833 breakfast with me. Julia Thank you very much for your company. 75 00:02:18,833 --> 00:02:21,066 you very much for your company. lots to talk about as always 76 00:02:21,066 --> 00:02:22,066 lots to talk about as always is. I’m feeling a bit chilly 77 00:02:22,066 --> 00:02:23,333 is. I’m feeling a bit chilly today. It’s Friday. I mean I 78 00:02:23,333 --> 00:02:24,434 today. It’s Friday. I mean I think we’re all cheery on a 79 00:02:24,434 --> 00:02:25,634 think we’re all cheery on a Friday um and this month I 80 00:02:25,634 --> 00:02:26,933 Friday um and this month I don’t know about you this 81 00:02:26,933 --> 00:02:27,966 don’t know about you this month’s taking quite a long 82 00:02:27,966 --> 00:02:29,434 month’s taking quite a long time. isn’t it. This is the 83 00:02:29,434 --> 00:02:30,834 time. isn’t it. This is the longest November ever uh 84 00:02:30,834 --> 00:02:32,500 longest November ever uh without much. On and and I 85 00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:33,933 without much. On and and I think harder when you don’t 86 00:02:33,933 --> 00:02:35,567 think harder when you don’t feel uh because if you actually 87 00:02:35,567 --> 00:02:36,634 feel uh because if you actually look at the stats that you’re 88 00:02:36,634 --> 00:02:37,834 look at the stats that you’re actually doing anything good to 89 00:02:37,834 --> 00:02:39,933 actually doing anything good to save lives because of us, we 90 00:02:39,933 --> 00:02:40,633 save lives because of us, we all felt in March and April. we 91 00:02:40,633 --> 00:02:41,534 all felt in March and April. we were doing the right thing we 92 00:02:41,534 --> 00:02:43,800 were doing the right thing we were helping save lives, saying 93 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:44,467 were helping save lives, saying I hope we’re all in it 94 00:02:44,467 --> 00:02:45,766 I hope we’re all in it together. I don’t think the 95 00:02:45,766 --> 00:02:47,767 together. I don’t think the nation feels like that anymore 96 00:02:47,767 --> 00:02:49,333 nation feels like that anymore and I think that’s a lot of 97 00:02:49,333 --> 00:02:49,966 and I think that’s a lot of frustration for people but well 98 00:02:49,966 --> 00:02:51,933 frustration for people but well they are gonna be all in it 99 00:02:51,933 --> 00:02:52,634 they are gonna be all in it together. Uh we hear that 100 00:02:52,634 --> 00:02:53,767 together. Uh we hear that spending review from the 101 00:02:53,767 --> 00:02:55,834 spending review from the Johnson next week. Uh we are 102 00:02:55,834 --> 00:02:57,899 Johnson next week. Uh we are looking at a pay freeze for 103 00:02:57,899 --> 00:02:59,699 looking at a pay freeze for 4000000 well, some say 104 00:02:59,699 --> 00:03:00,167 4000000 well, some say Three-and-a-half something 105 00:03:00,167 --> 00:03:03,067 Three-and-a-half something five, but uh you. Of public 106 00:03:03,067 --> 00:03:05,267 five, but uh you. Of public sector workers not NS workers, 107 00:03:05,267 --> 00:03:06,999 sector workers not NS workers, doctors and nurses uh they will 108 00:03:06,999 --> 00:03:08,267 doctors and nurses uh they will be exempt from this, but a pay 109 00:03:08,267 --> 00:03:09,933 be exempt from this, but a pay for as well to be fair, um many 110 00:03:09,933 --> 00:03:11,067 for as well to be fair, um many people in the private sector 111 00:03:11,067 --> 00:03:13,533 people in the private sector have had their pay cut by uh we 112 00:03:13,533 --> 00:03:14,967 have had their pay cut by uh we actually cut by 20% in terms of 113 00:03:14,967 --> 00:03:16,599 actually cut by 20% in terms of fur of people out of a job 114 00:03:16,599 --> 00:03:17,967 fur of people out of a job people where they’re gonna keep 115 00:03:17,967 --> 00:03:19,100 people where they’re gonna keep their job even if they still 116 00:03:19,100 --> 00:03:21,299 their job even if they still got one. So maybe this is about 117 00:03:21,299 --> 00:03:22,133 got one. So maybe this is about sharing around the pain. we’ll 118 00:03:22,133 --> 00:03:23,599 sharing around the pain. we’ll talk about that throughout the 119 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:25,867 talk about that throughout the show joining me for all of the 120 00:03:25,867 --> 00:03:27,067 show joining me for all of the show is Steve and Allen. He’s a 121 00:03:27,067 --> 00:03:28,533 show is Steve and Allen. He’s a comedian and former chemist 122 00:03:28,533 --> 00:03:29,133 comedian and former chemist good morning to Steve Good 123 00:03:29,133 --> 00:03:31,500 good morning to Steve Good morning. I suppose given your. 124 00:03:31,500 --> 00:03:32,833 morning. I suppose given your. As one of those many people 125 00:03:32,833 --> 00:03:35,199 As one of those many people working, you know freelancer in 126 00:03:35,199 --> 00:03:36,467 working, you know freelancer in in the entertainment industry, 127 00:03:36,467 --> 00:03:37,234 in the entertainment industry, where you know literally the 128 00:03:37,234 --> 00:03:39,167 where you know literally the work has completely dried up. I 129 00:03:39,167 --> 00:03:40,734 work has completely dried up. I mean you’d love to have just to 130 00:03:40,734 --> 00:03:42,934 mean you’d love to have just to pay for. wouldn’t you yes, I 131 00:03:42,934 --> 00:03:44,334 pay for. wouldn’t you yes, I suppose if you could take me 132 00:03:44,334 --> 00:03:45,766 suppose if you could take me back to the start of March and 133 00:03:45,766 --> 00:03:47,334 back to the start of March and then just say no more extra 134 00:03:47,334 --> 00:03:48,434 then just say no more extra money than that. Yeah. Okay. 135 00:03:48,434 --> 00:03:49,900 money than that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. so we will be out with 136 00:03:49,900 --> 00:03:51,066 Yeah. so we will be out with Champagne if we’re allowed to 137 00:03:51,066 --> 00:03:51,767 Champagne if we’re allowed to be out with Champagne, whatever 138 00:03:51,767 --> 00:03:52,966 be out with Champagne, whatever it is we are allowed to do this 139 00:03:52,966 --> 00:03:55,399 it is we are allowed to do this week. Yes, we’d have to have 140 00:03:55,399 --> 00:03:56,334 week. Yes, we’d have to have champagne separately of the 141 00:03:56,334 --> 00:03:58,900 champagne separately of the social distance. Zooms Yes, try 142 00:03:58,900 --> 00:03:59,500 social distance. Zooms Yes, try and drink champagne through 143 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:01,966 and drink champagne through your mask. Yeah, exactly um, 144 00:04:01,966 --> 00:04:03,600 your mask. Yeah, exactly um, but I mean this is the thing I 145 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,333 but I mean this is the thing I uh uh in no way anymore. you’re 146 00:04:05,333 --> 00:04:06,367 uh uh in no way anymore. you’re rubbing their hands with Glazer 147 00:04:06,367 --> 00:04:07,867 rubbing their hands with Glazer Ha-ha-ha. You’re getting the 148 00:04:07,867 --> 00:04:08,967 Ha-ha-ha. You’re getting the pain as well. Not at all. I’ve 149 00:04:08,967 --> 00:04:09,766 pain as well. Not at all. I’ve got to get lots of family 150 00:04:09,766 --> 00:04:10,634 got to get lots of family members worked in the in the 151 00:04:10,634 --> 00:04:12,333 members worked in the in the public sector. Lot of people 152 00:04:12,333 --> 00:04:13,399 public sector. Lot of people done fantastic work over the 153 00:04:13,399 --> 00:04:14,500 done fantastic work over the years and a lot of these people 154 00:04:14,500 --> 00:04:17,867 years and a lot of these people are uh certainly the on really 155 00:04:17,867 --> 00:04:20,267 are uh certainly the on really low pay um but undoubtedly you 156 00:04:20,267 --> 00:04:21,933 low pay um but undoubtedly you know we with this whole. We’re 157 00:04:21,933 --> 00:04:22,500 know we with this whole. We’re all gonna pay taxes and we’re 158 00:04:22,500 --> 00:04:24,434 all gonna pay taxes and we’re gonna have our arms around 159 00:04:24,434 --> 00:04:26,500 gonna have our arms around everybody to help uh the 160 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:27,667 everybody to help uh the 3000000 Self-employed who 161 00:04:27,667 --> 00:04:28,999 3000000 Self-employed who missed out but the vast 162 00:04:28,999 --> 00:04:31,767 missed out but the vast majority of the. Uh you know 163 00:04:31,767 --> 00:04:32,234 majority of the. Uh you know getting the help from the 164 00:04:32,234 --> 00:04:33,199 getting the help from the government. Well, the reality 165 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:34,533 government. Well, the reality is the pay is gonna the payment 166 00:04:34,533 --> 00:04:35,967 is the pay is gonna the payment is gonna have to be made by the 167 00:04:35,967 --> 00:04:38,000 is gonna have to be made by the majority of the population as 168 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,533 majority of the population as well and uh a public sector 169 00:04:39,533 --> 00:04:40,999 well and uh a public sector workers are gonna be included 170 00:04:40,999 --> 00:04:43,300 workers are gonna be included that um Cbs reports said the 171 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:44,800 that um Cbs reports said the policy studies report very 172 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:45,933 policy studies report very influential in government that 173 00:04:45,933 --> 00:04:47,334 influential in government that this thing they said a 174 00:04:47,334 --> 00:04:49,800 this thing they said a three-year freeze could save 175 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,434 three-year freeze could save 3023 billion pounds over those 176 00:04:51,434 --> 00:04:54,366 3023 billion pounds over those 3 years um or although we are 177 00:04:54,366 --> 00:04:57,533 3 years um or although we are looking at um the million NS 178 00:04:57,533 --> 00:04:58,133 looking at um the million NS workers being excluded from 179 00:04:58,133 --> 00:05:00,000 workers being excluded from that and therefore. Uh there’ll 180 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,733 that and therefore. Uh there’ll be less, but you know we are 181 00:05:01,733 --> 00:05:03,434 be less, but you know we are talking about huge sums of 182 00:05:03,434 --> 00:05:05,133 talking about huge sums of money need to be uh frozen in 183 00:05:05,133 --> 00:05:07,399 money need to be uh frozen in terms of of public sector 184 00:05:07,399 --> 00:05:08,967 terms of of public sector budgets. Um this is what’s 185 00:05:08,967 --> 00:05:10,366 budgets. Um this is what’s gonna happen. I mean, let’s be 186 00:05:10,366 --> 00:05:11,700 gonna happen. I mean, let’s be honest. There’s an awful lot of 187 00:05:11,700 --> 00:05:12,900 honest. There’s an awful lot of people in the public sector 188 00:05:12,900 --> 00:05:14,434 people in the public sector who’ve had quite an easy year 189 00:05:14,434 --> 00:05:16,867 who’ve had quite an easy year this year. Um let’s be honest. 190 00:05:16,867 --> 00:05:18,667 this year. Um let’s be honest. um you know people in my local 191 00:05:18,667 --> 00:05:20,000 um you know people in my local council and everyone’s working 192 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,167 council and everyone’s working from home as far as I can tell 193 00:05:21,167 --> 00:05:22,333 from home as far as I can tell not getting very much done at 194 00:05:22,333 --> 00:05:23,800 not getting very much done at all. um the idea that they’ve 195 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,300 all. um the idea that they’ve the sort of front line key 196 00:05:25,300 --> 00:05:27,100 the sort of front line key workers is a load of nonsense, 197 00:05:27,100 --> 00:05:29,299 workers is a load of nonsense, but also just saying. They have 198 00:05:29,299 --> 00:05:30,933 but also just saying. They have to have a pay freeze because at 199 00:05:30,933 --> 00:05:32,767 to have a pay freeze because at the moment we’re we’re gonna 200 00:05:32,767 --> 00:05:33,434 the moment we’re we’re gonna have economic struggle 201 00:05:33,434 --> 00:05:34,800 have economic struggle elsewhere in the uh in the 202 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,766 elsewhere in the uh in the economy is kind of it’s 203 00:05:36,766 --> 00:05:38,267 economy is kind of it’s leveling down to use their 204 00:05:38,267 --> 00:05:38,800 leveling down to use their phrases to make sure that 205 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:40,000 phrases to make sure that they’re suffering as much as 206 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,100 they’re suffering as much as other people. I know it’s it’s 207 00:05:41,100 --> 00:05:42,634 other people. I know it’s it’s it’s it’s no, but the point is 208 00:05:42,634 --> 00:05:43,800 it’s it’s no, but the point is we have to share out the cost. 209 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,434 we have to share out the cost. Don’t we I mean that’s the 210 00:05:45,434 --> 00:05:46,399 Don’t we I mean that’s the reality, but they’re the first 211 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:47,100 reality, but they’re the first that’s gonna be kicked up over 212 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:49,400 that’s gonna be kicked up over this is going to be million 213 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,100 this is going to be million times a pay freeze a million 214 00:05:51,100 --> 00:05:52,999 times a pay freeze a million times, the fastest seems to be 215 00:05:52,999 --> 00:05:54,767 times, the fastest seems to be among many sectors in this 216 00:05:54,767 --> 00:05:56,500 among many sectors in this country about millions of 217 00:05:56,500 --> 00:05:57,334 country about millions of people losing their jobs. I 218 00:05:57,334 --> 00:05:58,800 people losing their jobs. I mean you know, I mean people. 219 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,300 mean you know, I mean people. The huge numbers of people 220 00:06:00,300 --> 00:06:01,634 The huge numbers of people means to people in this country 221 00:06:01,634 --> 00:06:03,900 means to people in this country if you’re not 80% of their pay, 222 00:06:03,900 --> 00:06:04,767 if you’re not 80% of their pay, this is a pay freeze at the 223 00:06:04,767 --> 00:06:06,299 this is a pay freeze at the same level of pay. You’re in. 224 00:06:06,299 --> 00:06:06,933 same level of pay. You’re in. Yeah okay with it with 225 00:06:06,933 --> 00:06:08,367 Yeah okay with it with inflation. That means over the 226 00:06:08,367 --> 00:06:09,233 inflation. That means over the next few years, it will be 227 00:06:09,233 --> 00:06:12,300 next few years, it will be going down in value, but not by 228 00:06:12,300 --> 00:06:14,834 going down in value, but not by 20%. It’s not no that’s true. I 229 00:06:14,834 --> 00:06:15,967 20%. It’s not no that’s true. I mean it’s a PR nightmare, 230 00:06:15,967 --> 00:06:17,467 mean it’s a PR nightmare, though it seems like whether 231 00:06:17,467 --> 00:06:18,667 though it seems like whether you think it’s an appropriate 232 00:06:18,667 --> 00:06:19,900 you think it’s an appropriate whether it’s the right thing to 233 00:06:19,900 --> 00:06:21,667 whether it’s the right thing to do it is the wrong time to do 234 00:06:21,667 --> 00:06:23,200 do it is the wrong time to do it because like today we hear 235 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:23,967 it because like today we hear the news you should say you 236 00:06:23,967 --> 00:06:25,866 the news you should say you exempt the NS work it takes you 237 00:06:25,866 --> 00:06:28,399 exempt the NS work it takes you down to 15000000000 saving. Day 238 00:06:28,399 --> 00:06:30,766 down to 15000000000 saving. Day after we hear 16000000000 to be 239 00:06:30,766 --> 00:06:32,467 after we hear 16000000000 to be spent on um defense, which just 240 00:06:32,467 --> 00:06:33,667 spent on um defense, which just because the way the headlines 241 00:06:33,667 --> 00:06:34,834 because the way the headlines came out made it look like it 242 00:06:34,834 --> 00:06:36,399 came out made it look like it was money spent on some space 243 00:06:36,399 --> 00:06:37,900 was money spent on some space force. Yeah. it’s bad. Pr. 244 00:06:37,900 --> 00:06:39,934 force. Yeah. it’s bad. Pr. Yeah. Absolutely. and I think a 245 00:06:39,934 --> 00:06:40,599 Yeah. Absolutely. and I think a lot of people will say they 246 00:06:40,599 --> 00:06:41,834 lot of people will say they just juggle with that and also 247 00:06:41,834 --> 00:06:43,901 just juggle with that and also the foreign aid budget except 248 00:06:43,901 --> 00:06:45,267 the foreign aid budget except the reality is the reality is 249 00:06:45,267 --> 00:06:47,766 the reality is the reality is we do you know we do absolutely 250 00:06:47,766 --> 00:06:49,633 we do you know we do absolutely uh need to have defenses and 251 00:06:49,633 --> 00:06:51,933 uh need to have defenses and actually you know defense is 252 00:06:51,933 --> 00:06:52,333 actually you know defense is going to be something that 253 00:06:52,333 --> 00:06:53,500 going to be something that happens in space from now you 254 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:54,733 happens in space from now you know with satellites to 255 00:06:54,733 --> 00:06:56,367 know with satellites to protecting satellites is a 256 00:06:56,367 --> 00:06:58,900 protecting satellites is a vital part. Uh of our defense 257 00:06:58,900 --> 00:07:00,434 vital part. Uh of our defense these days um let’s also talk 258 00:07:00,434 --> 00:07:01,634 these days um let’s also talk about uh pretty Patel front 259 00:07:01,634 --> 00:07:02,967 about uh pretty Patel front page of a lot of the papers 260 00:07:02,967 --> 00:07:05,467 page of a lot of the papers today. Uh is this uh reporting 261 00:07:05,467 --> 00:07:06,999 today. Uh is this uh reporting to the bullying allegations 262 00:07:06,999 --> 00:07:09,933 to the bullying allegations against a pretty Patel um the 263 00:07:09,933 --> 00:07:11,334 against a pretty Patel um the report has been leaked not 264 00:07:11,334 --> 00:07:12,599 report has been leaked not officially published could well 265 00:07:12,599 --> 00:07:13,900 officially published could well be published today. We told 266 00:07:13,900 --> 00:07:15,067 be published today. We told Bruce Johnson is gonna defend 267 00:07:15,067 --> 00:07:16,500 Bruce Johnson is gonna defend his home secretary no matter 268 00:07:16,500 --> 00:07:17,800 his home secretary no matter what the official inquiry has 269 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,300 what the official inquiry has concluded that she breached the 270 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:21,399 concluded that she breached the ministerial code by bullying 271 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:22,800 ministerial code by bullying civil servants. The 272 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:23,700 civil servants. The investigation said she had in 273 00:07:23,700 --> 00:07:25,267 investigation said she had in quotes not always met the high 274 00:07:25,267 --> 00:07:26,367 quotes not always met the high standards required of 275 00:07:26,367 --> 00:07:28,599 standards required of ministers. They concluded their 276 00:07:28,599 --> 00:07:30,066 ministers. They concluded their actions have been unintentional 277 00:07:30,066 --> 00:07:31,767 actions have been unintentional and there was also criticism of 278 00:07:31,767 --> 00:07:32,800 and there was also criticism of senior civil servants for not 279 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,234 senior civil servants for not raising concerns directly, but 280 00:07:34,234 --> 00:07:36,400 raising concerns directly, but also fact an awful lot of 281 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,167 also fact an awful lot of pitchers didn’t they didn’t 282 00:07:39,167 --> 00:07:40,500 pitchers didn’t they didn’t actually do what they were 283 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:42,900 actually do what they were asked to do um uh look 284 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:44,334 asked to do um uh look obviously bullying is not 285 00:07:44,334 --> 00:07:45,167 obviously bullying is not acceptable in the workplace, 286 00:07:45,167 --> 00:07:46,767 acceptable in the workplace, but again there are question 287 00:07:46,767 --> 00:07:47,334 but again there are question marks about what people mean 288 00:07:47,334 --> 00:07:49,900 marks about what people mean when they talk about bullying. 289 00:07:49,900 --> 00:07:51,434 when they talk about bullying. I imagine she’s a bit of a 290 00:07:51,434 --> 00:07:52,467 I imagine she’s a bit of a nightmare to work with frankly, 291 00:07:52,467 --> 00:07:53,766 nightmare to work with frankly, but I imagine most of the home 292 00:07:53,766 --> 00:07:54,534 but I imagine most of the home office a bit of a nightmare to 293 00:07:54,534 --> 00:07:55,300 office a bit of a nightmare to work with. I think there’ll be 294 00:07:55,300 --> 00:07:56,734 work with. I think there’ll be many people who want to. The 295 00:07:56,734 --> 00:07:58,166 many people who want to. The job done who would be tearing 296 00:07:58,166 --> 00:07:59,267 job done who would be tearing their hair out dealing with 297 00:07:59,267 --> 00:08:01,033 their hair out dealing with home office officials given the 298 00:08:01,033 --> 00:08:01,966 home office officials given the level of incompetence we see at 299 00:08:01,966 --> 00:08:03,799 level of incompetence we see at the home office every single 300 00:08:03,799 --> 00:08:06,000 the home office every single day I think um and we talked 301 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:06,900 day I think um and we talked about this last time I was in 302 00:08:06,900 --> 00:08:08,800 about this last time I was in the news you should it should 303 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,500 the news you should it should never be acceptable to act in 304 00:08:11,500 --> 00:08:12,933 never be acceptable to act in that way, just because you 305 00:08:12,933 --> 00:08:14,133 that way, just because you wanted to get a result if you 306 00:08:14,133 --> 00:08:16,333 wanted to get a result if you don’t have the ability to get a 307 00:08:16,333 --> 00:08:17,767 don’t have the ability to get a result without having some sort 308 00:08:17,767 --> 00:08:19,399 result without having some sort of bullying style behavior, 309 00:08:19,399 --> 00:08:20,334 of bullying style behavior, then you’re doing the job 310 00:08:20,334 --> 00:08:21,067 then you’re doing the job wrong. be the adult in the 311 00:08:21,067 --> 00:08:22,400 wrong. be the adult in the room. be the one who doesn’t 312 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,000 room. be the one who doesn’t shout and therefore you’re not 313 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,167 shout and therefore you’re not wrong too. This is what I don’t 314 00:08:25,167 --> 00:08:26,599 wrong too. This is what I don’t understand about. Bully in the 315 00:08:26,599 --> 00:08:28,133 understand about. Bully in the workplace you you’re you’re in 316 00:08:28,133 --> 00:08:30,000 workplace you you’re you’re in the right until you act like 317 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,533 the right until you act like that and then you’re part of 318 00:08:31,533 --> 00:08:32,799 that and then you’re part of the problem as well. Uh yeah. 319 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:34,400 the problem as well. Uh yeah. I’m not. I’m not. I’m not 320 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:35,533 I’m not. I’m not. I’m not approving what she’s what she’s 321 00:08:35,533 --> 00:08:35,967 approving what she’s what she’s alleged to have done. 322 00:08:35,967 --> 00:08:38,467 alleged to have done. absolutely not 100%. However, I 323 00:08:38,467 --> 00:08:40,000 absolutely not 100%. However, I do wonder they do seem to be 324 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,467 do wonder they do seem to be double standards an awful lot 325 00:08:41,467 --> 00:08:42,167 double standards an awful lot of the people that did the 326 00:08:42,167 --> 00:08:43,867 of the people that did the David Lammy and I was on the 327 00:08:43,867 --> 00:08:45,034 David Lammy and I was on the labor side who are very 328 00:08:45,034 --> 00:08:47,267 labor side who are very critical of her um and they 329 00:08:47,267 --> 00:08:49,167 critical of her um and they were defending John Burke. I’m 330 00:08:49,167 --> 00:08:50,433 were defending John Burke. I’m not saying two wrongs make a 331 00:08:50,433 --> 00:08:52,000 not saying two wrongs make a right but they were defending 332 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,333 right but they were defending the Speaker Speaker Speaker 333 00:08:53,333 --> 00:08:55,333 the Speaker Speaker Speaker John Becker when there were 334 00:08:55,333 --> 00:08:57,167 John Becker when there were allegation of uh of uh bullying 335 00:08:57,167 --> 00:08:59,500 allegation of uh of uh bullying by him. Gordon Brown was known 336 00:08:59,500 --> 00:09:00,533 by him. Gordon Brown was known to be you know throwing things 337 00:09:00,533 --> 00:09:02,334 to be you know throwing things across the office at his. I 338 00:09:02,334 --> 00:09:03,700 across the office at his. I mean physically throwing stuff. 339 00:09:03,700 --> 00:09:04,999 mean physically throwing stuff. I mean, you know that’s a 340 00:09:04,999 --> 00:09:06,267 I mean, you know that’s a criminal offense, let alone 341 00:09:06,267 --> 00:09:07,966 criminal offense, let alone bully, but no one was speaking 342 00:09:07,966 --> 00:09:10,334 bully, but no one was speaking up about that I do wonder 343 00:09:10,334 --> 00:09:11,233 up about that I do wonder whether there are different 344 00:09:11,233 --> 00:09:12,833 whether there are different standards for people like 345 00:09:12,833 --> 00:09:14,199 standards for people like Patel. I think I think partly 346 00:09:14,199 --> 00:09:15,399 Patel. I think I think partly because a woman, you know, I 347 00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:15,966 because a woman, you know, I don’t pay the woman card very 348 00:09:15,966 --> 00:09:17,199 don’t pay the woman card very often, but I think part cuz 349 00:09:17,199 --> 00:09:19,466 often, but I think part cuz she’s a woman. I say I’ve I’ve 350 00:09:19,466 --> 00:09:20,834 she’s a woman. I say I’ve I’ve I’m sure she’s difficult. I’m 351 00:09:20,834 --> 00:09:22,533 I’m sure she’s difficult. I’m I’m not under any illusions. 352 00:09:22,533 --> 00:09:24,933 I’m not under any illusions. However, I do think that the 353 00:09:24,933 --> 00:09:25,833 However, I do think that the standard they hold they hold 354 00:09:25,833 --> 00:09:27,434 standard they hold they hold her to a high standard and also 355 00:09:27,434 --> 00:09:28,000 her to a high standard and also I genuinely think she would 356 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,333 I genuinely think she would have gone in she’d to rub their 357 00:09:30,333 --> 00:09:31,900 have gone in she’d to rub their noses and you know rub their 358 00:09:31,900 --> 00:09:32,599 noses and you know rub their backs at the wrong way there 359 00:09:32,599 --> 00:09:35,467 backs at the wrong way there she is Brexit. Demanding 360 00:09:35,467 --> 00:09:36,033 she is Brexit. Demanding action, which the home office 361 00:09:36,033 --> 00:09:37,900 action, which the home office refusing to do we had the home 362 00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:39,233 refusing to do we had the home office officials only a couple 363 00:09:39,233 --> 00:09:40,734 office officials only a couple of years ago, got rid of Amber 364 00:09:40,734 --> 00:09:42,533 of years ago, got rid of Amber Rod when she was home secretary 365 00:09:42,533 --> 00:09:43,966 Rod when she was home secretary by her by forcing her to lie to 366 00:09:43,966 --> 00:09:45,766 by her by forcing her to lie to parliament by deliberately 367 00:09:45,766 --> 00:09:46,467 parliament by deliberately giving her false information, 368 00:09:46,467 --> 00:09:47,967 giving her false information, those civil servants were kept 369 00:09:47,967 --> 00:09:49,267 those civil servants were kept in their jobs. they would just 370 00:09:49,267 --> 00:09:50,733 in their jobs. they would just moved to different departments. 371 00:09:50,733 --> 00:09:52,000 moved to different departments. They didn’t even get sat for 372 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,000 They didn’t even get sat for lying to the home Secretary and 373 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,300 lying to the home Secretary and forcing her to lie to 374 00:09:55,300 --> 00:09:56,234 forcing her to lie to Parliament by giving her false 375 00:09:56,234 --> 00:09:57,933 Parliament by giving her false data Uh on the wind rush 376 00:09:57,933 --> 00:09:59,767 data Uh on the wind rush affair, I mean the level of 377 00:09:59,767 --> 00:10:03,299 affair, I mean the level of incompetence and and useless of 378 00:10:03,299 --> 00:10:04,734 incompetence and and useless of home office officials and I 379 00:10:04,734 --> 00:10:06,399 home office officials and I it’s so extraordinary. I think 380 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:09,299 it’s so extraordinary. I think I think. Be a saint, not to be 381 00:10:09,299 --> 00:10:10,599 I think. Be a saint, not to be shouting at these people, but 382 00:10:10,599 --> 00:10:13,334 shouting at these people, but then that’s not it. It’s loud. 383 00:10:13,334 --> 00:10:16,833 then that’s not it. It’s loud. I’m just saying that you know 384 00:10:16,833 --> 00:10:20,834 I’m just saying that you know why competence and dishonesty 385 00:10:20,834 --> 00:10:22,599 why competence and dishonesty by home office stuff, but 386 00:10:22,599 --> 00:10:23,800 by home office stuff, but because she shad at someone 387 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,834 because she shad at someone probably then oh she’s she’s I 388 00:10:25,834 --> 00:10:28,234 probably then oh she’s she’s I mean, III think incompetence is 389 00:10:28,234 --> 00:10:29,599 mean, III think incompetence is worse. personally it is and it 390 00:10:29,599 --> 00:10:31,399 worse. personally it is and it should be sorted and it’s 391 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:32,000 should be sorted and it’s you’re right to say that it 392 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,399 you’re right to say that it shouldn’t be accepted, but it 393 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:34,599 shouldn’t be accepted, but it is it’s more of an end rather 394 00:10:34,599 --> 00:10:35,767 is it’s more of an end rather than a butt isn’t actually 395 00:10:35,767 --> 00:10:37,500 than a butt isn’t actually speak to the bullying problem 396 00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:39,766 speak to the bullying problem um to try and say that their 397 00:10:39,766 --> 00:10:41,301 um to try and say that their behavior makes people turn into 398 00:10:41,301 --> 00:10:42,667 behavior makes people turn into bullies would only be 399 00:10:42,667 --> 00:10:43,966 bullies would only be acceptable as a. Opposition is 400 00:10:43,966 --> 00:10:45,567 acceptable as a. Opposition is if absolutely everyone in that 401 00:10:45,567 --> 00:10:47,334 if absolutely everyone in that position had been a bully. the 402 00:10:47,334 --> 00:10:48,000 position had been a bully. the fact that not everyone’s been 403 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,533 fact that not everyone’s been accused of it means it would be 404 00:10:49,533 --> 00:10:51,267 accused of it means it would be possible to do without being a 405 00:10:51,267 --> 00:10:51,899 possible to do without being a bully. Yes and you’re right 406 00:10:51,899 --> 00:10:54,399 bully. Yes and you’re right about hypocrisy party politics 407 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:55,767 about hypocrisy party politics loves a little walk down 408 00:10:55,767 --> 00:10:56,800 loves a little walk down Hypocrisy Avenue doesn’t 409 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:57,634 Hypocrisy Avenue doesn’t someone not on our side is 410 00:10:57,634 --> 00:10:59,600 someone not on our side is doing it. then that’s far worse 411 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:00,899 doing it. then that’s far worse than someone on our side. It’s 412 00:11:00,899 --> 00:11:01,900 than someone on our side. It’s wrong for anyone to believe 413 00:11:01,900 --> 00:11:04,000 wrong for anyone to believe I’ve no I’ve absolutely agreed 414 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,367 I’ve no I’ve absolutely agreed what do you think about the 415 00:11:05,367 --> 00:11:05,966 what do you think about the prime minister saying he wants 416 00:11:05,966 --> 00:11:07,533 prime minister saying he wants to keep it because we know we 417 00:11:07,533 --> 00:11:08,166 to keep it because we know we don’t he’s obviously we need to 418 00:11:08,166 --> 00:11:09,100 don’t he’s obviously we need to put up with a level of bullying 419 00:11:09,100 --> 00:11:10,533 put up with a level of bullying the stuff that Dom Cummings 420 00:11:10,533 --> 00:11:13,300 the stuff that Dom Cummings would routinely say uh to his. 421 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:15,766 would routinely say uh to his. Special advisers I mean, I mean 422 00:11:15,766 --> 00:11:16,999 Special advisers I mean, I mean it’s you know it wouldn’t be 423 00:11:16,999 --> 00:11:17,467 it’s you know it wouldn’t be acceptable in any other 424 00:11:17,467 --> 00:11:19,300 acceptable in any other workplace. how he behaved. I 425 00:11:19,300 --> 00:11:21,100 workplace. how he behaved. I mean talk about basic level of 426 00:11:21,100 --> 00:11:23,133 mean talk about basic level of normal normal manners of how to 427 00:11:23,133 --> 00:11:25,267 normal normal manners of how to talk to people um so he’s 428 00:11:25,267 --> 00:11:26,500 talk to people um so he’s obviously happy to put up with 429 00:11:26,500 --> 00:11:28,867 obviously happy to put up with that. so he’s willing to spend 430 00:11:28,867 --> 00:11:29,599 that. so he’s willing to spend quite a lot of political 431 00:11:29,599 --> 00:11:30,767 quite a lot of political capital to keep do you think 432 00:11:30,767 --> 00:11:32,000 capital to keep do you think part of that is the fact that 433 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,933 part of that is the fact that she is hugely hugely popular 434 00:11:35,933 --> 00:11:38,267 she is hugely hugely popular among the to grassroots. Yeah. 435 00:11:38,267 --> 00:11:39,933 among the to grassroots. Yeah. and also I think it’s not just 436 00:11:39,933 --> 00:11:40,867 and also I think it’s not just about uh spending political 437 00:11:40,867 --> 00:11:42,734 about uh spending political capital to keep her. I think. 438 00:11:42,734 --> 00:11:44,234 capital to keep her. I think. He’d also lose political 439 00:11:44,234 --> 00:11:45,400 He’d also lose political capital if she were removed, 440 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:46,900 capital if she were removed, remove for this, so actually 441 00:11:46,900 --> 00:11:48,000 remove for this, so actually he’s got some skin in this 442 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,399 he’s got some skin in this game, the same reason that 443 00:11:49,399 --> 00:11:51,199 game, the same reason that makes people hypocritical when 444 00:11:51,199 --> 00:11:52,301 makes people hypocritical when it comes to party politics 445 00:11:52,301 --> 00:11:54,299 it comes to party politics means that even if he thought 446 00:11:54,299 --> 00:11:56,000 means that even if he thought she’d over step the mark, yes, 447 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:56,700 she’d over step the mark, yes, the defender, or at least 448 00:11:56,700 --> 00:11:57,967 the defender, or at least pretended offender for a while. 449 00:11:57,967 --> 00:11:59,767 pretended offender for a while. I mean I remember the good old 450 00:11:59,767 --> 00:12:00,799 I mean I remember the good old face when David Cameron, it 451 00:12:00,799 --> 00:12:02,334 face when David Cameron, it doesn’t matter who he backed as 452 00:12:02,334 --> 00:12:02,967 doesn’t matter who he backed as soon as he said he had 453 00:12:02,967 --> 00:12:04,000 soon as he said he had confidence in them. They were 454 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,434 confidence in them. They were gone within a week. Yeah. 455 00:12:06,434 --> 00:12:07,966 gone within a week. Yeah. absolutely uh let’s talk about 456 00:12:07,966 --> 00:12:09,233 absolutely uh let’s talk about some good news there let’s talk 457 00:12:09,233 --> 00:12:10,900 some good news there let’s talk about front page huge coveted 458 00:12:10,900 --> 00:12:13,333 about front page huge coveted boost 1000000 jobs a day their 459 00:12:13,333 --> 00:12:14,467 boost 1000000 jobs a day their headline, our biggest push ns 460 00:12:14,467 --> 00:12:16,767 headline, our biggest push ns up to 1000000 Brits a day to be 461 00:12:16,767 --> 00:12:18,066 up to 1000000 Brits a day to be vaccinated. Uh the NS is poised 462 00:12:18,066 --> 00:12:19,867 vaccinated. Uh the NS is poised to. Well, the 40000 extra 463 00:12:19,867 --> 00:12:21,434 to. Well, the 40000 extra workers to roll out the jobs 464 00:12:21,434 --> 00:12:23,200 workers to roll out the jobs vaccine maker expected approval 465 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,733 vaccine maker expected approval within days. They say they can 466 00:12:24,733 --> 00:12:26,267 within days. They say they can start shipping within hours. 467 00:12:26,267 --> 00:12:27,100 start shipping within hours. You know as this is the key 468 00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:29,334 You know as this is the key thing is that all of these uh 469 00:12:29,334 --> 00:12:30,899 thing is that all of these uh vaccine producers the 470 00:12:30,899 --> 00:12:31,466 vaccine producers the pharmaceutical companies 471 00:12:31,466 --> 00:12:34,467 pharmaceutical companies whether it’s fasten for Oxford 472 00:12:34,467 --> 00:12:36,533 whether it’s fasten for Oxford University or they are they’ve 473 00:12:36,533 --> 00:12:37,599 University or they are they’ve basically been producing. they 474 00:12:37,599 --> 00:12:38,800 basically been producing. they set up factories. They’ve been 475 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,234 set up factories. They’ve been producing it uh it’s all bought 476 00:12:40,234 --> 00:12:42,634 producing it uh it’s all bought and paid for uh and basically 477 00:12:42,634 --> 00:12:43,734 and paid for uh and basically you know we put in loads of 478 00:12:43,734 --> 00:12:44,599 you know we put in loads of orders. It’s just a question of 479 00:12:44,599 --> 00:12:46,767 orders. It’s just a question of getting it out there do you 480 00:12:46,767 --> 00:12:47,467 getting it out there do you think we’re capable of that we 481 00:12:47,467 --> 00:12:49,533 think we’re capable of that we would have got 1 minute. A day 482 00:12:49,533 --> 00:12:52,000 would have got 1 minute. A day I mean, I mean good luck with 483 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,334 I mean, I mean good luck with that um and the fact that they 484 00:12:53,334 --> 00:12:54,000 that um and the fact that they were so difficult to carry out 485 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,767 were so difficult to carry out swabs and I gathered you know 486 00:12:55,767 --> 00:12:56,599 swabs and I gathered you know swabs and gotta get it back to 487 00:12:56,599 --> 00:12:58,133 swabs and gotta get it back to the lab and do the testing that 488 00:12:58,133 --> 00:12:59,967 the lab and do the testing that is more complicated to certain 489 00:12:59,967 --> 00:13:01,634 is more complicated to certain extent uh jobs you don’t really 490 00:13:01,634 --> 00:13:02,967 extent uh jobs you don’t really need much training to give her 491 00:13:02,967 --> 00:13:04,533 need much training to give her a injection, not even for 492 00:13:04,533 --> 00:13:07,734 a injection, not even for nurses. It’s it’s a one do one 493 00:13:07,734 --> 00:13:09,434 nurses. It’s it’s a one do one teach one is the old motto in 494 00:13:09,434 --> 00:13:11,800 teach one is the old motto in the NS in which case could we 495 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:12,667 the NS in which case could we just genuinely have people 496 00:13:12,667 --> 00:13:14,800 just genuinely have people queuing up outside football 497 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:15,567 queuing up outside football stadiums and just getting the 498 00:13:15,567 --> 00:13:16,533 stadiums and just getting the job? This is the one topic 499 00:13:16,533 --> 00:13:18,733 job? This is the one topic where I’m not gonna. My natural 500 00:13:18,733 --> 00:13:19,767 where I’m not gonna. My natural cynicism come through because 501 00:13:19,767 --> 00:13:20,733 cynicism come through because it’s the one thing we need to 502 00:13:20,733 --> 00:13:23,067 it’s the one thing we need to get right and yes we ended up 503 00:13:23,067 --> 00:13:24,434 get right and yes we ended up with lots of p on a plane in a 504 00:13:24,434 --> 00:13:25,767 with lots of p on a plane in a totally different country. We 505 00:13:25,767 --> 00:13:26,967 totally different country. We ended up with the wrong kind of 506 00:13:26,967 --> 00:13:28,599 ended up with the wrong kind of P and as you say the only way 507 00:13:28,599 --> 00:13:29,767 P and as you say the only way they managed to get enough test 508 00:13:29,767 --> 00:13:31,634 they managed to get enough test done was to not measure how 509 00:13:31,634 --> 00:13:33,299 done was to not measure how many were done, which was an 510 00:13:33,299 --> 00:13:34,900 many were done, which was an interesting way to fit um how 511 00:13:34,900 --> 00:13:36,567 interesting way to fit um how many we could have done is a 512 00:13:36,567 --> 00:13:37,967 many we could have done is a very different target, but this 513 00:13:37,967 --> 00:13:39,299 very different target, but this is the one thing every all of 514 00:13:39,299 --> 00:13:40,300 is the one thing every all of the actions that have been 515 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:41,500 the actions that have been annoying that have impacted our 516 00:13:41,500 --> 00:13:42,766 annoying that have impacted our life and all of it was just 517 00:13:42,766 --> 00:13:44,267 life and all of it was just kicking the can down the road. 518 00:13:44,267 --> 00:13:45,967 kicking the can down the road. finally the bit further down 519 00:13:45,967 --> 00:13:46,900 finally the bit further down the road seems to have three 520 00:13:46,900 --> 00:13:48,567 the road seems to have three different vaccines and no spray 521 00:13:48,567 --> 00:13:49,934 different vaccines and no spray and Mouthwash down it. So we’re 522 00:13:49,934 --> 00:13:51,967 and Mouthwash down it. So we’re almost there. Yeah. uh yes we. 523 00:13:51,967 --> 00:13:53,599 almost there. Yeah. uh yes we. Do it, I have faith for no good 524 00:13:53,599 --> 00:13:55,267 Do it, I have faith for no good reason, but I know I like that. 525 00:13:55,267 --> 00:13:56,500 reason, but I know I like that. I like that. I mean, I mean, 526 00:13:56,500 --> 00:13:57,334 I like that. I mean, I mean, I’ve I’ve been a little bit of. 527 00:13:57,334 --> 00:13:58,999 I’ve I’ve been a little bit of. I just don’t see a vaccine 528 00:13:58,999 --> 00:14:00,033 I just don’t see a vaccine being rolled out quickly in 529 00:14:00,033 --> 00:14:00,700 being rolled out quickly in time. I mean we’re talking 530 00:14:00,700 --> 00:14:01,966 time. I mean we’re talking about getting to Easter just to 531 00:14:01,966 --> 00:14:04,533 about getting to Easter just to do the elderly. Um II wanna 532 00:14:04,533 --> 00:14:05,934 do the elderly. Um II wanna have the hope I really wanna 533 00:14:05,934 --> 00:14:07,834 have the hope I really wanna have the hope I mean you know 534 00:14:07,834 --> 00:14:09,434 have the hope I mean you know all hands on deck People God 535 00:14:09,434 --> 00:14:10,800 all hands on deck People God send send the injections how 536 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,399 send send the injections how will we will inject ourselves? 537 00:14:12,399 --> 00:14:13,633 will we will inject ourselves? Frankly? I’m sure I can learn 538 00:14:13,633 --> 00:14:14,767 Frankly? I’m sure I can learn how to do that in a couple of 539 00:14:14,767 --> 00:14:17,299 how to do that in a couple of moments at 646 is the time and 540 00:14:17,299 --> 00:14:18,000 moments at 646 is the time and more from Steve throughout the 541 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,133 more from Steve throughout the show you are listening to Julia 542 00:14:20,133 --> 00:14:22,900 show you are listening to Julia Show on Talk radio. 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To radio traffic and travel in the 636 00:17:31,634 --> 00:17:33,767 radio traffic and travel in the m 25, there is now a lane open 637 00:17:33,767 --> 00:17:35,034 m 25, there is now a lane open past the scene of the crash 638 00:17:35,034 --> 00:17:37,899 past the scene of the crash near junction one between the 639 00:17:37,899 --> 00:17:40,600 near junction one between the two and Junction one B this 640 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,799 two and Junction one B this causing cues from at least 641 00:17:42,799 --> 00:17:43,634 causing cues from at least junction three the Swan and 642 00:17:43,634 --> 00:17:45,767 junction three the Swan and queuing on the aw towards the m 643 00:17:45,767 --> 00:17:47,899 queuing on the aw towards the m 25 Somerset the southbound side 644 00:17:47,899 --> 00:17:49,899 25 Somerset the southbound side of the ffive that is closed. 645 00:17:49,899 --> 00:17:52,434 of the ffive that is closed. It’s closed from Junction 22 at 646 00:17:52,434 --> 00:17:54,501 It’s closed from Junction 22 at sea to junction 23 at 647 00:17:54,501 --> 00:17:55,634 sea to junction 23 at Bridgewater to north. There is 648 00:17:55,634 --> 00:17:58,434 Bridgewater to north. There is a diversion. Takes you on the a 649 00:17:58,434 --> 00:18:00,833 a diversion. Takes you on the a 38? That’s the latest I’m Gary 650 00:18:00,833 --> 00:18:03,634 38? That’s the latest I’m Gary Scott after this year, Tesco 651 00:18:03,634 --> 00:18:05,734 Scott after this year, Tesco says there is no naughty list 652 00:18:05,734 --> 00:18:08,699 says there is no naughty list so everyone deserves a great 653 00:18:08,699 --> 00:18:09,767 so everyone deserves a great Christmas, which means you can 654 00:18:09,767 --> 00:18:11,266 Christmas, which means you can indulge in our three for two 655 00:18:11,266 --> 00:18:13,266 indulge in our three for two offered party food now fairs 656 00:18:13,266 --> 00:18:15,299 offered party food now fairs and advertising deal for 657 00:18:15,299 --> 00:18:16,699 and advertising deal for starters, Tesco every little 658 00:18:16,699 --> 00:18:18,600 starters, Tesco every little helps cheapest item free 659 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,400 helps cheapest item free excludes express end of January 660 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,000 excludes express end of January Kevin O Sullivan tomorrow 661 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,333 Kevin O Sullivan tomorrow morning from ten on Talk radio 662 00:18:24,333 --> 00:18:25,034 morning from ten on Talk radio kick. Start your weekends with 663 00:18:25,034 --> 00:18:27,466 kick. Start your weekends with me Kevin O Sullivan outspoken. 664 00:18:27,466 --> 00:18:28,699 me Kevin O Sullivan outspoken. They really think they’re gonna 665 00:18:28,699 --> 00:18:29,899 They really think they’re gonna pull the wall over our eyes 666 00:18:29,899 --> 00:18:31,466 pull the wall over our eyes with his nonsense outrageous 667 00:18:31,466 --> 00:18:34,333 with his nonsense outrageous people are. Health and often 668 00:18:34,333 --> 00:18:38,333 people are. Health and often out of control 300 390 94.9 300 669 00:18:38,333 --> 00:18:40,799 out of control 300 390 94.9 300 99.9 400 999 when the big stars 670 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:43,466 99.9 400 999 when the big stars talk they talk to me on talk 671 00:18:43,466 --> 00:18:45,034 talk they talk to me on talk Radio Kevin O tomorrow morning 672 00:18:45,034 --> 00:18:48,333 Radio Kevin O tomorrow morning from ten on talk radio Talk 673 00:18:48,333 --> 00:18:50,866 from ten on talk radio Talk Radio Julia Hartley brewer at 674 00:18:50,866 --> 00:18:53,867 Radio Julia Hartley brewer at breakfast on Talk Radio Good 675 00:18:53,867 --> 00:18:55,333 breakfast on Talk Radio Good morning to you. This is 676 00:18:55,333 --> 00:18:56,500 morning to you. This is breakfast with Julia. Thank you 677 00:18:56,500 --> 00:18:57,833 breakfast with Julia. Thank you so much for your company. Steve 678 00:18:57,833 --> 00:18:58,634 so much for your company. Steve Allen still joining me as a 679 00:18:58,634 --> 00:18:59,500 Allen still joining me as a comedian and former chemist. 680 00:18:59,500 --> 00:19:01,167 comedian and former chemist. let’s look at those front pages 681 00:19:01,167 --> 00:19:02,234 let’s look at those front pages today The Sun we were just 682 00:19:02,234 --> 00:19:04,300 today The Sun we were just talking about. 1000000 jobs a 683 00:19:04,300 --> 00:19:06,000 talking about. 1000000 jobs a day biggest push in NS history 684 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,533 day biggest push in NS history for getting the coveted vaccine 685 00:19:07,533 --> 00:19:08,800 for getting the coveted vaccine out there The Times Patel 686 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,367 out there The Times Patel guilty of bullying staff leaked 687 00:19:11,367 --> 00:19:12,900 guilty of bullying staff leaked report fines and 4000000 public 688 00:19:12,900 --> 00:19:14,767 report fines and 4000000 public workers have pay frozen as 689 00:19:14,767 --> 00:19:16,334 workers have pay frozen as well. Uh daily Mail also got 690 00:19:16,334 --> 00:19:17,933 well. Uh daily Mail also got that public sector pay for pay 691 00:19:17,933 --> 00:19:20,334 that public sector pay for pay low for 5000000 to covet black 692 00:19:20,334 --> 00:19:21,067 low for 5000000 to covet black hole and like my newspapers 693 00:19:21,067 --> 00:19:22,900 hole and like my newspapers that we got a picture of uh the 694 00:19:22,900 --> 00:19:25,800 that we got a picture of uh the Queen and Prince Philip at the 695 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,834 Queen and Prince Philip at the 73 years of marriage. Wow, That 696 00:19:28,834 --> 00:19:30,799 73 years of marriage. Wow, That is a long time folks um my 697 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:31,533 is a long time folks um my husband right now, just 698 00:19:31,533 --> 00:19:33,167 husband right now, just probably just work. Up and then 699 00:19:33,167 --> 00:19:34,301 probably just work. Up and then just turn the light off back 700 00:19:34,301 --> 00:19:36,399 just turn the light off back again in horror, the thought of 701 00:19:36,399 --> 00:19:38,234 again in horror, the thought of that the Daily Telegraph all me 702 00:19:38,234 --> 00:19:39,567 that the Daily Telegraph all me to have specialist for high 703 00:19:39,567 --> 00:19:41,766 to have specialist for high tech Future wars or mass 704 00:19:41,766 --> 00:19:43,301 tech Future wars or mass vaccination centers to speed up 705 00:19:43,301 --> 00:19:44,800 vaccination centers to speed up a distribution of the jab. Also 706 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,334 a distribution of the jab. Also the Brexit talks halted once 707 00:19:46,334 --> 00:19:48,233 the Brexit talks halted once again at a crucial point 708 00:19:48,233 --> 00:19:49,966 again at a crucial point because of yet another coveted 709 00:19:49,966 --> 00:19:52,767 because of yet another coveted positive case. uh the Guardian 710 00:19:52,767 --> 00:19:53,467 positive case. uh the Guardian you’re spending rare seen that 711 00:19:53,467 --> 00:19:54,667 you’re spending rare seen that could squeeze on public sector 712 00:19:54,667 --> 00:19:55,866 could squeeze on public sector A’s picture, picture. of course 713 00:19:55,866 --> 00:19:57,100 A’s picture, picture. of course of a Patel. Why wouldn’t they 714 00:19:57,100 --> 00:19:58,634 of a Patel. Why wouldn’t they the eye Hope for vaccine with 715 00:19:58,634 --> 00:20:01,167 the eye Hope for vaccine with in UK within a fortnite uh 716 00:20:01,167 --> 00:20:03,434 in UK within a fortnite uh daily and dog care home scandal 717 00:20:03,434 --> 00:20:04,900 daily and dog care home scandal grieving families uh legal bid 718 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:06,700 grieving families uh legal bid to get a judicial review over 719 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:09,034 to get a judicial review over uh a lack of care. Death in 720 00:20:09,034 --> 00:20:11,334 uh a lack of care. Death in care homes back in the first 721 00:20:11,334 --> 00:20:12,900 care homes back in the first wave of Daily Express Boris 722 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:14,234 wave of Daily Express Boris Baffle experts to save 723 00:20:14,234 --> 00:20:16,334 Baffle experts to save Christmas uh the Daily Star new 724 00:20:16,334 --> 00:20:16,999 Christmas uh the Daily Star new job joy typical you wait all 725 00:20:16,999 --> 00:20:18,634 job joy typical you wait all year for Chrono vaccine and 726 00:20:18,634 --> 00:20:19,599 year for Chrono vaccine and then three come along at the 727 00:20:19,599 --> 00:20:22,133 then three come along at the same time saying uh a couple at 728 00:20:22,133 --> 00:20:24,533 same time saying uh a couple at a bus stop uh the lovely stuff 729 00:20:24,533 --> 00:20:26,000 a bus stop uh the lovely stuff uh let’s talk to Matt. He’s 730 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,434 uh let’s talk to Matt. He’s political expert at the 731 00:20:27,434 --> 00:20:28,599 political expert at the University of Birmingham. Good 732 00:20:28,599 --> 00:20:30,000 University of Birmingham. Good Morning Good morning Good 733 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,533 Morning Good morning Good morning. Uh let’s talk about 734 00:20:31,533 --> 00:20:32,567 morning. Uh let’s talk about the politics of this public 735 00:20:32,567 --> 00:20:35,500 the politics of this public sector pay freeze um has been 736 00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:37,167 sector pay freeze um has been uh you know for Christmas so 737 00:20:37,167 --> 00:20:38,133 uh you know for Christmas so far this year, handing out all 738 00:20:38,133 --> 00:20:39,266 far this year, handing out all the cash of course you know 739 00:20:39,266 --> 00:20:40,267 the cash of course you know when ask Where’s the money 740 00:20:40,267 --> 00:20:42,399 when ask Where’s the money coming from. Well, whether it’s 741 00:20:42,399 --> 00:20:43,800 coming from. Well, whether it’s boring or whether it’s from uh 742 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,466 boring or whether it’s from uh taxes, it’s all coming from our 743 00:20:45,466 --> 00:20:46,967 taxes, it’s all coming from our taxes eventually, but now we’re 744 00:20:46,967 --> 00:20:47,967 taxes eventually, but now we’re hearing from next week’s 745 00:20:47,967 --> 00:20:49,533 hearing from next week’s spending review. he’s going to 746 00:20:49,533 --> 00:20:50,467 spending review. he’s going to be sharing out quite a lot of 747 00:20:50,467 --> 00:20:52,234 be sharing out quite a lot of the pain of paying that money 748 00:20:52,234 --> 00:20:54,434 the pain of paying that money back. That’s right. he’s 749 00:20:54,434 --> 00:20:55,900 back. That’s right. he’s turning into screech pretty 750 00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:57,434 turning into screech pretty quickly and uh we knew this 751 00:20:57,434 --> 00:20:58,900 quickly and uh we knew this would happen we knew uh we 752 00:20:58,900 --> 00:21:02,267 would happen we knew uh we we’ve been on a rising uh. 753 00:21:02,267 --> 00:21:03,199 we’ve been on a rising uh. curve of the roller coaster 754 00:21:03,199 --> 00:21:05,133 curve of the roller coaster public spending. There’s got to 755 00:21:05,133 --> 00:21:06,534 public spending. There’s got to be a drop uh the question is 756 00:21:06,534 --> 00:21:07,934 be a drop uh the question is where the money comes from and 757 00:21:07,934 --> 00:21:09,434 where the money comes from and here it seems from the mayor’s 758 00:21:09,434 --> 00:21:10,999 here it seems from the mayor’s report that there is going to 759 00:21:10,999 --> 00:21:13,533 report that there is going to be uh a ring drawn around 760 00:21:13,533 --> 00:21:15,333 be uh a ring drawn around health workers uh but it is not 761 00:21:15,333 --> 00:21:17,700 health workers uh but it is not going to. All of the public 762 00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:19,167 going to. All of the public sector workers, some of whom 763 00:21:19,167 --> 00:21:21,833 sector workers, some of whom were key workers uh social care 764 00:21:21,833 --> 00:21:24,000 were key workers uh social care workers emergency service 765 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,399 workers emergency service workers teachers uh all of 766 00:21:25,399 --> 00:21:27,866 workers teachers uh all of those sorts of people uh look 767 00:21:27,866 --> 00:21:29,901 those sorts of people uh look likely to have their pay and 768 00:21:29,901 --> 00:21:32,334 likely to have their pay and contained uh have strength in 769 00:21:32,334 --> 00:21:33,933 contained uh have strength in order to help lower the 770 00:21:33,933 --> 00:21:36,634 order to help lower the government’s bills now uh that 771 00:21:36,634 --> 00:21:37,800 government’s bills now uh that in a government which is 772 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,833 in a government which is already being criticized for 773 00:21:39,833 --> 00:21:41,767 already being criticized for not pursuing leveling up 774 00:21:41,767 --> 00:21:43,433 not pursuing leveling up policy, which it got elected 775 00:21:43,433 --> 00:21:45,766 policy, which it got elected on, is going to be damaging. 776 00:21:45,766 --> 00:21:47,267 on, is going to be damaging. Maybe a bit of a kite that 777 00:21:47,267 --> 00:21:48,567 Maybe a bit of a kite that maybe just putting it out in 778 00:21:48,567 --> 00:21:49,900 maybe just putting it out in the press, seeing how it plays 779 00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:51,700 the press, seeing how it plays with people see if the reaction 780 00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:53,700 with people see if the reaction is look, we understand it has 781 00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:56,267 is look, we understand it has to be done uh but we may find 782 00:21:56,267 --> 00:21:57,967 to be done uh but we may find out very shortly uh that the 783 00:21:57,967 --> 00:22:00,667 out very shortly uh that the the hard times that we expected 784 00:22:00,667 --> 00:22:01,966 the hard times that we expected to pursue the the uh are going 785 00:22:01,966 --> 00:22:04,333 to pursue the the uh are going to be with us. Yeah, I mean 786 00:22:04,333 --> 00:22:05,367 to be with us. Yeah, I mean they were always going to be 787 00:22:05,367 --> 00:22:06,000 they were always going to be with us and and again I know 788 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,634 with us and and again I know this will be a big outcry about 789 00:22:07,634 --> 00:22:09,899 this will be a big outcry about this course uh the NS staff 790 00:22:09,899 --> 00:22:11,434 this course uh the NS staff excluded from mister nurses and 791 00:22:11,434 --> 00:22:13,167 excluded from mister nurses and doctors. I think the show with 792 00:22:13,167 --> 00:22:14,133 doctors. I think the show with your hospital porters and those 793 00:22:14,133 --> 00:22:16,399 your hospital porters and those again working. As hard as this 794 00:22:16,399 --> 00:22:18,000 again working. As hard as this uh included in it, but the 795 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,533 uh included in it, but the reality is um you know there 796 00:22:19,533 --> 00:22:20,767 reality is um you know there are other people who’ve been on 797 00:22:20,767 --> 00:22:22,900 are other people who’ve been on 8% of their pay Most of the 798 00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:23,334 8% of their pay Most of the year lost their jobs face 799 00:22:23,334 --> 00:22:25,800 year lost their jobs face losing their jobs. um no chance 800 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,434 losing their jobs. um no chance of a pay rise goodness knows 801 00:22:27,434 --> 00:22:29,767 of a pay rise goodness knows whenever in how many years time 802 00:22:29,767 --> 00:22:31,634 whenever in how many years time um so frankly, you know if we 803 00:22:31,634 --> 00:22:32,967 um so frankly, you know if we do respect to public sector 804 00:22:32,967 --> 00:22:36,299 do respect to public sector workers who work hard um you 805 00:22:36,299 --> 00:22:37,034 workers who work hard um you know getting off lightly well 806 00:22:37,034 --> 00:22:39,199 know getting off lightly well uh that maybe the reaction of 807 00:22:39,199 --> 00:22:40,533 uh that maybe the reaction of the public. of course you know 808 00:22:40,533 --> 00:22:41,933 the public. of course you know there are 5000000 public 809 00:22:41,933 --> 00:22:42,499 there are 5000000 public workers. There are a lot more 810 00:22:42,499 --> 00:22:44,467 workers. There are a lot more other people who as you say um. 811 00:22:44,467 --> 00:22:45,766 other people who as you say um. May have had their team their 812 00:22:45,766 --> 00:22:47,500 May have had their team their businesses closed down uh may 813 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:48,866 businesses closed down uh may have lost their jobs and are 814 00:22:48,866 --> 00:22:51,533 have lost their jobs and are gonna find it very hard as the 815 00:22:51,533 --> 00:22:52,867 gonna find it very hard as the economy suffers over the next 816 00:22:52,867 --> 00:22:54,533 economy suffers over the next year or 2 years. We’re not 817 00:22:54,533 --> 00:22:55,599 year or 2 years. We’re not quite sure how long this will 818 00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:58,434 quite sure how long this will take to recover from so this 819 00:22:58,434 --> 00:23:00,766 take to recover from so this maybe uh a calculated measure 820 00:23:00,766 --> 00:23:01,966 maybe uh a calculated measure by the government as I say they 821 00:23:01,966 --> 00:23:03,533 by the government as I say they may be putting these stories 822 00:23:03,533 --> 00:23:04,867 may be putting these stories out to find out exactly how 823 00:23:04,867 --> 00:23:07,399 out to find out exactly how much of this they can get away 824 00:23:07,399 --> 00:23:08,834 much of this they can get away without without taking too much 825 00:23:08,834 --> 00:23:09,967 without without taking too much of a political hit. This course 826 00:23:09,967 --> 00:23:10,867 of a political hit. This course comes after the six and a half 827 00:23:10,867 --> 00:23:12,000 comes after the six and a half billion pounds, defense 828 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:12,799 billion pounds, defense spending that was announced 829 00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:14,599 spending that was announced yesterday. Projects and I’m 830 00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:15,700 yesterday. Projects and I’m just been talking to Steve 831 00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:17,966 just been talking to Steve Allen about that, and you know 832 00:23:17,966 --> 00:23:19,834 Allen about that, and you know a lot of the uh the visuals on 833 00:23:19,834 --> 00:23:21,967 a lot of the uh the visuals on this won’t look good. Oh, it’s 834 00:23:21,967 --> 00:23:23,500 this won’t look good. Oh, it’s some money for some you know, 835 00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:25,167 some money for some you know, space age technology and you 836 00:23:25,167 --> 00:23:26,500 space age technology and you know and here’s uh here’s a 837 00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:27,933 know and here’s uh here’s a teacher, not getting a pay rise 838 00:23:27,933 --> 00:23:29,967 teacher, not getting a pay rise of time. Um you can see the 839 00:23:29,967 --> 00:23:31,900 of time. Um you can see the optics won’t look that good. 840 00:23:31,900 --> 00:23:33,933 optics won’t look that good. That’s right. and of course the 841 00:23:33,933 --> 00:23:35,400 That’s right. and of course the story that there have been 842 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,267 story that there have been about uh friends of members of 843 00:23:37,267 --> 00:23:38,200 about uh friends of members of the government making large 844 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,800 the government making large amounts of money out of the P 845 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,300 amounts of money out of the P project or being given jobs uh 846 00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:46,234 project or being given jobs uh running. Uh running the vaccine 847 00:23:46,234 --> 00:23:49,300 running. Uh running the vaccine program uh that those look bad 848 00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:51,766 program uh that those look bad alongside a government’s uh 849 00:23:51,766 --> 00:23:52,634 alongside a government’s uh claim that it is trying to give 850 00:23:52,634 --> 00:23:53,967 claim that it is trying to give an opportunity to everybody, 851 00:23:53,967 --> 00:23:55,900 an opportunity to everybody, including the new voters at one 852 00:23:55,900 --> 00:23:59,767 including the new voters at one uh in December 2019 uh and uh 853 00:23:59,767 --> 00:24:02,901 uh in December 2019 uh and uh it’s uh it’s a policy of them 854 00:24:02,901 --> 00:24:05,299 it’s uh it’s a policy of them holding down the pay of some 855 00:24:05,299 --> 00:24:08,267 holding down the pay of some low paid workers as you say uh 856 00:24:08,267 --> 00:24:10,999 low paid workers as you say uh hospital porters um people are 857 00:24:10,999 --> 00:24:12,567 hospital porters um people are working as uh teaching 858 00:24:12,567 --> 00:24:14,967 working as uh teaching assistant uh some of these are 859 00:24:14,967 --> 00:24:17,599 assistant uh some of these are not the most prosperous of 860 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:21,299 not the most prosperous of public uh it’s uh working. What 861 00:24:21,299 --> 00:24:22,867 public uh it’s uh working. What combination of policies they 862 00:24:22,867 --> 00:24:24,267 combination of policies they can they can manage without 863 00:24:24,267 --> 00:24:25,967 can they can manage without damaging not only the 864 00:24:25,967 --> 00:24:28,000 damaging not only the government’s general standing, 865 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,967 government’s general standing, but of course popularity well. 866 00:24:29,967 --> 00:24:30,933 but of course popularity well. Yeah. Absolutely, it’s 867 00:24:30,933 --> 00:24:31,900 Yeah. Absolutely, it’s certainly going to be a concern 868 00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:33,634 certainly going to be a concern isn’t it as of all politicians? 869 00:24:33,634 --> 00:24:35,901 isn’t it as of all politicians? Um it’s finally talk about mass 870 00:24:35,901 --> 00:24:37,399 Um it’s finally talk about mass vaccination role. uh Steve and 871 00:24:37,399 --> 00:24:38,967 vaccination role. uh Steve and I are trying to be optimistic 872 00:24:38,967 --> 00:24:40,334 I are trying to be optimistic about it. Could we vaccinate a 873 00:24:40,334 --> 00:24:41,500 about it. Could we vaccinate a million Brits They look even if 874 00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:42,933 million Brits They look even if it’s only half a million Brits 875 00:24:42,933 --> 00:24:44,301 it’s only half a million Brits a day, but that would be pretty 876 00:24:44,301 --> 00:24:45,833 a day, but that would be pretty impressive. NS recruiting 40000 877 00:24:45,833 --> 00:24:46,999 impressive. NS recruiting 40000 people. It’s not apparently we 878 00:24:46,999 --> 00:24:49,000 people. It’s not apparently we talk to GP about it this week a 879 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,599 talk to GP about it this week a a highly-skilled work giving a 880 00:24:50,599 --> 00:24:52,733 a highly-skilled work giving a simple. Three vaccines now on 881 00:24:52,733 --> 00:24:54,733 simple. Three vaccines now on the card could be rolling out 882 00:24:54,733 --> 00:24:56,334 the card could be rolling out the first one within weeks. um 883 00:24:56,334 --> 00:24:57,434 the first one within weeks. um we this, I think it’s gonna 884 00:24:57,434 --> 00:24:58,367 we this, I think it’s gonna give a lot of people hope. but 885 00:24:58,367 --> 00:24:59,367 give a lot of people hope. but at the same time we got the 886 00:24:59,367 --> 00:25:00,933 at the same time we got the prime minister, we’re told 887 00:25:00,933 --> 00:25:03,067 prime minister, we’re told battling with his uh public 888 00:25:03,067 --> 00:25:03,967 battling with his uh public health advisers about whether 889 00:25:03,967 --> 00:25:05,100 health advisers about whether or not we can have a normal 890 00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:05,800 or not we can have a normal Christmas and of course, 891 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,234 Christmas and of course, actually these decisions are 892 00:25:07,234 --> 00:25:08,766 actually these decisions are all political. It’s all about 893 00:25:08,766 --> 00:25:10,800 all political. It’s all about weighing up. You know the cost 894 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,366 weighing up. You know the cost of people not being able to 895 00:25:12,366 --> 00:25:13,167 of people not being able to celebrate people breaking the 896 00:25:13,167 --> 00:25:16,399 celebrate people breaking the law people uh people uh mixing 897 00:25:16,399 --> 00:25:17,266 law people uh people uh mixing with family and friends putting 898 00:25:17,266 --> 00:25:18,700 with family and friends putting up perhaps elderly relatives at 899 00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:20,000 up perhaps elderly relatives at risk. Um these are political 900 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,600 risk. Um these are political decisions. Ultimately, Oh, have 901 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,467 decisions. Ultimately, Oh, have we lost Matt? Oh dear. Oh, we 902 00:25:26,467 --> 00:25:27,800 we lost Matt? Oh dear. Oh, we got we got sorry. Sorry Matt. 903 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:28,834 got we got sorry. Sorry Matt. we missed the beginning. do 904 00:25:28,834 --> 00:25:31,533 we missed the beginning. do start again. Please uh yes the 905 00:25:31,533 --> 00:25:33,466 start again. Please uh yes the these are decisions made by 906 00:25:33,466 --> 00:25:35,267 these are decisions made by politicians uh advisers, advise 907 00:25:35,267 --> 00:25:37,666 politicians uh advisers, advise and ministers decide as Missus 908 00:25:37,666 --> 00:25:39,833 and ministers decide as Missus said, and uh in a sense one 909 00:25:39,833 --> 00:25:41,234 said, and uh in a sense one don’t envy the position of the 910 00:25:41,234 --> 00:25:42,567 don’t envy the position of the scientific advisers knowing 911 00:25:42,567 --> 00:25:43,966 scientific advisers knowing that they are publicly uh 912 00:25:43,966 --> 00:25:46,434 that they are publicly uh making statements which they 913 00:25:46,434 --> 00:25:48,766 making statements which they know are going to be um 914 00:25:48,766 --> 00:25:51,299 know are going to be um modified or interpreted by 915 00:25:51,299 --> 00:25:52,834 modified or interpreted by politicians who have to get the 916 00:25:52,834 --> 00:25:53,934 politicians who have to get the public to have faith in them 917 00:25:53,934 --> 00:25:56,467 public to have faith in them and comply with them. Has been 918 00:25:56,467 --> 00:25:58,734 and comply with them. Has been the problem throughout that the 919 00:25:58,734 --> 00:26:01,200 the problem throughout that the process of the various lock 920 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,767 process of the various lock downs. Uh yes, this is uh 921 00:26:03,767 --> 00:26:04,400 downs. Uh yes, this is uh presented in the press is a 922 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,334 presented in the press is a battle between the prime 923 00:26:05,334 --> 00:26:07,867 battle between the prime minister and the experts uh and 924 00:26:07,867 --> 00:26:09,799 minister and the experts uh and in the language of some of the 925 00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:11,133 in the language of some of the newspapers across the experts 926 00:26:11,133 --> 00:26:13,600 newspapers across the experts are um not necessarily a good 927 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,833 are um not necessarily a good thing. um Boris Johnson is uh 928 00:26:15,833 --> 00:26:17,301 thing. um Boris Johnson is uh in a difficult position with 929 00:26:17,301 --> 00:26:18,766 in a difficult position with his popularity with his 930 00:26:18,766 --> 00:26:20,333 his popularity with his reputation for management of 931 00:26:20,333 --> 00:26:21,900 reputation for management of the crisis and he wants to have 932 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:23,634 the crisis and he wants to have some good news and I think the 933 00:26:23,634 --> 00:26:24,400 some good news and I think the newspapers want us to have some 934 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,133 newspapers want us to have some good news. I think. See about a 935 00:26:26,133 --> 00:26:27,667 good news. I think. See about a third of the front pages are 936 00:26:27,667 --> 00:26:29,599 third of the front pages are playing the story about the 937 00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:31,500 playing the story about the vaccine being readily 938 00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:33,766 vaccine being readily available. relatively. We need 939 00:26:33,766 --> 00:26:35,467 available. relatively. We need some hope we absolutely do we 940 00:26:35,467 --> 00:26:36,267 some hope we absolutely do we have to leave it there. Matt 941 00:26:36,267 --> 00:26:37,500 have to leave it there. Matt Cole from University of 942 00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:38,766 Cole from University of Birmingham. Thank you very 943 00:26:38,766 --> 00:26:39,667 Birmingham. Thank you very much. indeed up next. We’re 944 00:26:39,667 --> 00:26:41,301 much. indeed up next. 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Talk 1053 00:29:58,367 --> 00:30:01,266 the UK online and on d. Talk Radio on the hour Headlines 1054 00:30:01,266 --> 00:30:02,833 Radio on the hour Headlines Good morning. I’m Ross Powell 1055 00:30:02,833 --> 00:30:04,799 Good morning. I’m Ross Powell on the way at seven labor calls 1056 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:06,300 on the way at seven labor calls for an explanation from Boris 1057 00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:07,767 for an explanation from Boris Johnson over the inquiry 1058 00:30:07,767 --> 00:30:09,634 Johnson over the inquiry millions of public sector 1059 00:30:09,634 --> 00:30:10,733 millions of public sector workers face a pay freeze and 1060 00:30:10,733 --> 00:30:12,500 workers face a pay freeze and Joe Biden declared victorious 1061 00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:14,400 Joe Biden declared victorious in Georgia after recap talk 1062 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,466 in Georgia after recap talk Radio The news labor is 1063 00:30:17,466 --> 00:30:18,600 Radio The news labor is demanding the inquiry into 1064 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,733 demanding the inquiry into allegations of bullying by home 1065 00:30:20,733 --> 00:30:22,434 allegations of bullying by home Secretary Patel be published as 1066 00:30:22,434 --> 00:30:23,466 Secretary Patel be published as its understood the finding show 1067 00:30:23,466 --> 00:30:25,399 its understood the finding show she broke the ministerial code. 1068 00:30:25,399 --> 00:30:26,434 she broke the ministerial code. Boris Johnson makes sense to 1069 00:30:26,434 --> 00:30:27,899 Boris Johnson makes sense to defend this Patel, however, and 1070 00:30:27,899 --> 00:30:29,266 defend this Patel, however, and it’s understood she won’t be 1071 00:30:29,266 --> 00:30:30,333 it’s understood she won’t be sacked the shadow home 1072 00:30:30,333 --> 00:30:31,200 sacked the shadow home Secretary Nick Thomas Simmons 1073 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,266 Secretary Nick Thomas Simmons is demanding an explanation. 1074 00:30:33,266 --> 00:30:34,866 is demanding an explanation. Once again with this 1075 00:30:34,866 --> 00:30:35,899 Once again with this government, it’s one rule for 1076 00:30:35,899 --> 00:30:37,634 government, it’s one rule for them and another rule for 1077 00:30:37,634 --> 00:30:38,799 them and another rule for everybody else. So yes, let’s 1078 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:41,466 everybody else. So yes, let’s see the report published info. 1079 00:30:41,466 --> 00:30:43,200 see the report published info. Let’s look at it line by line 1080 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,799 Let’s look at it line by line and let’s see the prime 1081 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:46,400 and let’s see the prime Minister and the Home secretary 1082 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,099 Minister and the Home secretary come to parliament and answer 1083 00:30:48,099 --> 00:30:49,966 come to parliament and answer these extraordinarily serious 1084 00:30:49,966 --> 00:30:51,767 these extraordinarily serious questions A cabinets office 1085 00:30:51,767 --> 00:30:52,766 questions A cabinets office investigation was launched in 1086 00:30:52,766 --> 00:30:54,333 investigation was launched in March over allegations the home 1087 00:30:54,333 --> 00:30:54,833 March over allegations the home secretary belittled colleagues 1088 00:30:54,833 --> 00:30:57,299 secretary belittled colleagues and crash for senior officials 1089 00:30:57,299 --> 00:30:58,699 and crash for senior officials claim She’s always denied 1090 00:30:58,699 --> 00:30:59,734 claim She’s always denied millions of teachers, 1091 00:30:59,734 --> 00:31:00,866 millions of teachers, firefighters and civil servants 1092 00:31:00,866 --> 00:31:02,733 firefighters and civil servants are facing a pay freeze as the. 1093 00:31:02,733 --> 00:31:03,966 are facing a pay freeze as the. Looks set to mend the financial 1094 00:31:03,966 --> 00:31:05,800 Looks set to mend the financial hit from Corona virus the time 1095 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,034 hit from Corona virus the time says those public sector 1096 00:31:07,034 --> 00:31:08,434 says those public sector workers affected won’t include 1097 00:31:08,434 --> 00:31:10,766 workers affected won’t include front line NHS workers is 1098 00:31:10,766 --> 00:31:12,267 front line NHS workers is understood that the chancellor 1099 00:31:12,267 --> 00:31:14,367 understood that the chancellor hopes the move could save 1100 00:31:14,367 --> 00:31:15,034 hopes the move could save around 2000000000 pounds, 1101 00:31:15,034 --> 00:31:17,466 around 2000000000 pounds, Deputy at the time, Steven says 1102 00:31:17,466 --> 00:31:19,034 Deputy at the time, Steven says the chancellor will be looking 1103 00:31:19,034 --> 00:31:20,300 the chancellor will be looking at what is fair for the whole 1104 00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:21,466 at what is fair for the whole workforce. We are going through 1105 00:31:21,466 --> 00:31:23,466 workforce. We are going through a period where predominantly 1106 00:31:23,466 --> 00:31:24,367 a period where predominantly private sector workers are 1107 00:31:24,367 --> 00:31:26,367 private sector workers are going to be losing their jobs 1108 00:31:26,367 --> 00:31:29,466 going to be losing their jobs or facing pay cuts and soon is 1109 00:31:29,466 --> 00:31:30,699 or facing pay cuts and soon is asking the question is it fair 1110 00:31:30,699 --> 00:31:33,899 asking the question is it fair that during that period? Public 1111 00:31:33,899 --> 00:31:35,034 that during that period? Public you get a pay rise, He doesn’t 1112 00:31:35,034 --> 00:31:36,699 you get a pay rise, He doesn’t think it is given that they’ve 1113 00:31:36,699 --> 00:31:39,000 think it is given that they’ve got their own good money. They 1114 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:39,966 got their own good money. They get more generous pensions. 1115 00:31:39,966 --> 00:31:41,866 get more generous pensions. They are better job stability 1116 00:31:41,866 --> 00:31:42,833 They are better job stability so he is looking at a pay 1117 00:31:42,833 --> 00:31:44,434 so he is looking at a pay freeze for those public 1118 00:31:44,434 --> 00:31:45,966 freeze for those public workers. it suggested people 1119 00:31:45,966 --> 00:31:47,034 workers. it suggested people infected with Corona virus are 1120 00:31:47,034 --> 00:31:48,400 infected with Corona virus are most likely to be highly 1121 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,899 most likely to be highly infectious in the first week 1122 00:31:49,899 --> 00:31:51,767 infectious in the first week after symptoms appear. experts 1123 00:31:51,767 --> 00:31:52,400 after symptoms appear. experts say this highlights the need to 1124 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,000 say this highlights the need to identify an isolate cases as 1125 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,767 identify an isolate cases as early as possible. They also 1126 00:31:55,767 --> 00:31:56,699 early as possible. They also want to raise public awareness 1127 00:31:56,699 --> 00:31:58,266 want to raise public awareness of the range of Simpsons linked 1128 00:31:58,266 --> 00:31:59,899 of the range of Simpsons linked to the virus that occur in the 1129 00:31:59,899 --> 00:32:01,899 to the virus that occur in the early stages. Eleven council. 1130 00:32:01,899 --> 00:32:02,833 early stages. Eleven council. In Scotland are being placed 1131 00:32:02,833 --> 00:32:04,400 In Scotland are being placed into its toughest coronavirus 1132 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,767 into its toughest coronavirus restrictions from 6 o’clock 1133 00:32:05,767 --> 00:32:08,000 restrictions from 6 o’clock tonight, Glasgow sterling, much 1134 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,966 tonight, Glasgow sterling, much of and parts of among the air 1135 00:32:09,966 --> 00:32:11,299 of and parts of among the air is being placed into level four 1136 00:32:11,299 --> 00:32:13,100 is being placed into level four and election officials in 1137 00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:13,799 and election officials in Georgia have confirmed that Joe 1138 00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:15,466 Georgia have confirmed that Joe Biden’s victory in the states 1139 00:32:15,466 --> 00:32:16,600 Biden’s victory in the states followed a following a full 1140 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,099 followed a following a full hand recount of ballots around 1141 00:32:18,099 --> 00:32:20,333 hand recount of ballots around 5000000 votes were reexamine. 1142 00:32:20,333 --> 00:32:21,466 5000000 votes were reexamine. Meanwhile, President Donald 1143 00:32:21,466 --> 00:32:22,266 Meanwhile, President Donald Trump is to seek a partial 1144 00:32:22,266 --> 00:32:23,466 Trump is to seek a partial recount of votes in the state 1145 00:32:23,466 --> 00:32:24,866 recount of votes in the state of Wisconsin, which is rival 1146 00:32:24,866 --> 00:32:27,634 of Wisconsin, which is rival Joe Biden is projected to win 1147 00:32:27,634 --> 00:32:29,634 Joe Biden is projected to win by 20000 talk Radio national 1148 00:32:29,634 --> 00:32:31,634 by 20000 talk Radio national weather some heavy rain. To 1149 00:32:31,634 --> 00:32:32,434 weather some heavy rain. 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Radio 1171 00:33:17,299 --> 00:33:19,800 and on your smartphone. Radio Julia Hartley brewer at 1172 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,634 Julia Hartley brewer at Breakfast on Talk Radio Good 1173 00:33:21,634 --> 00:33:23,933 Breakfast on Talk Radio Good morning to you This is 1174 00:33:23,933 --> 00:33:24,800 morning to you This is breakfast with me Julia on 1175 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,267 breakfast with me Julia on Friday the nineteenth of 1176 00:33:26,267 --> 00:33:27,299 Friday the nineteenth of November you’re listening to 1177 00:33:27,299 --> 00:33:28,967 November you’re listening to breakfast. It’s not for the 1178 00:33:28,967 --> 00:33:30,500 breakfast. It’s not for the 20s. We got I’ve got pieces of 1179 00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:31,700 20s. We got I’ve got pieces of paper with the wrong day and 1180 00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:33,567 paper with the wrong day and the uh wrong day on and don’t 1181 00:33:33,567 --> 00:33:35,533 the uh wrong day on and don’t forget you can watch the show 1182 00:33:35,533 --> 00:33:36,767 forget you can watch the show live. It is Friday guys. It is 1183 00:33:36,767 --> 00:33:37,799 live. It is Friday guys. It is Friday. Watch the show Live. We 1184 00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:39,833 Friday. Watch the show Live. We are streaming on YouTube, 1185 00:33:39,833 --> 00:33:41,399 are streaming on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter coming up 1186 00:33:41,399 --> 00:33:44,000 Facebook and Twitter coming up at nearly 4000000 public sector 1187 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,299 at nearly 4000000 public sector workers, including soldiers, 1188 00:33:45,299 --> 00:33:46,567 workers, including soldiers, police officers, teachers and 1189 00:33:46,567 --> 00:33:48,767 police officers, teachers and civil service face a pay if a 1190 00:33:48,767 --> 00:33:49,700 civil service face a pay if a from next year to help repair 1191 00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:52,533 from next year to help repair the nation’s fine. After 1192 00:33:52,533 --> 00:33:53,834 the nation’s fine. After coronavirus be a chance to will 1193 00:33:53,834 --> 00:33:54,967 coronavirus be a chance to will use his comprehensive spending 1194 00:33:54,967 --> 00:33:56,533 use his comprehensive spending review next week to announce 1195 00:33:56,533 --> 00:33:57,133 review next week to announce there must be pay restraint, 1196 00:33:57,133 --> 00:33:58,933 there must be pay restraint, saying it’s only fair that 1197 00:33:58,933 --> 00:34:00,267 saying it’s only fair that public sector wages are frozen 1198 00:34:00,267 --> 00:34:00,967 public sector wages are frozen where many of those in the 1199 00:34:00,967 --> 00:34:02,999 where many of those in the private sector face significant 1200 00:34:02,999 --> 00:34:04,900 private sector face significant pay cuts or job losses. Also an 1201 00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:06,234 pay cuts or job losses. Also an official inquiries will 1202 00:34:06,234 --> 00:34:07,267 official inquiries will included that home Secretary 1203 00:34:07,267 --> 00:34:08,999 included that home Secretary Patel did break the ministerial 1204 00:34:08,999 --> 00:34:11,467 Patel did break the ministerial code by bullying civil servants 1205 00:34:11,467 --> 00:34:12,900 code by bullying civil servants and investigations found she 1206 00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:13,800 and investigations found she had not always met the high 1207 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,767 had not always met the high standards required administers, 1208 00:34:15,767 --> 00:34:16,999 standards required administers, but we understand Boris Johnson 1209 00:34:16,999 --> 00:34:19,533 but we understand Boris Johnson is going to stand by and up to 1210 00:34:19,533 --> 00:34:21,700 is going to stand by and up to 1000000 Brits. Day could be 1211 00:34:21,700 --> 00:34:23,301 1000000 Brits. Day could be vaccinated against covet in a 1212 00:34:23,301 --> 00:34:24,567 vaccinated against covet in a record-breaking push to beat 1213 00:34:24,567 --> 00:34:26,367 record-breaking push to beat the virus. The NHS is poised to 1214 00:34:26,367 --> 00:34:29,000 the virus. The NHS is poised to recruit more than 40000 extra 1215 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,433 recruit more than 40000 extra workers to run out the job with 1216 00:34:30,433 --> 00:34:32,267 workers to run out the job with vaccine maker Fir expecting 1217 00:34:32,267 --> 00:34:36,900 vaccine maker Fir expecting approval within days plus. 1218 00:34:38,766 --> 00:34:41,799 Go. 1219 00:34:42,267 --> 00:34:44,767 For Christmas, She one of the 1220 00:34:44,767 --> 00:34:46,000 For Christmas, She one of the nation’s favorite Christmas 1221 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:46,733 nation’s favorite Christmas songs Fairy Tale of New York by 1222 00:34:46,733 --> 00:34:48,200 songs Fairy Tale of New York by the PS, Be edited because of 1223 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,800 the PS, Be edited because of his potentially offensive 1224 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,567 his potentially offensive lyrics. I think we all know the 1225 00:34:51,567 --> 00:34:53,000 lyrics. I think we all know the answer to that. it’s no7 1226 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,399 answer to that. it’s no7 minutes past seven is the time 1227 00:34:55,399 --> 00:34:56,800 minutes past seven is the time this is talk. Radio Julia 1228 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,967 this is talk. Radio Julia Hartley brewer at breakfast on 1229 00:34:59,967 --> 00:35:01,966 Hartley brewer at breakfast on Talk Radio Good morning to you. 1230 00:35:01,966 --> 00:35:02,733 Talk Radio Good morning to you. This is breakfast. I promise 1231 00:35:02,733 --> 00:35:03,967 This is breakfast. I promise you it is Friday. It is the 1232 00:35:03,967 --> 00:35:05,866 you it is Friday. It is the twentieth. honestly we’re we 1233 00:35:05,866 --> 00:35:06,634 twentieth. honestly we’re we are getting through this month 1234 00:35:06,634 --> 00:35:07,599 are getting through this month folks although cuz we’re 1235 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:08,999 folks although cuz we’re getting to this month to get to 1236 00:35:08,999 --> 00:35:09,834 getting to this month to get to the second of December cuz 1237 00:35:09,834 --> 00:35:10,500 the second of December cuz everything’s gonna be fine on 1238 00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:11,700 everything’s gonna be fine on the second of December, no, 1239 00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:13,167 the second of December, no, it’s not we’re gonna be in the 1240 00:35:13,167 --> 00:35:14,334 it’s not we’re gonna be in the lock down again in all but name 1241 00:35:14,334 --> 00:35:16,367 lock down again in all but name and we will be lesser until 1242 00:35:16,367 --> 00:35:19,767 and we will be lesser until people say no. This we will not 1243 00:35:19,767 --> 00:35:21,900 people say no. This we will not put more uh that is the reality 1244 00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:23,500 put more uh that is the reality well uh one of the reasons why 1245 00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:25,867 well uh one of the reasons why we are uh with the lock down, 1246 00:35:25,867 --> 00:35:26,267 we are uh with the lock down, although all the financial 1247 00:35:26,267 --> 00:35:27,634 although all the financial pressures that brings on so 1248 00:35:27,634 --> 00:35:29,100 pressures that brings on so many businesses means that our 1249 00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:31,634 many businesses means that our public sector finances are in a 1250 00:35:31,634 --> 00:35:33,067 public sector finances are in a terrible state and that is why 1251 00:35:33,067 --> 00:35:34,633 terrible state and that is why we are going to see some pretty 1252 00:35:34,633 --> 00:35:35,800 we are going to see some pretty scary announcements from the 1253 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,800 scary announcements from the chance to issue an act next 1254 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:38,434 chance to issue an act next week. He’s going to be 1255 00:35:38,434 --> 00:35:39,766 week. He’s going to be announcing a public sector pay 1256 00:35:39,766 --> 00:35:41,767 announcing a public sector pay freezes for some four or 1257 00:35:41,767 --> 00:35:44,000 freezes for some four or 5000000 uh public sector staff, 1258 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,799 5000000 uh public sector staff, not NS, doctors and nurses uh 1259 00:35:45,799 --> 00:35:48,766 not NS, doctors and nurses uh but pretty much every. Else as 1260 00:35:48,766 --> 00:35:50,334 but pretty much every. Else as a way of saving some cash well 1261 00:35:50,334 --> 00:35:51,667 a way of saving some cash well joining me to discuss all of 1262 00:35:51,667 --> 00:35:53,133 joining me to discuss all of this and all the other stories 1263 00:35:53,133 --> 00:35:53,834 this and all the other stories this morning is Steve and he’s 1264 00:35:53,834 --> 00:35:55,533 this morning is Steve and he’s a comedian and former chemist 1265 00:35:55,533 --> 00:35:56,100 a comedian and former chemist uh Steve we’ve just discussing 1266 00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:57,299 uh Steve we’ve just discussing a little bit earlier that you 1267 00:35:57,299 --> 00:35:59,267 a little bit earlier that you know the reality is even in the 1268 00:35:59,267 --> 00:36:00,000 know the reality is even in the private sector have born the 1269 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,500 private sector have born the brunt of this so far uh public 1270 00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:04,734 brunt of this so far uh public sector, you know not on Flo not 1271 00:36:04,734 --> 00:36:06,634 sector, you know not on Flo not uh not losing their jobs um and 1272 00:36:06,634 --> 00:36:08,800 uh not losing their jobs um and you know many working from home 1273 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,301 you know many working from home um for a lot of people. I mean 1274 00:36:10,301 --> 00:36:11,934 um for a lot of people. I mean not just not the front line NS 1275 00:36:11,934 --> 00:36:13,399 not just not the front line NS staff but for an awful lot of 1276 00:36:13,399 --> 00:36:14,334 staff but for an awful lot of other public sector workers, 1277 00:36:14,334 --> 00:36:15,434 other public sector workers, this is not been a bad year at 1278 00:36:15,434 --> 00:36:18,634 this is not been a bad year at all. Well, I’d still imagine 1279 00:36:18,634 --> 00:36:20,767 all. Well, I’d still imagine it’s you know it’s not 1280 00:36:20,767 --> 00:36:22,334 it’s you know it’s not necessarily a great year just 1281 00:36:22,334 --> 00:36:23,967 necessarily a great year just because you didn’t get a job. 1282 00:36:23,967 --> 00:36:26,200 because you didn’t get a job. but yes, I mean, yeah, I guess 1283 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,967 but yes, I mean, yeah, I guess except that is a no yes, but 1284 00:36:27,967 --> 00:36:29,467 except that is a no yes, but for me, Yeah, from my point of 1285 00:36:29,467 --> 00:36:31,300 for me, Yeah, from my point of view from a um self employed 1286 00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:32,800 view from a um self employed person. Yes, you’re right. I 1287 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,634 person. Yes, you’re right. I look on with envious at the 1288 00:36:34,634 --> 00:36:36,000 look on with envious at the concept of simply just keeping 1289 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,533 concept of simply just keeping the same amount of money coming 1290 00:36:37,533 --> 00:36:38,467 the same amount of money coming in that you did the year 1291 00:36:38,467 --> 00:36:40,867 in that you did the year before, but yeah, I’d I’d it 1292 00:36:40,867 --> 00:36:42,533 before, but yeah, I’d I’d it does play a little oddly. I 1293 00:36:42,533 --> 00:36:43,800 does play a little oddly. I mean, maybe just maybe this 1294 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:44,733 mean, maybe just maybe this isn’t the time to do it not 1295 00:36:44,733 --> 00:36:46,000 isn’t the time to do it not only because you got the bad pr 1296 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,000 only because you got the bad pr of. Numbers being almost the 1297 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,200 of. Numbers being almost the same that will be spent on 1298 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,067 same that will be spent on increase in defense, which 1299 00:36:51,067 --> 00:36:52,133 increase in defense, which again maybe next year would 1300 00:36:52,133 --> 00:36:54,299 again maybe next year would have been a better time to do 1301 00:36:54,299 --> 00:36:55,767 have been a better time to do it, but having it 2 days 1302 00:36:55,767 --> 00:36:56,599 it, but having it 2 days separated in the news does make 1303 00:36:56,599 --> 00:36:58,533 separated in the news does make it look even more heartless 1304 00:36:58,533 --> 00:37:00,434 it look even more heartless like they did that they’re not 1305 00:37:00,434 --> 00:37:02,434 like they did that they’re not being prioritized. Yes, I mean, 1306 00:37:02,434 --> 00:37:03,399 being prioritized. Yes, I mean, that’s the thing. Yes. I think 1307 00:37:03,399 --> 00:37:05,334 that’s the thing. Yes. I think we again once we once we’re 1308 00:37:05,334 --> 00:37:06,899 we again once we once we’re back to the older bad media 1309 00:37:06,899 --> 00:37:08,334 back to the older bad media management issue aren’t we uh 1310 00:37:08,334 --> 00:37:09,834 management issue aren’t we uh well let’s talk about where we 1311 00:37:09,834 --> 00:37:11,933 well let’s talk about where we are with our public finances 1312 00:37:11,933 --> 00:37:13,500 are with our public finances and where we are with the uh 1313 00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:14,333 and where we are with the uh the possibility of what’s gonna 1314 00:37:14,333 --> 00:37:15,266 the possibility of what’s gonna be announced next week by the 1315 00:37:15,266 --> 00:37:17,300 be announced next week by the chance. Now, it’s John Simpson, 1316 00:37:17,300 --> 00:37:18,799 chance. Now, it’s John Simpson, He’s research director at the 1317 00:37:18,799 --> 00:37:20,000 He’s research director at the Taxpayers Alliance Good morning 1318 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,133 Taxpayers Alliance Good morning to Duncan Good morning. Um I 1319 00:37:22,133 --> 00:37:24,400 to Duncan Good morning. Um I mean III don’t want anyone to 1320 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,500 mean III don’t want anyone to lose that be lovely if everyone 1321 00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:26,066 lose that be lovely if everyone can have a pay rise and 1322 00:37:26,066 --> 00:37:27,867 can have a pay rise and everyone could be doing well. 1323 00:37:27,867 --> 00:37:28,467 everyone could be doing well. Everyone keep their job reality 1324 00:37:28,467 --> 00:37:29,933 Everyone keep their job reality is as long what’s happening? we 1325 00:37:29,933 --> 00:37:31,900 is as long what’s happening? we know uh millions of people on 1326 00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:33,366 know uh millions of people on fur skin 80% of their pay even 1327 00:37:33,366 --> 00:37:34,133 fur skin 80% of their pay even less for a lot of them over the 1328 00:37:34,133 --> 00:37:36,033 less for a lot of them over the last few months, uh many people 1329 00:37:36,033 --> 00:37:37,800 last few months, uh many people many more affect uh probably 1330 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:38,934 many more affect uh probably expecting to lose their jobs if 1331 00:37:38,934 --> 00:37:40,467 expecting to lose their jobs if you’re in the private sect to 1332 00:37:40,467 --> 00:37:41,634 you’re in the private sect to your chances of a pay rise in 1333 00:37:41,634 --> 00:37:42,967 your chances of a pay rise in the coming years of virtue zero 1334 00:37:42,967 --> 00:37:45,301 the coming years of virtue zero is it only fair that the public 1335 00:37:45,301 --> 00:37:46,999 is it only fair that the public sector shares some of the pain 1336 00:37:46,999 --> 00:37:49,467 sector shares some of the pain I’ve I. It is frankly uh and 1337 00:37:49,467 --> 00:37:50,066 I’ve I. It is frankly uh and you know Bear in mind as you 1338 00:37:50,066 --> 00:37:52,599 you know Bear in mind as you said about a third of um public 1339 00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:53,799 said about a third of um public sector employees will indeed 1340 00:37:53,799 --> 00:37:54,734 sector employees will indeed getting a pay raise next year 1341 00:37:54,734 --> 00:37:56,133 getting a pay raise next year because that’s employment in 1342 00:37:56,133 --> 00:37:58,934 because that’s employment in the in the NS and his various 1343 00:37:58,934 --> 00:38:00,634 the in the NS and his various um so it is that’s a hectic. I 1344 00:38:00,634 --> 00:38:01,834 um so it is that’s a hectic. I think over 3000000 people, I 1345 00:38:01,834 --> 00:38:02,933 think over 3000000 people, I think the ifs their estimate is 1346 00:38:02,933 --> 00:38:04,334 think the ifs their estimate is that it’s gonna be saving in 1347 00:38:04,334 --> 00:38:05,799 that it’s gonna be saving in excessive 3000000000 pounds a 1348 00:38:05,799 --> 00:38:07,767 excessive 3000000000 pounds a year so it is it is a you know 1349 00:38:07,767 --> 00:38:09,634 year so it is it is a you know a big chunk of cash, which the 1350 00:38:09,634 --> 00:38:10,967 a big chunk of cash, which the government is gonna be saving 1351 00:38:10,967 --> 00:38:12,000 government is gonna be saving all this, but you know do bear 1352 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,600 all this, but you know do bear in mind that many people in the 1353 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,034 in mind that many people in the public sector for years have 1354 00:38:15,034 --> 00:38:16,133 public sector for years have had a very generous situation 1355 00:38:16,133 --> 00:38:17,967 had a very generous situation so the earnings premium that is 1356 00:38:17,967 --> 00:38:20,767 so the earnings premium that is a much more to pay benefits. Of 1357 00:38:20,767 --> 00:38:21,900 a much more to pay benefits. Of course, tensions is about 7% 1358 00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:23,233 course, tensions is about 7% higher than it is for those 1359 00:38:23,233 --> 00:38:24,767 higher than it is for those that those in the private 1360 00:38:24,767 --> 00:38:25,834 that those in the private sector there are the Gus has 1361 00:38:25,834 --> 00:38:26,567 sector there are the Gus has narrowed and what the recent 1362 00:38:26,567 --> 00:38:28,867 narrowed and what the recent years but it is a huge 1363 00:38:28,867 --> 00:38:30,333 years but it is a huge advantage to be to not be 1364 00:38:30,333 --> 00:38:33,033 advantage to be to not be losing the job and and healthy 1365 00:38:33,033 --> 00:38:34,267 losing the job and and healthy well. I haven’t the secure 1366 00:38:34,267 --> 00:38:35,600 well. I haven’t the secure employment being a crucial 1367 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,067 employment being a crucial aspect as you say, and now you 1368 00:38:37,067 --> 00:38:38,000 aspect as you say, and now you know the boss, I think the 1369 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,233 know the boss, I think the average public sector we talk 1370 00:38:40,233 --> 00:38:41,933 average public sector we talk about this sort of gold plated 1371 00:38:41,933 --> 00:38:43,700 about this sort of gold plated uh pensions, but yeah for some 1372 00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:44,800 uh pensions, but yeah for some people who are you know, 1373 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,234 people who are you know, consultants and they’re like in 1374 00:38:46,234 --> 00:38:47,300 consultants and they’re like in the NS High-level civil 1375 00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:48,234 the NS High-level civil service, but only the average 1376 00:38:48,234 --> 00:38:50,467 service, but only the average public sector pension. Actually 1377 00:38:50,467 --> 00:38:51,500 public sector pension. Actually the reason about eight grand a 1378 00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:52,767 the reason about eight grand a year, We’re not talking about 1379 00:38:52,767 --> 00:38:54,133 year, We’re not talking about big money, but it’s also a lot 1380 00:38:54,133 --> 00:38:54,934 big money, but it’s also a lot of people like police officers 1381 00:38:54,934 --> 00:38:56,099 of people like police officers got frenzy police officers 1382 00:38:56,099 --> 00:38:57,767 got frenzy police officers talking about when they retire 1383 00:38:57,767 --> 00:39:00,000 talking about when they retire in their 50s. Yeah chance to be 1384 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,100 in their 50s. Yeah chance to be a fine things most of the 1385 00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:02,467 a fine things most of the private sector uh and in terms 1386 00:39:02,467 --> 00:39:03,833 private sector uh and in terms of that, and this is the thing 1387 00:39:03,833 --> 00:39:04,999 of that, and this is the thing what we always have this idea 1388 00:39:04,999 --> 00:39:06,099 what we always have this idea with the public sex. We’re very 1389 00:39:06,099 --> 00:39:06,700 with the public sex. We’re very very low paid compared to 1390 00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:08,133 very low paid compared to private sector that is simply 1391 00:39:08,133 --> 00:39:10,000 private sector that is simply not the case and even when we 1392 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,767 not the case and even when we look at what happened with 1393 00:39:11,767 --> 00:39:13,800 look at what happened with austerity twenty tens public 1394 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,667 austerity twenty tens public sector were already earning 1395 00:39:15,667 --> 00:39:16,734 sector were already earning more, you you know for this 1396 00:39:16,734 --> 00:39:18,133 more, you you know for this level jobs equivalent level of 1397 00:39:18,133 --> 00:39:19,734 level jobs equivalent level of qualifications, earning more. 1398 00:39:19,734 --> 00:39:21,067 qualifications, earning more. Than people in the private 1399 00:39:21,067 --> 00:39:22,366 Than people in the private sector um and I suppose to a 1400 00:39:22,366 --> 00:39:23,800 sector um and I suppose to a lot of people say this just 1401 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,133 lot of people say this just feels like well, you know it’s 1402 00:39:25,133 --> 00:39:27,667 feels like well, you know it’s not about leveling down phrase 1403 00:39:27,667 --> 00:39:29,467 not about leveling down phrase Steve Allen used but it is just 1404 00:39:29,467 --> 00:39:32,800 Steve Allen used but it is just about sharing out the cost of 1405 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,700 about sharing out the cost of running the country. Yeah, It’s 1406 00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:36,000 running the country. Yeah, It’s it, it seems a pretty pretty 1407 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,767 it, it seems a pretty pretty thing to do um and you’re 1408 00:39:37,767 --> 00:39:38,834 thing to do um and you’re changing my mind that a lot of 1409 00:39:38,834 --> 00:39:39,700 changing my mind that a lot of people who are who are 1410 00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:41,167 people who are who are currently on fur or similar 1411 00:39:41,167 --> 00:39:41,900 currently on fur or similar government schemes, whether 1412 00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:43,434 government schemes, whether they’re going back to jobs uh 1413 00:39:43,434 --> 00:39:44,000 they’re going back to jobs uh in a few months time. 1414 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:44,800 in a few months time. Ultimately, you know the 1415 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,334 Ultimately, you know the closures which enforced by the 1416 00:39:46,334 --> 00:39:47,500 closures which enforced by the government, you know it was 1417 00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:48,234 government, you know it was correct for the government to 1418 00:39:48,234 --> 00:39:49,034 correct for the government to have some compensation to 1419 00:39:49,034 --> 00:39:50,967 have some compensation to businesses and individuals. If 1420 00:39:50,967 --> 00:39:52,533 businesses and individuals. If your place of work, you know 1421 00:39:52,533 --> 00:39:55,034 your place of work, you know can’t function um, but you know 1422 00:39:55,034 --> 00:39:57,399 can’t function um, but you know a lot of the absolute disaster, 1423 00:39:57,399 --> 00:39:58,533 a lot of the absolute disaster, which a lot of fans 1424 00:39:58,533 --> 00:39:59,800 which a lot of fans particularly in hospitality are 1425 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,300 particularly in hospitality are currently facing and that was 1426 00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:03,167 currently facing and that was through the action of the 1427 00:40:03,167 --> 00:40:04,301 through the action of the government, which have been 1428 00:40:04,301 --> 00:40:04,999 government, which have been compensated towards this. so 1429 00:40:04,999 --> 00:40:06,799 compensated towards this. so you know it is entirely fair 1430 00:40:06,799 --> 00:40:07,634 you know it is entirely fair that a lot of these private 1431 00:40:07,634 --> 00:40:09,700 that a lot of these private sector firms um will will look 1432 00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:10,999 sector firms um will will look upon this and we’ll see this is 1433 00:40:10,999 --> 00:40:12,100 upon this and we’ll see this is quite a reasonable step, you 1434 00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:13,366 quite a reasonable step, you know and another thing to 1435 00:40:13,366 --> 00:40:15,899 know and another thing to consider as well. I mean a huge 1436 00:40:15,899 --> 00:40:16,533 consider as well. I mean a huge liability for government if 1437 00:40:16,533 --> 00:40:17,834 liability for government if there are trillions of pounds 1438 00:40:17,834 --> 00:40:19,867 there are trillions of pounds in both the state pension and 1439 00:40:19,867 --> 00:40:21,434 in both the state pension and public sector public sector 1440 00:40:21,434 --> 00:40:22,300 public sector public sector schemes bear in mind, I don’t 1441 00:40:22,300 --> 00:40:23,599 schemes bear in mind, I don’t think there is a single 1442 00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:25,900 think there is a single footing. Hundred firm, which 1443 00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:27,766 footing. Hundred firm, which still has open a defined 1444 00:40:27,766 --> 00:40:29,267 still has open a defined benefit pension scheme to new 1445 00:40:29,267 --> 00:40:30,767 benefit pension scheme to new employees. that’s his final 1446 00:40:30,767 --> 00:40:32,000 employees. that’s his final salary or just for you know 1447 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,299 salary or just for you know exactly what you’re going to 1448 00:40:33,299 --> 00:40:34,033 exactly what you’re going to get. Yeah. I mean, I mean 1449 00:40:34,033 --> 00:40:35,967 get. Yeah. I mean, I mean that’s virtually unheard of I 1450 00:40:35,967 --> 00:40:37,333 that’s virtually unheard of I can remember I can remember 1451 00:40:37,333 --> 00:40:38,133 can remember I can remember briefly being enrolled in one 1452 00:40:38,133 --> 00:40:41,334 briefly being enrolled in one of those gosh about 1520 years 1453 00:40:41,334 --> 00:40:42,234 of those gosh about 1520 years ago, they disappeared a long 1454 00:40:42,234 --> 00:40:44,000 ago, they disappeared a long time by the way so, but this is 1455 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:44,667 time by the way so, but this is been an awful lot of those 1456 00:40:44,667 --> 00:40:45,933 been an awful lot of those pension liabilities. They’re 1457 00:40:45,933 --> 00:40:47,834 pension liabilities. They’re not they’re not funded. Are I 1458 00:40:47,834 --> 00:40:49,299 not they’re not funded. Are I mean that there isn’t the money 1459 00:40:49,299 --> 00:40:50,767 mean that there isn’t the money available? We we’re gonna be 1460 00:40:50,767 --> 00:40:51,967 available? We we’re gonna be borrowing for goodness knows 1461 00:40:51,967 --> 00:40:53,933 borrowing for goodness knows how many years to pay those 1462 00:40:53,933 --> 00:40:55,800 how many years to pay those pension deals. Yeah correct. I 1463 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:56,334 pension deals. Yeah correct. I mean, I think the I think I 1464 00:40:56,334 --> 00:40:57,567 mean, I think the I think I think basically local there is 1465 00:40:57,567 --> 00:40:58,300 think basically local there is a funded scheme. so obviously 1466 00:40:58,300 --> 00:40:59,867 a funded scheme. so obviously it’s derive from uh taxation. 1467 00:40:59,867 --> 00:41:02,000 it’s derive from uh taxation. There are funds managing assets 1468 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:02,999 There are funds managing assets and so forth, but basically 1469 00:41:02,999 --> 00:41:04,567 and so forth, but basically basically you are are correct 1470 00:41:04,567 --> 00:41:05,899 basically you are are correct it is derived from uh future 1471 00:41:05,899 --> 00:41:08,000 it is derived from uh future taxation liabilities upon all 1472 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,800 taxation liabilities upon all of us for generations ahead of 1473 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,233 of us for generations ahead of us um and that’s that’s that’s 1474 00:41:11,233 --> 00:41:12,433 us um and that’s that’s that’s important aspects and you see 1475 00:41:12,433 --> 00:41:13,767 important aspects and you see you know universities. for 1476 00:41:13,767 --> 00:41:15,034 you know universities. for example, the university sector 1477 00:41:15,034 --> 00:41:16,267 example, the university sector got a bit of a cheek uh for 1478 00:41:16,267 --> 00:41:17,567 got a bit of a cheek uh for electricity going out and 1479 00:41:17,567 --> 00:41:18,999 electricity going out and complaining about their um. 1480 00:41:18,999 --> 00:41:20,000 complaining about their um. apparently you know inadequate 1481 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,334 apparently you know inadequate pension scheme while you know 1482 00:41:21,334 --> 00:41:22,000 pension scheme while you know quite a few of their students 1483 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,900 quite a few of their students are suffering at the moment, I 1484 00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:25,500 are suffering at the moment, I mean university is complete 1485 00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:26,033 mean university is complete basket case the university 1486 00:41:26,033 --> 00:41:27,566 basket case the university suspension scheme, so we’re 1487 00:41:27,566 --> 00:41:28,367 suspension scheme, so we’re seeing more and more of these 1488 00:41:28,367 --> 00:41:29,933 seeing more and more of these stories crop up. Really 1489 00:41:29,933 --> 00:41:31,200 stories crop up. Really important that when people 1490 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:31,934 important that when people think about what is likely to 1491 00:41:31,934 --> 00:41:33,334 think about what is likely to be announced by the chance next 1492 00:41:33,334 --> 00:41:35,333 be announced by the chance next week um with these uh pay 1493 00:41:35,333 --> 00:41:36,467 week um with these uh pay freezes do bear in mind that 1494 00:41:36,467 --> 00:41:37,567 freezes do bear in mind that your pension, which is 1495 00:41:37,567 --> 00:41:38,700 your pension, which is ultimately just the third 1496 00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:39,467 ultimately just the third salary, is incredibly generous 1497 00:41:39,467 --> 00:41:41,634 salary, is incredibly generous in the public sector for those 1498 00:41:41,634 --> 00:41:42,399 in the public sector for those in the private sector, you 1499 00:41:42,399 --> 00:41:43,467 in the private sector, you don’t have um I think a lot of 1500 00:41:43,467 --> 00:41:45,399 don’t have um I think a lot of people would be really 1501 00:41:45,399 --> 00:41:46,000 people would be really surprised to know that we in 1502 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,299 surprised to know that we in terms of the breakdown of the 1503 00:41:47,299 --> 00:41:49,667 terms of the breakdown of the public sector and the private 1504 00:41:49,667 --> 00:41:50,799 public sector and the private sector in this country. Um 1505 00:41:50,799 --> 00:41:52,834 sector in this country. Um yeah, I think we hear so much 1506 00:41:52,834 --> 00:41:54,133 yeah, I think we hear so much about public. so we hear you’re 1507 00:41:54,133 --> 00:41:55,400 about public. so we hear you’re hearing often, especially when 1508 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,067 hearing often, especially when we talk about pay because these 1509 00:41:57,067 --> 00:41:58,267 we talk about pay because these are nationwide deals when it 1510 00:41:58,267 --> 00:42:01,933 are nationwide deals when it comes to. The NS, or police 1511 00:42:01,933 --> 00:42:03,200 comes to. The NS, or police officers, or anything like 1512 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,034 officers, or anything like that, it’s very different, 1513 00:42:05,034 --> 00:42:06,767 that, it’s very different, isn’t it from when individual 1514 00:42:06,767 --> 00:42:07,667 isn’t it from when individual people working for small and 1515 00:42:07,667 --> 00:42:08,867 people working for small and medium-sized enterprises and 1516 00:42:08,867 --> 00:42:10,133 medium-sized enterprises and negotiating their pay in the 1517 00:42:10,133 --> 00:42:11,300 negotiating their pay in the same way that we don’t care 1518 00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:12,500 same way that we don’t care about their pay freezes or 1519 00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:14,767 about their pay freezes or their job losses or their 1520 00:42:14,767 --> 00:42:16,399 their job losses or their pension deals being changed. Uh 1521 00:42:16,399 --> 00:42:16,999 pension deals being changed. Uh we we just don’t hear about 1522 00:42:16,999 --> 00:42:17,899 we we just don’t hear about them because there are so many 1523 00:42:17,899 --> 00:42:19,434 them because there are so many millions of people in the 1524 00:42:19,434 --> 00:42:20,467 millions of people in the individual companies we just 1525 00:42:20,467 --> 00:42:21,800 individual companies we just maybe ten people or 100 people 1526 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,634 maybe ten people or 100 people in but only sixteen and a half 1527 00:42:23,634 --> 00:42:25,067 in but only sixteen and a half percent of those who work over 1528 00:42:25,067 --> 00:42:26,599 percent of those who work over your working age in this 1529 00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:27,399 your working age in this country work in the public 1530 00:42:27,399 --> 00:42:29,100 country work in the public sector, but we have. Such a 1531 00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:30,500 sector, but we have. Such a focus and we know we know that 1532 00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:32,200 focus and we know we know that a lot of those people have been 1533 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:32,800 a lot of those people have been key work. they’ve been doing 1534 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,533 key work. they’ve been doing amazing front line front uh 1535 00:42:34,533 --> 00:42:35,900 amazing front line front uh during the pandemic and do 1536 00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:36,967 during the pandemic and do every year and let’s not 1537 00:42:36,967 --> 00:42:37,766 every year and let’s not pretend that a lot of those 1538 00:42:37,766 --> 00:42:38,334 pretend that a lot of those jobs are really easy. You know 1539 00:42:38,334 --> 00:42:40,399 jobs are really easy. You know he’d want to be an ambulance uh 1540 00:42:40,399 --> 00:42:41,367 he’d want to be an ambulance uh worker for instance, so you 1541 00:42:41,367 --> 00:42:43,533 worker for instance, so you know I don’t on a Friday night 1542 00:42:43,533 --> 00:42:44,934 know I don’t on a Friday night with the drugs and the abuse of 1543 00:42:44,934 --> 00:42:47,334 with the drugs and the abuse of I mean these people do amazing 1544 00:42:47,334 --> 00:42:48,766 I mean these people do amazing but I think there’s been a real 1545 00:42:48,766 --> 00:42:50,334 but I think there’s been a real um understanding for the first 1546 00:42:50,334 --> 00:42:51,667 um understanding for the first time this year. I think for a 1547 00:42:51,667 --> 00:42:52,800 time this year. I think for a lot of people bit of a wake-up 1548 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,567 lot of people bit of a wake-up call about how many key workers 1549 00:42:54,567 --> 00:42:56,133 call about how many key workers that are on the private sector, 1550 00:42:56,133 --> 00:42:56,967 that are on the private sector, the supermarket workers the 1551 00:42:56,967 --> 00:42:59,200 the supermarket workers the delivery drivers. People 1552 00:42:59,200 --> 00:42:59,967 delivery drivers. People manufacturing the vital goods 1553 00:42:59,967 --> 00:43:02,000 manufacturing the vital goods all of it, and I think there’s 1554 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,733 all of it, and I think there’s been a real understanding that 1555 00:43:03,733 --> 00:43:04,900 been a real understanding that key workers aren’t just those 1556 00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:07,833 key workers aren’t just those sort of public sector uniforms. 1557 00:43:07,833 --> 00:43:09,900 sort of public sector uniforms. Uh yeah, I think that’s 1558 00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:10,533 Uh yeah, I think that’s entirely correct. I mean you 1559 00:43:10,533 --> 00:43:11,867 entirely correct. I mean you know on the Facebook one when 1560 00:43:11,867 --> 00:43:13,333 know on the Facebook one when you know when we were locked up 1561 00:43:13,333 --> 00:43:14,434 you know when we were locked up for the first time in end of 1562 00:43:14,434 --> 00:43:15,933 for the first time in end of March, April time and against 1563 00:43:15,933 --> 00:43:18,234 March, April time and against the supermarket and seeing 1564 00:43:18,234 --> 00:43:19,799 the supermarket and seeing people to work and helping us 1565 00:43:19,799 --> 00:43:20,300 people to work and helping us in that in that element, I 1566 00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:22,299 in that in that element, I think people are sort of it um 1567 00:43:22,299 --> 00:43:23,167 think people are sort of it um slightly slightly better than 1568 00:43:23,167 --> 00:43:24,000 slightly slightly better than we used to um and you know 1569 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,267 we used to um and you know obviously, I’m not gonna open 1570 00:43:25,267 --> 00:43:26,467 obviously, I’m not gonna open up for quite a few of these key 1571 00:43:26,467 --> 00:43:27,234 up for quite a few of these key workers who’ve you know put 1572 00:43:27,234 --> 00:43:28,934 workers who’ve you know put themselves in a lot. Danger in 1573 00:43:28,934 --> 00:43:31,366 themselves in a lot. Danger in the last 6 months, 6 months um, 1574 00:43:31,366 --> 00:43:33,133 the last 6 months, 6 months um, but you know this is a really 1575 00:43:33,133 --> 00:43:33,933 but you know this is a really important element and I’m glad 1576 00:43:33,933 --> 00:43:35,467 important element and I’m glad you mentioned this why this 1577 00:43:35,467 --> 00:43:36,733 you mentioned this why this particular focus on this. I 1578 00:43:36,733 --> 00:43:38,133 particular focus on this. I think one of the reasons why 1579 00:43:38,133 --> 00:43:40,301 think one of the reasons why it’s um probably such an 1580 00:43:40,301 --> 00:43:40,999 it’s um probably such an outsized influence in terms of 1581 00:43:40,999 --> 00:43:42,133 outsized influence in terms of how we think about the public 1582 00:43:42,133 --> 00:43:43,233 how we think about the public sector that a lot of this is 1583 00:43:43,233 --> 00:43:44,800 sector that a lot of this is done as you say from the 1584 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,533 done as you say from the chancellor. so you know there’s 1585 00:43:46,533 --> 00:43:47,334 chancellor. so you know there’s various pay review bodies and 1586 00:43:47,334 --> 00:43:48,799 various pay review bodies and there’s recommendations in 1587 00:43:48,799 --> 00:43:50,434 there’s recommendations in terms of how the how small 1588 00:43:50,434 --> 00:43:52,399 terms of how the how small payroll should be for those in 1589 00:43:52,399 --> 00:43:53,234 payroll should be for those in various animals in public 1590 00:43:53,234 --> 00:43:54,367 various animals in public sector. now the chance it 1591 00:43:54,367 --> 00:43:55,533 sector. now the chance it doesn’t necessarily have to 1592 00:43:55,533 --> 00:43:56,800 doesn’t necessarily have to approve those but ordinarily he 1593 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:57,700 approve those but ordinarily he does one way to change this, 1594 00:43:57,700 --> 00:43:59,133 does one way to change this, for example. Might be to have 1595 00:43:59,133 --> 00:44:00,800 for example. Might be to have much more uh setting of pay on 1596 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,967 much more uh setting of pay on it on a regional level. so it’s 1597 00:44:02,967 --> 00:44:04,366 it on a regional level. so it’s not me it’s determine by a few 1598 00:44:04,366 --> 00:44:07,800 not me it’s determine by a few Mandarin sitting in a office in 1599 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:08,467 Mandarin sitting in a office in white, but rather it’s possibly 1600 00:44:08,467 --> 00:44:10,534 white, but rather it’s possibly city basis or regional basis, 1601 00:44:10,534 --> 00:44:11,767 city basis or regional basis, as well. There’s a slight pay 1602 00:44:11,767 --> 00:44:12,667 as well. There’s a slight pay premium if you work in London, 1603 00:44:12,667 --> 00:44:14,700 premium if you work in London, but otherwise pretty much 1604 00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:15,833 but otherwise pretty much whatever you do anywhere in the 1605 00:44:15,833 --> 00:44:16,533 whatever you do anywhere in the country. It’s the same job in 1606 00:44:16,533 --> 00:44:18,567 country. It’s the same job in the civil service. You will 1607 00:44:18,567 --> 00:44:19,267 the civil service. You will very likely be paid back the 1608 00:44:19,267 --> 00:44:20,133 very likely be paid back the same from the on the same 1609 00:44:20,133 --> 00:44:20,967 same from the on the same grade, so I think that’s sort 1610 00:44:20,967 --> 00:44:23,967 grade, so I think that’s sort of one other policy that wanna 1611 00:44:23,967 --> 00:44:24,700 of one other policy that wanna be taken up in the in the 1612 00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:26,033 be taken up in the in the coming weeks. Indeed, Thank you 1613 00:44:26,033 --> 00:44:26,867 coming weeks. Indeed, Thank you very much for joining us on 1614 00:44:26,867 --> 00:44:28,567 very much for joining us on Simpson. he’s with. To the 1615 00:44:28,567 --> 00:44:29,900 Simpson. he’s with. To the taxpayers, let’s bring back in 1616 00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:31,333 taxpayers, let’s bring back in Steve Allen listening to all of 1617 00:44:31,333 --> 00:44:33,267 Steve Allen listening to all of this um the reality is uh 1618 00:44:33,267 --> 00:44:34,000 this um the reality is uh Steve, you know that there will 1619 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,966 Steve, you know that there will be the organization of the 1620 00:44:35,966 --> 00:44:38,767 be the organization of the trade unions uh Labor party 1621 00:44:38,767 --> 00:44:39,434 trade unions uh Labor party Liberals. they’ll be coming 1622 00:44:39,434 --> 00:44:40,533 Liberals. they’ll be coming forward clamoring about these 1623 00:44:40,533 --> 00:44:41,700 forward clamoring about these public sector pay freezes. 1624 00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:43,799 public sector pay freezes. won’t they um do you think that 1625 00:44:43,799 --> 00:44:45,434 won’t they um do you think that the public will accept indeed 1626 00:44:45,434 --> 00:44:46,767 the public will accept indeed many in the public sector will 1627 00:44:46,767 --> 00:44:48,434 many in the public sector will accept that um you know things 1628 00:44:48,434 --> 00:44:50,767 accept that um you know things are gonna be paid for and uh 1629 00:44:50,767 --> 00:44:52,333 are gonna be paid for and uh the funding the funding of 1630 00:44:52,333 --> 00:44:54,000 the funding the funding of various things like uh pensions 1631 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:54,900 various things like uh pensions and pay deals in the public 1632 00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:56,133 and pay deals in the public sector are all gonna have to be 1633 00:44:56,133 --> 00:44:57,067 sector are all gonna have to be tightened as a result of what 1634 00:44:57,067 --> 00:44:58,900 tightened as a result of what we’ve got. This ??? you know 1635 00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:00,299 we’ve got. This ??? you know what I think could really make 1636 00:45:00,299 --> 00:45:01,634 what I think could really make it um be the kind of pill we 1637 00:45:01,634 --> 00:45:03,299 it um be the kind of pill we could all swallow is if we 1638 00:45:03,299 --> 00:45:04,634 could all swallow is if we thought that any of these tax 1639 00:45:04,634 --> 00:45:05,967 thought that any of these tax savings would benefit the 1640 00:45:05,967 --> 00:45:07,533 savings would benefit the people paying the tax whereas 1641 00:45:07,533 --> 00:45:09,534 people paying the tax whereas like yeah, I don’t think it 1642 00:45:09,534 --> 00:45:11,299 like yeah, I don’t think it will trickle down to another 1643 00:45:11,299 --> 00:45:13,300 will trickle down to another vaguely related phrase come 1644 00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:13,900 vaguely related phrase come anywhere near our pockets, 1645 00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:15,434 anywhere near our pockets, which which would help because 1646 00:45:15,434 --> 00:45:17,467 which which would help because if we are struggling to earn as 1647 00:45:17,467 --> 00:45:18,933 if we are struggling to earn as much as we were doing before 1648 00:45:18,933 --> 00:45:20,200 much as we were doing before taking less money out of our 1649 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,667 taking less money out of our pockets would actually help, 1650 00:45:21,667 --> 00:45:22,734 pockets would actually help, but I don’t think it will make 1651 00:45:22,734 --> 00:45:23,467 but I don’t think it will make its way back down to work. 1652 00:45:23,467 --> 00:45:25,533 its way back down to work. Yeah. That is the worry isn’t 1653 00:45:25,533 --> 00:45:26,200 Yeah. That is the worry isn’t it? Steve Allen. Thank you very 1654 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:26,933 it? Steve Allen. Thank you very much. We’re gonna talk more 1655 00:45:26,933 --> 00:45:28,033 much. We’re gonna talk more about Patel and that bullying 1656 00:45:28,033 --> 00:45:28,999 about Patel and that bullying report and we’re going to be 1657 00:45:28,999 --> 00:45:30,399 report and we’re going to be talking more about. Fed 1658 00:45:30,399 --> 00:45:31,800 talking more about. 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Uh we’re hearing about this pay 1857 00:51:22,267 --> 00:51:23,267 Uh we’re hearing about this pay freeze for public sector 1858 00:51:23,267 --> 00:51:25,800 freeze for public sector workers, some of top 345 and 1859 00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:26,967 workers, some of top 345 and haven’t got the details yet uh 1860 00:51:26,967 --> 00:51:28,301 haven’t got the details yet uh people are losing out on pay 1861 00:51:28,301 --> 00:51:29,967 people are losing out on pay rises probably for the next few 1862 00:51:29,967 --> 00:51:31,500 rises probably for the next few years, also after sixteen and a 1863 00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:33,299 years, also after sixteen and a half billion pounds was 1864 00:51:33,299 --> 00:51:34,800 half billion pounds was committed to defense spending 1865 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:35,500 committed to defense spending yesterday. Well, Michael Clark 1866 00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:36,933 yesterday. Well, Michael Clark is professor of defense studies 1867 00:51:36,933 --> 00:51:38,133 is professor of defense studies at. Kings College London and 1868 00:51:38,133 --> 00:51:39,566 at. Kings College London and joins us now good morning to 1869 00:51:39,566 --> 00:51:41,800 joins us now good morning to you. Yes good morning um the 1870 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:42,833 you. Yes good morning um the optics never look good when 1871 00:51:42,833 --> 00:51:44,299 optics never look good when you’re saying, here’s a load of 1872 00:51:44,299 --> 00:51:45,966 you’re saying, here’s a load of money for this but uh here’s no 1873 00:51:45,966 --> 00:51:47,267 money for this but uh here’s no pay rise of a few hundred a few 1874 00:51:47,267 --> 00:51:48,900 pay rise of a few hundred a few thousand pounds to this person 1875 00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:49,966 thousand pounds to this person over here never looks good, but 1876 00:51:49,966 --> 00:51:52,301 over here never looks good, but do we need to be spending this 1877 00:51:52,301 --> 00:51:54,033 do we need to be spending this extra 16000000000 pounds on 1878 00:51:54,033 --> 00:51:57,533 extra 16000000000 pounds on defense well, uh the idea that 1879 00:51:57,533 --> 00:51:58,133 defense well, uh the idea that the government started with a 1880 00:51:58,133 --> 00:51:59,200 the government started with a year ago before the pandemic 1881 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,634 year ago before the pandemic struck was that we had to make 1882 00:52:01,634 --> 00:52:02,767 struck was that we had to make a big statement in global 1883 00:52:02,767 --> 00:52:03,799 a big statement in global Britain, whatever that’s going 1884 00:52:03,799 --> 00:52:05,967 Britain, whatever that’s going to mean um and the point is 1885 00:52:05,967 --> 00:52:08,267 to mean um and the point is defense reached a point where 1886 00:52:08,267 --> 00:52:09,967 defense reached a point where if the review is now being put 1887 00:52:09,967 --> 00:52:10,999 if the review is now being put back to next year, that 1888 00:52:10,999 --> 00:52:12,700 back to next year, that there’ll be a lot of damage. 1889 00:52:12,700 --> 00:52:14,400 there’ll be a lot of damage. Sides to that if the government 1890 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,567 Sides to that if the government didn’t make a strong statement 1891 00:52:15,567 --> 00:52:16,900 didn’t make a strong statement and given that we’ve got 1892 00:52:16,900 --> 00:52:19,267 and given that we’ve got present to bid in the United 1893 00:52:19,267 --> 00:52:20,267 present to bid in the United States, who’s now wondering 1894 00:52:20,267 --> 00:52:23,200 States, who’s now wondering about the usefulness and 1895 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,533 about the usefulness and reliability of all these 1896 00:52:24,533 --> 00:52:26,334 reliability of all these various allies this seem like 1897 00:52:26,334 --> 00:52:28,399 various allies this seem like an important moment ahead of 1898 00:52:28,399 --> 00:52:28,999 an important moment ahead of the comprehensive spending 1899 00:52:28,999 --> 00:52:31,399 the comprehensive spending review next week to make a big 1900 00:52:31,399 --> 00:52:32,733 review next week to make a big statement, but it is putting 1901 00:52:32,733 --> 00:52:34,133 statement, but it is putting the car before the horse. We’ve 1902 00:52:34,133 --> 00:52:35,599 the car before the horse. We’ve got the money before we know 1903 00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:36,767 got the money before we know what the strategy is, but 1904 00:52:36,767 --> 00:52:38,000 what the strategy is, but that’s just the nature of 1905 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,299 that’s just the nature of politics at the moment. Yeah, I 1906 00:52:39,299 --> 00:52:40,133 politics at the moment. Yeah, I mean there was we’re told at 1907 00:52:40,133 --> 00:52:42,233 mean there was we’re told at 13000000000 pound black hole. 1908 00:52:42,233 --> 00:52:44,834 13000000000 pound black hole. In in in the defense for uh 1909 00:52:44,834 --> 00:52:45,966 In in in the defense for uh spending because of what had 1910 00:52:45,966 --> 00:52:46,767 spending because of what had already been committed and we 1911 00:52:46,767 --> 00:52:47,767 already been committed and we know that defense spending, I 1912 00:52:47,767 --> 00:52:48,933 know that defense spending, I mean when you actually look at 1913 00:52:48,933 --> 00:52:50,200 mean when you actually look at the numbers involved and what 1914 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:51,667 the numbers involved and what you have to spend for the 1915 00:52:51,667 --> 00:52:54,399 you have to spend for the hardware we are just talking 1916 00:52:54,399 --> 00:52:55,399 hardware we are just talking huge sums of money and it’s 1917 00:52:55,399 --> 00:52:56,000 huge sums of money and it’s difficult. I think for most of 1918 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,967 difficult. I think for most of us who who are not in military 1919 00:52:57,967 --> 00:52:59,834 us who who are not in military to comprehend why things have 1920 00:52:59,834 --> 00:53:01,167 to comprehend why things have to cost so much there have been 1921 00:53:01,167 --> 00:53:02,467 to cost so much there have been some big issues of military 1922 00:53:02,467 --> 00:53:04,800 some big issues of military procurement and a lot lot of uh 1923 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:05,967 procurement and a lot lot of uh just being right away. We’ve 1924 00:53:05,967 --> 00:53:07,800 just being right away. We’ve seen it with procurement and pp 1925 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,400 seen it with procurement and pp the level of uh and 1926 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:10,733 the level of uh and incompetence that’s involved uh 1927 00:53:10,733 --> 00:53:12,766 incompetence that’s involved uh and And we know there’s a 1928 00:53:12,766 --> 00:53:13,634 and And we know there’s a there’s a huge sums of money 1929 00:53:13,634 --> 00:53:15,567 there’s a huge sums of money that are wasted, but um can we 1930 00:53:15,567 --> 00:53:16,900 that are wasted, but um can we be sure this money is going to 1931 00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:19,734 be sure this money is going to make a difference well um the 1932 00:53:19,734 --> 00:53:21,100 make a difference well um the Mod have got to show that they 1933 00:53:21,100 --> 00:53:22,533 Mod have got to show that they can use this money for what the 1934 00:53:22,533 --> 00:53:23,967 can use this money for what the government wanted it to be used 1935 00:53:23,967 --> 00:53:26,334 government wanted it to be used for which is to transform the 1936 00:53:26,334 --> 00:53:27,766 for which is to transform the defense to transform the armed 1937 00:53:27,766 --> 00:53:31,267 defense to transform the armed forces into a real 21st century 1938 00:53:31,267 --> 00:53:32,767 forces into a real 21st century force, But the Mod doesn’t have 1939 00:53:32,767 --> 00:53:33,567 force, But the Mod doesn’t have a great record in spending 1940 00:53:33,567 --> 00:53:35,301 a great record in spending money. It’s certainly the 1941 00:53:35,301 --> 00:53:36,033 money. It’s certainly the 13000000000 black hole is a bit 1942 00:53:36,033 --> 00:53:38,334 13000000000 black hole is a bit of uh an exaggeration that the 1943 00:53:38,334 --> 00:53:39,199 of uh an exaggeration that the what the National Audit Office 1944 00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:40,234 what the National Audit Office says is that is that there’s a 1945 00:53:40,234 --> 00:53:42,567 says is that is that there’s a black hole. Could be 6000000000 1946 00:53:42,567 --> 00:53:43,900 black hole. Could be 6000000000 or if you did nothing about it 1947 00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:45,567 or if you did nothing about it could get as bad as thirteen. 1948 00:53:45,567 --> 00:53:46,867 could get as bad as thirteen. It is just with numbers. then 1949 00:53:46,867 --> 00:53:48,766 It is just with numbers. then yes, yeah, but that’s over 10 1950 00:53:48,766 --> 00:53:50,467 yes, yeah, but that’s over 10 years so maybe 6000000000 over 1951 00:53:50,467 --> 00:53:51,967 years so maybe 6000000000 over 10 years or maybe 13000000000 1952 00:53:51,967 --> 00:53:54,333 10 years or maybe 13000000000 over 10 years, but in terms of 1953 00:53:54,333 --> 00:53:55,167 over 10 years, but in terms of government spending that’s 1954 00:53:55,167 --> 00:53:56,000 government spending that’s money down. That’s money down. 1955 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,333 money down. That’s money down. The back of the sofa. isn’t it. 1956 00:53:58,333 --> 00:53:59,767 The back of the sofa. isn’t it. That’s just small change. Yeah 1957 00:53:59,767 --> 00:54:01,399 That’s just small change. Yeah exactly I mean in terms of the 1958 00:54:01,399 --> 00:54:03,967 exactly I mean in terms of the sort of 200000000000 um that we 1959 00:54:03,967 --> 00:54:05,466 sort of 200000000000 um that we would spend on defense in the 1960 00:54:05,466 --> 00:54:07,900 would spend on defense in the next 5 years if six of it is 1961 00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:09,199 next 5 years if six of it is gonna stray because of the has 1962 00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:10,999 gonna stray because of the has been lost, but just. Cost 1963 00:54:10,999 --> 00:54:12,301 been lost, but just. Cost overruns and contracting, and 1964 00:54:12,301 --> 00:54:14,566 overruns and contracting, and so on, I mean that’s not 1965 00:54:14,566 --> 00:54:15,199 so on, I mean that’s not satisfactory, but it’s not 1966 00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:16,000 satisfactory, but it’s not astro as the headlines often 1967 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,599 astro as the headlines often make it seem now. That’s a very 1968 00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:18,933 make it seem now. That’s a very fair point, but we know the 1969 00:54:18,933 --> 00:54:20,133 fair point, but we know the nature of warfare is changing 1970 00:54:20,133 --> 00:54:22,867 nature of warfare is changing and to a certain extent of the 1971 00:54:22,867 --> 00:54:24,667 and to a certain extent of the spending you have on defense. 1972 00:54:24,667 --> 00:54:26,267 spending you have on defense. defense. whether it’s Trident 1973 00:54:26,267 --> 00:54:27,766 defense. whether it’s Trident nuclear missiles uh whether 1974 00:54:27,766 --> 00:54:29,599 nuclear missiles uh whether it’s battleships or the space 1975 00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:30,933 it’s battleships or the space force and the likes of 1976 00:54:30,933 --> 00:54:32,133 force and the likes of defending our satellites to a 1977 00:54:32,133 --> 00:54:34,333 defending our satellites to a certain extent, it’s it’s only 1978 00:54:34,333 --> 00:54:34,967 certain extent, it’s it’s only successful if you don’t use it. 1979 00:54:34,967 --> 00:54:36,634 successful if you don’t use it. So there’s a lot of people well 1980 00:54:36,634 --> 00:54:38,234 So there’s a lot of people well we don’t use this stuff. so why 1981 00:54:38,234 --> 00:54:42,433 we don’t use this stuff. so why do we need it but you? 1982 00:55:09,766 --> 00:55:11,467 Cables are at risk uh attacking 1983 00:55:11,467 --> 00:55:13,400 Cables are at risk uh attacking or potentially attacking the 1984 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,067 or potentially attacking the satellites that matter to our 1985 00:55:15,067 --> 00:55:17,600 satellites that matter to our ability to go to the bank and 1986 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:18,266 ability to go to the bank and get money from the cash point 1987 00:55:18,266 --> 00:55:20,334 get money from the cash point All of these things that are 1988 00:55:20,334 --> 00:55:21,933 All of these things that are happening all the time our 1989 00:55:21,933 --> 00:55:23,267 happening all the time our social media is being 1990 00:55:23,267 --> 00:55:25,267 social media is being perverted. our elections are 1991 00:55:25,267 --> 00:55:26,800 perverted. our elections are being undermined, so this is 1992 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:27,466 being undermined, so this is something that we’re gonna find 1993 00:55:27,466 --> 00:55:29,599 something that we’re gonna find that our our defense force is 1994 00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:30,766 that our our defense force is broadly conceived. That’s 1995 00:55:30,766 --> 00:55:32,334 broadly conceived. That’s defense and diplomacy and 1996 00:55:32,334 --> 00:55:33,766 defense and diplomacy and intelligence services side 1997 00:55:33,766 --> 00:55:35,467 intelligence services side services. All of these people 1998 00:55:35,467 --> 00:55:37,167 services. All of these people are fighting everyday to 1999 00:55:37,167 --> 00:55:38,133 are fighting everyday to preserve our way of life. It’s 2000 00:55:38,133 --> 00:55:40,533 preserve our way of life. It’s not a question. Of going war by 2001 00:55:40,533 --> 00:55:42,900 not a question. Of going war by sending the troops to yeah, 2002 00:55:42,900 --> 00:55:43,467 sending the troops to yeah, it’s doing something more 2003 00:55:43,467 --> 00:55:44,599 it’s doing something more permanent. and that’s what this 2004 00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:45,933 permanent. and that’s what this is really all about. Yeah I did 2005 00:55:45,933 --> 00:55:47,266 is really all about. Yeah I did on the nature of warfare very 2006 00:55:47,266 --> 00:55:48,800 on the nature of warfare very much changing and what do you 2007 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,800 much changing and what do you make of the we’re told decision 2008 00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:51,667 make of the we’re told decision to remove money from the budget 2009 00:55:51,667 --> 00:55:53,800 to remove money from the budget it automatically falls as the 2010 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,300 it automatically falls as the illegal commitment uh since 2011 00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:56,967 illegal commitment uh since David came to be no .7 percent 2012 00:55:56,967 --> 00:55:59,133 David came to be no .7 percent of GDP course, GDP has fallen 2013 00:55:59,133 --> 00:55:59,733 of GDP course, GDP has fallen this year. Therefore, it will 2014 00:55:59,733 --> 00:56:00,933 this year. Therefore, it will go down. I think by about 2015 00:56:00,933 --> 00:56:02,900 go down. I think by about 4000000000 anyway uh but we 2016 00:56:02,900 --> 00:56:04,301 4000000000 anyway uh but we know that the that the 2017 00:56:04,301 --> 00:56:04,900 know that the that the international development 2018 00:56:04,900 --> 00:56:06,667 international development budget is now in the offices of 2019 00:56:06,667 --> 00:56:08,966 budget is now in the offices of the foreign office budget. We 2020 00:56:08,966 --> 00:56:10,434 the foreign office budget. We know that Dominic, the foreign 2021 00:56:10,434 --> 00:56:11,334 know that Dominic, the foreign secretary said he doesn’t want 2022 00:56:11,334 --> 00:56:13,167 secretary said he doesn’t want that budget to fall. should we 2023 00:56:13,167 --> 00:56:14,334 that budget to fall. should we be keeping that budget high 2024 00:56:14,334 --> 00:56:16,334 be keeping that budget high because need around the world 2025 00:56:16,334 --> 00:56:17,766 because need around the world is never be greater. We know 2026 00:56:17,766 --> 00:56:18,634 is never be greater. We know that I mean we worry about our 2027 00:56:18,634 --> 00:56:20,200 that I mean we worry about our hits the economy the hits of 2028 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:21,067 hits the economy the hits of other economies where people 2029 00:56:21,067 --> 00:56:22,333 other economies where people haven’t got the you know 2030 00:56:22,333 --> 00:56:24,299 haven’t got the you know Welfare states has been far 2031 00:56:24,299 --> 00:56:25,967 Welfare states has been far greater or should we be keeping 2032 00:56:25,967 --> 00:56:28,399 greater or should we be keeping it uh because actually it is 2033 00:56:28,399 --> 00:56:29,933 it uh because actually it is the kind of soft power and 2034 00:56:29,933 --> 00:56:31,533 the kind of soft power and influence that actually does 2035 00:56:31,533 --> 00:56:33,300 influence that actually does actually to help defend our 2036 00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:34,533 actually to help defend our country. Well, my view is 2037 00:56:34,533 --> 00:56:37,267 country. Well, my view is exactly that uh this is not is 2038 00:56:37,267 --> 00:56:39,299 exactly that uh this is not is an investment. Hard nose 2039 00:56:39,299 --> 00:56:40,800 an investment. Hard nose influence and power in Britain 2040 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,167 influence and power in Britain is second only to the United 2041 00:56:42,167 --> 00:56:43,767 is second only to the United States in the effectiveness of 2042 00:56:43,767 --> 00:56:44,800 States in the effectiveness of its foreign aid. now a lot of 2043 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,366 its foreign aid. now a lot of people internally you know in 2044 00:56:46,366 --> 00:56:47,467 people internally you know in Britain, they get very upset 2045 00:56:47,467 --> 00:56:48,066 Britain, they get very upset about foreign aid, but when 2046 00:56:48,066 --> 00:56:49,734 about foreign aid, but when you’re out and about you look 2047 00:56:49,734 --> 00:56:51,399 you’re out and about you look what British foreign aid does 2048 00:56:51,399 --> 00:56:53,901 what British foreign aid does um generally speaking, it works 2049 00:56:53,901 --> 00:56:55,300 um generally speaking, it works very well and it does a lot of 2050 00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:56,133 very well and it does a lot of good for British influence and 2051 00:56:56,133 --> 00:56:59,467 good for British influence and so this defense uh increase is 2052 00:56:59,467 --> 00:57:00,199 so this defense uh increase is all part of a more general 2053 00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:01,800 all part of a more general review that we’ll see next 2054 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:02,967 review that we’ll see next year, which is intended to 2055 00:57:02,967 --> 00:57:04,900 year, which is intended to cover foreign aid and diplomacy 2056 00:57:04,900 --> 00:57:05,600 cover foreign aid and diplomacy and intelligence, and quite a 2057 00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:06,667 and intelligence, and quite a lot of other things as well so 2058 00:57:06,667 --> 00:57:09,034 lot of other things as well so to be. Defense while reducing 2059 00:57:09,034 --> 00:57:11,299 to be. Defense while reducing foreign aid is actually um 2060 00:57:11,299 --> 00:57:13,034 foreign aid is actually um against the whole flow of what 2061 00:57:13,034 --> 00:57:14,467 against the whole flow of what was supposing to be doing, 2062 00:57:14,467 --> 00:57:16,900 was supposing to be doing, which is to uh as we situate 2063 00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:18,799 which is to uh as we situate Britain as global Britain in 2064 00:57:18,799 --> 00:57:20,800 Britain as global Britain in the post, Brexit Britain era to 2065 00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:21,567 the post, Brexit Britain era to make a statement to the world 2066 00:57:21,567 --> 00:57:23,767 make a statement to the world in the 2020s that was still 2067 00:57:23,767 --> 00:57:25,267 in the 2020s that was still there and so reducing the 2068 00:57:25,267 --> 00:57:26,467 there and so reducing the foreign aid budget to pay for 2069 00:57:26,467 --> 00:57:28,000 foreign aid budget to pay for defense would send exactly the 2070 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,367 defense would send exactly the wrong message to all of our 2071 00:57:29,367 --> 00:57:31,300 wrong message to all of our friends and allies out there 2072 00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:32,767 friends and allies out there The message we want to send is 2073 00:57:32,767 --> 00:57:33,434 The message we want to send is that you know whether you like 2074 00:57:33,434 --> 00:57:35,267 that you know whether you like Brexit or not, We’re an 2075 00:57:35,267 --> 00:57:36,766 Brexit or not, We’re an independent power. We’re gonna 2076 00:57:36,766 --> 00:57:37,634 independent power. We’re gonna behave with some significance 2077 00:57:37,634 --> 00:57:39,766 behave with some significance in the world and try to do some 2078 00:57:39,766 --> 00:57:41,967 in the world and try to do some good for parts of that. Thank 2079 00:57:41,967 --> 00:57:43,333 good for parts of that. Thank you so much for joining us 2080 00:57:43,333 --> 00:57:44,467 you so much for joining us Professor defense at Kings 2081 00:57:44,467 --> 00:57:45,867 Professor defense at Kings College London. Just a quick 2082 00:57:45,867 --> 00:57:46,900 College London. Just a quick word from Steve Allen listening 2083 00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:49,300 word from Steve Allen listening to all of that. Um you 2084 00:57:49,300 --> 00:57:49,900 to all of that. Um you mentioned about you know the 2085 00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:51,100 mentioned about you know the big defense spending boost 2086 00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:51,900 big defense spending boost announced yesterday at a time 2087 00:57:51,900 --> 00:57:53,299 announced yesterday at a time when we’re finding out public 2088 00:57:53,299 --> 00:57:54,133 when we’re finding out public safety to pay for and of 2089 00:57:54,133 --> 00:57:55,366 safety to pay for and of course, foreign aid it all ties 2090 00:57:55,366 --> 00:57:56,334 course, foreign aid it all ties in. I mean it’s a very 2091 00:57:56,334 --> 00:57:57,967 in. I mean it’s a very difficult jigsaw isn’t it for 2092 00:57:57,967 --> 00:57:59,334 difficult jigsaw isn’t it for Eddie indeed, any prime 2093 00:57:59,334 --> 00:58:01,300 Eddie indeed, any prime minister ultimately the first 2094 00:58:01,300 --> 00:58:03,299 minister ultimately the first law of the treasury. um do you 2095 00:58:03,299 --> 00:58:05,267 law of the treasury. um do you think the balance is right? I’m 2096 00:58:05,267 --> 00:58:06,000 think the balance is right? I’m still not convinced I mean a 2097 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,299 still not convinced I mean a lot of what was said was really 2098 00:58:09,299 --> 00:58:10,000 lot of what was said was really interesting, but it’s slightly 2099 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,834 interesting, but it’s slightly saddens me to hear that most of 2100 00:58:11,834 --> 00:58:13,399 saddens me to hear that most of these decisions will. Made 2101 00:58:13,399 --> 00:58:15,766 these decisions will. Made based on politics rather than 2102 00:58:15,766 --> 00:58:17,467 based on politics rather than actual defense, so the defense 2103 00:58:17,467 --> 00:58:19,734 actual defense, so the defense is based on making us 2104 00:58:19,734 --> 00:58:20,133 is based on making us politically look good and 2105 00:58:20,133 --> 00:58:22,734 politically look good and powerful um and that’s a 2106 00:58:22,734 --> 00:58:23,800 powerful um and that’s a deterrent isn’t it, but but not 2107 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,300 deterrent isn’t it, but but not if there’s actually nothing to 2108 00:58:25,300 --> 00:58:26,301 if there’s actually nothing to spend the money on the fact 2109 00:58:26,301 --> 00:58:26,967 spend the money on the fact that the money is put in place 2110 00:58:26,967 --> 00:58:28,999 that the money is put in place before we’d know what any of it 2111 00:58:28,999 --> 00:58:30,933 before we’d know what any of it is gonna be used to buy does 2112 00:58:30,933 --> 00:58:32,234 is gonna be used to buy does seem like one, then that’s just 2113 00:58:32,234 --> 00:58:33,299 seem like one, then that’s just an arbitrary figure. and so 2114 00:58:33,299 --> 00:58:35,100 an arbitrary figure. and so it’s even worse that it arrives 2115 00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:37,267 it’s even worse that it arrives a day after a day before the 2116 00:58:37,267 --> 00:58:38,599 a day after a day before the same figure gets talked about 2117 00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:39,967 same figure gets talked about in terms of uh pay freezes. 2118 00:58:39,967 --> 00:58:41,334 in terms of uh pay freezes. Okay. Thank you very much it 2119 00:58:41,334 --> 00:58:42,667 Okay. Thank you very much it did more from Steve throughout 2120 00:58:42,667 --> 00:58:43,800 did more from Steve throughout the show up Next. We’re gonna 2121 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,200 the show up Next. We’re gonna talk politics with shall I get 2122 00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:46,634 talk politics with shall I get the latest on the sport as well 2123 00:58:46,634 --> 00:58:47,834 the latest on the sport as well and talk about it well the roll 2124 00:58:47,834 --> 00:58:50,334 and talk about it well the roll out of this uh. Vaccine uh and 2125 00:58:50,334 --> 00:58:51,833 out of this uh. Vaccine uh and uh also with the discovery of T 2126 00:58:51,833 --> 00:58:53,434 uh also with the discovery of T cell by the public Health, 2127 00:58:53,434 --> 00:58:55,034 cell by the public Health, England amazing. I mean so late 2128 00:58:55,034 --> 00:58:56,967 England amazing. I mean so late in the day but there we are uh 2129 00:58:56,967 --> 00:58:57,700 in the day but there we are uh you can watch the show live. We 2130 00:58:57,700 --> 00:58:58,999 you can watch the show live. We are streaming on YouTube, 2131 00:58:58,999 --> 00:59:01,267 are streaming on YouTube, Twitter and Facebook uh right 2132 00:59:01,267 --> 00:59:02,334 Twitter and Facebook uh right now at 731. Let’s get the 2133 00:59:02,334 --> 00:59:04,800 now at 731. Let’s get the latest news headlines with Ross 2134 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,033 latest news headlines with Ross Powell Talk Radio half hour 2135 00:59:07,033 --> 00:59:09,034 Powell Talk Radio half hour headlines. It’s reported that 2136 00:59:09,034 --> 00:59:10,300 headlines. It’s reported that millions of public sector 2137 00:59:10,300 --> 00:59:11,299 millions of public sector workers are facing a pay freeze 2138 00:59:11,299 --> 00:59:13,434 workers are facing a pay freeze for a year as the chancellor 2139 00:59:13,434 --> 00:59:14,367 for a year as the chancellor attempts to tackle the huge 2140 00:59:14,367 --> 00:59:15,899 attempts to tackle the huge financial hits caused by the 2141 00:59:15,899 --> 00:59:16,699 financial hits caused by the Corona virus, teachers and 2142 00:59:16,699 --> 00:59:18,000 Corona virus, teachers and civil servants will be affected 2143 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,899 civil servants will be affected but. Those working on the NHS 2144 00:59:19,899 --> 00:59:21,634 but. Those working on the NHS front line is the move could 2145 00:59:21,634 --> 00:59:23,734 front line is the move could save around 2000000000 pounds, 2146 00:59:23,734 --> 00:59:24,233 save around 2000000000 pounds, Duncan Simpson from the 2147 00:59:24,233 --> 00:59:26,300 Duncan Simpson from the Taxpayers Alliance as total 2148 00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:27,899 Taxpayers Alliance as total radio. It’s a fair decision do 2149 00:59:27,899 --> 00:59:29,266 radio. It’s a fair decision do bear in mind that many people 2150 00:59:29,266 --> 00:59:30,833 bear in mind that many people in the public sector for years 2151 00:59:30,833 --> 00:59:31,899 in the public sector for years have had a very generous 2152 00:59:31,899 --> 00:59:33,800 have had a very generous situation so the earnings 2153 00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,299 situation so the earnings premium that is 7% higher than 2154 00:59:35,299 --> 00:59:36,400 premium that is 7% higher than for those those in the private 2155 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,367 for those those in the private sector that are missing the has 2156 00:59:38,367 --> 00:59:39,800 sector that are missing the has narrowed somewhat the recent 2157 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,800 narrowed somewhat the recent years, but you know it is a 2158 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:42,400 years, but you know it is a huge advantage for labor is 2159 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:43,899 huge advantage for labor is demanding the inquiry into 2160 00:59:43,899 --> 00:59:45,266 demanding the inquiry into allegations of bullying by home 2161 00:59:45,266 --> 00:59:46,866 allegations of bullying by home Secretary Patel be published as 2162 00:59:46,866 --> 00:59:48,233 Secretary Patel be published as it some of the finding. So she 2163 00:59:48,233 --> 00:59:49,966 it some of the finding. So she broke the ministerial code. 2164 00:59:49,966 --> 00:59:51,767 broke the ministerial code. Boris Johnson looks at to 2165 00:59:51,767 --> 00:59:53,466 Boris Johnson looks at to defend Patel, however, and it’s 2166 00:59:53,466 --> 00:59:54,099 defend Patel, however, and it’s understood she won’t be sack. 2167 00:59:54,099 --> 00:59:55,034 understood she won’t be sack. The captain’s Office 2168 00:59:55,034 --> 00:59:55,966 The captain’s Office investigation was launched in 2169 00:59:55,966 --> 00:59:57,634 investigation was launched in March over allegations the home 2170 00:59:57,634 --> 00:59:58,833 March over allegations the home secretary belittled colleagues 2171 00:59:58,833 --> 01:00:00,400 secretary belittled colleagues and clash with senior officials 2172 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,000 and clash with senior officials all claims that she denies 2173 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,966 all claims that she denies Scotland spacing Eleven council 2174 01:00:03,966 --> 01:00:05,899 Scotland spacing Eleven council into its toughest coronavirus 2175 01:00:05,899 --> 01:00:06,833 into its toughest coronavirus restrictions from 6 o’clock 2176 01:00:06,833 --> 01:00:08,600 restrictions from 6 o’clock tonight, restaurants, cafes 2177 01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:09,466 tonight, restaurants, cafes pubs and non-essential shops 2178 01:00:09,466 --> 01:00:12,301 pubs and non-essential shops will have to close for 3 weeks, 2179 01:00:12,301 --> 01:00:13,899 will have to close for 3 weeks, Glasgow sterling and much of 2180 01:00:13,899 --> 01:00:15,299 Glasgow sterling and much of the is being placed into level 2181 01:00:15,299 --> 01:00:17,433 the is being placed into level four Stewart is a senior 2182 01:00:17,433 --> 01:00:19,634 four Stewart is a senior reporter and columnist at the 2183 01:00:19,634 --> 01:00:21,634 reporter and columnist at the Harold Times, She says a few 2184 01:00:21,634 --> 01:00:22,266 Harold Times, She says a few weeks will be difficult, The 2185 01:00:22,266 --> 01:00:24,367 weeks will be difficult, The leader of the council Susan Can 2186 01:00:24,367 --> 01:00:27,767 leader of the council Susan Can she herself an SP politician 2187 01:00:27,767 --> 01:00:29,266 she herself an SP politician had really strongly argued with 2188 01:00:29,266 --> 01:00:30,733 had really strongly argued with the government against 2189 01:00:30,733 --> 01:00:32,866 the government against introducing these restrictions 2190 01:00:32,866 --> 01:00:33,966 introducing these restrictions in Glasgow because the city is 2191 01:00:33,966 --> 01:00:37,266 in Glasgow because the city is being so badly hits already uh 2192 01:00:37,266 --> 01:00:38,766 being so badly hits already uh hospitality and the license 2193 01:00:38,766 --> 01:00:41,966 hospitality and the license trade in particular. so today 2194 01:00:41,966 --> 01:00:44,699 trade in particular. so today will be a tough day for 2195 01:00:44,699 --> 01:00:45,966 will be a tough day for businesses. Meanwhile, Northern 2196 01:00:45,966 --> 01:00:47,767 businesses. Meanwhile, Northern Island will see close contact 2197 01:00:47,767 --> 01:00:48,400 Island will see close contact services reopen today for the 2198 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:49,966 services reopen today for the first time since mid October 2199 01:00:49,966 --> 01:00:51,299 first time since mid October just as a two-week circuit 2200 01:00:51,299 --> 01:00:52,099 just as a two-week circuit breaker has been announced to 2201 01:00:52,099 --> 01:00:54,733 breaker has been announced to start next Friday. Radio 2202 01:00:54,733 --> 01:00:56,600 start next Friday. Radio national weather Some heavy 2203 01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:57,899 national weather Some heavy rain sets move from west to 2204 01:00:57,899 --> 01:00:59,034 rain sets move from west to east across the UK This 2205 01:00:59,034 --> 01:01:00,199 east across the UK This morning. It’ll be mainly wet in 2206 01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:01,800 morning. It’ll be mainly wet in just the east of England by the 2207 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,600 just the east of England by the afternoon highs of 12° Talk 2208 01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,634 afternoon highs of 12° Talk radio talk Radio your trusted 2209 01:01:07,634 --> 01:01:10,000 radio talk Radio your trusted 24 hour resource for breaking 2210 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,600 24 hour resource for breaking news and non-stop conversations 2211 01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,600 news and non-stop conversations by next things can look very 2212 01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:14,266 by next things can look very different, but that’s like 2213 01:01:14,266 --> 01:01:16,501 different, but that’s like everything going well 2214 01:01:16,501 --> 01:01:17,399 everything going well Unparalleled radio for 2215 01:01:17,399 --> 01:01:19,000 Unparalleled radio for unprecedented times the EU know 2216 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,967 unprecedented times the EU know the Paris to get his deal free 2217 01:01:20,967 --> 01:01:22,099 the Paris to get his deal free parliament pretty immediately 2218 01:01:22,099 --> 01:01:24,367 parliament pretty immediately there isn’t. Same type of time 2219 01:01:24,367 --> 01:01:26,733 there isn’t. Same type of time pressure to get it done early 2220 01:01:26,733 --> 01:01:28,833 pressure to get it done early online on and on the talk Radio 2221 01:01:28,833 --> 01:01:31,899 online on and on the talk Radio app 2222 01:01:32,333 --> 01:01:34,799 Talk Radio talk Radio Julia 2223 01:01:34,799 --> 01:01:38,000 Talk Radio talk Radio Julia Hartley brewer at Breakfast on 2224 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,267 Hartley brewer at Breakfast on Top radio Good morning to you. 2225 01:01:40,267 --> 01:01:41,967 Top radio Good morning to you. This is breakfast for Julia. 2226 01:01:41,967 --> 01:01:43,634 This is breakfast for Julia. Thank you very much indeed for 2227 01:01:43,634 --> 01:01:44,800 Thank you very much indeed for your company. Steve Allen with 2228 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,801 your company. Steve Allen with music comedian and former 2229 01:01:46,801 --> 01:01:47,367 music comedian and former chemist Steve Let’s talk about 2230 01:01:47,367 --> 01:01:48,667 chemist Steve Let’s talk about pretty Patel the health 2231 01:01:48,667 --> 01:01:49,867 pretty Patel the health Secretary Health sector home 2232 01:01:49,867 --> 01:01:51,567 Secretary Health sector home secretary uh she uh has been 2233 01:01:51,567 --> 01:01:53,133 secretary uh she uh has been accused of bullying staff in 2234 01:01:53,133 --> 01:01:54,434 accused of bullying staff in the home office and report 2235 01:01:54,434 --> 01:01:58,166 the home office and report that’s been carried. 2236 01:02:31,333 --> 01:02:33,100 Would be the admin, but we were 2237 01:02:33,100 --> 01:02:34,399 Would be the admin, but we were discussing earlier has she been 2238 01:02:34,399 --> 01:02:35,800 discussing earlier has she been held to a higher standard and 2239 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,533 held to a higher standard and say, Oh John be the common 2240 01:02:37,533 --> 01:02:39,299 say, Oh John be the common speaker or did Gordon Brown 2241 01:02:39,299 --> 01:02:41,133 speaker or did Gordon Brown used to throw stuff at his 2242 01:02:41,133 --> 01:02:43,399 used to throw stuff at his stuff? um if she has been then 2243 01:02:43,399 --> 01:02:44,967 stuff? um if she has been then it’s wrong, they oh everyone 2244 01:02:44,967 --> 01:02:45,567 it’s wrong, they oh everyone should have been held to that 2245 01:02:45,567 --> 01:02:47,767 should have been held to that same high standard Um II think 2246 01:02:47,767 --> 01:02:48,933 same high standard Um II think a lot of it comes down to to 2247 01:02:48,933 --> 01:02:50,599 a lot of it comes down to to party and the hypocrisy that’s 2248 01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:51,833 party and the hypocrisy that’s built into it because 2249 01:02:51,833 --> 01:02:53,267 built into it because everyone’s out to score points, 2250 01:02:53,267 --> 01:02:55,399 everyone’s out to score points, which which I understand how 2251 01:02:55,399 --> 01:02:57,434 which which I understand how that system works, but always 2252 01:02:57,434 --> 01:02:59,133 that system works, but always means that something will go 2253 01:02:59,133 --> 01:03:00,567 means that something will go unpunished or will go ahead and 2254 01:03:00,567 --> 01:03:02,800 unpunished or will go ahead and be. It’s your team. It’s this 2255 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:03,967 be. It’s your team. It’s this tribal m. That’s ruined 2256 01:03:03,967 --> 01:03:05,267 tribal m. That’s ruined everything not just politics. 2257 01:03:05,267 --> 01:03:06,334 everything not just politics. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean that 2258 01:03:06,334 --> 01:03:07,800 Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean that that’s the thing is you see 2259 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:08,800 that’s the thing is you see you’re holding people the right 2260 01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:09,567 you’re holding people the right standard. Well, let’s talk 2261 01:03:09,567 --> 01:03:10,666 standard. Well, let’s talk about all this now with 2262 01:03:10,666 --> 01:03:11,767 about all this now with Charlotte, I talk radio 2263 01:03:11,767 --> 01:03:13,833 Charlotte, I talk radio political correspondent Good 2264 01:03:13,833 --> 01:03:14,334 political correspondent Good morning to Charlotte Good 2265 01:03:14,334 --> 01:03:15,934 morning to Charlotte Good morning. Um we we’ve known 2266 01:03:15,934 --> 01:03:17,366 morning. Um we we’ve known about this report for some time 2267 01:03:17,366 --> 01:03:18,667 about this report for some time and there’s a lot of people 2268 01:03:18,667 --> 01:03:19,734 and there’s a lot of people demanding again and again. when 2269 01:03:19,734 --> 01:03:21,299 demanding again and again. when is the uh government going to 2270 01:03:21,299 --> 01:03:22,334 is the uh government going to publish this report, it could 2271 01:03:22,334 --> 01:03:22,999 publish this report, it could be as soon as today, maybe 2272 01:03:22,999 --> 01:03:24,900 be as soon as today, maybe because it’s already been 2273 01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:25,500 because it’s already been leaked. Prime Minister has 2274 01:03:25,500 --> 01:03:26,967 leaked. Prime Minister has already said. apparently he’s 2275 01:03:26,967 --> 01:03:28,867 already said. apparently he’s gonna stand by pretty Patel, no 2276 01:03:28,867 --> 01:03:31,167 gonna stand by pretty Patel, no matter what, but it’s. Damning 2277 01:03:31,167 --> 01:03:32,599 matter what, but it’s. Damning stuff what we’ve seen from the 2278 01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:34,834 stuff what we’ve seen from the leaks it all seem to be I’ve 2279 01:03:34,834 --> 01:03:36,299 leaks it all seem to be I’ve only seen leaks and been 2280 01:03:36,299 --> 01:03:37,399 only seen leaks and been briefed on what’s in it by 2281 01:03:37,399 --> 01:03:38,467 briefed on what’s in it by people who’ve read it so bear 2282 01:03:38,467 --> 01:03:39,933 people who’ve read it so bear in mind, I haven’t seen the 2283 01:03:39,933 --> 01:03:41,367 in mind, I haven’t seen the original document. No one has 2284 01:03:41,367 --> 01:03:42,766 original document. No one has yet it hasn’t been made public, 2285 01:03:42,766 --> 01:03:44,334 yet it hasn’t been made public, but it does seem to be the case 2286 01:03:44,334 --> 01:03:46,533 but it does seem to be the case that there was a sustained 2287 01:03:46,533 --> 01:03:48,000 that there was a sustained pattern of behavior from pretty 2288 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,767 pattern of behavior from pretty Patel, which is is described in 2289 01:03:49,767 --> 01:03:52,000 Patel, which is is described in the as unacceptable as you can 2290 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:52,533 the as unacceptable as you can see, we’re we’re just 2291 01:03:52,533 --> 01:03:54,567 see, we’re we’re just discussing It’s unintentional 2292 01:03:54,567 --> 01:03:55,967 discussing It’s unintentional is the word that is used about 2293 01:03:55,967 --> 01:03:57,434 is the word that is used about her behavior and essentially 2294 01:03:57,434 --> 01:03:59,967 her behavior and essentially what seems to be the case is 2295 01:03:59,967 --> 01:04:01,634 what seems to be the case is that senior civil servants in 2296 01:04:01,634 --> 01:04:02,800 that senior civil servants in the home office failed to tell 2297 01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,334 the home office failed to tell her when complaints were being 2298 01:04:04,334 --> 01:04:05,500 her when complaints were being made when people found her 2299 01:04:05,500 --> 01:04:07,900 made when people found her behavior on. So she wasn’t 2300 01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:10,334 behavior on. So she wasn’t given the opportunity to learn 2301 01:04:10,334 --> 01:04:11,333 given the opportunity to learn from it to realize that what 2302 01:04:11,333 --> 01:04:13,300 from it to realize that what she had done was incorrect and 2303 01:04:13,300 --> 01:04:15,067 she had done was incorrect and then change her behavior. So I 2304 01:04:15,067 --> 01:04:16,000 then change her behavior. So I understand the report is also 2305 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,233 understand the report is also going to criticize senior civil 2306 01:04:18,233 --> 01:04:19,167 going to criticize senior civil servants in the home office for 2307 01:04:19,167 --> 01:04:20,334 servants in the home office for their lack of leadership. Yeah, 2308 01:04:20,334 --> 01:04:22,533 their lack of leadership. Yeah, I did it with this thing is the 2309 01:04:22,533 --> 01:04:23,767 I did it with this thing is the one’s defending. you know that 2310 01:04:23,767 --> 01:04:24,600 one’s defending. you know that sort of behavior. there was one 2311 01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,334 sort of behavior. there was one incident. We’re told she was 2312 01:04:26,334 --> 01:04:27,067 incident. We’re told she was accused of of belittling 2313 01:04:27,067 --> 01:04:28,399 accused of of belittling officials in making 2314 01:04:28,399 --> 01:04:30,434 officials in making unreasonable demands begin what 2315 01:04:30,434 --> 01:04:31,399 unreasonable demands begin what I mean, massage my feet would 2316 01:04:31,399 --> 01:04:32,334 I mean, massage my feet would be an unreasonable demand. do 2317 01:04:32,334 --> 01:04:34,900 be an unreasonable demand. do your job properly um isn’t an 2318 01:04:34,900 --> 01:04:35,599 your job properly um isn’t an unreasonable demand, and it 2319 01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:36,300 unreasonable demand, and it seems to be the home office 2320 01:04:36,300 --> 01:04:37,167 seems to be the home office often doesn’t do that creating 2321 01:04:37,167 --> 01:04:38,967 often doesn’t do that creating an atmosphere of fear. One 2322 01:04:38,967 --> 01:04:40,000 an atmosphere of fear. One official who had worked all 2323 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,233 official who had worked all night to prevent delays in an 2324 01:04:41,233 --> 01:04:43,966 night to prevent delays in an expedition like collapsed after 2325 01:04:43,966 --> 01:04:45,233 expedition like collapsed after a meeting with her is it 2326 01:04:45,233 --> 01:04:46,900 a meeting with her is it terrible. I’m I’m old School 2327 01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:48,299 terrible. I’m I’m old School journal. I Mean II was called 2328 01:04:48,299 --> 01:04:49,599 journal. I Mean II was called you know, I mean the abuse he 2329 01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:50,834 you know, I mean the abuse he used to get in the offices. I 2330 01:04:50,834 --> 01:04:51,967 used to get in the offices. I worked in. I mean just for 2331 01:04:51,967 --> 01:04:53,434 worked in. I mean just for turning up like a minute late 2332 01:04:53,434 --> 01:04:54,933 turning up like a minute late for goodness sake or getting a 2333 01:04:54,933 --> 01:04:57,434 for goodness sake or getting a spelling a word wrong uh was 2334 01:04:57,434 --> 01:04:58,800 spelling a word wrong uh was off the scale um would that be 2335 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,033 off the scale um would that be accessible now absolutely not 2336 01:05:00,033 --> 01:05:01,333 accessible now absolutely not did it make me a better 2337 01:05:01,333 --> 01:05:02,699 did it make me a better journalist? Uh yeah. I’m really 2338 01:05:02,699 --> 01:05:03,833 journalist? Uh yeah. I’m really annoyed it did and what I know 2339 01:05:03,833 --> 01:05:04,533 annoyed it did and what I know what I think that people should 2340 01:05:04,533 --> 01:05:06,299 what I think that people should have that happen to them now 2341 01:05:06,299 --> 01:05:07,167 have that happen to them now No, but the world the world has 2342 01:05:07,167 --> 01:05:09,299 No, but the world the world has changed massively, but the idea 2343 01:05:09,299 --> 01:05:10,900 changed massively, but the idea that the way someone spoken to 2344 01:05:10,900 --> 01:05:12,099 that the way someone spoken to you forces you to collapse if 2345 01:05:12,099 --> 01:05:13,167 you forces you to collapse if you’re a senior civil servant 2346 01:05:13,167 --> 01:05:14,400 you’re a senior civil servant in the home office, I mean. 2347 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,399 in the home office, I mean. Little frankly, I’m I’m a 2348 01:05:16,399 --> 01:05:17,467 Little frankly, I’m I’m a little bit disparaging that we 2349 01:05:17,467 --> 01:05:18,933 little bit disparaging that we do seem to have a situation 2350 01:05:18,933 --> 01:05:20,133 do seem to have a situation where the home secretary. I 2351 01:05:20,133 --> 01:05:21,434 where the home secretary. I mean we saw with Amber Rod when 2352 01:05:21,434 --> 01:05:22,634 mean we saw with Amber Rod when she was home secretary, they 2353 01:05:22,634 --> 01:05:24,000 she was home secretary, they have to carry the can if their 2354 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,466 have to carry the can if their officials get it wrong. We know 2355 01:05:25,466 --> 01:05:26,967 officials get it wrong. We know that Amber Rudd resigned as 2356 01:05:26,967 --> 01:05:28,767 that Amber Rudd resigned as home secretary because she lied 2357 01:05:28,767 --> 01:05:30,667 home secretary because she lied to the House of Commons about 2358 01:05:30,667 --> 01:05:31,966 to the House of Commons about the wind rush uh scandal about 2359 01:05:31,966 --> 01:05:33,333 the wind rush uh scandal about what happened the reason she 2360 01:05:33,333 --> 01:05:34,800 what happened the reason she was her officials briefed her 2361 01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:35,900 was her officials briefed her and gave her the wrong figures. 2362 01:05:35,900 --> 01:05:37,500 and gave her the wrong figures. We know that’s an absolute 2363 01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:38,767 We know that’s an absolute fact. that’s proven she was 2364 01:05:38,767 --> 01:05:41,200 fact. that’s proven she was given the wrong figures by her 2365 01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:42,533 given the wrong figures by her stuff. Those people are still 2366 01:05:42,533 --> 01:05:43,800 stuff. Those people are still employed by the civil service. 2367 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:44,467 employed by the civil service. They just got moved to other 2368 01:05:44,467 --> 01:05:45,434 They just got moved to other department. They you know they, 2369 01:05:45,434 --> 01:05:46,800 department. They you know they, they weren’t even properly 2370 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:47,967 they weren’t even properly reprimanded they didn’t get 2371 01:05:47,967 --> 01:05:48,900 reprimanded they didn’t get sacked. They weren’t you know 2372 01:05:48,900 --> 01:05:49,867 sacked. They weren’t you know public strung up, they weren’t 2373 01:05:49,867 --> 01:05:51,966 public strung up, they weren’t forced to re. Um it does seem 2374 01:05:51,966 --> 01:05:54,366 forced to re. Um it does seem to be one rule for ministers 2375 01:05:54,366 --> 01:05:55,734 to be one rule for ministers who are have to be accountable 2376 01:05:55,734 --> 01:05:56,467 who are have to be accountable for everything their department 2377 01:05:56,467 --> 01:05:58,366 for everything their department does, but for some reason the 2378 01:05:58,366 --> 01:05:59,267 does, but for some reason the civil servants in their 2379 01:05:59,267 --> 01:06:00,433 civil servants in their department don’t have to do 2380 01:06:00,433 --> 01:06:01,634 department don’t have to do what they’re told I mean I can 2381 01:06:01,634 --> 01:06:03,333 what they’re told I mean I can see why she would get 2382 01:06:03,333 --> 01:06:04,634 see why she would get frustrated well, it does seem 2383 01:06:04,634 --> 01:06:06,667 frustrated well, it does seem to be the case that the report 2384 01:06:06,667 --> 01:06:07,900 to be the case that the report will highlight failures within 2385 01:06:07,900 --> 01:06:10,267 will highlight failures within the home office to essentially 2386 01:06:10,267 --> 01:06:11,933 the home office to essentially as you say, get things done. so 2387 01:06:11,933 --> 01:06:14,767 as you say, get things done. so I think there is probably even 2388 01:06:14,767 --> 01:06:15,466 I think there is probably even acknowledgement in the report. 2389 01:06:15,466 --> 01:06:17,334 acknowledgement in the report. That’s Patel did have genuine 2390 01:06:17,334 --> 01:06:18,933 That’s Patel did have genuine frustrations The concern is how 2391 01:06:18,933 --> 01:06:21,434 frustrations The concern is how she react. To them, it’s worth 2392 01:06:21,434 --> 01:06:23,000 she react. To them, it’s worth noting as well, there has been 2393 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,301 noting as well, there has been a big change over in senior 2394 01:06:25,301 --> 01:06:25,866 a big change over in senior leadership in the home office, 2395 01:06:25,866 --> 01:06:27,900 leadership in the home office, probably as a result of some of 2396 01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:29,333 probably as a result of some of this concern that has come out 2397 01:06:29,333 --> 01:06:31,000 this concern that has come out about failure to carry out task 2398 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,467 about failure to carry out task and the reports I believe does 2399 01:06:32,467 --> 01:06:33,967 and the reports I believe does also say that things have 2400 01:06:33,967 --> 01:06:36,233 also say that things have improved dramatically recently 2401 01:06:36,233 --> 01:06:37,533 improved dramatically recently partly because Patel has been 2402 01:06:37,533 --> 01:06:39,100 partly because Patel has been told about her behavior that 2403 01:06:39,100 --> 01:06:40,301 told about her behavior that people have found unacceptable, 2404 01:06:40,301 --> 01:06:41,767 people have found unacceptable, but also because there is a new 2405 01:06:41,767 --> 01:06:43,034 but also because there is a new team in place. so she’s not 2406 01:06:43,034 --> 01:06:44,599 team in place. so she’s not getting as frustrated by them. 2407 01:06:44,599 --> 01:06:46,834 getting as frustrated by them. Um yeah, I mean you know but 2408 01:06:46,834 --> 01:06:47,834 Um yeah, I mean you know but again, I mean, let’s face it. 2409 01:06:47,834 --> 01:06:48,933 again, I mean, let’s face it. There are people like the 2410 01:06:48,933 --> 01:06:50,799 There are people like the David. Of this world are 2411 01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:53,299 David. Of this world are Justice justice secretary who 2412 01:06:53,299 --> 01:06:54,733 Justice justice secretary who are full of praise for John 2413 01:06:54,733 --> 01:06:56,334 are full of praise for John Burke when we had catego 2414 01:06:56,334 --> 01:06:57,434 Burke when we had catego evidence that he’d be based a 2415 01:06:57,434 --> 01:06:59,466 evidence that he’d be based a huge accusations of bullying of 2416 01:06:59,466 --> 01:07:00,567 huge accusations of bullying of his staff, huge numbers of 2417 01:07:00,567 --> 01:07:01,966 his staff, huge numbers of senior people, some a senior 2418 01:07:01,966 --> 01:07:03,333 senior people, some a senior military people who work for 2419 01:07:03,333 --> 01:07:05,533 military people who work for him who complained of bullying 2420 01:07:05,533 --> 01:07:06,967 him who complained of bullying um uh he was happy to praise 2421 01:07:06,967 --> 01:07:09,967 um uh he was happy to praise John Berk um but Bazaar um very 2422 01:07:09,967 --> 01:07:11,267 John Berk um but Bazaar um very unhappy with their pretty 2423 01:07:11,267 --> 01:07:13,334 unhappy with their pretty Patel. I mean it does that is 2424 01:07:13,334 --> 01:07:14,000 Patel. I mean it does that is that we need to take the 2425 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,700 that we need to take the politics out of this stuff. 2426 01:07:15,700 --> 01:07:17,800 politics out of this stuff. Don’t we well as you are saying 2427 01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,167 Don’t we well as you are saying to Steve, this always gets 2428 01:07:19,167 --> 01:07:20,467 to Steve, this always gets slightly muddy by the political 2429 01:07:20,467 --> 01:07:21,600 slightly muddy by the political elements. Labor have been 2430 01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,800 elements. Labor have been pushing for. Reports be 2431 01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,300 pushing for. Reports be bullied, They’re one of their 2432 01:07:25,300 --> 01:07:27,733 bullied, They’re one of their secretaries of state, says that 2433 01:07:27,733 --> 01:07:28,133 secretaries of state, says that the prime minister was 2434 01:07:28,133 --> 01:07:29,467 the prime minister was essentially endorsing bullying 2435 01:07:29,467 --> 01:07:31,034 essentially endorsing bullying if he didn’t get the report 2436 01:07:31,034 --> 01:07:32,000 if he didn’t get the report out. Now. Of course, we still 2437 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,634 out. Now. Of course, we still haven’t seen it, but in theory, 2438 01:07:34,634 --> 01:07:35,800 haven’t seen it, but in theory, I think that pressure may have 2439 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,500 I think that pressure may have worked and we may see it either 2440 01:07:37,500 --> 01:07:39,067 worked and we may see it either today or certainly over the 2441 01:07:39,067 --> 01:07:41,267 today or certainly over the next few days early into next 2442 01:07:41,267 --> 01:07:42,900 next few days early into next week, Okay well um let’s also 2443 01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:44,267 week, Okay well um let’s also talk about what’s uh might well 2444 01:07:44,267 --> 01:07:45,233 talk about what’s uh might well be happening next week. There 2445 01:07:45,233 --> 01:07:46,933 be happening next week. There have been some talk recent days 2446 01:07:46,933 --> 01:07:48,434 have been some talk recent days of a possible Brexit deal on 2447 01:07:48,434 --> 01:07:51,067 of a possible Brexit deal on Monday Uh then we’ve heard that 2448 01:07:51,067 --> 01:07:53,467 Monday Uh then we’ve heard that Macron another. Uh uh leaders 2449 01:07:53,467 --> 01:07:54,199 Macron another. Uh uh leaders have been saying that you know 2450 01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:56,200 have been saying that you know we need to ramp up our 2451 01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:57,434 we need to ramp up our preparations for that to be a 2452 01:07:57,434 --> 01:07:59,234 preparations for that to be a no deal uh and uh for the end 2453 01:07:59,234 --> 01:08:00,299 no deal uh and uh for the end of the transition period on the 2454 01:08:00,299 --> 01:08:01,434 of the transition period on the thirty-first of December to 2455 01:08:01,434 --> 01:08:02,967 thirty-first of December to come with no trade deal um and 2456 01:08:02,967 --> 01:08:04,399 come with no trade deal um and then, of course we’ve had a 2457 01:08:04,399 --> 01:08:07,734 then, of course we’ve had a official uh involved in this uh 2458 01:08:07,734 --> 01:08:08,467 official uh involved in this uh talks has now got tested 2459 01:08:08,467 --> 01:08:09,766 talks has now got tested positive for coveted everyone’s 2460 01:08:09,766 --> 01:08:12,233 positive for coveted everyone’s had to go uh into uh self 2461 01:08:12,233 --> 01:08:14,000 had to go uh into uh self isolation. uh does that mean 2462 01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,733 isolation. uh does that mean we’re not gonna get I mean 2463 01:08:15,733 --> 01:08:16,533 we’re not gonna get I mean given that the prime minister 2464 01:08:16,533 --> 01:08:17,766 given that the prime minister can apparently do his job 2465 01:08:17,766 --> 01:08:19,433 can apparently do his job zooming from the uh flatten uh 2466 01:08:19,433 --> 01:08:20,599 zooming from the uh flatten uh in eleven Downing Street uh 2467 01:08:20,599 --> 01:08:23,800 in eleven Downing Street uh does that. Mean that the Brexit 2468 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:25,300 does that. Mean that the Brexit negotiations can’t continue the 2469 01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:26,800 negotiations can’t continue the Brexit negotiations will 2470 01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,300 Brexit negotiations will continue and they will continue 2471 01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:30,000 continue and they will continue virtually over zoom adventure, 2472 01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,367 virtually over zoom adventure, essentially with all the the 2473 01:08:31,367 --> 01:08:33,967 essentially with all the the different going into isolation 2474 01:08:33,967 --> 01:08:35,600 different going into isolation as you say it probably will 2475 01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:37,867 as you say it probably will slow matters down as everyone 2476 01:08:37,867 --> 01:08:38,967 slow matters down as everyone who is working from home now 2477 01:08:38,967 --> 01:08:41,267 who is working from home now will know it is a little bit 2478 01:08:41,267 --> 01:08:43,034 will know it is a little bit less efficient to have everyone 2479 01:08:43,034 --> 01:08:43,767 less efficient to have everyone particularly on these large 2480 01:08:43,767 --> 01:08:44,500 particularly on these large meetings where you’re going 2481 01:08:44,500 --> 01:08:45,833 meetings where you’re going through something line by line 2482 01:08:45,833 --> 01:08:47,466 through something line by line there are numerous people on 2483 01:08:47,466 --> 01:08:48,299 there are numerous people on the call. It’s not just two 2484 01:08:48,299 --> 01:08:49,634 the call. It’s not just two people facing off against each 2485 01:08:49,634 --> 01:08:51,434 people facing off against each other. It will add an element. 2486 01:08:51,434 --> 01:08:52,967 other. It will add an element. Of difficulty, but it’s not the 2487 01:08:52,967 --> 01:08:54,734 Of difficulty, but it’s not the end of the world. It’s not 2488 01:08:54,734 --> 01:08:56,400 end of the world. It’s not fatal to the deal. Yeah okay. 2489 01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:57,933 fatal to the deal. Yeah okay. Well, we should keep our 2490 01:08:57,933 --> 01:08:58,867 Well, we should keep our fingers crossed. Thank you so 2491 01:08:58,867 --> 01:09:00,367 fingers crossed. Thank you so much for that. uh Charlotte I 2492 01:09:00,367 --> 01:09:01,734 much for that. uh Charlotte I took Radio’s political 2493 01:09:01,734 --> 01:09:02,800 took Radio’s political correspondent uh right now, 2494 01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:04,533 correspondent uh right now, let’s get the latest on the 2495 01:09:04,533 --> 01:09:06,867 let’s get the latest on the sport and uh sports never more 2496 01:09:06,867 --> 01:09:07,399 sport and uh sports never more political than it is now 2497 01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:08,800 political than it is now Scott’s joining us good 2498 01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:09,766 Scott’s joining us good morning. What have you got for 2499 01:09:09,766 --> 01:09:11,100 morning. What have you got for us today? Yeah. Well, let’s 2500 01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:12,299 us today? Yeah. Well, let’s start with um news that the 2501 01:09:12,299 --> 01:09:13,167 start with um news that the Football Association of 2502 01:09:13,167 --> 01:09:15,333 Football Association of Ireland, They’re investigating 2503 01:09:15,333 --> 01:09:17,034 Ireland, They’re investigating anti English uh video that was 2504 01:09:17,034 --> 01:09:19,167 anti English uh video that was shown to their players ahead of 2505 01:09:19,167 --> 01:09:20,700 shown to their players ahead of the friendly at Wembley. This 2506 01:09:20,700 --> 01:09:21,933 the friendly at Wembley. This island just checking Yup. This 2507 01:09:21,933 --> 01:09:23,599 island just checking Yup. This is the Republic of Ireland uh 2508 01:09:23,599 --> 01:09:25,500 is the Republic of Ireland uh their manager Steven. Kenny is 2509 01:09:25,500 --> 01:09:27,833 their manager Steven. Kenny is apparently facing a 2510 01:09:27,833 --> 01:09:29,034 apparently facing a disciplinary hearing is the 2511 01:09:29,034 --> 01:09:30,800 disciplinary hearing is the anti English what sort of thing 2512 01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:31,966 anti English what sort of thing well we we’re we’re not 2513 01:09:31,966 --> 01:09:33,667 well we we’re we’re not entirely obviously we haven’t 2514 01:09:33,667 --> 01:09:34,734 entirely obviously we haven’t seen the video There are 2515 01:09:34,734 --> 01:09:36,167 seen the video There are apparently reportedly 2516 01:09:36,167 --> 01:09:37,467 apparently reportedly references to the Irish famine 2517 01:09:37,467 --> 01:09:39,734 references to the Irish famine in 1916, Easter rising 2518 01:09:39,734 --> 01:09:42,300 in 1916, Easter rising sensitive issues in the in the 2519 01:09:42,300 --> 01:09:43,967 sensitive issues in the in the it’s from half Irish heritage. 2520 01:09:43,967 --> 01:09:46,399 it’s from half Irish heritage. I have to say good lord my my 2521 01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:47,900 I have to say good lord my my my that half of my uh my family 2522 01:09:47,900 --> 01:09:49,299 my that half of my uh my family people do like to hold back to 2523 01:09:49,299 --> 01:09:50,634 people do like to hold back to the past, but basically this 2524 01:09:50,634 --> 01:09:51,967 the past, but basically this was meant to sort of up the 2525 01:09:51,967 --> 01:09:53,167 was meant to sort of up the players to to really go for it. 2526 01:09:53,167 --> 01:09:55,766 players to to really go for it. Yes and what. Works Well, I 2527 01:09:55,766 --> 01:09:56,634 Yes and what. Works Well, I would have argued I would have 2528 01:09:56,634 --> 01:09:58,334 would have argued I would have thought that perhaps some sort 2529 01:09:58,334 --> 01:10:00,267 thought that perhaps some sort of tactical debrief would have 2530 01:10:00,267 --> 01:10:02,967 of tactical debrief would have perhaps worked better. They 2531 01:10:02,967 --> 01:10:04,300 perhaps worked better. They lost the game, three um and of 2532 01:10:04,300 --> 01:10:06,800 lost the game, three um and of course some of the uh the 2533 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,000 course some of the uh the Republic players live in 2534 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,301 Republic players live in England were born in England as 2535 01:10:10,301 --> 01:10:12,000 England were born in England as well, so it seems I mean we 2536 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,267 well, so it seems I mean we don’t know I’ve shown um we 2537 01:10:14,267 --> 01:10:15,067 don’t know I’ve shown um we don’t wanna prejudices 2538 01:10:15,067 --> 01:10:16,399 don’t wanna prejudices prejudices disciplinary hearing 2539 01:10:16,399 --> 01:10:18,399 prejudices disciplinary hearing that is happening today, but 2540 01:10:18,399 --> 01:10:19,300 that is happening today, but some of the players were said 2541 01:10:19,300 --> 01:10:20,334 some of the players were said to be quite shocked with what 2542 01:10:20,334 --> 01:10:22,267 to be quite shocked with what they saw in it and it didn’t 2543 01:10:22,267 --> 01:10:23,900 they saw in it and it didn’t work and it was stirring up a 2544 01:10:23,900 --> 01:10:25,301 work and it was stirring up a bit a bit of sort of anger and 2545 01:10:25,301 --> 01:10:26,766 bit a bit of sort of anger and aggression towards the opposing 2546 01:10:26,766 --> 01:10:29,299 aggression towards the opposing team awful. but yeah II won. 2547 01:10:29,299 --> 01:10:30,734 team awful. but yeah II won. Yeah, I wonder whether that is 2548 01:10:30,734 --> 01:10:32,000 Yeah, I wonder whether that is uh the best way of doing it and 2549 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,666 uh the best way of doing it and as it would look not didn’t 2550 01:10:33,666 --> 01:10:35,066 as it would look not didn’t work anywhere and his position 2551 01:10:35,066 --> 01:10:37,333 work anywhere and his position is somewhat shaky because in 2552 01:10:37,333 --> 01:10:38,966 is somewhat shaky because in his eight matches in charge, 2553 01:10:38,966 --> 01:10:40,066 his eight matches in charge, he’s he’s not won a single 2554 01:10:40,066 --> 01:10:42,301 he’s he’s not won a single match yet so this could be 2555 01:10:42,301 --> 01:10:45,334 match yet so this could be perhaps an excuse for the uh to 2556 01:10:45,334 --> 01:10:47,067 perhaps an excuse for the uh to look for. Yes, we make changes 2557 01:10:47,067 --> 01:10:49,234 look for. Yes, we make changes we get job in the home office. 2558 01:10:49,234 --> 01:10:50,767 we get job in the home office. um let’s let’s also talk about 2559 01:10:50,767 --> 01:10:53,066 um let’s let’s also talk about this sports bailout package uh 2560 01:10:53,066 --> 01:10:54,334 this sports bailout package uh discussing the other day 2561 01:10:54,334 --> 01:10:55,100 discussing the other day 300000000 pounds for the sports 2562 01:10:55,100 --> 01:10:56,234 300000000 pounds for the sports that just haven’t got the sort 2563 01:10:56,234 --> 01:10:57,834 that just haven’t got the sort of funding and the savings and 2564 01:10:57,834 --> 01:11:00,334 of funding and the savings and the. Cloud A to withstand not 2565 01:11:00,334 --> 01:11:02,500 the. Cloud A to withstand not having any paying fans coming 2566 01:11:02,500 --> 01:11:05,399 having any paying fans coming in um the government have had a 2567 01:11:05,399 --> 01:11:06,467 in um the government have had a little bit of criticism sports 2568 01:11:06,467 --> 01:11:07,933 little bit of criticism sports that they decided to bail out 2569 01:11:07,933 --> 01:11:08,533 that they decided to bail out rather than the ones they 2570 01:11:08,533 --> 01:11:09,634 rather than the ones they haven’t bailed out well as we 2571 01:11:09,634 --> 01:11:10,934 haven’t bailed out well as we mentioned yesterday, football 2572 01:11:10,934 --> 01:11:12,467 mentioned yesterday, football is not included in this is bail 2573 01:11:12,467 --> 01:11:14,267 is not included in this is bail out the big chunk of the 2574 01:11:14,267 --> 01:11:16,300 out the big chunk of the 300000000 Winter Rugby Union 2575 01:11:16,300 --> 01:11:18,567 300000000 Winter Rugby Union Rugby League also got some but 2576 01:11:18,567 --> 01:11:19,966 Rugby League also got some but horse racing got 40000000 as 2577 01:11:19,966 --> 01:11:21,434 horse racing got 40000000 as well, and there was a lot of 2578 01:11:21,434 --> 01:11:22,634 well, and there was a lot of criticism on social media. I 2579 01:11:22,634 --> 01:11:23,967 criticism on social media. I don’t know whether we should 2580 01:11:23,967 --> 01:11:25,366 don’t know whether we should take that as you know as fact, 2581 01:11:25,366 --> 01:11:26,367 take that as you know as fact, but a lot of criticism on 2582 01:11:26,367 --> 01:11:28,334 but a lot of criticism on social media. That the 2583 01:11:28,334 --> 01:11:29,933 social media. That the government was bailing out 2584 01:11:29,933 --> 01:11:32,267 government was bailing out So-called posh Sport racing 2585 01:11:32,267 --> 01:11:33,967 So-called posh Sport racing isn’t posh. I mean in terms of 2586 01:11:33,967 --> 01:11:35,967 isn’t posh. I mean in terms of people’s enjoyment of it, it’s 2587 01:11:35,967 --> 01:11:37,567 people’s enjoyment of it, it’s not I mean if I mean, I suppose 2588 01:11:37,567 --> 01:11:38,834 not I mean if I mean, I suppose if we’re banging out the cross 2589 01:11:38,834 --> 01:11:41,333 if we’re banging out the cross but not and I’ve got an issue. 2590 01:11:41,333 --> 01:11:42,133 but not and I’ve got an issue. But yeah, I mean this is the 2591 01:11:42,133 --> 01:11:43,966 But yeah, I mean this is the thing is that they’re I mean 2592 01:11:43,966 --> 01:11:44,599 thing is that they’re I mean rugby, we know just doesn’t 2593 01:11:44,599 --> 01:11:46,799 rugby, we know just doesn’t have the sort of money in it 2594 01:11:46,799 --> 01:11:48,366 have the sort of money in it The the men’s football has we 2595 01:11:48,366 --> 01:11:49,567 The the men’s football has we know women’s football was 2596 01:11:49,567 --> 01:11:51,967 know women’s football was involved in the You know the 2597 01:11:51,967 --> 01:11:53,533 involved in the You know the Big The big popular sports by 2598 01:11:53,533 --> 01:11:54,000 Big The big popular sports by definition, have got uh a 2599 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:55,533 definition, have got uh a little bit more leeway haven’t 2600 01:11:55,533 --> 01:11:56,167 little bit more leeway haven’t they than the other sport. Yeah 2601 01:11:56,167 --> 01:11:59,299 they than the other sport. Yeah of the 300. Rugby union 2602 01:11:59,299 --> 01:12:01,566 of the 300. Rugby union received 135 135000000 that’s 2603 01:12:01,566 --> 01:12:03,233 received 135 135000000 that’s gonna be split between the 2604 01:12:03,233 --> 01:12:05,434 gonna be split between the Premiership and the RA Rugby 2605 01:12:05,434 --> 01:12:07,500 Premiership and the RA Rugby League got some got some. We 2606 01:12:07,500 --> 01:12:09,800 League got some got some. We say horse racing got some 2607 01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,299 say horse racing got some women’s football got some um 2608 01:12:11,299 --> 01:12:13,867 women’s football got some um the Lawn Tennis Association as 2609 01:12:13,867 --> 01:12:15,334 the Lawn Tennis Association as well, got some uh so yes as 2610 01:12:15,334 --> 01:12:16,767 well, got some uh so yes as criticism that it was it was 2611 01:12:16,767 --> 01:12:17,967 criticism that it was it was aimed at posh The The 2612 01:12:17,967 --> 01:12:19,634 aimed at posh The The government have said that was 2613 01:12:19,634 --> 01:12:21,434 government have said that was just their winter package and 2614 01:12:21,434 --> 01:12:21,967 just their winter package and that there will be a new 2615 01:12:21,967 --> 01:12:23,500 that there will be a new package for summer sports is 2616 01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:24,834 package for summer sports is there calling because cricket 2617 01:12:24,834 --> 01:12:26,967 there calling because cricket was of course excluded as well 2618 01:12:26,967 --> 01:12:29,334 was of course excluded as well in Nigel Huddleston uh the 2619 01:12:29,334 --> 01:12:30,000 in Nigel Huddleston uh the Sports minister, saying the 2620 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,366 Sports minister, saying the money is not based on the need 2621 01:12:31,366 --> 01:12:32,467 money is not based on the need of the clubs to make sure they 2622 01:12:32,467 --> 01:12:33,767 of the clubs to make sure they survive. So it’s not. North 2623 01:12:33,767 --> 01:12:35,199 survive. So it’s not. North versus south. It’s not Tory 2624 01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:37,334 versus south. It’s not Tory versus labor. It’s it’s a 2625 01:12:37,334 --> 01:12:39,199 versus labor. It’s it’s a political uh but that has gone 2626 01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:40,300 political uh but that has gone down these things are always 2627 01:12:40,300 --> 01:12:41,767 down these things are always political. Okay. What do you 2628 01:12:41,767 --> 01:12:42,767 political. Okay. What do you mention tennis there and let’s 2629 01:12:42,767 --> 01:12:45,367 mention tennis there and let’s uh talk about this weekend’s at 2630 01:12:45,367 --> 01:12:46,033 uh talk about this weekend’s at tennis finals in London. Yeah. 2631 01:12:46,033 --> 01:12:47,267 tennis finals in London. Yeah. they’ve been there for 15 years 2632 01:12:47,267 --> 01:12:49,399 they’ve been there for 15 years at the O two arena, the big 2633 01:12:49,399 --> 01:12:50,767 at the O two arena, the big sort of end of season finale on 2634 01:12:50,767 --> 01:12:51,567 sort of end of season finale on the men’s tour, the top eight 2635 01:12:51,567 --> 01:12:53,399 the men’s tour, the top eight players over the last 12 2636 01:12:53,399 --> 01:12:53,967 players over the last 12 months, get together uh and 2637 01:12:53,967 --> 01:12:55,234 months, get together uh and then flash it out over the 2638 01:12:55,234 --> 01:12:56,567 then flash it out over the course of a week. It’s going to 2639 01:12:56,567 --> 01:12:58,767 course of a week. It’s going to cheer in uh next year. so it’s 2640 01:12:58,767 --> 01:13:00,533 cheer in uh next year. so it’s not quite the uh the big finale 2641 01:13:00,533 --> 01:13:01,234 not quite the uh the big finale that London would would have 2642 01:13:01,234 --> 01:13:04,267 that London would would have been hoping for no. Of course, 2643 01:13:04,267 --> 01:13:05,967 been hoping for no. Of course, uh we mentioned novack losing 2644 01:13:05,967 --> 01:13:07,700 uh we mentioned novack losing uh a couple of days ago, but 2645 01:13:07,700 --> 01:13:08,933 uh a couple of days ago, but Rafael Nadal is still there. He 2646 01:13:08,933 --> 01:13:09,966 Rafael Nadal is still there. He reached the semi-finals with a 2647 01:13:09,966 --> 01:13:12,467 reached the semi-finals with a victory over Stefano sits the 2648 01:13:12,467 --> 01:13:14,033 victory over Stefano sits the defending champion uh yesterday 2649 01:13:14,033 --> 01:13:15,434 defending champion uh yesterday he’ll take on Daniel me in the 2650 01:13:15,434 --> 01:13:17,234 he’ll take on Daniel me in the semi finals. Okay Love you. 2651 01:13:17,234 --> 01:13:19,434 semi finals. Okay Love you. Thank you very much. Indeed. 2652 01:13:19,434 --> 01:13:20,301 Thank you very much. Indeed. that’s got that with the sport 2653 01:13:20,301 --> 01:13:21,067 that’s got that with the sport uh coming up. We’re gonna be 2654 01:13:21,067 --> 01:13:22,199 uh coming up. 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Radio Julia Hartley 2793 01:18:11,966 --> 01:18:14,901 radio. Radio Julia Hartley brewer at breakfast on to radio 2794 01:18:14,901 --> 01:18:16,867 brewer at breakfast on to radio Good morning to you. This is 2795 01:18:16,867 --> 01:18:17,334 Good morning to you. This is breakfast with me. Julia Honey 2796 01:18:17,334 --> 01:18:19,034 breakfast with me. Julia Honey Steve Allen with me comedian 2797 01:18:19,034 --> 01:18:20,234 Steve Allen with me comedian and a former chemist. I’ve got 2798 01:18:20,234 --> 01:18:21,567 and a former chemist. I’ve got so much more to talk about 2799 01:18:21,567 --> 01:18:23,133 so much more to talk about today. I’m talking a lot about 2800 01:18:23,133 --> 01:18:24,966 today. I’m talking a lot about public sector pay freezes uh 2801 01:18:24,966 --> 01:18:26,500 public sector pay freezes uh and you know pretty Patel 2802 01:18:26,500 --> 01:18:28,133 and you know pretty Patel bullying report also want to 2803 01:18:28,133 --> 01:18:30,300 bullying report also want to talk about uh this uh hoes 2804 01:18:30,300 --> 01:18:30,900 talk about uh this uh hoes Fairy Tale of New York so uh 2805 01:18:30,900 --> 01:18:32,766 Fairy Tale of New York so uh that radio would have decided 2806 01:18:32,766 --> 01:18:34,299 that radio would have decided to effectively censor because 2807 01:18:34,299 --> 01:18:35,833 to effectively censor because people get upset about the 2808 01:18:35,833 --> 01:18:36,999 people get upset about the wounds. Uh we’re gonna be 2809 01:18:36,999 --> 01:18:38,567 wounds. Uh we’re gonna be talking about that as well well 2810 01:18:38,567 --> 01:18:39,399 talking about that as well well coming up very First up, let’s 2811 01:18:39,399 --> 01:18:40,967 coming up very First up, let’s talk about the prospect. Well, 2812 01:18:40,967 --> 01:18:42,766 talk about the prospect. Well, getting this vaccines on the 2813 01:18:42,766 --> 01:18:44,267 getting this vaccines on the market and getting them rolled 2814 01:18:44,267 --> 01:18:45,167 market and getting them rolled out a million people a day. 2815 01:18:45,167 --> 01:18:45,966 out a million people a day. That’s what the sun’s Reporting 2816 01:18:45,966 --> 01:18:47,567 That’s what the sun’s Reporting today. Let’s talk to Professor 2817 01:18:47,567 --> 01:18:49,367 today. Let’s talk to Professor here Pennington’s professor of 2818 01:18:49,367 --> 01:18:51,767 here Pennington’s professor of spec at Aberdeen University 2819 01:18:51,767 --> 01:18:52,900 spec at Aberdeen University Good morning here. Hi there. Hi 2820 01:18:52,900 --> 01:18:53,967 Good morning here. Hi there. Hi Hi there. Um I mean all very 2821 01:18:53,967 --> 01:18:55,399 Hi there. Um I mean all very promising. isn’t it three 2822 01:18:55,399 --> 01:18:56,267 promising. isn’t it three vaccines looking like they’re 2823 01:18:56,267 --> 01:18:57,834 vaccines looking like they’re on the cards uh very soon so 2824 01:18:57,834 --> 01:18:59,467 on the cards uh very soon so the Fisa one could be uh you 2825 01:18:59,467 --> 01:19:00,500 the Fisa one could be uh you know a couple of weeks and they 2826 01:19:00,500 --> 01:19:01,966 know a couple of weeks and they say basically within hours of 2827 01:19:01,966 --> 01:19:03,434 say basically within hours of it getting approval, they can 2828 01:19:03,434 --> 01:19:04,867 it getting approval, they can have it. You know uh in 2829 01:19:04,867 --> 01:19:06,267 have it. You know uh in doctor’s surgeries ready for 2830 01:19:06,267 --> 01:19:08,334 doctor’s surgeries ready for for to get the vaccinations uh 2831 01:19:08,334 --> 01:19:09,966 for to get the vaccinations uh Oxford University vaccine are 2832 01:19:09,966 --> 01:19:10,533 Oxford University vaccine are coming very soon. We that we 2833 01:19:10,533 --> 01:19:12,467 coming very soon. We that we know that the uh the Madonna 2834 01:19:12,467 --> 01:19:13,067 know that the uh the Madonna one from America, we wouldn’t 2835 01:19:13,067 --> 01:19:14,533 one from America, we wouldn’t be able to get hold of it until 2836 01:19:14,533 --> 01:19:18,800 be able to get hold of it until uh uh Europe. Next Easter um 2837 01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,000 uh uh Europe. Next Easter um lots of very promising news. 2838 01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,766 lots of very promising news. Now we got to talk about 2839 01:19:21,766 --> 01:19:23,800 Now we got to talk about 1000000 a day getting 2840 01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:24,467 1000000 a day getting vaccinated recruiting 40000 2841 01:19:24,467 --> 01:19:25,933 vaccinated recruiting 40000 extra 40000 extra to do his 2842 01:19:25,933 --> 01:19:27,133 extra 40000 extra to do his vaccinations is that do you 2843 01:19:27,133 --> 01:19:29,900 vaccinations is that do you believe it remotely feasible 2844 01:19:29,900 --> 01:19:32,267 believe it remotely feasible and viable II. I’m extremely 2845 01:19:32,267 --> 01:19:33,667 and viable II. I’m extremely surprised if it happened. I 2846 01:19:33,667 --> 01:19:35,800 surprised if it happened. I mean, okay, everybody’s pushing 2847 01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,834 mean, okay, everybody’s pushing to get the vaccine um delivered 2848 01:19:38,834 --> 01:19:41,634 to get the vaccine um delivered um there’s a question about how 2849 01:19:41,634 --> 01:19:43,467 um there’s a question about how many are gonna go get it and 2850 01:19:43,467 --> 01:19:44,767 many are gonna go get it and who’s gonna get it uh because 2851 01:19:44,767 --> 01:19:47,634 who’s gonna get it uh because it’s gonna. I think uh faced in 2852 01:19:47,634 --> 01:19:49,567 it’s gonna. I think uh faced in the way that uh I might expect 2853 01:19:49,567 --> 01:19:50,967 the way that uh I might expect that you know people in care 2854 01:19:50,967 --> 01:19:52,301 that you know people in care homes will get it uh health 2855 01:19:52,301 --> 01:19:53,966 homes will get it uh health care workers will get it in the 2856 01:19:53,966 --> 01:19:56,334 care workers will get it in the 80s and then we’ll move down 2857 01:19:56,334 --> 01:19:57,833 80s and then we’ll move down the age groups because clearly 2858 01:19:57,833 --> 01:20:01,299 the age groups because clearly that this virus is very unusual 2859 01:20:01,299 --> 01:20:03,299 that this virus is very unusual uh in that it it, you know the 2860 01:20:03,299 --> 01:20:05,833 uh in that it it, you know the Syria affects the virus are 2861 01:20:05,833 --> 01:20:07,233 Syria affects the virus are direct relief to your age. so 2862 01:20:07,233 --> 01:20:09,434 direct relief to your age. so that’s the right way to do it, 2863 01:20:09,434 --> 01:20:11,334 that’s the right way to do it, but on the other hand, um the 2864 01:20:11,334 --> 01:20:13,067 but on the other hand, um the logistics um well, you know 2865 01:20:13,067 --> 01:20:14,234 logistics um well, you know this year, we haven’t been as 2866 01:20:14,234 --> 01:20:17,967 this year, we haven’t been as good at. Logistics I think 2867 01:20:17,967 --> 01:20:19,533 good at. Logistics I think you’re making a very fair 2868 01:20:19,533 --> 01:20:20,634 you’re making a very fair reasonable point to that. I 2869 01:20:20,634 --> 01:20:21,567 reasonable point to that. I think a lot of people would I 2870 01:20:21,567 --> 01:20:23,133 think a lot of people would I mean again we wanna be 2871 01:20:23,133 --> 01:20:24,767 mean again we wanna be optimistic but it is it is 2872 01:20:24,767 --> 01:20:26,767 optimistic but it is it is easier to roll out a vaccine 2873 01:20:26,767 --> 01:20:27,567 easier to roll out a vaccine that’s already made and just 2874 01:20:27,567 --> 01:20:28,766 that’s already made and just literally like in rejected it 2875 01:20:28,766 --> 01:20:30,000 literally like in rejected it easier to do that and to train 2876 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:31,434 easier to do that and to train people to do it and that 2877 01:20:31,434 --> 01:20:33,800 people to do it and that process is easier quicker than 2878 01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,333 process is easier quicker than it is to do swab testing and 2879 01:20:35,333 --> 01:20:36,467 it is to do swab testing and get those back into the labs 2880 01:20:36,467 --> 01:20:37,899 get those back into the labs and get them processed to get 2881 01:20:37,899 --> 01:20:39,300 and get them processed to get the results out there. There is 2882 01:20:39,300 --> 01:20:41,034 the results out there. There is an odd that this could be a 2883 01:20:41,034 --> 01:20:42,599 an odd that this could be a simpler process than than the 2884 01:20:42,599 --> 01:20:47,200 simpler process than than the swabbing well. One has the 2885 01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:48,267 swabbing well. One has the disadvantage that you know the 2886 01:20:48,267 --> 01:20:50,300 disadvantage that you know the initial stocks have to be kept 2887 01:20:50,300 --> 01:20:52,567 initial stocks have to be kept at minus eighty and now that’s 2888 01:20:52,567 --> 01:20:53,834 at minus eighty and now that’s not a technical issue in the 2889 01:20:53,834 --> 01:20:56,267 not a technical issue in the sense that you can, you can buy 2890 01:20:56,267 --> 01:20:58,000 sense that you can, you can buy a seventeen minus eighty 2891 01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:58,799 a seventeen minus eighty freezer, but you’re gonna have 2892 01:20:58,799 --> 01:20:59,900 freezer, but you’re gonna have them Yeah and you’re gonna have 2893 01:20:59,900 --> 01:21:00,800 them Yeah and you’re gonna have in the right place and you 2894 01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:02,399 in the right place and you gotta make sure that they 2895 01:21:02,399 --> 01:21:03,633 gotta make sure that they maintain and you gotta make 2896 01:21:03,633 --> 01:21:05,800 maintain and you gotta make sure that then the vaccines are 2897 01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:06,834 sure that then the vaccines are taken out and put up the right 2898 01:21:06,834 --> 01:21:09,934 taken out and put up the right temperature wants to be uh with 2899 01:21:09,934 --> 01:21:12,033 temperature wants to be uh with something at minus eight. but 2900 01:21:12,033 --> 01:21:14,300 something at minus eight. but also I mean no. Two jobs and 2901 01:21:14,300 --> 01:21:15,733 also I mean no. Two jobs and it’s one thing I mean, I know 2902 01:21:15,733 --> 01:21:17,267 it’s one thing I mean, I know that GP is having a rig issue. 2903 01:21:17,267 --> 01:21:18,599 that GP is having a rig issue. We’re getting moms in the 2904 01:21:18,599 --> 01:21:19,933 We’re getting moms in the babies who need a booster job 2905 01:21:19,933 --> 01:21:20,999 babies who need a booster job or they’ve had the first one 2906 01:21:20,999 --> 01:21:22,300 or they’ve had the first one and then they take that off 2907 01:21:22,300 --> 01:21:23,800 and then they take that off their list uh mentally and that 2908 01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:25,067 their list uh mentally and that don’t get back to the second 2909 01:21:25,067 --> 01:21:26,267 don’t get back to the second one. um talk us through what 2910 01:21:26,267 --> 01:21:28,867 one. um talk us through what happens in terms of um, let’s 2911 01:21:28,867 --> 01:21:30,299 happens in terms of um, let’s just say uh within a couple of 2912 01:21:30,299 --> 01:21:33,800 just say uh within a couple of months, fingers crossed um 2913 01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,233 months, fingers crossed um we’ve got um most of the you 2914 01:21:35,233 --> 01:21:36,833 we’ve got um most of the you know they’re very ill and 2915 01:21:36,833 --> 01:21:38,301 know they’re very ill and elderly people in care homes 2916 01:21:38,301 --> 01:21:39,834 elderly people in care homes over 80s vaccinated, they are 2917 01:21:39,834 --> 01:21:41,967 over 80s vaccinated, they are by far the highest risk. That’s 2918 01:21:41,967 --> 01:21:42,734 by far the highest risk. That’s what the risk really really 2919 01:21:42,734 --> 01:21:44,133 what the risk really really starts sitting um or even over 2920 01:21:44,133 --> 01:21:46,300 starts sitting um or even over 70s. In a few months after that 2921 01:21:46,300 --> 01:21:48,633 70s. In a few months after that at that point could we be 2922 01:21:48,633 --> 01:21:49,767 at that point could we be justified and all go back to 2923 01:21:49,767 --> 01:21:51,334 justified and all go back to normal or do we need to wait 2924 01:21:51,334 --> 01:21:54,000 normal or do we need to wait until you know 8090 percent of 2925 01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,299 until you know 8090 percent of the population overall, 2926 01:21:55,299 --> 01:21:56,734 the population overall, including the uh 20 year olds 2927 01:21:56,734 --> 01:21:58,000 including the uh 20 year olds and five-year olds have 2928 01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,367 and five-year olds have vaccinated before we can go 2929 01:21:59,367 --> 01:22:00,800 vaccinated before we can go back to normal life Well, 2930 01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,000 back to normal life Well, that’s the big question. I 2931 01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,634 that’s the big question. I mean, basically this vaccine is 2932 01:22:04,634 --> 01:22:05,867 mean, basically this vaccine is going to be used well. The 2933 01:22:05,867 --> 01:22:06,467 going to be used well. The vaccines are used for two in 2934 01:22:06,467 --> 01:22:08,834 vaccines are used for two in two different ways. One is to 2935 01:22:08,834 --> 01:22:10,334 two different ways. One is to is to protect people uh like 2936 01:22:10,334 --> 01:22:12,500 is to protect people uh like the Tesla germ you know if you 2937 01:22:12,500 --> 01:22:13,100 the Tesla germ you know if you get a wound and you get solid 2938 01:22:13,100 --> 01:22:14,599 get a wound and you get solid in it and you might get 2939 01:22:14,599 --> 01:22:16,900 in it and you might get tightness and you have a job to 2940 01:22:16,900 --> 01:22:18,000 tightness and you have a job to protect you against that. we we 2941 01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,434 protect you against that. we we all have that um you know 2942 01:22:19,434 --> 01:22:21,767 all have that um you know early. Live from so on, and 2943 01:22:21,767 --> 01:22:22,999 early. Live from so on, and that doesn’t actually get rid 2944 01:22:22,999 --> 01:22:24,533 that doesn’t actually get rid of the bug. The bug is still 2945 01:22:24,533 --> 01:22:26,133 of the bug. The bug is still out there now um the first 2946 01:22:26,133 --> 01:22:28,267 out there now um the first phase of this vaccination will 2947 01:22:28,267 --> 01:22:29,966 phase of this vaccination will be to protect people just as no 2948 01:22:29,966 --> 01:22:32,033 be to protect people just as no way that a terrorist and 2949 01:22:32,033 --> 01:22:33,334 way that a terrorist and protect you against getting out 2950 01:22:33,334 --> 01:22:35,900 protect you against getting out a wound infection It stops the 2951 01:22:35,900 --> 01:22:37,233 a wound infection It stops the body effects of that happening, 2952 01:22:37,233 --> 01:22:38,000 body effects of that happening, which is why we’re going for 2953 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,967 which is why we’re going for the elderly and then, of 2954 01:22:39,967 --> 01:22:40,667 the elderly and then, of course, the health care workers 2955 01:22:40,667 --> 01:22:43,933 course, the health care workers are much risk as well And then 2956 01:22:43,933 --> 01:22:45,301 are much risk as well And then we have to worry about what we 2957 01:22:45,301 --> 01:22:46,933 we have to worry about what we don’t have to worry about the 2958 01:22:46,933 --> 01:22:48,133 don’t have to worry about the population would like to the 2959 01:22:48,133 --> 01:22:49,899 population would like to the vaccine being used. Stop the 2960 01:22:49,899 --> 01:22:51,500 vaccine being used. Stop the virus dead in its tracks get 2961 01:22:51,500 --> 01:22:53,233 virus dead in its tracks get rid of it so that we can then 2962 01:22:53,233 --> 01:22:56,301 rid of it so that we can then go back to the old normal Now. 2963 01:22:56,301 --> 01:22:57,599 go back to the old normal Now. That is a big question in the 2964 01:22:57,599 --> 01:22:59,034 That is a big question in the sense sense of how many do you 2965 01:22:59,034 --> 01:23:00,500 sense sense of how many do you have to vaccinate to get to 2966 01:23:00,500 --> 01:23:02,999 have to vaccinate to get to that position. And that’s when 2967 01:23:02,999 --> 01:23:04,533 that position. And that’s when really the general population 2968 01:23:04,533 --> 01:23:05,967 really the general population comes in cuz a lot of people 2969 01:23:05,967 --> 01:23:07,067 comes in cuz a lot of people are gonna have to be 2970 01:23:07,067 --> 01:23:08,467 are gonna have to be vaccinated. They don’t actually 2971 01:23:08,467 --> 01:23:09,767 vaccinated. They don’t actually need protection. They need it 2972 01:23:09,767 --> 01:23:11,234 need protection. They need it to protect other people. Yeah. 2973 01:23:11,234 --> 01:23:12,567 to protect other people. Yeah. and that’s the key thing isn’t 2974 01:23:12,567 --> 01:23:13,799 and that’s the key thing isn’t it. That’s where I think a lot 2975 01:23:13,799 --> 01:23:14,500 it. That’s where I think a lot of people are holding out a 2976 01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:15,199 of people are holding out a little bit too much hope that 2977 01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:17,301 little bit too much hope that oh, we just get this small 2978 01:23:17,301 --> 01:23:18,000 oh, we just get this small number of people get a the 2979 01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:19,100 number of people get a the people who need protection 2980 01:23:19,100 --> 01:23:20,267 people who need protection isn’t to small number of 2981 01:23:20,267 --> 01:23:21,899 isn’t to small number of people. um we are talking many 2982 01:23:21,899 --> 01:23:23,133 people. um we are talking many millions uh but the fact that 2983 01:23:23,133 --> 01:23:23,967 millions uh but the fact that it’s gonna take longer to roll 2984 01:23:23,967 --> 01:23:25,766 it’s gonna take longer to roll out to everybody isn’t it. Also 2985 01:23:25,766 --> 01:23:28,300 out to everybody isn’t it. Also talk about Moss um a long 2986 01:23:28,300 --> 01:23:29,967 talk about Moss um a long awaited Danish study into the 2987 01:23:29,967 --> 01:23:31,067 awaited Danish study into the efficacy of mask wearing and 2988 01:23:31,067 --> 01:23:32,400 efficacy of mask wearing and whether or not that does 2989 01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:33,767 whether or not that does actually uh stop the virus 2990 01:23:33,767 --> 01:23:36,467 actually uh stop the virus being transmitted finally been 2991 01:23:36,467 --> 01:23:37,299 being transmitted finally been published as they spent weeks 2992 01:23:37,299 --> 01:23:39,434 published as they spent weeks and weeks and weeks uh with 2993 01:23:39,434 --> 01:23:41,234 and weeks and weeks uh with virtually every single major uh 2994 01:23:41,234 --> 01:23:42,867 virtually every single major uh medical uh magazine and 2995 01:23:42,867 --> 01:23:44,399 medical uh magazine and publication like the laws and 2996 01:23:44,399 --> 01:23:45,800 publication like the laws and others refusing to publish a 2997 01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:47,634 others refusing to publish a study it has now after being 2998 01:23:47,634 --> 01:23:49,899 study it has now after being leaked has not been studied and 2999 01:23:49,899 --> 01:23:51,733 leaked has not been studied and it is basically George suburbs 3000 01:23:51,733 --> 01:23:53,399 it is basically George suburbs is it is basically found that 3001 01:23:53,399 --> 01:23:56,634 is it is basically found that there is really a. Noticeable 3002 01:23:56,634 --> 01:23:58,766 there is really a. Noticeable significant uh a verifiable 3003 01:23:58,766 --> 01:24:00,334 significant uh a verifiable effect on people wearing mask 3004 01:24:00,334 --> 01:24:02,234 effect on people wearing mask or not wearing mask in terms of 3005 01:24:02,234 --> 01:24:03,334 or not wearing mask in terms of them are being at higher risk 3006 01:24:03,334 --> 01:24:04,767 them are being at higher risk of the virus. They basically 3007 01:24:04,767 --> 01:24:06,000 of the virus. They basically had a control study of people 3008 01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,667 had a control study of people working in a supermarket in the 3009 01:24:07,667 --> 01:24:09,800 working in a supermarket in the in in Denmark um and they have 3010 01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,767 in in Denmark um and they have 3000 participants and people 3011 01:24:11,767 --> 01:24:13,800 3000 participants and people were told to wear masks or not 3012 01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,299 were told to wear masks or not wear mask um and uh and so it’s 3013 01:24:16,299 --> 01:24:17,267 wear mask um and uh and so it’s was facts We randomized control 3014 01:24:17,267 --> 01:24:19,199 was facts We randomized control trial, but it’s the highest 3015 01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:20,900 trial, but it’s the highest quality scientific evidence We 3016 01:24:20,900 --> 01:24:22,799 quality scientific evidence We have yet so far what is shown 3017 01:24:22,799 --> 01:24:24,599 have yet so far what is shown is that for the person where? 3018 01:24:24,599 --> 01:24:25,966 is that for the person where? The mask there is really no 3019 01:24:25,966 --> 01:24:27,334 The mask there is really no difference whatsoever in terms 3020 01:24:27,334 --> 01:24:28,900 difference whatsoever in terms of their risk of contracting 3021 01:24:28,900 --> 01:24:32,333 of their risk of contracting the virus, however, um the the 3022 01:24:32,333 --> 01:24:32,900 the virus, however, um the the the what it doesn’t show 3023 01:24:32,900 --> 01:24:34,066 the what it doesn’t show because it be impossible to 3024 01:24:34,066 --> 01:24:35,300 because it be impossible to carry out this test is whether 3025 01:24:35,300 --> 01:24:37,067 carry out this test is whether or not it puts other people at 3026 01:24:37,067 --> 01:24:38,533 or not it puts other people at lower risk if you wear a mask. 3027 01:24:38,533 --> 01:24:40,667 lower risk if you wear a mask. but what do you make of this uh 3028 01:24:40,667 --> 01:24:42,301 but what do you make of this uh not only this study being 3029 01:24:42,301 --> 01:24:43,533 not only this study being published how little coverage 3030 01:24:43,533 --> 01:24:45,100 published how little coverage it seems to have had because my 3031 01:24:45,100 --> 01:24:47,366 it seems to have had because my god if it if it said yes, 100%. 3032 01:24:47,366 --> 01:24:48,334 god if it if it said yes, 100%. this keeps people saying I’ll 3033 01:24:48,334 --> 01:24:49,833 this keeps people saying I’ll be all over the front pages and 3034 01:24:49,833 --> 01:24:50,733 be all over the front pages and the fact that um these peer 3035 01:24:50,733 --> 01:24:52,000 the fact that um these peer review journals medical 3036 01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:56,467 review journals medical journals refuse to accept this. 3037 01:25:23,834 --> 01:25:25,233 A mask you know, everybody can 3038 01:25:25,233 --> 01:25:26,500 A mask you know, everybody can see that you’re wearing one and 3039 01:25:26,500 --> 01:25:27,933 see that you’re wearing one and everybody can see if you’re not 3040 01:25:27,933 --> 01:25:30,267 everybody can see if you’re not all that kind of stuff. I’m not 3041 01:25:30,267 --> 01:25:31,733 all that kind of stuff. I’m not surprised by the results that 3042 01:25:31,733 --> 01:25:33,400 surprised by the results that basically I think the general 3043 01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:35,399 basically I think the general view of uncertain is that 3044 01:25:35,399 --> 01:25:36,133 view of uncertain is that wearing a mask if you’ve got 3045 01:25:36,133 --> 01:25:38,467 wearing a mask if you’ve got the virus makes it much less 3046 01:25:38,467 --> 01:25:40,000 the virus makes it much less likely well, it makes it less 3047 01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:41,634 likely well, it makes it less likely you’re gonna infect 3048 01:25:41,634 --> 01:25:43,700 likely you’re gonna infect somebody but if you’re wearing 3049 01:25:43,700 --> 01:25:45,267 somebody but if you’re wearing a mask to protect yourself, 3050 01:25:45,267 --> 01:25:49,067 a mask to protect yourself, it’s much less um satisfactory 3051 01:25:49,067 --> 01:25:50,333 it’s much less um satisfactory in that respect, particularly 3052 01:25:50,333 --> 01:25:51,733 in that respect, particularly the way people wear masks 3053 01:25:51,733 --> 01:25:56,867 the way people wear masks there. That that my time uh 3054 01:25:56,867 --> 01:25:57,334 there. That that my time uh some beneficial effect that 3055 01:25:57,334 --> 01:25:58,700 some beneficial effect that there are some who say that 3056 01:25:58,700 --> 01:26:01,199 there are some who say that well, they may not even be a 3057 01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:02,800 well, they may not even be a good thing that under certain 3058 01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,133 good thing that under certain circumstances so wearing a mask 3059 01:26:04,133 --> 01:26:06,334 circumstances so wearing a mask is not particularly protective 3060 01:26:06,334 --> 01:26:07,100 is not particularly protective and just think about it, you 3061 01:26:07,100 --> 01:26:08,834 and just think about it, you know, there’s a there’s a gap 3062 01:26:08,834 --> 01:26:10,767 know, there’s a there’s a gap around the edges and it falls 3063 01:26:10,767 --> 01:26:13,267 around the edges and it falls off your face or you’re not 3064 01:26:13,267 --> 01:26:14,500 off your face or you’re not having it um covering your nose 3065 01:26:14,500 --> 01:26:16,799 having it um covering your nose and we know that the virus 3066 01:26:16,799 --> 01:26:17,434 and we know that the virus basically likes living up 3067 01:26:17,434 --> 01:26:18,767 basically likes living up people’s noses and all that 3068 01:26:18,767 --> 01:26:20,000 people’s noses and all that kind of thing and that’s the 3069 01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:21,767 kind of thing and that’s the place where it gets humans, But 3070 01:26:21,767 --> 01:26:22,999 place where it gets humans, But the key thing is we need 3071 01:26:22,999 --> 01:26:24,967 the key thing is we need Wendy’s. There are studies 3072 01:26:24,967 --> 01:26:26,267 Wendy’s. There are studies showing that the latest most 3073 01:26:26,267 --> 01:26:27,234 showing that the latest most comprehensive evidence we 3074 01:26:27,234 --> 01:26:28,234 comprehensive evidence we should be told about it. 3075 01:26:28,234 --> 01:26:30,766 should be told about it. shouldn’t we. Well, I think I 3076 01:26:30,766 --> 01:26:32,000 shouldn’t we. Well, I think I think so really and I think it 3077 01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,300 think so really and I think it should be done in a way that 3078 01:26:34,300 --> 01:26:35,967 should be done in a way that basically convince people that 3079 01:26:35,967 --> 01:26:38,334 basically convince people that yes wearing masks is a very 3080 01:26:38,334 --> 01:26:39,767 yes wearing masks is a very good thing if you’ve got the 3081 01:26:39,767 --> 01:26:41,399 good thing if you’ve got the virus uh because it makes it a 3082 01:26:41,399 --> 01:26:43,067 virus uh because it makes it a bit less likely or less like 3083 01:26:43,067 --> 01:26:45,434 bit less likely or less like hard to say precisely, but it 3084 01:26:45,434 --> 01:26:46,766 hard to say precisely, but it does reduce the risk that 3085 01:26:46,766 --> 01:26:47,834 does reduce the risk that you’re going to affect other 3086 01:26:47,834 --> 01:26:49,067 you’re going to affect other people. Yeah. And that’s the 3087 01:26:49,067 --> 01:26:50,399 people. Yeah. And that’s the that’s the key we will have to 3088 01:26:50,399 --> 01:26:51,234 that’s the key we will have to leave it there. I’m so sorry I 3089 01:26:51,234 --> 01:26:52,000 leave it there. I’m so sorry I could talk to you forever, but 3090 01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,434 could talk to you forever, but first you Pennington. Thank you 3091 01:26:54,434 --> 01:26:57,100 first you Pennington. Thank you very much indeed uh 759 is the 3092 01:26:57,100 --> 01:26:57,700 very much indeed uh 759 is the time you can watch the show 3093 01:26:57,700 --> 01:26:58,867 time you can watch the show live. We’re streaming on 3094 01:26:58,867 --> 01:27:00,933 live. We’re streaming on YouTube, Twitter and Facebook. 3095 01:27:00,933 --> 01:27:03,933 YouTube, Twitter and Facebook. This is talk Radio Talk Radio. 3096 01:27:03,933 --> 01:27:05,400 This is talk Radio Talk Radio. 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Find out more at driven chat.com across the 3196 01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:04,766 at driven chat.com across the UK online and on D talk radio 3197 01:30:04,766 --> 01:30:07,466 UK online and on D talk radio on the hour Headlines Good 3198 01:30:07,466 --> 01:30:08,799 on the hour Headlines Good morning. I’m Ross Powell on the 3199 01:30:08,799 --> 01:30:10,333 morning. I’m Ross Powell on the way at eight health secretary 3200 01:30:10,333 --> 01:30:12,000 way at eight health secretary defense, but inquiry findings 3201 01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:13,967 defense, but inquiry findings could millions of public sector 3202 01:30:13,967 --> 01:30:15,399 could millions of public sector workers face a pay freeze and 3203 01:30:15,399 --> 01:30:17,800 workers face a pay freeze and Joe Biden declare victorious in 3204 01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:21,034 Joe Biden declare victorious in Georgia Talk Radio. The news, 3205 01:30:21,034 --> 01:30:23,034 Georgia Talk Radio. The news, it’s reported an investigation 3206 01:30:23,034 --> 01:30:25,299 it’s reported an investigation into claims of bullying by home 3207 01:30:25,299 --> 01:30:27,366 into claims of bullying by home secretary. She broke the 3208 01:30:27,366 --> 01:30:28,333 secretary. She broke the ministerial code a Cabinet 3209 01:30:28,333 --> 01:30:29,200 ministerial code a Cabinet office investigation was 3210 01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:30,799 office investigation was launched in March over 3211 01:30:30,799 --> 01:30:32,333 launched in March over allegations that mister 3212 01:30:32,333 --> 01:30:32,833 allegations that mister belittled colleagues and clash 3213 01:30:32,833 --> 01:30:35,366 belittled colleagues and clash with senior officials all 3214 01:30:35,366 --> 01:30:36,434 with senior officials all claims that she denies 3215 01:30:36,434 --> 01:30:37,200 claims that she denies Secretary Matt Hancock says 3216 01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:38,833 Secretary Matt Hancock says Pretty Patel is focused on her 3217 01:30:38,833 --> 01:30:40,400 Pretty Patel is focused on her work in his opinion, doing a 3218 01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:41,966 work in his opinion, doing a great job. The truth is that 3219 01:30:41,966 --> 01:30:44,434 great job. The truth is that she’s also absolutely 3220 01:30:44,434 --> 01:30:45,899 she’s also absolutely determined to deliver on the 3221 01:30:45,899 --> 01:30:47,200 determined to deliver on the priorities on which we were 3222 01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:49,200 priorities on which we were elected like uh hiring 20000 3223 01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:51,966 elected like uh hiring 20000 more police to keep people safe 3224 01:30:51,966 --> 01:30:54,567 more police to keep people safe and. Uh that’s been she’s been 3225 01:30:54,567 --> 01:30:55,466 and. Uh that’s been she’s been delivering on that we’ve 3226 01:30:55,466 --> 01:30:59,466 delivering on that we’ve already had over 5000 so um the 3227 01:30:59,466 --> 01:31:00,799 already had over 5000 so um the uh you know I’d I’d think that 3228 01:31:00,799 --> 01:31:02,600 uh you know I’d I’d think that uh is doing an excellent 3229 01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:04,300 uh is doing an excellent excellent job on talk Bliss 3230 01:31:04,300 --> 01:31:05,767 excellent job on talk Bliss correspondent Charlotte, I says 3231 01:31:05,767 --> 01:31:06,600 correspondent Charlotte, I says the report also highlights a 3232 01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:08,600 the report also highlights a failure from the home office to 3233 01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:09,966 failure from the home office to inform the home secretary that 3234 01:31:09,966 --> 01:31:10,699 inform the home secretary that star felt uncomfortable with 3235 01:31:10,699 --> 01:31:12,300 star felt uncomfortable with her management style. 3236 01:31:12,300 --> 01:31:13,100 her management style. essentially what seems to be 3237 01:31:13,100 --> 01:31:15,366 essentially what seems to be the case is that senior civil 3238 01:31:15,366 --> 01:31:17,034 the case is that senior civil servants in the home office 3239 01:31:17,034 --> 01:31:18,333 servants in the home office failed to tell her when 3240 01:31:18,333 --> 01:31:20,333 failed to tell her when complaints were being made when 3241 01:31:20,333 --> 01:31:21,034 complaints were being made when people found her behavior 3242 01:31:21,034 --> 01:31:22,699 people found her behavior unacceptable. so she wasn’t 3243 01:31:22,699 --> 01:31:24,367 unacceptable. so she wasn’t given the opportunity to learn 3244 01:31:24,367 --> 01:31:26,266 given the opportunity to learn from it to realize that what 3245 01:31:26,266 --> 01:31:27,634 from it to realize that what she had done was incorrect and 3246 01:31:27,634 --> 01:31:29,767 she had done was incorrect and then change her. Behavior So I 3247 01:31:29,767 --> 01:31:30,400 then change her. Behavior So I understand the report has also 3248 01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,866 understand the report has also going to criticize senior civil 3249 01:31:32,866 --> 01:31:33,966 going to criticize senior civil servants in the home office for 3250 01:31:33,966 --> 01:31:34,600 servants in the home office for their lack of leadership 3251 01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:36,600 their lack of leadership millions of public sector 3252 01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:37,899 millions of public sector workers are facing a pay freeze 3253 01:31:37,899 --> 01:31:38,699 workers are facing a pay freeze for a year as the chancellor 3254 01:31:38,699 --> 01:31:40,434 for a year as the chancellor attempts to tackle the huge 3255 01:31:40,434 --> 01:31:41,899 attempts to tackle the huge financial hits caused by Corona 3256 01:31:41,899 --> 01:31:42,600 financial hits caused by Corona virus, teachers and civil 3257 01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:44,367 virus, teachers and civil servants will be affected, but 3258 01:31:44,367 --> 01:31:45,899 servants will be affected, but not those working on the NHS 3259 01:31:45,899 --> 01:31:47,034 not those working on the NHS front line. It’s thought the 3260 01:31:47,034 --> 01:31:48,400 front line. It’s thought the move could save around 3261 01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:49,299 move could save around 2000000000 pounds. Duncan 3262 01:31:49,299 --> 01:31:50,866 2000000000 pounds. Duncan Simpson from the Taxpayers 3263 01:31:50,866 --> 01:31:52,866 Simpson from the Taxpayers Alliance to Radio. It’s a fair 3264 01:31:52,866 --> 01:31:53,966 Alliance to Radio. It’s a fair decision do bear in mind that 3265 01:31:53,966 --> 01:31:55,266 decision do bear in mind that many people in the public 3266 01:31:55,266 --> 01:31:56,434 many people in the public sector for years have had a 3267 01:31:56,434 --> 01:31:58,300 sector for years have had a very generous situation. so the 3268 01:31:58,300 --> 01:32:00,266 very generous situation. so the Premium that is 7% higher than 3269 01:32:00,266 --> 01:32:02,000 Premium that is 7% higher than it is for those that those in 3270 01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:03,466 it is for those that those in the private sector now the gap 3271 01:32:03,466 --> 01:32:04,799 the private sector now the gap has narrowed somewhat the 3272 01:32:04,799 --> 01:32:06,600 has narrowed somewhat the recent years, but it is a huge 3273 01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:07,966 recent years, but it is a huge advantage covet nineteen has 3274 01:32:07,966 --> 01:32:09,767 advantage covet nineteen has had a disproportionate impact 3275 01:32:09,767 --> 01:32:11,466 had a disproportionate impact on women, according to a new 3276 01:32:11,466 --> 01:32:12,234 on women, according to a new report published on equal 3277 01:32:12,234 --> 01:32:14,000 report published on equal payday The for society found 3278 01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:15,466 payday The for society found that nearly half of working 3279 01:32:15,466 --> 01:32:16,799 that nearly half of working women are worried about job 3280 01:32:16,799 --> 01:32:17,734 women are worried about job promotion and one in three 3281 01:32:17,734 --> 01:32:18,600 promotion and one in three working mothers have lost work 3282 01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:20,799 working mothers have lost work or hours due to child care. The 3283 01:32:20,799 --> 01:32:22,000 or hours due to child care. The report also suggest British 3284 01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:23,466 report also suggest British women are at a Corona virus 3285 01:32:23,466 --> 01:32:24,799 women are at a Corona virus crossroads in the fight for 3286 01:32:24,799 --> 01:32:26,300 crossroads in the fight for workplace equality, and 3287 01:32:26,300 --> 01:32:27,466 workplace equality, and election officials in Georgia 3288 01:32:27,466 --> 01:32:28,833 election officials in Georgia have confirmed Joe Biden’s 3289 01:32:28,833 --> 01:32:30,000 have confirmed Joe Biden’s victory in the states following 3290 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:31,466 victory in the states following a full hand recount of ballots 3291 01:32:31,466 --> 01:32:33,299 a full hand recount of ballots around 5000000 votes were. 3292 01:32:33,299 --> 01:32:34,400 around 5000000 votes were. Examined. Meanwhile, President 3293 01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:35,899 Examined. Meanwhile, President Trump is to seek a partial 3294 01:32:35,899 --> 01:32:37,466 Trump is to seek a partial recount of votes in the state 3295 01:32:37,466 --> 01:32:38,733 recount of votes in the state of Wisconsin with the the 3296 01:32:38,733 --> 01:32:39,966 of Wisconsin with the the Democrats are predicted to win 3297 01:32:39,966 --> 01:32:42,733 Democrats are predicted to win by 20000 votes. Talk Radio 3298 01:32:42,733 --> 01:32:44,799 by 20000 votes. Talk Radio national weather, Some heavy 3299 01:32:44,799 --> 01:32:45,966 national weather, Some heavy rain set to move from West to 3300 01:32:45,966 --> 01:32:46,799 rain set to move from West to east across the UK this 3301 01:32:46,799 --> 01:32:48,099 east across the UK this morning. It will be many wet in 3302 01:32:48,099 --> 01:32:49,800 morning. It will be many wet in just the east of England by the 3303 01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:52,799 just the east of England by the afternoon highs of 12° talk 3304 01:32:52,799 --> 01:32:54,600 afternoon highs of 12° talk Radio Lola should be saying a 3305 01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,000 Radio Lola should be saying a virtual hello to a new client 3306 01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,299 virtual hello to a new client right now, but instead, she’s 3307 01:32:59,299 --> 01:33:04,000 right now, but instead, she’s saying stupid. Why Lola why set 3308 01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:05,466 saying stupid. Why Lola why set up a up a fancy new loft if 3309 01:33:05,466 --> 01:33:06,833 up a up a fancy new loft if your WiFi doesn’t reach it 3310 01:33:06,833 --> 01:33:10,300 your WiFi doesn’t reach it never fit with BT complete WiFi 3311 01:33:10,300 --> 01:33:12,267 never fit with BT complete WiFi you’ll be back with AB only BT 3312 01:33:12,267 --> 01:33:13,634 you’ll be back with AB only BT guarantees reliable WiFi in 3313 01:33:13,634 --> 01:33:16,434 guarantees reliable WiFi in every room or 100 pounds back. 3314 01:33:16,434 --> 01:33:18,300 every room or 100 pounds back. Why choose anyone else bet 3315 01:33:18,300 --> 01:33:19,966 Why choose anyone else bet beyond limits up to three to 3316 01:33:19,966 --> 01:33:21,800 beyond limits up to three to ten Mbps in every rumor 100 3317 01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:23,200 ten Mbps in every rumor 100 pound of your next bill tens 3318 01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:26,600 pound of your next bill tens supply across the UK online on 3319 01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:30,099 supply across the UK online on d and on your smartphone to 3320 01:33:30,099 --> 01:33:32,600 d and on your smartphone to radio Julia Hartley. At 3321 01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:35,900 radio Julia Hartley. At breakfast on talk radio good 3322 01:33:35,900 --> 01:33:37,299 breakfast on talk radio good morning to you, it’s Friday the 3323 01:33:37,299 --> 01:33:38,000 morning to you, it’s Friday the twentieth of November you’re 3324 01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:39,100 twentieth of November you’re listening to breakfast with 3325 01:33:39,100 --> 01:33:40,301 listening to breakfast with Julia Hartley brewer on Top 3326 01:33:40,301 --> 01:33:41,533 Julia Hartley brewer on Top radio. Don’t forget you can 3327 01:33:41,533 --> 01:33:43,067 radio. Don’t forget you can watch the show live as well as 3328 01:33:43,067 --> 01:33:44,533 watch the show live as well as listening, We are streaming 3329 01:33:44,533 --> 01:33:46,133 listening, We are streaming right now on YouTube, Facebook 3330 01:33:46,133 --> 01:33:48,301 right now on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter coming up nearly 3331 01:33:48,301 --> 01:33:49,299 and Twitter coming up nearly 4000000 public safety workers, 3332 01:33:49,299 --> 01:33:50,000 4000000 public safety workers, including soldiers, police 3333 01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:51,134 including soldiers, police officers, teachers and other 3334 01:33:51,134 --> 01:33:52,799 officers, teachers and other civil service face a pay freeze 3335 01:33:52,799 --> 01:33:54,901 civil service face a pay freeze to help repair the nation’s 3336 01:33:54,901 --> 01:33:56,366 to help repair the nation’s finances after coronavirus will 3337 01:33:56,366 --> 01:33:58,000 finances after coronavirus will use his comprehensive review 3338 01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:59,267 use his comprehensive review next week to announce there 3339 01:33:59,267 --> 01:34:00,200 next week to announce there must be pay restraint, saying 3340 01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:02,800 must be pay restraint, saying it’s only fair. Wages are 3341 01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:03,334 it’s only fair. Wages are frozen where most of those in 3342 01:34:03,334 --> 01:34:05,767 frozen where most of those in the private sector who’ve lost 3343 01:34:05,767 --> 01:34:06,800 the private sector who’ve lost jobs. Well, that’s lost pay 3344 01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,533 jobs. Well, that’s lost pay lost their jobs or face losing 3345 01:34:08,533 --> 01:34:09,767 lost their jobs or face losing their jobs. Also, an official 3346 01:34:09,767 --> 01:34:11,399 their jobs. Also, an official inquiries concluded that home 3347 01:34:11,399 --> 01:34:12,434 inquiries concluded that home Secretary Bridget Patel 3348 01:34:12,434 --> 01:34:13,634 Secretary Bridget Patel breached the ministerial code 3349 01:34:13,634 --> 01:34:15,534 breached the ministerial code by bullying civil servants. an 3350 01:34:15,534 --> 01:34:16,367 by bullying civil servants. an investigation found she not 3351 01:34:16,367 --> 01:34:17,967 investigation found she not always met the high standards 3352 01:34:17,967 --> 01:34:19,334 always met the high standards required ministers yet Boris 3353 01:34:19,334 --> 01:34:21,400 required ministers yet Boris Johnson says he’s going to 3354 01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:22,967 Johnson says he’s going to fight to keep her and up to to 3355 01:34:22,967 --> 01:34:24,299 fight to keep her and up to to 1000000 Brits day could be 3356 01:34:24,299 --> 01:34:25,900 1000000 Brits day could be vaccinated against coveted a 3357 01:34:25,900 --> 01:34:26,867 vaccinated against coveted a record-breaking push to beat 3358 01:34:26,867 --> 01:34:28,533 record-breaking push to beat the virus or the NHS is poised 3359 01:34:28,533 --> 01:34:29,500 the virus or the NHS is poised to recruit more than 40000 3360 01:34:29,500 --> 01:34:31,533 to recruit more than 40000 extra workers to roll out. We 3361 01:34:31,533 --> 01:34:33,733 extra workers to roll out. We vaccine make a Fisa expecting 3362 01:34:33,733 --> 01:34:36,999 vaccine make a Fisa expecting approval within 3363 01:34:40,267 --> 01:34:43,333 days plus. 3364 01:34:45,300 --> 01:34:46,733 Should one of the nation’s 3365 01:34:46,733 --> 01:34:47,933 Should one of the nation’s favorite Christmas songs Fairy 3366 01:34:47,933 --> 01:34:49,467 favorite Christmas songs Fairy Tale of New York by the Pos to 3367 01:34:49,467 --> 01:34:51,300 Tale of New York by the Pos to be edited and censored because 3368 01:34:51,300 --> 01:34:53,299 be edited and censored because it is potentially offensive 3369 01:34:53,299 --> 01:34:54,867 it is potentially offensive lyrics for millennials. I think 3370 01:34:54,867 --> 01:34:56,900 lyrics for millennials. I think we all know the answer to that. 3371 01:34:56,900 --> 01:34:58,467 we all know the answer to that. It’s no7 minutes past eight is 3372 01:34:58,467 --> 01:35:01,334 It’s no7 minutes past eight is the time this is Radio Julia 3373 01:35:01,334 --> 01:35:04,934 the time this is Radio Julia Hartley brewer at breakfast on 3374 01:35:04,934 --> 01:35:06,334 Hartley brewer at breakfast on Talk Radio Good morning to you. 3375 01:35:06,334 --> 01:35:07,899 Talk Radio Good morning to you. This is breakfast with me Julia 3376 01:35:07,899 --> 01:35:09,234 This is breakfast with me Julia Hartley joining me all this 3377 01:35:09,234 --> 01:35:10,467 Hartley joining me all this morning. Steve Allen. He’s a 3378 01:35:10,467 --> 01:35:11,800 morning. Steve Allen. He’s a comedian and former chemist. I 3379 01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:13,399 comedian and former chemist. I know it’s not the biggest story 3380 01:35:13,399 --> 01:35:14,467 know it’s not the biggest story around today, but it did seem 3381 01:35:14,467 --> 01:35:15,800 around today, but it did seem to get people’s goat and the 3382 01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:17,301 to get people’s goat and the industry is one of the biggest. 3383 01:35:17,301 --> 01:35:19,734 industry is one of the biggest. Is on the Bbc’s always know 3384 01:35:19,734 --> 01:35:21,299 Is on the Bbc’s always know vaccines and Christmas being 3385 01:35:21,299 --> 01:35:23,234 vaccines and Christmas being cancelled and public had to pay 3386 01:35:23,234 --> 01:35:25,166 cancelled and public had to pay for all that a lot of people 3387 01:35:25,166 --> 01:35:26,500 for all that a lot of people getting jolly cross about some 3388 01:35:26,500 --> 01:35:31,167 getting jolly cross about some more do good good PC with the 3389 01:35:31,167 --> 01:35:32,800 more do good good PC with the Bbc’s would no longer be 3390 01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:34,634 Bbc’s would no longer be playing uh the original version 3391 01:35:34,634 --> 01:35:36,166 playing uh the original version of the Fairy Tale of New York 3392 01:35:36,166 --> 01:35:38,467 of the Fairy Tale of New York by the Pos because of two 3393 01:35:38,467 --> 01:35:40,000 by the Pos because of two keywords, which they said would 3394 01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,500 keywords, which they said would in the lyrics, but wasn’t 3395 01:35:41,500 --> 01:35:42,667 in the lyrics, but wasn’t they’re they’re not words. I’d 3396 01:35:42,667 --> 01:35:44,467 they’re they’re not words. I’d want for instance my 3397 01:35:44,467 --> 01:35:45,167 want for instance my fourteen-year-old to hear but 3398 01:35:45,167 --> 01:35:47,100 fourteen-year-old to hear but um they’re not being. Because 3399 01:35:47,100 --> 01:35:49,301 um they’re not being. Because it would offend their younger 3400 01:35:49,301 --> 01:35:50,767 it would offend their younger listenership who would find 3401 01:35:50,767 --> 01:35:52,599 listenership who would find these words uh difficult to 3402 01:35:52,599 --> 01:35:55,267 these words uh difficult to hear um do you despair about 3403 01:35:55,267 --> 01:35:56,500 hear um do you despair about these things? Well I despair 3404 01:35:56,500 --> 01:35:58,334 these things? Well I despair but probably for a slightly 3405 01:35:58,334 --> 01:35:59,799 but probably for a slightly different reason than you do I 3406 01:35:59,799 --> 01:36:01,399 different reason than you do I spent most of yesterday with my 3407 01:36:01,399 --> 01:36:02,500 spent most of yesterday with my head in my hands about this 3408 01:36:02,500 --> 01:36:03,833 head in my hands about this because some people are 3409 01:36:03,833 --> 01:36:05,300 because some people are offended and the people are 3410 01:36:05,300 --> 01:36:07,033 offended and the people are offended tend to be from what I 3411 01:36:07,033 --> 01:36:08,267 offended tend to be from what I saw on social media people 3412 01:36:08,267 --> 01:36:09,434 saw on social media people outrage that this edit would 3413 01:36:09,434 --> 01:36:11,133 outrage that this edit would take place when I’m presuming 3414 01:36:11,133 --> 01:36:12,099 take place when I’m presuming most of the people I saw tweets 3415 01:36:12,099 --> 01:36:14,400 most of the people I saw tweets from don’t listen to radio one 3416 01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:15,067 from don’t listen to radio one anyway, and I mean firstly, I’m 3417 01:36:15,067 --> 01:36:16,634 anyway, and I mean firstly, I’m not really sure why Radio ones 3418 01:36:16,634 --> 01:36:17,599 not really sure why Radio ones playing a song that goes back 3419 01:36:17,599 --> 01:36:18,799 playing a song that goes back to the 80s. I thought it was 3420 01:36:18,799 --> 01:36:19,966 to the 80s. I thought it was trying to break its new hip hop 3421 01:36:19,966 --> 01:36:22,467 trying to break its new hip hop or whatever the phrases are um. 3422 01:36:22,467 --> 01:36:24,000 or whatever the phrases are um. The young people are listening 3423 01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,467 The young people are listening to whatever hey hi, I’m I’m 3424 01:36:26,467 --> 01:36:28,000 to whatever hey hi, I’m I’m cool daddy but whatever the 3425 01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:29,299 cool daddy but whatever the whatever radio one wants to 3426 01:36:29,299 --> 01:36:30,867 whatever radio one wants to play for his audience, he knows 3427 01:36:30,867 --> 01:36:31,900 play for his audience, he knows his audience and it might think 3428 01:36:31,900 --> 01:36:33,967 his audience and it might think they’d prefer that version of 3429 01:36:33,967 --> 01:36:34,900 they’d prefer that version of the song. Here’s the radio two 3430 01:36:34,900 --> 01:36:36,399 the song. Here’s the radio two plays the other version you can 3431 01:36:36,399 --> 01:36:37,366 plays the other version you can go out and buy the other 3432 01:36:37,366 --> 01:36:39,100 go out and buy the other version and actually if a radio 3433 01:36:39,100 --> 01:36:40,366 version and actually if a radio station wants to take the 3434 01:36:40,366 --> 01:36:42,600 station wants to take the effort and go through and edit 3435 01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:43,800 effort and go through and edit out all the prepositions and 3436 01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:44,500 out all the prepositions and articles from a song. I might 3437 01:36:44,500 --> 01:36:46,534 articles from a song. I might not like to listen to it but up 3438 01:36:46,534 --> 01:36:48,066 not like to listen to it but up to them for this is it isn’t 3439 01:36:48,066 --> 01:36:48,933 to them for this is it isn’t it. I mean, especially some of 3440 01:36:48,933 --> 01:36:50,200 it. I mean, especially some of the rap songs some of the 3441 01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:51,334 the rap songs some of the language used in there. Some 3442 01:36:51,334 --> 01:36:52,767 language used in there. Some what’s that. Women are allowed 3443 01:36:52,767 --> 01:36:53,967 what’s that. Women are allowed to sing some of the lyrics. I’m 3444 01:36:53,967 --> 01:36:55,966 to sing some of the lyrics. I’m I’m appalled by just putting on 3445 01:36:55,966 --> 01:36:57,434 I’m appalled by just putting on my mama hat for a bit, but it 3446 01:36:57,434 --> 01:36:58,833 my mama hat for a bit, but it does seem to be there are they 3447 01:36:58,833 --> 01:37:00,301 does seem to be there are they pick and choose when they’re 3448 01:37:00,301 --> 01:37:01,834 pick and choose when they’re offended or does seem to depend 3449 01:37:01,834 --> 01:37:03,899 offended or does seem to depend who it is you singing. I do 3450 01:37:03,899 --> 01:37:04,533 who it is you singing. I do wonder whether Chris is 3451 01:37:04,533 --> 01:37:05,767 wonder whether Chris is brilliant hit driving home for 3452 01:37:05,767 --> 01:37:06,900 brilliant hit driving home for Christmas is one of my favorite 3453 01:37:06,900 --> 01:37:08,267 Christmas is one of my favorite ones. That makes me makes me 3454 01:37:08,267 --> 01:37:09,366 ones. That makes me makes me tear before Christmas. I love 3455 01:37:09,366 --> 01:37:10,900 tear before Christmas. I love that, so I mean that might be 3456 01:37:10,900 --> 01:37:11,967 that, so I mean that might be offensive to cyclist and 3457 01:37:11,967 --> 01:37:12,567 offensive to cyclist and anyway, you’re not allowed to 3458 01:37:12,567 --> 01:37:13,767 anyway, you’re not allowed to drive home for Christmas right 3459 01:37:13,767 --> 01:37:14,367 drive home for Christmas right now, so that would be illegal 3460 01:37:14,367 --> 01:37:15,833 now, so that would be illegal to be encouraging. No breaking. 3461 01:37:15,833 --> 01:37:17,334 to be encouraging. No breaking. let’s ban that one as well. 3462 01:37:17,334 --> 01:37:18,000 let’s ban that one as well. anyway, we’ll talk about that 3463 01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:21,067 anyway, we’ll talk about that more with uh bar Claire Fox 3464 01:37:21,067 --> 01:37:23,434 more with uh bar Claire Fox who’s. The author of find that 3465 01:37:23,434 --> 01:37:24,700 who’s. The author of find that offensive uh we’ll be talking 3466 01:37:24,700 --> 01:37:25,767 offensive uh we’ll be talking to her about that little later 3467 01:37:25,767 --> 01:37:26,967 to her about that little later right now, let’s get back to 3468 01:37:26,967 --> 01:37:28,334 right now, let’s get back to the issue of a public sector 3469 01:37:28,334 --> 01:37:29,800 the issue of a public sector pay freeze well that is on the 3470 01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:31,334 pay freeze well that is on the cause for some 4000000 workers. 3471 01:37:31,334 --> 01:37:34,900 cause for some 4000000 workers. uh those who working in police 3472 01:37:34,900 --> 01:37:37,301 uh those who working in police uh in the generally teachers 3473 01:37:37,301 --> 01:37:39,299 uh in the generally teachers included uh and uh other civil 3474 01:37:39,299 --> 01:37:41,334 included uh and uh other civil servants, not NS staff, we’re 3475 01:37:41,334 --> 01:37:42,066 servants, not NS staff, we’re told. Of course they’ve already 3476 01:37:42,066 --> 01:37:43,533 told. Of course they’ve already been told they’re getting uh a 3477 01:37:43,533 --> 01:37:45,299 been told they’re getting uh a pay rise due to the efforts 3478 01:37:45,299 --> 01:37:46,799 pay rise due to the efforts tackling coveted but the chance 3479 01:37:46,799 --> 01:37:48,299 tackling coveted but the chance is using next week’s spending 3480 01:37:48,299 --> 01:37:49,966 is using next week’s spending review to unveil a new era of 3481 01:37:49,966 --> 01:37:51,667 review to unveil a new era of pay restraint. To help plug the 3482 01:37:51,667 --> 01:37:52,901 pay restraint. To help plug the black hole in the public 3483 01:37:52,901 --> 01:37:54,033 black hole in the public finances well, how big is that 3484 01:37:54,033 --> 01:37:55,467 finances well, how big is that cold and how much will this 3485 01:37:55,467 --> 01:37:56,700 cold and how much will this help plug it? Let’s talk to 3486 01:37:56,700 --> 01:37:58,133 help plug it? Let’s talk to Ben. So he’s from the Institute 3487 01:37:58,133 --> 01:37:59,500 Ben. So he’s from the Institute for fiscal studies. They’re 3488 01:37:59,500 --> 01:38:00,900 for fiscal studies. They’re free. They throw the think tank 3489 01:38:00,900 --> 01:38:02,967 free. They throw the think tank I was highly respected uh 3490 01:38:02,967 --> 01:38:04,267 I was highly respected uh looking at this sort of public 3491 01:38:04,267 --> 01:38:05,467 looking at this sort of public sector numbers. Good morning to 3492 01:38:05,467 --> 01:38:07,100 sector numbers. Good morning to you. Good morning Good morning. 3493 01:38:07,100 --> 01:38:08,434 you. Good morning Good morning. um uh we’re discussing all this 3494 01:38:08,434 --> 01:38:09,267 um uh we’re discussing all this earlier in the show, and I 3495 01:38:09,267 --> 01:38:11,434 earlier in the show, and I think a lot of people be 3496 01:38:11,434 --> 01:38:12,467 think a lot of people be surprised by how small the 3497 01:38:12,467 --> 01:38:13,967 surprised by how small the public sector is in terms of 3498 01:38:13,967 --> 01:38:15,667 public sector is in terms of number of workers compared to 3499 01:38:15,667 --> 01:38:16,999 number of workers compared to the private sector. We talk so 3500 01:38:16,999 --> 01:38:18,133 the private sector. We talk so much about public sector 3501 01:38:18,133 --> 01:38:19,100 much about public sector workers and they’re so visible 3502 01:38:19,100 --> 01:38:20,800 workers and they’re so visible in terms of the jobs that are. 3503 01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:22,567 in terms of the jobs that are. Children first learn about the 3504 01:38:22,567 --> 01:38:24,901 Children first learn about the teachers and doctors and uh and 3505 01:38:24,901 --> 01:38:26,000 teachers and doctors and uh and fire office and things like the 3506 01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:26,733 fire office and things like the police officers. they’re like, 3507 01:38:26,733 --> 01:38:28,567 police officers. they’re like, but actually, it’s only sixteen 3508 01:38:28,567 --> 01:38:29,834 but actually, it’s only sixteen and a half percent of the of 3509 01:38:29,834 --> 01:38:31,567 and a half percent of the of the goes in the workforce who 3510 01:38:31,567 --> 01:38:33,767 the goes in the workforce who work in the public sector uh 3511 01:38:33,767 --> 01:38:34,567 work in the public sector uh but we know that it has been 3512 01:38:34,567 --> 01:38:36,334 but we know that it has been the private sector that has 3513 01:38:36,334 --> 01:38:38,334 the private sector that has born the brunt of the economic 3514 01:38:38,334 --> 01:38:40,533 born the brunt of the economic damage so far now tell us um 3515 01:38:40,533 --> 01:38:41,966 damage so far now tell us um how okay first of all how big 3516 01:38:41,966 --> 01:38:44,533 how okay first of all how big the black hole of the finances 3517 01:38:44,533 --> 01:38:46,667 the black hole of the finances is and to tell us what a baby 3518 01:38:46,667 --> 01:38:48,133 is and to tell us what a baby rent to pay freeze for a few 3519 01:38:48,133 --> 01:38:49,434 rent to pay freeze for a few years for public sector workers 3520 01:38:49,434 --> 01:38:52,900 years for public sector workers would. To change that. You’re 3521 01:38:52,900 --> 01:38:54,467 would. To change that. You’re right that the public sector 3522 01:38:54,467 --> 01:38:56,567 right that the public sector workforce isn’t you know the 3523 01:38:56,567 --> 01:38:57,766 workforce isn’t you know the majority of uh workers in this 3524 01:38:57,766 --> 01:38:58,399 majority of uh workers in this country. It’s not five and a 3525 01:38:58,399 --> 01:39:00,834 country. It’s not five and a half million people but 3526 01:39:00,834 --> 01:39:02,733 half million people but 1.8000000 of those are in the 3527 01:39:02,733 --> 01:39:05,834 1.8000000 of those are in the NHS at this year, the the 3528 01:39:05,834 --> 01:39:07,334 NHS at this year, the the downturn in the foreign tax 3529 01:39:07,334 --> 01:39:08,800 downturn in the foreign tax revenues the foreign economic 3530 01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:10,334 revenues the foreign economic activity and a huge amount of 3531 01:39:10,334 --> 01:39:11,333 activity and a huge amount of support the governments 3532 01:39:11,333 --> 01:39:12,900 support the governments provided to households, 3533 01:39:12,900 --> 01:39:13,967 provided to households, businesses and public services 3534 01:39:13,967 --> 01:39:16,300 businesses and public services is going to mean that we’re 3535 01:39:16,300 --> 01:39:16,999 is going to mean that we’re borrowing a huge amount this 3536 01:39:16,999 --> 01:39:19,300 borrowing a huge amount this year could reach something like 3537 01:39:19,300 --> 01:39:21,333 year could reach something like 400000000000 pounds, which is 3538 01:39:21,333 --> 01:39:24,334 400000000000 pounds, which is ten times harder. Expecting at 3539 01:39:24,334 --> 01:39:25,634 ten times harder. Expecting at the start of this year now when 3540 01:39:25,634 --> 01:39:27,067 the start of this year now when it comes to how much you meant 3541 01:39:27,067 --> 01:39:29,301 it comes to how much you meant to say in this public sector 3542 01:39:29,301 --> 01:39:30,433 to say in this public sector pay freeze the numbers are much 3543 01:39:30,433 --> 01:39:32,367 pay freeze the numbers are much smaller so the pay freeze apply 3544 01:39:32,367 --> 01:39:34,533 smaller so the pay freeze apply to NS workers next year. We 3545 01:39:34,533 --> 01:39:35,967 to NS workers next year. We think it would save something 3546 01:39:35,967 --> 01:39:37,667 think it would save something like three and a half billion, 3547 01:39:37,667 --> 01:39:39,100 like three and a half billion, perhaps if it was extended for 3548 01:39:39,100 --> 01:39:40,634 perhaps if it was extended for 3 years, and I think there are 3549 01:39:40,634 --> 01:39:42,834 3 years, and I think there are reasons why they perhaps won’t 3550 01:39:42,834 --> 01:39:43,767 reasons why they perhaps won’t be able to do it for a period 3551 01:39:43,767 --> 01:39:44,367 be able to do it for a period of that long if it was the 3552 01:39:44,367 --> 01:39:45,667 of that long if it was the extent for about 3 years, you 3553 01:39:45,667 --> 01:39:47,367 extent for about 3 years, you might say something like twelve 3554 01:39:47,367 --> 01:39:47,967 might say something like twelve and a half billion. so these 3555 01:39:47,967 --> 01:39:49,533 and a half billion. so these are these are sizable songs, 3556 01:39:49,533 --> 01:39:51,067 are these are sizable songs, but they’re only a drop in the 3557 01:39:51,067 --> 01:39:52,133 but they’re only a drop in the ocean when it comes to the uh 3558 01:39:52,133 --> 01:39:53,599 ocean when it comes to the uh the cost of the pandemic and 3559 01:39:53,599 --> 01:39:55,900 the cost of the pandemic and the. Tax But of course these 3560 01:39:55,900 --> 01:39:56,800 the. Tax But of course these these sorts of things like 3561 01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:58,334 these sorts of things like public sector pay for as we 3562 01:39:58,334 --> 01:39:59,733 public sector pay for as we discovered what happened from 3563 01:39:59,733 --> 01:40:01,133 discovered what happened from 2010, almost with the austerity 3564 01:40:01,133 --> 01:40:03,567 2010, almost with the austerity we saw the but is they do have 3565 01:40:03,567 --> 01:40:04,767 we saw the but is they do have a long-term savings. Don’t they 3566 01:40:04,767 --> 01:40:05,967 a long-term savings. Don’t they because you don’t just go. Oh 3567 01:40:05,967 --> 01:40:07,700 because you don’t just go. Oh um and now we’ll go back to in 3568 01:40:07,700 --> 01:40:09,199 um and now we’ll go back to in 3 years time where you would’ve 3569 01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:10,234 3 years time where you would’ve been. We’re not just saving 3570 01:40:10,234 --> 01:40:11,500 been. We’re not just saving money for that period That 3571 01:40:11,500 --> 01:40:12,766 money for that period That money is going to be saved. You 3572 01:40:12,766 --> 01:40:15,967 money is going to be saved. You know forever more effectively. 3573 01:40:15,967 --> 01:40:16,999 know forever more effectively. that’s right, but the opposite 3574 01:40:16,999 --> 01:40:18,434 that’s right, but the opposite is true of announcements like 3575 01:40:18,434 --> 01:40:19,734 is true of announcements like yesterday on on defense, for 3576 01:40:19,734 --> 01:40:21,133 yesterday on on defense, for where that spending isn’t just 3577 01:40:21,133 --> 01:40:21,933 where that spending isn’t just a temporary one off that 3578 01:40:21,933 --> 01:40:22,999 a temporary one off that spending will presumably 3579 01:40:22,999 --> 01:40:24,899 spending will presumably continue. To the future, but 3580 01:40:24,899 --> 01:40:25,533 continue. To the future, but the point you made you hear 3581 01:40:25,533 --> 01:40:26,599 the point you made you hear about what happened since 2010 3582 01:40:26,599 --> 01:40:28,000 about what happened since 2010 is really important because 3583 01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:29,366 is really important because this isn’t the first time 3584 01:40:29,366 --> 01:40:30,000 this isn’t the first time governments are trying to keep 3585 01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:31,867 governments are trying to keep a lid on public sector pay 3586 01:40:31,867 --> 01:40:33,434 a lid on public sector pay rises as he said it in 2010. 3587 01:40:33,434 --> 01:40:35,267 rises as he said it in 2010. but importantly, George Osborne 3588 01:40:35,267 --> 01:40:36,767 but importantly, George Osborne is doing it after a decade of 3589 01:40:36,767 --> 01:40:37,634 is doing it after a decade of reasonably generous pay 3590 01:40:37,634 --> 01:40:39,766 reasonably generous pay increases of public sector 3591 01:40:39,766 --> 01:40:41,301 increases of public sector workers. This time it’s gonna 3592 01:40:41,301 --> 01:40:42,667 workers. This time it’s gonna come after a decade of numerous 3593 01:40:42,667 --> 01:40:44,967 come after a decade of numerous pay caps and pay freezes a 3594 01:40:44,967 --> 01:40:46,634 pay caps and pay freezes a decade when people accept to 3595 01:40:46,634 --> 01:40:49,333 decade when people accept to pay on average actually fell by 3596 01:40:49,333 --> 01:40:51,634 pay on average actually fell by 1.3% until the start of this 3597 01:40:51,634 --> 01:40:54,900 1.3% until the start of this year uh whereas. Rose over that 3598 01:40:54,900 --> 01:40:56,767 year uh whereas. Rose over that period and so, but I’m a of it 3599 01:40:56,767 --> 01:40:59,000 period and so, but I’m a of it but over the 10 years 3600 01:40:59,000 --> 01:40:59,767 but over the 10 years previously that 10 years public 3601 01:40:59,767 --> 01:41:01,634 previously that 10 years public sector pay was higher uh uh 3602 01:41:01,634 --> 01:41:03,067 sector pay was higher uh uh than private pay for equivalent 3603 01:41:03,067 --> 01:41:05,199 than private pay for equivalent jobs, wasn’t it so a public 3604 01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:08,800 jobs, wasn’t it so a public sector pay relative to to 3605 01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:10,334 sector pay relative to to private sector pay. So this is 3606 01:41:10,334 --> 01:41:11,067 private sector pay. So this is actually a really important 3607 01:41:11,067 --> 01:41:12,000 actually a really important question. So yeah, you are 3608 01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:13,733 question. So yeah, you are right to say that on average, 3609 01:41:13,733 --> 01:41:15,100 right to say that on average, folks have to work as a modern 3610 01:41:15,100 --> 01:41:16,834 folks have to work as a modern private sector workers, and 3611 01:41:16,834 --> 01:41:18,467 private sector workers, and that’s because of you know the 3612 01:41:18,467 --> 01:41:19,100 that’s because of you know the characteristic of those people 3613 01:41:19,100 --> 01:41:20,800 characteristic of those people lots of highly qualified 3614 01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:22,466 lots of highly qualified professionals, doctors and 3615 01:41:22,466 --> 01:41:23,333 professionals, doctors and teachers and so on and senior 3616 01:41:23,333 --> 01:41:27,800 teachers and so on and senior servants um. There, you know 3617 01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:29,167 servants um. There, you know Pops, it works much more likely 3618 01:41:29,167 --> 01:41:30,334 Pops, it works much more likely to work part time. For 3619 01:41:30,334 --> 01:41:30,967 to work part time. For instance, they’re more like 3620 01:41:30,967 --> 01:41:31,967 instance, they’re more like living in certain parts of the 3621 01:41:31,967 --> 01:41:33,267 living in certain parts of the country. once you adjust for 3622 01:41:33,267 --> 01:41:34,500 country. once you adjust for all those factors, the gap is 3623 01:41:34,500 --> 01:41:35,967 all those factors, the gap is actually much smaller and the 3624 01:41:35,967 --> 01:41:38,300 actually much smaller and the really important thing is that 3625 01:41:38,300 --> 01:41:39,767 really important thing is that gap is still positive, but that 3626 01:41:39,767 --> 01:41:41,567 gap is still positive, but that gap if we look over the past 3627 01:41:41,567 --> 01:41:43,067 gap if we look over the past 2530 years is currently its 3628 01:41:43,067 --> 01:41:44,900 2530 years is currently its lowest point. it has beef, but 3629 01:41:44,900 --> 01:41:46,467 lowest point. it has beef, but that’s been that’s been a 3630 01:41:46,467 --> 01:41:47,000 that’s been that’s been a deliberate policy from Tory 3631 01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:48,133 deliberate policy from Tory governments as I mean, but this 3632 01:41:48,133 --> 01:41:49,667 governments as I mean, but this is the thing, but we have when 3633 01:41:49,667 --> 01:41:50,799 is the thing, but we have when we have this conversation, it 3634 01:41:50,799 --> 01:41:52,000 we have this conversation, it shouldn’t start from the 3635 01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:53,399 shouldn’t start from the perspective of all these poor 3636 01:41:53,399 --> 01:41:54,867 perspective of all these poor public sector workers aren’t 3637 01:41:54,867 --> 01:41:55,800 public sector workers aren’t they all saints and they’ve all 3638 01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:57,167 they all saints and they’ve all been working so hard on such 3639 01:41:57,167 --> 01:41:58,967 been working so hard on such low pay cuz that’s a sort of 3640 01:41:58,967 --> 01:41:59,567 low pay cuz that’s a sort of line that we’ve heard for years 3641 01:41:59,567 --> 01:42:01,500 line that we’ve heard for years and years it is simply. The 3642 01:42:01,500 --> 01:42:02,433 and years it is simply. The case that you know public 3643 01:42:02,433 --> 01:42:03,967 case that you know public sector working in a 3644 01:42:03,967 --> 01:42:04,900 sector working in a qualification versus 3645 01:42:04,900 --> 01:42:06,399 qualification versus qualification that those people 3646 01:42:06,399 --> 01:42:08,000 qualification that those people are paid uh lower than people 3647 01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,334 are paid uh lower than people in the private sector and it is 3648 01:42:09,334 --> 01:42:11,067 in the private sector and it is the private sector, which you 3649 01:42:11,067 --> 01:42:13,333 the private sector, which you know more than 80% of the 3650 01:42:13,333 --> 01:42:14,533 know more than 80% of the working population is in that 3651 01:42:14,533 --> 01:42:15,133 working population is in that has born the brand of the 3652 01:42:15,133 --> 01:42:17,034 has born the brand of the province this year, we haven’t 3653 01:42:17,034 --> 01:42:18,800 province this year, we haven’t seen civil servants put on 80% 3654 01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:21,067 seen civil servants put on 80% of their pay on fur. We haven’t 3655 01:42:21,067 --> 01:42:22,233 of their pay on fur. We haven’t seen job losses halfway what 3656 01:42:22,233 --> 01:42:23,867 seen job losses halfway what we’ve seen is say, like local 3657 01:42:23,867 --> 01:42:25,333 we’ve seen is say, like local councils people working from 3658 01:42:25,333 --> 01:42:27,067 councils people working from home uh so a lot of their costs 3659 01:42:27,067 --> 01:42:28,900 home uh so a lot of their costs actually not they’re not having 3660 01:42:28,900 --> 01:42:30,400 actually not they’re not having their pay cut a lot less work. 3661 01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:31,734 their pay cut a lot less work. Frankly, I mean, I know there’s 3662 01:42:31,734 --> 01:42:32,334 Frankly, I mean, I know there’s been other jobs. I’ve had to do 3663 01:42:32,334 --> 01:42:33,900 been other jobs. I’ve had to do dealing with some of the 3664 01:42:33,900 --> 01:42:35,000 dealing with some of the crisis, but a lot of other 3665 01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:36,234 crisis, but a lot of other normal jobs not getting done, 3666 01:42:36,234 --> 01:42:38,399 normal jobs not getting done, but also they’re not facing 3667 01:42:38,399 --> 01:42:39,234 but also they’re not facing losing jobs. It’s just that 3668 01:42:39,234 --> 01:42:40,234 losing jobs. It’s just that when someone does leave, 3669 01:42:40,234 --> 01:42:41,367 when someone does leave, they’re not replaced. so 3670 01:42:41,367 --> 01:42:42,599 they’re not replaced. so obviously you know things are 3671 01:42:42,599 --> 01:42:44,467 obviously you know things are getting a bit uh tighter but um 3672 01:42:44,467 --> 01:42:46,334 getting a bit uh tighter but um that’s not what the private 3673 01:42:46,334 --> 01:42:47,867 that’s not what the private sectors have to do with. I mean 3674 01:42:47,867 --> 01:42:48,366 sectors have to do with. I mean we’re talking about huge scale 3675 01:42:48,366 --> 01:42:51,199 we’re talking about huge scale job losses across the private 3676 01:42:51,199 --> 01:42:53,399 job losses across the private sector. Yes, so we know we know 3677 01:42:53,399 --> 01:42:54,967 sector. Yes, so we know we know from historical experience as 3678 01:42:54,967 --> 01:42:55,933 from historical experience as well that a recession is quite 3679 01:42:55,933 --> 01:42:57,500 well that a recession is quite a good time to be a public 3680 01:42:57,500 --> 01:42:58,800 a good time to be a public sector worker. You have much to 3681 01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:00,133 sector worker. You have much to lose your job. you’re much more 3682 01:43:00,133 --> 01:43:00,733 lose your job. you’re much more security and stability than 3683 01:43:00,733 --> 01:43:02,634 security and stability than some of your counterparts and 3684 01:43:02,634 --> 01:43:04,599 some of your counterparts and so this year, yes we do. Expect 3685 01:43:04,599 --> 01:43:06,000 so this year, yes we do. Expect this year uh the earnings of 3686 01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:07,900 this year uh the earnings of public sector workers to 3687 01:43:07,900 --> 01:43:08,599 public sector workers to perform more stronger than 3688 01:43:08,599 --> 01:43:10,800 perform more stronger than those in the those who have 3689 01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:12,800 those in the those who have sadly been fur or lost their 3690 01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:14,367 sadly been fur or lost their jobs um and teachers this year, 3691 01:43:14,367 --> 01:43:16,434 jobs um and teachers this year, for example, got an average of 3692 01:43:16,434 --> 01:43:17,833 for example, got an average of 3.1% pay rise and police 3693 01:43:17,833 --> 01:43:18,967 3.1% pay rise and police officers two and a half 3694 01:43:18,967 --> 01:43:20,000 officers two and a half percent. Yeah, Those works will 3695 01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:21,434 percent. Yeah, Those works will see that they increase while 3696 01:43:21,434 --> 01:43:24,367 see that they increase while lots of other people will not. 3697 01:43:24,367 --> 01:43:25,634 lots of other people will not. but I think that one thing is 3698 01:43:25,634 --> 01:43:26,234 but I think that one thing is important to bear in mind. It’s 3699 01:43:26,234 --> 01:43:28,000 important to bear in mind. It’s not just about kind of a 3700 01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:29,834 not just about kind of a question of fairness and about 3701 01:43:29,834 --> 01:43:31,167 question of fairness and about kind of what different people 3702 01:43:31,167 --> 01:43:32,733 kind of what different people might reach conclusions, but 3703 01:43:32,733 --> 01:43:33,567 might reach conclusions, but about kind of what you paid and 3704 01:43:33,567 --> 01:43:36,900 about kind of what you paid and not it’s also about. Can the 3705 01:43:36,900 --> 01:43:38,301 not it’s also about. Can the government recruit and retain 3706 01:43:38,301 --> 01:43:39,867 government recruit and retain the skilled people that needs 3707 01:43:39,867 --> 01:43:41,467 the skilled people that needs to deliver the public services 3708 01:43:41,467 --> 01:43:43,434 to deliver the public services in which we all rely so just to 3709 01:43:43,434 --> 01:43:45,299 in which we all rely so just to give you one example Julia 3710 01:43:45,299 --> 01:43:47,433 give you one example Julia targets for teacher recruitment 3711 01:43:47,433 --> 01:43:48,099 targets for teacher recruitment for initial teacher training. 3712 01:43:48,099 --> 01:43:49,300 for initial teacher training. I’ve been missed for 8 years in 3713 01:43:49,300 --> 01:43:50,700 I’ve been missed for 8 years in a row. now there’ll be many 3714 01:43:50,700 --> 01:43:51,967 a row. now there’ll be many reasons for that, but one 3715 01:43:51,967 --> 01:43:52,900 reasons for that, but one reason might be that lots of 3716 01:43:52,900 --> 01:43:53,567 reason might be that lots of people who might go into 3717 01:43:53,567 --> 01:43:55,000 people who might go into teaching think they can earn 3718 01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:55,900 teaching think they can earn more money in the private 3719 01:43:55,900 --> 01:43:57,300 more money in the private sector and if we keep squeezing 3720 01:43:57,300 --> 01:43:58,334 sector and if we keep squeezing teachers wages, it might be 3721 01:43:58,334 --> 01:43:59,500 teachers wages, it might be very difficult to fill those 3722 01:43:59,500 --> 01:44:00,933 very difficult to fill those gaps picking subjects like math 3723 01:44:00,933 --> 01:44:01,867 gaps picking subjects like math and physics. Yeah. So it’s So 3724 01:44:01,867 --> 01:44:03,100 and physics. Yeah. So it’s So it’s just about an affairs. 3725 01:44:03,100 --> 01:44:04,367 it’s just about an affairs. It’s also about. Can we get the 3726 01:44:04,367 --> 01:44:06,466 It’s also about. Can we get the people who? Need to deliver the 3727 01:44:06,466 --> 01:44:07,167 people who? Need to deliver the public services that we’re 3728 01:44:07,167 --> 01:44:08,800 public services that we’re offering and again the we’re 3729 01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:09,434 offering and again the we’re often getting like we’ve been 3730 01:44:09,434 --> 01:44:11,000 often getting like we’ve been very good mind. MP’s got 3300 3731 01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:13,267 very good mind. MP’s got 3300 pound pay rise uh earlier this 3732 01:44:13,267 --> 01:44:14,800 pound pay rise uh earlier this year. um yeah really unhappy 3733 01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:16,000 year. um yeah really unhappy about that. So um the the you 3734 01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:17,500 about that. So um the the you know the ad that you were you 3735 01:44:17,500 --> 01:44:18,667 know the ad that you were you can’t and if you pay peanuts, 3736 01:44:18,667 --> 01:44:19,834 can’t and if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys, you’d have a 3737 01:44:19,834 --> 01:44:20,800 you get monkeys, you’d have a good quality of people and they 3738 01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:21,834 good quality of people and they never seem to apply that for 3739 01:44:21,834 --> 01:44:23,234 never seem to apply that for any other public sector job 3740 01:44:23,234 --> 01:44:24,899 any other public sector job that you know people uh would 3741 01:44:24,899 --> 01:44:25,733 that you know people uh would actually get to treat people in 3742 01:44:25,733 --> 01:44:27,100 actually get to treat people in position to choose what kind of 3743 01:44:27,100 --> 01:44:28,000 position to choose what kind of job they do will will often go 3744 01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:29,500 job they do will will often go for the high paid job benefits 3745 01:44:29,500 --> 01:44:30,800 for the high paid job benefits the private sector they won’t 3746 01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:32,834 the private sector they won’t work in the public sector uh 3747 01:44:32,834 --> 01:44:33,667 work in the public sector uh Ben from the Institute of 3748 01:44:33,667 --> 01:44:34,834 Ben from the Institute of Fiscal Studies. Thank you very 3749 01:44:34,834 --> 01:44:36,567 Fiscal Studies. Thank you very much indeed for joining us 816 3750 01:44:36,567 --> 01:44:37,767 much indeed for joining us 816 is the time up next. It’s gonna 3751 01:44:37,767 --> 01:44:39,100 is the time up next. 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Good 3906 01:49:24,367 --> 01:49:25,067 at breakfast on Top radio. Good morning kids. This is breakfast 3907 01:49:25,067 --> 01:49:27,100 morning kids. This is breakfast with me. Julia Thank you so 3908 01:49:27,100 --> 01:49:28,399 with me. Julia Thank you so much for your company so much 3909 01:49:28,399 --> 01:49:29,800 much for your company so much more to talk about, including 3910 01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:31,567 more to talk about, including that all about in New York 3911 01:49:31,567 --> 01:49:32,634 that all about in New York proposed. I know these things 3912 01:49:32,634 --> 01:49:33,234 proposed. I know these things don’t really matter, but you 3913 01:49:33,234 --> 01:49:35,533 don’t really matter, but you know what they sort of do they 3914 01:49:35,533 --> 01:49:37,766 know what they sort of do they sort of do what people start to 3915 01:49:37,766 --> 01:49:38,901 sort of do what people start to censoring lyrics because 3916 01:49:38,901 --> 01:49:40,267 censoring lyrics because they’re offensive to 3917 01:49:40,267 --> 01:49:41,133 they’re offensive to millennials. Uh we talk about 3918 01:49:41,133 --> 01:49:42,234 millennials. Uh we talk about public sector pay, but I think 3919 01:49:42,234 --> 01:49:43,434 public sector pay, but I think the real concern most people 3920 01:49:43,434 --> 01:49:44,966 the real concern most people today is vaccines uh three vacs 3921 01:49:44,966 --> 01:49:47,166 today is vaccines uh three vacs on the cards. Two. We think 3922 01:49:47,166 --> 01:49:48,967 on the cards. Two. We think that may well get a they could 3923 01:49:48,967 --> 01:49:51,199 that may well get a they could start shipping out with a 3924 01:49:51,199 --> 01:49:52,100 start shipping out with a couple of days and a couple of 3925 01:49:52,100 --> 01:49:54,433 couple of days and a couple of weeks. Regulatory approval and 3926 01:49:54,433 --> 01:49:56,301 weeks. Regulatory approval and then even with our we could get 3927 01:49:56,301 --> 01:49:57,133 then even with our we could get it out. We’re talking talking 3928 01:49:57,133 --> 01:49:58,434 it out. We’re talking talking about 1000000 a day getting 3929 01:49:58,434 --> 01:49:59,900 about 1000000 a day getting vaccinated. That’s the front of 3930 01:49:59,900 --> 01:50:00,800 vaccinated. That’s the front of the Sunday is that likely to 3931 01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:01,967 the Sunday is that likely to happen. Let’s talk to doctor 3932 01:50:01,967 --> 01:50:04,233 happen. Let’s talk to doctor Simon Clark. He’s expert and 3933 01:50:04,233 --> 01:50:04,800 Simon Clark. He’s expert and microbiologist at the 3934 01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:05,834 microbiologist at the University of Redding and joins 3935 01:50:05,834 --> 01:50:06,834 University of Redding and joins us once again good morning to 3936 01:50:06,834 --> 01:50:08,967 us once again good morning to you. Simon Good morning Julia. 3937 01:50:08,967 --> 01:50:10,467 you. Simon Good morning Julia. Um I mean I’d love to think 3938 01:50:10,467 --> 01:50:12,434 Um I mean I’d love to think that in a matter of 2 months, 3939 01:50:12,434 --> 01:50:13,900 that in a matter of 2 months, we could roll out enough of 3940 01:50:13,900 --> 01:50:15,299 we could roll out enough of vaccine. get everyone 3941 01:50:15,299 --> 01:50:17,800 vaccine. get everyone vaccinated life back to normal. 3942 01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:19,933 vaccinated life back to normal. It’s a little bit too hopeful. 3943 01:50:19,933 --> 01:50:21,434 It’s a little bit too hopeful. I’m afraid it is sorry to be 3944 01:50:21,434 --> 01:50:23,766 I’m afraid it is sorry to be the. The fly the on this one, 3945 01:50:23,766 --> 01:50:25,734 the. The fly the on this one, but I think you probably 3946 01:50:25,734 --> 01:50:28,800 but I think you probably expected me to say that um even 3947 01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:31,734 expected me to say that um even a text uh bosses have said that 3948 01:50:31,734 --> 01:50:33,933 a text uh bosses have said that really this vaccine is going to 3949 01:50:33,933 --> 01:50:35,301 really this vaccine is going to be taking the bite out of the 3950 01:50:35,301 --> 01:50:37,034 be taking the bite out of the disease in the second half of 3951 01:50:37,034 --> 01:50:39,299 disease in the second half of next year so while it might 3952 01:50:39,299 --> 01:50:42,634 next year so while it might theoretically possible to uh to 3953 01:50:42,634 --> 01:50:43,567 theoretically possible to uh to vaccinate million people a day 3954 01:50:43,567 --> 01:50:44,967 vaccinate million people a day that, in fact an awful lot uh I 3955 01:50:44,967 --> 01:50:47,767 that, in fact an awful lot uh I think it’s unlikely to happen. 3956 01:50:47,767 --> 01:50:50,000 think it’s unlikely to happen. Okay. Alright everyone just 3957 01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:51,966 Okay. Alright everyone just sort of just. Lump into your 3958 01:50:51,966 --> 01:50:53,434 sort of just. Lump into your corn flakes and your coffee 3959 01:50:53,434 --> 01:50:54,533 corn flakes and your coffee everyone cuz that’s kind of 3960 01:50:54,533 --> 01:50:55,967 everyone cuz that’s kind of where I think this is the thing 3961 01:50:55,967 --> 01:50:57,034 where I think this is the thing we’re told with all this hope 3962 01:50:57,034 --> 01:50:57,767 we’re told with all this hope and then that’s one of the 3963 01:50:57,767 --> 01:50:58,467 and then that’s one of the reasons why we are, you know, 3964 01:50:58,467 --> 01:50:59,799 reasons why we are, you know, government ministers people 3965 01:50:59,799 --> 01:51:00,500 government ministers people like the health so you might 3966 01:51:00,500 --> 01:51:02,334 like the health so you might have got to give us hope, but 3967 01:51:02,334 --> 01:51:03,900 have got to give us hope, but also let’s not think we can 3968 01:51:03,900 --> 01:51:05,434 also let’s not think we can ease up just yet. we got the 3969 01:51:05,434 --> 01:51:06,634 ease up just yet. we got the Christmas gifts. We got the 3970 01:51:06,634 --> 01:51:07,834 Christmas gifts. We got the spring to get through is this 3971 01:51:07,834 --> 01:51:09,667 spring to get through is this because it’s gonna take so long 3972 01:51:09,667 --> 01:51:11,299 because it’s gonna take so long to roll it out. We’re we’re 3973 01:51:11,299 --> 01:51:12,000 to roll it out. We’re we’re competing with the rest of the 3974 01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:13,267 competing with the rest of the world for the vaccines, even 3975 01:51:13,267 --> 01:51:14,467 world for the vaccines, even though we’ve already bought a 3976 01:51:14,467 --> 01:51:15,567 though we’ve already bought a millions of supplies a very 3977 01:51:15,567 --> 01:51:16,900 millions of supplies a very different maxis, but also just 3978 01:51:16,900 --> 01:51:18,533 different maxis, but also just the simple practicality of you 3979 01:51:18,533 --> 01:51:20,000 the simple practicality of you can give it to all the elderly 3980 01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:22,399 can give it to all the elderly and vulnerable people. But that 3981 01:51:22,399 --> 01:51:23,733 and vulnerable people. But that doesn’t mean that everyone else 3982 01:51:23,733 --> 01:51:25,300 doesn’t mean that everyone else is unable to go about their 3983 01:51:25,300 --> 01:51:27,299 is unable to go about their normal business quite. We’ve 3984 01:51:27,299 --> 01:51:28,400 normal business quite. We’ve ordered several million 3985 01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:29,967 ordered several million bonuses. I forget what it is 3986 01:51:29,967 --> 01:51:31,299 bonuses. I forget what it is exactly, but I’d I’d not show 3987 01:51:31,299 --> 01:51:32,933 exactly, but I’d I’d not show the time frame on that is going 3988 01:51:32,933 --> 01:51:34,967 the time frame on that is going to be It won’t be all in one 3989 01:51:34,967 --> 01:51:36,300 to be It won’t be all in one go, but they’re not all 3990 01:51:36,300 --> 01:51:36,900 go, but they’re not all arriving on the first of 3991 01:51:36,900 --> 01:51:37,967 arriving on the first of December. are they no no 3992 01:51:37,967 --> 01:51:40,334 December. are they no no they’re not um and then we’ve 3993 01:51:40,334 --> 01:51:42,734 they’re not um and then we’ve got uh about 12000000 people 3994 01:51:42,734 --> 01:51:45,867 got uh about 12000000 people over 65 in this country Um you 3995 01:51:45,867 --> 01:51:48,300 over 65 in this country Um you take that 180 days between the 3996 01:51:48,300 --> 01:51:49,967 take that 180 days between the beginning of December and the 3997 01:51:49,967 --> 01:51:52,467 beginning of December and the end of May uh even going at 3998 01:51:52,467 --> 01:51:53,333 end of May uh even going at 100000 a day which will be 3999 01:51:53,333 --> 01:51:54,499 100000 a day which will be quite be quite a lot. If you 4000 01:51:54,499 --> 01:51:55,733 quite be quite a lot. If you about it, that’s that’s uh 4001 01:51:55,733 --> 01:51:58,133 about it, that’s that’s uh that’s good. Quite some time to 4002 01:51:58,133 --> 01:52:00,533 that’s good. Quite some time to get through 12000000 people. 4003 01:52:00,533 --> 01:52:01,367 get through 12000000 people. Yeah, I mean that’s that’s the 4004 01:52:01,367 --> 01:52:02,466 Yeah, I mean that’s that’s the reality. and of course, the 4005 01:52:02,466 --> 01:52:04,467 reality. and of course, the risk is uh you know we as with 4006 01:52:04,467 --> 01:52:06,000 risk is uh you know we as with all vaccines, even if it’s like 4007 01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:07,599 all vaccines, even if it’s like when we have, Mr and things for 4008 01:52:07,599 --> 01:52:09,867 when we have, Mr and things for our kids, you need a certain 4009 01:52:09,867 --> 01:52:10,500 our kids, you need a certain percentage of the uh of people 4010 01:52:10,500 --> 01:52:12,334 percentage of the uh of people to have had the vaccine for 4011 01:52:12,334 --> 01:52:13,900 to have had the vaccine for that to get that herd immunity 4012 01:52:13,900 --> 01:52:14,467 that to get that herd immunity that we’ve had so much. Yeah. 4013 01:52:14,467 --> 01:52:16,800 that we’ve had so much. Yeah. and we don’t know that this 4014 01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:17,967 and we don’t know that this vaccine can actually provide 4015 01:52:17,967 --> 01:52:19,434 vaccine can actually provide her immunity and we were only 4016 01:52:19,434 --> 01:52:20,967 her immunity and we were only find that out with time over 4017 01:52:20,967 --> 01:52:23,467 find that out with time over the course of next year because 4018 01:52:23,467 --> 01:52:25,666 the course of next year because we know from the data that it’s 4019 01:52:25,666 --> 01:52:27,399 we know from the data that it’s prevents. People from getting 4020 01:52:27,399 --> 01:52:28,234 prevents. People from getting sick when they picked up the 4021 01:52:28,234 --> 01:52:30,000 sick when they picked up the virus, we don’t yet know we can 4022 01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:31,834 virus, we don’t yet know we can only know this with time 4023 01:52:31,834 --> 01:52:33,399 only know this with time whether it actually stops them 4024 01:52:33,399 --> 01:52:34,533 whether it actually stops them from picking up the virus and 4025 01:52:34,533 --> 01:52:36,833 from picking up the virus and tracking it in the place. You 4026 01:52:36,833 --> 01:52:38,334 tracking it in the place. You can’t know that yet, let’s also 4027 01:52:38,334 --> 01:52:39,800 can’t know that yet, let’s also talk about uh masks a new 4028 01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:41,200 talk about uh masks a new Danish study being published 4029 01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:42,500 Danish study being published now again, I don’t find I don’t 4030 01:52:42,500 --> 01:52:43,766 now again, I don’t find I don’t find it’s all surprising that 4031 01:52:43,766 --> 01:52:45,800 find it’s all surprising that it’s not on front page of every 4032 01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:47,300 it’s not on front page of every newspaper we’ve been waiting 4033 01:52:47,300 --> 01:52:47,966 newspaper we’ve been waiting for months and months and 4034 01:52:47,966 --> 01:52:49,766 for months and months and months to some sort of proper 4035 01:52:49,766 --> 01:52:51,500 months to some sort of proper uh real genuine, you know a 4036 01:52:51,500 --> 01:52:53,433 uh real genuine, you know a blind trust about masks uh you 4037 01:52:53,433 --> 01:52:54,133 blind trust about masks uh you know actually having you know 4038 01:52:54,133 --> 01:52:57,267 know actually having you know having people. One scenario not 4039 01:52:57,267 --> 01:52:58,334 having people. One scenario not wearing mask and actually we 4040 01:52:58,334 --> 01:52:59,399 wearing mask and actually we got to prepare. It’s a 4041 01:52:59,399 --> 01:53:00,767 got to prepare. It’s a dangerous supermarket, Some 4042 01:53:00,767 --> 01:53:02,533 dangerous supermarket, Some 3000 people uh basically for 4043 01:53:02,533 --> 01:53:04,933 3000 people uh basically for the winners of the masks it 4044 01:53:04,933 --> 01:53:07,434 the winners of the masks it there was really no difference 4045 01:53:07,434 --> 01:53:07,967 there was really no difference whatsoever statistically in 4046 01:53:07,967 --> 01:53:08,933 whatsoever statistically in terms of their risk of getting 4047 01:53:08,933 --> 01:53:10,667 terms of their risk of getting the virus or not what they’ve 4048 01:53:10,667 --> 01:53:11,900 the virus or not what they’ve not been able to establish is 4049 01:53:11,900 --> 01:53:13,299 not been able to establish is whether or not that actually 4050 01:53:13,299 --> 01:53:15,399 whether or not that actually you wearing a mask protects 4051 01:53:15,399 --> 01:53:17,034 you wearing a mask protects someone else because the ethics 4052 01:53:17,034 --> 01:53:18,500 someone else because the ethics of doing that would be awful, 4053 01:53:18,500 --> 01:53:20,833 of doing that would be awful, you could possibly uh carry out 4054 01:53:20,833 --> 01:53:23,234 you could possibly uh carry out that sort of study. No that’s 4055 01:53:23,234 --> 01:53:25,634 that sort of study. No that’s that is almost. Possible to 4056 01:53:25,634 --> 01:53:27,766 that is almost. Possible to carry out, but I would just say 4057 01:53:27,766 --> 01:53:29,399 carry out, but I would just say this that months ago when there 4058 01:53:29,399 --> 01:53:31,767 this that months ago when there was the debate around the 4059 01:53:31,767 --> 01:53:34,334 was the debate around the advocates were very angry and 4060 01:53:34,334 --> 01:53:36,900 advocates were very angry and very uh adamant that even the 4061 01:53:36,900 --> 01:53:38,267 very uh adamant that even the sort of trial has been carried 4062 01:53:38,267 --> 01:53:39,867 sort of trial has been carried out by the day was impossible 4063 01:53:39,867 --> 01:53:41,533 out by the day was impossible and we should shut up and to 4064 01:53:41,533 --> 01:53:45,133 and we should shut up and to stop asking for it. um right as 4065 01:53:45,133 --> 01:53:46,967 stop asking for it. um right as you know, always like to see 4066 01:53:46,967 --> 01:53:50,533 you know, always like to see the data always um but uh there 4067 01:53:50,533 --> 01:53:52,566 the data always um but uh there are there are ways of doing uh 4068 01:53:52,566 --> 01:53:53,667 are there are ways of doing uh other sorts of experiments to 4069 01:53:53,667 --> 01:53:56,000 other sorts of experiments to find that. And in due course, 4070 01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:57,299 find that. And in due course, we’ll we’ll get a better but 4071 01:53:57,299 --> 01:53:58,599 we’ll we’ll get a better but again we previously heard you 4072 01:53:58,599 --> 01:54:00,533 again we previously heard you about how work again this year, 4073 01:54:00,533 --> 01:54:03,767 about how work again this year, the study in operating theaters 4074 01:54:03,767 --> 01:54:05,500 the study in operating theaters in in a computer modeling. It’s 4075 01:54:05,500 --> 01:54:07,133 in in a computer modeling. It’s not the same as how people wear 4076 01:54:07,133 --> 01:54:09,300 not the same as how people wear their masks in real life. Um 4077 01:54:09,300 --> 01:54:10,799 their masks in real life. Um there’s never really been very 4078 01:54:10,799 --> 01:54:11,966 there’s never really been very much evidence that made much 4079 01:54:11,966 --> 01:54:14,434 much evidence that made much difference. I know I don’t mind 4080 01:54:14,434 --> 01:54:15,967 difference. I know I don’t mind wearing my mask where and again 4081 01:54:15,967 --> 01:54:16,900 wearing my mask where and again I do work with Laura require me 4082 01:54:16,900 --> 01:54:18,334 I do work with Laura require me to do it. then I do it as 4083 01:54:18,334 --> 01:54:19,800 to do it. then I do it as simple as that, but um but if 4084 01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:20,733 simple as that, but um but if we’re gonna base everything on 4085 01:54:20,733 --> 01:54:22,000 we’re gonna base everything on the site so people have got to 4086 01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:23,133 the site so people have got to stop thinking that the mask is 4087 01:54:23,133 --> 01:54:25,399 stop thinking that the mask is protecting them. It may 4088 01:54:25,399 --> 01:54:28,000 protecting them. It may possibly on balance, protect 4089 01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:29,267 possibly on balance, protect other people from you, someone 4090 01:54:29,267 --> 01:54:30,767 other people from you, someone sneezing or coughing and large 4091 01:54:30,767 --> 01:54:32,467 sneezing or coughing and large droplets in a confined space, 4092 01:54:32,467 --> 01:54:35,133 droplets in a confined space, but uh the obsession with mask 4093 01:54:35,133 --> 01:54:36,367 but uh the obsession with mask wearing probably is overplay. 4094 01:54:36,367 --> 01:54:39,100 wearing probably is overplay. isn’t it? Oh? yeah, we hear all 4095 01:54:39,100 --> 01:54:41,267 isn’t it? Oh? yeah, we hear all sorts of statistics and data 4096 01:54:41,267 --> 01:54:42,000 sorts of statistics and data being sped by people 4097 01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:43,967 being sped by people particularly in the United 4098 01:54:43,967 --> 01:54:45,900 particularly in the United States. Uh the rules are wear a 4099 01:54:45,900 --> 01:54:48,033 States. Uh the rules are wear a mask. so wear a mask. Yeah, but 4100 01:54:48,033 --> 01:54:49,334 mask. so wear a mask. Yeah, but again the rule should be based 4101 01:54:49,334 --> 01:54:51,167 again the rule should be based on science so if on balance and 4102 01:54:51,167 --> 01:54:52,000 on science so if on balance and happy to do it, but I do think 4103 01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:53,800 happy to do it, but I do think we need to be a bit clear that 4104 01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:54,800 we need to be a bit clear that actually they don’t 4105 01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:56,000 actually they don’t necessarily. we don’t know 4106 01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:56,799 necessarily. we don’t know whether or not they save their 4107 01:54:56,799 --> 01:54:57,466 whether or not they save their lives. Let’s also just talk 4108 01:54:57,466 --> 01:54:58,966 lives. Let’s also just talk about just finding. Public 4109 01:54:58,966 --> 01:55:00,466 about just finding. Public Health England You should 4110 01:55:00,466 --> 01:55:02,300 Health England You should report looking at AT cell 4111 01:55:02,300 --> 01:55:03,800 report looking at AT cell immunity that possibly a 4112 01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:04,299 immunity that possibly a quarter of the population may 4113 01:55:04,299 --> 01:55:06,800 quarter of the population may have some immunity very early 4114 01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:08,066 have some immunity very early on to this this virus because 4115 01:55:08,066 --> 01:55:10,466 on to this this virus because they’ve previous Corona 4116 01:55:10,466 --> 01:55:11,833 they’ve previous Corona viruses. They’ve got two not 4117 01:55:11,833 --> 01:55:12,634 viruses. They’ve got two not antibodies. now. This is stuff 4118 01:55:12,634 --> 01:55:14,334 antibodies. now. This is stuff that people like Mike Eden, 4119 01:55:14,334 --> 01:55:15,967 that people like Mike Eden, former VP adviser who’s spoken 4120 01:55:15,967 --> 01:55:16,533 former VP adviser who’s spoken on the show many times he’s 4121 01:55:16,533 --> 01:55:18,334 on the show many times he’s been talking about for a long 4122 01:55:18,334 --> 01:55:19,800 been talking about for a long time. Other people who’ve been 4123 01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:21,367 time. Other people who’ve been completely poo pooed people 4124 01:55:21,367 --> 01:55:22,867 completely poo pooed people like go to the great bar to 4125 01:55:22,867 --> 01:55:24,334 like go to the great bar to decoration and others. Um I 4126 01:55:24,334 --> 01:55:25,767 decoration and others. Um I mean it’s amazing public health 4127 01:55:25,767 --> 01:55:26,599 mean it’s amazing public health to discover something that has 4128 01:55:26,599 --> 01:55:30,933 to discover something that has been known to ver. For decades, 4129 01:55:30,933 --> 01:55:32,334 been known to ver. For decades, yeah, but we we don’t know that 4130 01:55:32,334 --> 01:55:34,734 yeah, but we we don’t know that T cell response actually 4131 01:55:34,734 --> 01:55:37,399 T cell response actually provides any uh any protection 4132 01:55:37,399 --> 01:55:39,733 provides any uh any protection um just having t cells in and 4133 01:55:39,733 --> 01:55:42,734 um just having t cells in and of itself does not necessarily 4134 01:55:42,734 --> 01:55:44,301 of itself does not necessarily provide protection and so the 4135 01:55:44,301 --> 01:55:45,233 provide protection and so the the authorities have to work 4136 01:55:45,233 --> 01:55:47,300 the authorities have to work basis that it doesn’t because 4137 01:55:47,300 --> 01:55:48,634 basis that it doesn’t because it might not okay. Well, we 4138 01:55:48,634 --> 01:55:49,967 it might not okay. Well, we shall see but again, this is 4139 01:55:49,967 --> 01:55:51,800 shall see but again, this is one of the arguments about that 4140 01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:53,300 one of the arguments about that we may actually have a level of 4141 01:55:53,300 --> 01:55:55,766 we may actually have a level of herd immunity previously uh 4142 01:55:55,766 --> 01:55:57,334 herd immunity previously uh before the virus and in many 4143 01:55:57,334 --> 01:55:58,300 before the virus and in many parts of the country already up 4144 01:55:58,300 --> 01:56:00,766 parts of the country already up again, No. Out time it will 4145 01:56:00,766 --> 01:56:01,634 again, No. Out time it will always happy to talk to you. 4146 01:56:01,634 --> 01:56:02,500 always happy to talk to you. Doctor Simon Thank you very 4147 01:56:02,500 --> 01:56:04,000 Doctor Simon Thank you very much Indeed. uh Steve Allen is 4148 01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:05,500 much Indeed. uh Steve Allen is still still joining me as a 4149 01:56:05,500 --> 01:56:06,234 still still joining me as a comedian and former chemist 4150 01:56:06,234 --> 01:56:07,500 comedian and former chemist look. You’ve got your your 4151 01:56:07,500 --> 01:56:09,434 look. You’ve got your your medical hat on um a lot of the 4152 01:56:09,434 --> 01:56:10,466 medical hat on um a lot of the arguments over you know what 4153 01:56:10,466 --> 01:56:11,967 arguments over you know what what what science we should be 4154 01:56:11,967 --> 01:56:13,267 what what science we should be following uh based on actually, 4155 01:56:13,267 --> 01:56:15,466 following uh based on actually, you know the things like the 4156 01:56:15,466 --> 01:56:16,667 you know the things like the mask like this concept of the T 4157 01:56:16,667 --> 01:56:17,733 mask like this concept of the T cell. Most of us have never 4158 01:56:17,733 --> 01:56:19,567 cell. Most of us have never heard of T cells until this 4159 01:56:19,567 --> 01:56:21,167 heard of T cells until this year, but you know the science 4160 01:56:21,167 --> 01:56:22,500 year, but you know the science is changing and new evidence is 4161 01:56:22,500 --> 01:56:24,000 is changing and new evidence is coming forward there. There’s a 4162 01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:24,999 coming forward there. There’s a there’s a real need and a 4163 01:56:24,999 --> 01:56:26,434 there’s a real need and a demand now that we see the 4164 01:56:26,434 --> 01:56:27,267 demand now that we see the science and we know what 4165 01:56:27,267 --> 01:56:27,966 science and we know what science the government’s 4166 01:56:27,966 --> 01:56:30,300 science the government’s following. Yes, definitely, 4167 01:56:30,300 --> 01:56:32,733 following. Yes, definitely, there’s also a responsibility 4168 01:56:32,733 --> 01:56:35,067 there’s also a responsibility on all of us to actually be in 4169 01:56:35,067 --> 01:56:37,000 on all of us to actually be in our understanding of the 4170 01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:37,834 our understanding of the science that comes out because 4171 01:56:37,834 --> 01:56:39,867 science that comes out because what I see on social media. A 4172 01:56:39,867 --> 01:56:40,967 what I see on social media. A lot is that you get this sense 4173 01:56:40,967 --> 01:56:42,634 lot is that you get this sense sense sense of consensus, which 4174 01:56:42,634 --> 01:56:44,000 sense sense of consensus, which people start to disagree with 4175 01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:45,367 people start to disagree with and then they find one 4176 01:56:45,367 --> 01:56:47,067 and then they find one scientist who disagrees with it 4177 01:56:47,067 --> 01:56:49,267 scientist who disagrees with it and that thinks they prove that 4178 01:56:49,267 --> 01:56:50,433 and that thinks they prove that proves everything they think 4179 01:56:50,433 --> 01:56:51,900 proves everything they think right it just raises doubts 4180 01:56:51,900 --> 01:56:53,667 right it just raises doubts just because you find one sign 4181 01:56:53,667 --> 01:56:54,967 just because you find one sign up. It’s it isn’t the question 4182 01:56:54,967 --> 01:56:56,000 up. It’s it isn’t the question whether it’s one scientist. 4183 01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:56,933 whether it’s one scientist. It’s what the data says. That’s 4184 01:56:56,933 --> 01:56:58,967 It’s what the data says. That’s the thing the always has. It 4185 01:56:58,967 --> 01:57:00,399 the thing the always has. It seems to be against the people 4186 01:57:00,399 --> 01:57:02,533 seems to be against the people who make the claim. No just 4187 01:57:02,533 --> 01:57:04,467 who make the claim. No just what is the data the either 4188 01:57:04,467 --> 01:57:06,634 what is the data the either right or wrong, It seems to. 4189 01:57:06,634 --> 01:57:07,767 right or wrong, It seems to. that’s what I mean. it’s yeah, 4190 01:57:07,767 --> 01:57:08,667 that’s what I mean. it’s yeah, but it’s not about Hancock 4191 01:57:08,667 --> 01:57:10,301 but it’s not about Hancock earlier the week calling Carl 4192 01:57:10,301 --> 01:57:11,933 earlier the week calling Carl Hennigan of evidence based 4193 01:57:11,933 --> 01:57:12,567 Hennigan of evidence based medicine in Oxford and out 4194 01:57:12,567 --> 01:57:14,267 medicine in Oxford and out well. I’m sure Einstein was an 4195 01:57:14,267 --> 01:57:15,933 well. I’m sure Einstein was an outlier and you know I mean the 4196 01:57:15,933 --> 01:57:17,500 outlier and you know I mean the people you argue with the argue 4197 01:57:17,500 --> 01:57:19,034 people you argue with the argue with the with the argue with 4198 01:57:19,034 --> 01:57:20,000 with the with the argue with the data rather than argue with 4199 01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:21,299 the data rather than argue with the person is what I would 4200 01:57:21,299 --> 01:57:22,634 the person is what I would suggest uh thank you very much 4201 01:57:22,634 --> 01:57:23,166 suggest uh thank you very much for that. We’ll have to do 4202 01:57:23,166 --> 01:57:24,533 for that. We’ll have to do that. let’s uh get to my next 4203 01:57:24,533 --> 01:57:25,834 that. let’s uh get to my next guest before we get to the 4204 01:57:25,834 --> 01:57:27,434 guest before we get to the news. Tom is chair of the 4205 01:57:27,434 --> 01:57:29,334 news. Tom is chair of the select. And a conservative MP 4206 01:57:29,334 --> 01:57:30,166 select. And a conservative MP joins us now to talk about well 4207 01:57:30,166 --> 01:57:31,900 joins us now to talk about well a number of different things, 4208 01:57:31,900 --> 01:57:33,434 a number of different things, including the defense spending 4209 01:57:33,434 --> 01:57:35,901 including the defense spending boost um good morning. How are 4210 01:57:35,901 --> 01:57:37,299 boost um good morning. How are you very well? indeed a lot of 4211 01:57:37,299 --> 01:57:38,033 you very well? indeed a lot of people uh particularly those 4212 01:57:38,033 --> 01:57:39,967 people uh particularly those working in the public sector. 4213 01:57:39,967 --> 01:57:41,366 working in the public sector. We’re gonna be told next week 4214 01:57:41,366 --> 01:57:42,834 We’re gonna be told next week they’re gonna get a public 4215 01:57:42,834 --> 01:57:44,399 they’re gonna get a public sector pay freeze unless they 4216 01:57:44,399 --> 01:57:45,800 sector pay freeze unless they are working in the NS uh might 4217 01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:47,167 are working in the NS uh might perhaps be a little a little 4218 01:57:47,167 --> 01:57:47,966 perhaps be a little a little bit unhappy about it when we 4219 01:57:47,966 --> 01:57:49,434 bit unhappy about it when we know the government has got 4220 01:57:49,434 --> 01:57:50,133 know the government has got spare cash cuz they spent more 4221 01:57:50,133 --> 01:57:52,299 spare cash cuz they spent more than 16000000000 pounds in 4222 01:57:52,299 --> 01:57:54,000 than 16000000000 pounds in defense spending announced 4223 01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:56,333 defense spending announced yesterday. um how you gonna 4224 01:57:56,333 --> 01:57:57,167 yesterday. um how you gonna sell that one to the public 4225 01:57:57,167 --> 01:57:58,400 sell that one to the public Well, I’m afraid it’s one. 4226 01:57:58,400 --> 01:57:59,834 Well, I’m afraid it’s one. Those things that matters and 4227 01:57:59,834 --> 01:58:01,667 Those things that matters and it just matters because the 4228 01:58:01,667 --> 01:58:02,733 it just matters because the world is changing incredibly 4229 01:58:02,733 --> 01:58:03,966 world is changing incredibly fast. We know that uh you know 4230 01:58:03,966 --> 01:58:05,434 fast. We know that uh you know you and I have spoken about the 4231 01:58:05,434 --> 01:58:06,999 you and I have spoken about the threats that are coming up 4232 01:58:06,999 --> 01:58:08,301 threats that are coming up around the world from uh 4233 01:58:08,301 --> 01:58:09,034 around the world from uh countries that are trying to 4234 01:58:09,034 --> 01:58:11,766 countries that are trying to change uh the way we uh work 4235 01:58:11,766 --> 01:58:13,333 change uh the way we uh work the way we travel 4236 01:58:13,333 --> 01:58:13,900 the way we travel internationally the way we 4237 01:58:13,900 --> 01:58:15,067 internationally the way we trade in countries like China 4238 01:58:15,067 --> 01:58:16,399 trade in countries like China that are fundamentally 4239 01:58:16,399 --> 01:58:17,334 that are fundamentally challenging our system. But we 4240 01:58:17,334 --> 01:58:18,767 challenging our system. But we also know that things like 4241 01:58:18,767 --> 01:58:20,267 also know that things like technology and covet and even 4242 01:58:20,267 --> 01:58:21,933 technology and covet and even Brexit are changing the way 4243 01:58:21,933 --> 01:58:22,999 Brexit are changing the way that we interact and that’s why 4244 01:58:22,999 --> 01:58:25,300 that we interact and that’s why we really need to invest in how 4245 01:58:25,300 --> 01:58:26,733 we really need to invest in how we work with others around the 4246 01:58:26,733 --> 01:58:27,800 we work with others around the world and how we defend our 4247 01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:29,533 world and how we defend our interest and work with partners 4248 01:58:29,533 --> 01:58:30,767 interest and work with partners and I’m afraid you know I wish 4249 01:58:30,767 --> 01:58:32,234 and I’m afraid you know I wish we had a choice on this. I wish 4250 01:58:32,234 --> 01:58:33,733 we had a choice on this. I wish we did have an ability to say, 4251 01:58:33,733 --> 01:58:35,234 we did have an ability to say, Hey hang. We’re locked out of 4252 01:58:35,234 --> 01:58:36,234 Hey hang. We’re locked out of the world for a few years and 4253 01:58:36,234 --> 01:58:36,700 the world for a few years and we’ll come back when we’re 4254 01:58:36,700 --> 01:58:38,867 we’ll come back when we’re ready, but that’s just not how 4255 01:58:38,867 --> 01:58:39,766 ready, but that’s just not how it works. Uh the world is 4256 01:58:39,766 --> 01:58:41,366 it works. Uh the world is changing around us. Um do you 4257 01:58:41,366 --> 01:58:42,467 changing around us. Um do you think that it might be a good 4258 01:58:42,467 --> 01:58:44,533 think that it might be a good idea for MPs to vote to agree 4259 01:58:44,533 --> 01:58:46,333 idea for MPs to vote to agree that they don’t take their more 4260 01:58:46,333 --> 01:58:48,000 that they don’t take their more than 3000 pound pay rise that 4261 01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:49,233 than 3000 pound pay rise that they are going to be approved 4262 01:58:49,233 --> 01:58:50,599 they are going to be approved next April at a time when the 4263 01:58:50,599 --> 01:58:52,133 next April at a time when the public finance is gonna be in 4264 01:58:52,133 --> 01:58:53,334 public finance is gonna be in the doldrums. um you know 4265 01:58:53,334 --> 01:58:55,800 the doldrums. um you know you’re already on what top 10% 4266 01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:57,667 you’re already on what top 10% earnings um reality is you know 4267 01:58:57,667 --> 01:58:58,734 earnings um reality is you know if you if you’re gonna be sent 4268 01:58:58,734 --> 01:58:59,967 if you if you’re gonna be sent to soldiers and police 4269 01:58:59,967 --> 01:59:01,333 to soldiers and police officers, you’re getting a pay 4270 01:59:01,333 --> 01:59:02,367 officers, you’re getting a pay freeze whether or not, it’s the 4271 01:59:02,367 --> 01:59:04,101 freeze whether or not, it’s the body that decides these things. 4272 01:59:04,101 --> 01:59:05,334 body that decides these things. It says she’s you’re worth an 4273 01:59:05,334 --> 01:59:07,167 It says she’s you’re worth an extra three K. Yeah is kind of 4274 01:59:07,167 --> 01:59:08,599 extra three K. Yeah is kind of irrelevant. Look. I’ve never 4275 01:59:08,599 --> 01:59:09,933 irrelevant. Look. I’ve never negotiating my pay when I’ve 4276 01:59:09,933 --> 01:59:10,800 negotiating my pay when I’ve been being in the public 4277 01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:12,167 been being in the public sector. I didn’t do it when I 4278 01:59:12,167 --> 01:59:13,300 sector. I didn’t do it when I was in the army. I don’t do it 4279 01:59:13,300 --> 01:59:15,100 was in the army. I don’t do it now. uh there isn’t a good way 4280 01:59:15,100 --> 01:59:16,267 now. uh there isn’t a good way of doing this. There really 4281 01:59:16,267 --> 01:59:17,566 of doing this. There really isn’t there’s two ways well 4282 01:59:17,566 --> 01:59:20,033 isn’t there’s two ways well there is well there’s two ways 4283 01:59:20,033 --> 01:59:20,733 there is well there’s two ways of doing it. Julia. There are 4284 01:59:20,733 --> 01:59:22,000 of doing it. Julia. There are two ways of MP doing pay 4285 01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:23,267 two ways of MP doing pay either. an independent group 4286 01:59:23,267 --> 01:59:24,733 either. an independent group does it or I vote for my own 4287 01:59:24,733 --> 01:59:26,000 does it or I vote for my own pay? Uh I just don’t think it’s 4288 01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:27,900 pay? Uh I just don’t think it’s a good idea for me to be voting 4289 01:59:27,900 --> 01:59:28,733 a good idea for me to be voting to tell you to pay me more. I 4290 01:59:28,733 --> 01:59:29,834 to tell you to pay me more. I really don’t. I think it’s 4291 01:59:29,834 --> 01:59:30,967 really don’t. I think it’s better that I leave it to 4292 01:59:30,967 --> 01:59:32,533 better that I leave it to independent people to decide I 4293 01:59:32,533 --> 01:59:33,800 independent people to decide I do think it would be wrong for 4294 01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:36,200 do think it would be wrong for them to put up uh politician. 4295 01:59:36,200 --> 01:59:39,133 them to put up uh politician. Pay if a public sector workers 4296 01:59:39,133 --> 01:59:41,333 Pay if a public sector workers are not uh you know are not 4297 01:59:41,333 --> 01:59:41,966 are not uh you know are not going up at the same time. I 4298 01:59:41,966 --> 01:59:43,067 going up at the same time. I mean you know, I think that’s I 4299 01:59:43,067 --> 01:59:44,301 mean you know, I think that’s I think that’s in the obvious 4300 01:59:44,301 --> 01:59:45,334 think that’s in the obvious that politicians should be in 4301 01:59:45,334 --> 01:59:46,300 that politicians should be in line with public sector 4302 01:59:46,300 --> 01:59:47,734 line with public sector workers, but I really don’t 4303 01:59:47,734 --> 01:59:49,833 workers, but I really don’t think it’s a good idea that 4304 01:59:49,833 --> 01:59:50,267 think it’s a good idea that politicians decide their own 4305 01:59:50,267 --> 01:59:51,767 politicians decide their own pay. No. I think a lot of 4306 01:59:51,767 --> 01:59:52,399 pay. No. I think a lot of that’s the reason why it was 4307 01:59:52,399 --> 01:59:53,700 that’s the reason why it was taken out of politicians. hands 4308 01:59:53,700 --> 01:59:55,267 taken out of politicians. hands wasn’t it um can also ask you 4309 01:59:55,267 --> 01:59:56,599 wasn’t it um can also ask you about the bullying report into 4310 01:59:56,599 --> 01:59:57,967 about the bullying report into Bridge Patel. Uh we understand 4311 01:59:57,967 --> 01:59:59,800 Bridge Patel. Uh we understand the report when it has now been 4312 01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:00,467 the report when it has now been leak could well be published 4313 02:00:00,467 --> 02:00:01,900 leak could well be published today. Uh Boris Johnson has had 4314 02:00:01,900 --> 02:00:03,333 today. Uh Boris Johnson has had it on his desk for a couple of 4315 02:00:03,333 --> 02:00:05,399 it on his desk for a couple of months, but but a home office 4316 02:00:05,399 --> 02:00:06,899 months, but but a home office inquiry into whether or not so 4317 02:00:06,899 --> 02:00:08,467 inquiry into whether or not so she uh had bullied a staff 4318 02:00:08,467 --> 02:00:09,899 she uh had bullied a staff claims to be made even from her 4319 02:00:09,899 --> 02:00:11,567 claims to be made even from her former permanent secretary uh 4320 02:00:11,567 --> 02:00:13,500 former permanent secretary uh she. Uh has found to have 4321 02:00:13,500 --> 02:00:14,867 she. Uh has found to have breached the ministerial code 4322 02:00:14,867 --> 02:00:16,367 breached the ministerial code she’s expected to apologize. 4323 02:00:16,367 --> 02:00:17,400 she’s expected to apologize. Now, it was said she had not 4324 02:00:17,400 --> 02:00:18,767 Now, it was said she had not always met the high standards 4325 02:00:18,767 --> 02:00:19,900 always met the high standards required ministers, although 4326 02:00:19,900 --> 02:00:20,467 required ministers, although although they said some actions 4327 02:00:20,467 --> 02:00:22,800 although they said some actions may be unintentional. They also 4328 02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:24,066 may be unintentional. They also criticize some senior civil 4329 02:00:24,066 --> 02:00:25,834 criticize some senior civil servants as well. Um easy 4330 02:00:25,834 --> 02:00:28,334 servants as well. Um easy really terrible for Patel to be 4331 02:00:28,334 --> 02:00:29,967 really terrible for Patel to be found to have bullied her staff 4332 02:00:29,967 --> 02:00:32,267 found to have bullied her staff and to remain in her job Well, 4333 02:00:32,267 --> 02:00:33,667 and to remain in her job Well, let’s read. let’s read what the 4334 02:00:33,667 --> 02:00:35,167 let’s read. let’s read what the report says. I haven’t read it. 4335 02:00:35,167 --> 02:00:36,599 report says. I haven’t read it. uh yet I will read it when it 4336 02:00:36,599 --> 02:00:37,933 uh yet I will read it when it comes out uh but I think it’s 4337 02:00:37,933 --> 02:00:39,733 comes out uh but I think it’s important that we stand up to 4338 02:00:39,733 --> 02:00:40,700 important that we stand up to defend those who are bullied 4339 02:00:40,700 --> 02:00:41,967 defend those who are bullied and make sure that uh bullying 4340 02:00:41,967 --> 02:00:44,267 and make sure that uh bullying is stem out of our uh 4341 02:00:44,267 --> 02:00:45,767 is stem out of our uh institutions for public sector 4342 02:00:45,767 --> 02:00:46,599 institutions for public sector as much as possible. uh but 4343 02:00:46,599 --> 02:00:48,000 as much as possible. uh but it’s also important that we. 4344 02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:49,599 it’s also important that we. Have robust politicians who are 4345 02:00:49,599 --> 02:00:51,867 Have robust politicians who are able to uh deliver things that 4346 02:00:51,867 --> 02:00:53,301 able to uh deliver things that that people vote for you know I 4347 02:00:53,301 --> 02:00:54,133 that people vote for you know I don’t know what this report 4348 02:00:54,133 --> 02:00:55,900 don’t know what this report says. I’m not gonna I’m not 4349 02:00:55,900 --> 02:00:56,500 says. I’m not gonna I’m not gonna interpret it uh but I 4350 02:00:56,500 --> 02:00:57,967 gonna interpret it uh but I think it’s uh I think it’s 4351 02:00:57,967 --> 02:00:59,766 think it’s uh I think it’s important that we have people 4352 02:00:59,766 --> 02:01:01,399 important that we have people who can uh you know who can 4353 02:01:01,399 --> 02:01:02,133 who can uh you know who can defend the things that they’ve 4354 02:01:02,133 --> 02:01:03,867 defend the things that they’ve voted to deliver. um do you 4355 02:01:03,867 --> 02:01:04,467 voted to deliver. um do you think there are quite a lot of 4356 02:01:04,467 --> 02:01:05,700 think there are quite a lot of double standards there. Some of 4357 02:01:05,700 --> 02:01:06,734 double standards there. Some of the people are criticizing 4358 02:01:06,734 --> 02:01:08,234 the people are criticizing Pretty Patel, including David, 4359 02:01:08,234 --> 02:01:09,766 Pretty Patel, including David, the Justice Secretary Labor MP 4360 02:01:09,766 --> 02:01:12,000 the Justice Secretary Labor MP uh people who were quite happy 4361 02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:13,967 uh people who were quite happy to defend uh John be speaker 4362 02:01:13,967 --> 02:01:14,967 to defend uh John be speaker when he was doing their 4363 02:01:14,967 --> 02:01:15,933 when he was doing their remaining work for the 4364 02:01:15,933 --> 02:01:16,999 remaining work for the parliament, even though he 4365 02:01:16,999 --> 02:01:21,299 parliament, even though he faced. Allegations and very 4366 02:01:21,299 --> 02:01:22,000 faced. Allegations and very convincing allegations from 4367 02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,299 convincing allegations from senior figures uh about 4368 02:01:24,299 --> 02:01:25,800 senior figures uh about bullying under his leadership. 4369 02:01:25,800 --> 02:01:27,199 bullying under his leadership. well look the only thing I’ll 4370 02:01:27,199 --> 02:01:29,267 well look the only thing I’ll say on that is I saw John 4371 02:01:29,267 --> 02:01:30,800 say on that is I saw John bullying Belittle Andrea on 4372 02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:32,301 bullying Belittle Andrea on numerous occasions on the floor 4373 02:01:32,301 --> 02:01:33,766 numerous occasions on the floor of the House of Commons, indeed 4374 02:01:33,766 --> 02:01:35,700 of the House of Commons, indeed uh in the corridors around it, 4375 02:01:35,700 --> 02:01:37,567 uh in the corridors around it, I actually saw I have never 4376 02:01:37,567 --> 02:01:39,133 I actually saw I have never seen Patel be anything other 4377 02:01:39,133 --> 02:01:41,200 seen Patel be anything other than kind uh to members of the 4378 02:01:41,200 --> 02:01:43,233 than kind uh to members of the committee staff and to uh 4379 02:01:43,233 --> 02:01:45,334 committee staff and to uh individuals uh around now. I’m 4380 02:01:45,334 --> 02:01:46,733 individuals uh around now. I’m not telling you that’s true 4381 02:01:46,733 --> 02:01:49,333 not telling you that’s true everywhere. I don’t know uh but 4382 02:01:49,333 --> 02:01:50,000 everywhere. I don’t know uh but that’s my experience and that’s 4383 02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:51,567 that’s my experience and that’s my experience with John Okay. 4384 02:01:51,567 --> 02:01:54,233 my experience with John Okay. Thank you very much and. Tom 4385 02:01:54,233 --> 02:01:55,267 Thank you very much and. Tom can have their chairs in front 4386 02:01:55,267 --> 02:01:56,867 can have their chairs in front of her select committee 834 is 4387 02:01:56,867 --> 02:01:57,500 of her select committee 834 is the time let’s get the latest 4388 02:01:57,500 --> 02:01:59,300 the time let’s get the latest news headlines here on talk 4389 02:01:59,300 --> 02:02:02,800 news headlines here on talk radio with Ross to radio half 4390 02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:04,799 radio with Ross to radio half hour headlines millions of 4391 02:02:04,799 --> 02:02:05,800 hour headlines millions of public sector workers are 4392 02:02:05,800 --> 02:02:07,299 public sector workers are facing a pay freeze at next 4393 02:02:07,299 --> 02:02:08,766 facing a pay freeze at next week’s spending review is the 4394 02:02:08,766 --> 02:02:09,800 week’s spending review is the chancellor attempts to tackle 4395 02:02:09,800 --> 02:02:10,799 chancellor attempts to tackle the huge financial hits caused 4396 02:02:10,799 --> 02:02:12,867 the huge financial hits caused by Corona virus, teachers and 4397 02:02:12,867 --> 02:02:13,600 by Corona virus, teachers and civil servants will be 4398 02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:15,034 civil servants will be affected, but it’s thought 4399 02:02:15,034 --> 02:02:16,766 affected, but it’s thought front-line n staff workers 4400 02:02:16,766 --> 02:02:18,699 front-line n staff workers won’t be Ben from the Institute 4401 02:02:18,699 --> 02:02:19,866 won’t be Ben from the Institute of Fiscal Studies as total 4402 02:02:19,866 --> 02:02:21,466 of Fiscal Studies as total radio that a pay freeze now 4403 02:02:21,466 --> 02:02:23,034 radio that a pay freeze now would be felt harder after 4404 02:02:23,034 --> 02:02:24,000 would be felt harder after previous government decisions 4405 02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:25,466 previous government decisions on pay this isn’t the first 4406 02:02:25,466 --> 02:02:26,266 on pay this isn’t the first time government of trying to 4407 02:02:26,266 --> 02:02:27,634 time government of trying to keep a lid on public sector pay 4408 02:02:27,634 --> 02:02:30,333 keep a lid on public sector pay rises as he said in twenty. But 4409 02:02:30,333 --> 02:02:31,034 rises as he said in twenty. But importantly, George Osborne is 4410 02:02:31,034 --> 02:02:32,766 importantly, George Osborne is doing it after decade of 4411 02:02:32,766 --> 02:02:33,899 doing it after decade of reasonably generous pay 4412 02:02:33,899 --> 02:02:35,200 reasonably generous pay increases of public sector 4413 02:02:35,200 --> 02:02:36,833 increases of public sector workers. This time it’s gonna 4414 02:02:36,833 --> 02:02:38,400 workers. This time it’s gonna go after a decade of numerous 4415 02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:40,799 go after a decade of numerous pay caps and pay freezes a 4416 02:02:40,799 --> 02:02:42,600 pay caps and pay freezes a decade when people accept to 4417 02:02:42,600 --> 02:02:44,733 decade when people accept to pay on average actually fell by 4418 02:02:44,733 --> 02:02:46,600 pay on average actually fell by 1.3% labor is demanding the 4419 02:02:46,600 --> 02:02:48,000 1.3% labor is demanding the inquiry into allegations of 4420 02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:49,266 inquiry into allegations of bullying by home Secretary 4421 02:02:49,266 --> 02:02:50,799 bullying by home Secretary Patel be published as it’s 4422 02:02:50,799 --> 02:02:51,966 Patel be published as it’s understood the finding so she 4423 02:02:51,966 --> 02:02:53,634 understood the finding so she broke the ministerial code. 4424 02:02:53,634 --> 02:02:54,833 broke the ministerial code. Boris Johnson Upsets Defenders 4425 02:02:54,833 --> 02:02:56,733 Boris Johnson Upsets Defenders Patel, however, and it’s 4426 02:02:56,733 --> 02:02:57,800 Patel, however, and it’s understood she won’t be sacked. 4427 02:02:57,800 --> 02:02:58,799 understood she won’t be sacked. The cabinets Office 4428 02:02:58,799 --> 02:02:59,899 The cabinets Office investigation was launched in 4429 02:02:59,899 --> 02:03:01,266 investigation was launched in March over allegations the home 4430 02:03:01,266 --> 02:03:02,434 March over allegations the home secretary belittled colleagues 4431 02:03:02,434 --> 02:03:03,634 secretary belittled colleagues and clashed with senior 4432 02:03:03,634 --> 02:03:05,266 and clashed with senior officials. All claims that she 4433 02:03:05,266 --> 02:03:06,833 officials. All claims that she denies Northern Island will see 4434 02:03:06,833 --> 02:03:08,400 denies Northern Island will see close contact services reopen 4435 02:03:08,400 --> 02:03:09,767 close contact services reopen today for the first time since 4436 02:03:09,767 --> 02:03:11,200 today for the first time since mid October, but they’ll only 4437 02:03:11,200 --> 02:03:12,500 mid October, but they’ll only be able to trade for a week 4438 02:03:12,500 --> 02:03:13,967 be able to trade for a week before a new Two-week lockdown 4439 02:03:13,967 --> 02:03:15,866 before a new Two-week lockdown comes in next Friday. That 4440 02:03:15,866 --> 02:03:16,400 comes in next Friday. That decision was made after hours 4441 02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:17,899 decision was made after hours of discussions at store and 4442 02:03:17,899 --> 02:03:19,899 of discussions at store and Belfast based journalist Amanda 4443 02:03:19,899 --> 02:03:20,600 Belfast based journalist Amanda Ferguson says people are 4444 02:03:20,600 --> 02:03:22,000 Ferguson says people are impressed with how long this is 4445 02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:24,000 impressed with how long this is this has been taken to sort. I 4446 02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:27,034 this has been taken to sort. I think public confident about 4447 02:03:27,034 --> 02:03:28,099 think public confident about another low at the moment. um I 4448 02:03:28,099 --> 02:03:28,866 another low at the moment. um I think the public have been 4449 02:03:28,866 --> 02:03:30,099 think the public have been watching on at our numbers at 4450 02:03:30,099 --> 02:03:32,099 watching on at our numbers at our case numbers that they are 4451 02:03:32,099 --> 02:03:33,966 our case numbers that they are number at what the. British 4452 02:03:33,966 --> 02:03:35,466 number at what the. British Medical Association and other 4453 02:03:35,466 --> 02:03:37,433 Medical Association and other medical and scientific experts 4454 02:03:37,433 --> 02:03:40,434 medical and scientific experts of I’ve been quite horrified um 4455 02:03:40,434 --> 02:03:42,733 of I’ve been quite horrified um at what they’ve seen unfolding 4456 02:03:42,733 --> 02:03:43,800 at what they’ve seen unfolding amongst politicians, so I think 4457 02:03:43,800 --> 02:03:45,634 amongst politicians, so I think the politicians have a bit of 4458 02:03:45,634 --> 02:03:47,034 the politicians have a bit of work to do to try and rebuild 4459 02:03:47,034 --> 02:03:47,899 work to do to try and rebuild that confidence when this comes 4460 02:03:47,899 --> 02:03:49,266 that confidence when this comes as more than 2000000 people in 4461 02:03:49,266 --> 02:03:50,000 as more than 2000000 people in Scotland are preparing to move 4462 02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:51,466 Scotland are preparing to move into the into the country’s 4463 02:03:51,466 --> 02:03:53,266 into the into the country’s toughest level of Corona virus 4464 02:03:53,266 --> 02:03:54,000 toughest level of Corona virus restrictions level four rules 4465 02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:55,466 restrictions level four rules come into force at six this 4466 02:03:55,466 --> 02:03:57,466 come into force at six this evening, Eleven council areas 4467 02:03:57,466 --> 02:03:59,034 evening, Eleven council areas They include Glasgow sterling 4468 02:03:59,034 --> 02:04:01,634 They include Glasgow sterling and much of the talk Radio 4469 02:04:01,634 --> 02:04:03,200 and much of the talk Radio national weather some heavy 4470 02:04:03,200 --> 02:04:04,766 national weather some heavy rains. To move from West to 4471 02:04:04,766 --> 02:04:05,634 rains. To move from West to east across the UK this 4472 02:04:05,634 --> 02:04:07,266 east across the UK this morning, it’ll be mainly wet in 4473 02:04:07,266 --> 02:04:08,266 morning, it’ll be mainly wet in just the east of England by the 4474 02:04:08,266 --> 02:04:12,000 just the east of England by the afternoon highs of 12° Talk 4475 02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,699 afternoon highs of 12° Talk Radio mills Saturday afternoons 4476 02:04:14,699 --> 02:04:16,733 Radio mills Saturday afternoons from one on to radio. Hello, 4477 02:04:16,733 --> 02:04:18,333 from one on to radio. Hello, This is Bob Mills. Join me this 4478 02:04:18,333 --> 02:04:19,866 This is Bob Mills. Join me this Saturday afternoon on Talk 4479 02:04:19,866 --> 02:04:21,466 Saturday afternoon on Talk radio from 1 o’clock who we got 4480 02:04:21,466 --> 02:04:23,800 radio from 1 o’clock who we got this week. Nick and Eva are on 4481 02:04:23,800 --> 02:04:25,466 this week. Nick and Eva are on the show. comedian Laura Jay 4482 02:04:25,466 --> 02:04:27,966 the show. comedian Laura Jay McDowell from Britain’s Got 4483 02:04:27,966 --> 02:04:30,333 McDowell from Britain’s Got Talent. What about David one of 4484 02:04:30,333 --> 02:04:31,966 Talent. What about David one of the leading American novelist 4485 02:04:31,966 --> 02:04:36,000 the leading American novelist music? And also my very special 4486 02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:38,600 music? And also my very special guest Michael Parkinson, Bob 4487 02:04:38,600 --> 02:04:40,799 guest Michael Parkinson, Bob Mills Saturday afternoons from 4488 02:04:40,799 --> 02:04:45,266 Mills Saturday afternoons from one on Talk radio. Radio Julia 4489 02:04:45,266 --> 02:04:49,067 one on Talk radio. Radio Julia Hartley brewer at breakfast on 4490 02:04:49,067 --> 02:04:51,766 Hartley brewer at breakfast on Top radio Good morning 4491 02:04:51,766 --> 02:04:52,867 Top radio Good morning Breakfast to meet Julia 4492 02:04:52,867 --> 02:04:53,500 Breakfast to meet Julia Absolute pleasure to have your 4493 02:04:53,500 --> 02:04:54,467 Absolute pleasure to have your company this morning and also 4494 02:04:54,467 --> 02:04:55,900 company this morning and also the company of Steve Allen, 4495 02:04:55,900 --> 02:04:57,434 the company of Steve Allen, comedian and former chemist 4496 02:04:57,434 --> 02:04:59,767 comedian and former chemist well uh can never really be 4497 02:04:59,767 --> 02:05:00,967 well uh can never really be another week in this country 4498 02:05:00,967 --> 02:05:03,399 another week in this country without some form of well 4499 02:05:03,399 --> 02:05:04,800 without some form of well basically just trying to ruin 4500 02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:05,799 basically just trying to ruin our fun, particularly as 4501 02:05:05,799 --> 02:05:07,334 our fun, particularly as Christmas is approaching now, 4502 02:05:07,334 --> 02:05:08,133 Christmas is approaching now, I’m not a fan of the Christmas 4503 02:05:08,133 --> 02:05:09,767 I’m not a fan of the Christmas song being played uh before 4504 02:05:09,767 --> 02:05:11,299 song being played uh before first of December whichever 4505 02:05:11,299 --> 02:05:12,000 first of December whichever song it is and everyone’s got 4506 02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:13,399 song it is and everyone’s got their favorites. Everyone’s got 4507 02:05:13,399 --> 02:05:14,367 their favorites. Everyone’s got the ones that’s if I hear that 4508 02:05:14,367 --> 02:05:16,533 the ones that’s if I hear that again. I’ll I’m gonna chop my 4509 02:05:16,533 --> 02:05:18,000 again. I’ll I’m gonna chop my own ears off, but I say one of 4510 02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:19,634 own ears off, but I say one of a lot of people’s favorites. We 4511 02:05:19,634 --> 02:05:20,500 a lot of people’s favorites. We know it’s on every Christmas 4512 02:05:20,500 --> 02:05:22,900 know it’s on every Christmas album is the Pos Fairy Tale of 4513 02:05:22,900 --> 02:05:25,267 album is the Pos Fairy Tale of New York. Here’s a little 4514 02:05:25,267 --> 02:05:28,634 New York. Here’s a little reminder of it. 4515 02:05:29,800 --> 02:05:32,834 Go. 4516 02:05:34,900 --> 02:05:36,434 Well, I mean that that to me 4517 02:05:36,434 --> 02:05:38,301 Well, I mean that that to me what are the sounds of 4518 02:05:38,301 --> 02:05:39,467 what are the sounds of Christmas but yesterday, it was 4519 02:05:39,467 --> 02:05:40,000 Christmas but yesterday, it was announced that radio wanna 4520 02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:42,267 announced that radio wanna gonna be an edited version of 4521 02:05:42,267 --> 02:05:43,900 gonna be an edited version of the Christmas hit to avoid 4522 02:05:43,900 --> 02:05:45,700 the Christmas hit to avoid offending its younger origins 4523 02:05:45,700 --> 02:05:48,000 offending its younger origins now the hit featuring of course 4524 02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:50,333 now the hit featuring of course the late great great uh 4525 02:05:50,333 --> 02:05:51,967 the late great great uh released in 1987 um has been 4526 02:05:51,967 --> 02:05:53,399 released in 1987 um has been the focus of debate a number of 4527 02:05:53,399 --> 02:05:54,800 the focus of debate a number of times uh because of some of its 4528 02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:55,900 times uh because of some of its controversial lyrics, it 4529 02:05:55,900 --> 02:05:56,634 controversial lyrics, it involves a couple who are 4530 02:05:56,634 --> 02:05:58,366 involves a couple who are really quite horrible to each 4531 02:05:58,366 --> 02:05:59,800 really quite horrible to each other and includes uh some 4532 02:05:59,800 --> 02:06:01,399 other and includes uh some words which I’m not gonna say 4533 02:06:01,399 --> 02:06:02,500 words which I’m not gonna say this time of day because 4534 02:06:02,500 --> 02:06:03,233 this time of day because children might be be listening 4535 02:06:03,233 --> 02:06:04,300 children might be be listening and school and that’s because 4536 02:06:04,300 --> 02:06:06,166 and school and that’s because they are off. About these 4537 02:06:06,166 --> 02:06:08,499 they are off. About these things and uh and I and I don’t 4538 02:06:08,499 --> 02:06:09,567 things and uh and I and I don’t want to have parents having to 4539 02:06:09,567 --> 02:06:10,866 want to have parents having to say what is that word mean 4540 02:06:10,866 --> 02:06:11,767 say what is that word mean mommy? However, if you’re 4541 02:06:11,767 --> 02:06:13,500 mommy? However, if you’re listening to radio one, you’re 4542 02:06:13,500 --> 02:06:14,933 listening to radio one, you’re gonna expect to hear songs with 4543 02:06:14,933 --> 02:06:16,399 gonna expect to hear songs with some lyrics that you might not 4544 02:06:16,399 --> 02:06:17,933 some lyrics that you might not necessarily agree with. but 4545 02:06:17,933 --> 02:06:19,267 necessarily agree with. but Radio one say they’re going to 4546 02:06:19,267 --> 02:06:19,967 Radio one say they’re going to water down the track. They feel 4547 02:06:19,967 --> 02:06:21,700 water down the track. They feel the younger listeners are 4548 02:06:21,700 --> 02:06:23,100 the younger listeners are likely to be sensitive to drug 4549 02:06:23,100 --> 02:06:24,567 likely to be sensitive to drug terms about gender and 4550 02:06:24,567 --> 02:06:26,000 terms about gender and sexuality. Well, let’s talk 4551 02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:27,100 sexuality. Well, let’s talk about this with bar Claire for 4552 02:06:27,100 --> 02:06:28,334 about this with bar Claire for is director of the Academy of 4553 02:06:28,334 --> 02:06:29,967 is director of the Academy of Ideas and also the brilliant 4554 02:06:29,967 --> 02:06:32,267 Ideas and also the brilliant book called I find that 4555 02:06:32,267 --> 02:06:33,434 book called I find that Offensive Good morning to you. 4556 02:06:33,434 --> 02:06:35,699 Offensive Good morning to you. Claire Good morning now I’ve. 4557 02:06:35,699 --> 02:06:36,399 Claire Good morning now I’ve. It’s first time I spoke to her 4558 02:06:36,399 --> 02:06:37,267 It’s first time I spoke to her and she become a bars, but I 4559 02:06:37,267 --> 02:06:37,966 and she become a bars, but I hope you don’t mind if we’re 4560 02:06:37,966 --> 02:06:40,399 hope you don’t mind if we’re gonna go over the formality of 4561 02:06:40,399 --> 02:06:43,267 gonna go over the formality of Claire instead of a bar fox. if 4562 02:06:43,267 --> 02:06:44,800 Claire instead of a bar fox. if that’s alright, um I just sort 4563 02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:47,367 that’s alright, um I just sort of censored myself, Then it 4564 02:06:47,367 --> 02:06:49,800 of censored myself, Then it started this discussion uh not 4565 02:06:49,800 --> 02:06:50,833 started this discussion uh not reading out words, which I 4566 02:06:50,833 --> 02:06:52,333 reading out words, which I think a lot of parents would 4567 02:06:52,333 --> 02:06:52,967 think a lot of parents would say, but you know what I’d 4568 02:06:52,967 --> 02:06:54,000 say, but you know what I’d rather than a 6 year old didn’t 4569 02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:55,533 rather than a 6 year old didn’t hear at breakfast or in the car 4570 02:06:55,533 --> 02:06:57,199 hear at breakfast or in the car or on the way to school or 4571 02:06:57,199 --> 02:06:59,667 or on the way to school or whatever um and um, but I mean 4572 02:06:59,667 --> 02:07:00,999 whatever um and um, but I mean I mean and do that all the time 4573 02:07:00,999 --> 02:07:02,000 I mean and do that all the time I don’t want people to be 4574 02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:03,067 I don’t want people to be swearing before 9 o’clock 4575 02:07:03,067 --> 02:07:03,933 swearing before 9 o’clock watershed and they’re like on 4576 02:07:03,933 --> 02:07:06,434 watershed and they’re like on air. Um but um radio one that 4577 02:07:06,434 --> 02:07:07,733 air. Um but um radio one that said, it’s specific. it’s not 4578 02:07:07,733 --> 02:07:09,100 said, it’s specific. it’s not like you can’t use those words. 4579 02:07:09,100 --> 02:07:10,733 like you can’t use those words. They have to be. it’s because 4580 02:07:10,733 --> 02:07:12,299 They have to be. it’s because they would be sent they would 4581 02:07:12,299 --> 02:07:13,834 they would be sent they would be they would be sensitive for 4582 02:07:13,834 --> 02:07:14,599 be they would be sensitive for younger listeners. the 4583 02:07:14,599 --> 02:07:16,333 younger listeners. the millennials would be upset 4584 02:07:16,333 --> 02:07:17,767 millennials would be upset upset about hearing which 4585 02:07:17,767 --> 02:07:20,267 upset about hearing which derogatory terms for gender and 4586 02:07:20,267 --> 02:07:20,967 derogatory terms for gender and sexuality. What do you make of 4587 02:07:20,967 --> 02:07:22,301 sexuality. What do you make of that? I didn’t know that you 4588 02:07:22,301 --> 02:07:24,399 that? I didn’t know that you put the right emphasis on it. 4589 02:07:24,399 --> 02:07:25,900 put the right emphasis on it. These are lyrics in a song in 4590 02:07:25,900 --> 02:07:28,399 These are lyrics in a song in that sense. they’ve got certain 4591 02:07:28,399 --> 02:07:30,400 that sense. they’ve got certain um but because they’re they’re 4592 02:07:30,400 --> 02:07:32,334 um but because they’re they’re what makes the music work and 4593 02:07:32,334 --> 02:07:34,767 what makes the music work and as a a consequence the way that 4594 02:07:34,767 --> 02:07:37,300 as a a consequence the way that the Bbc’s. Made a decision on 4595 02:07:37,300 --> 02:07:39,299 the Bbc’s. Made a decision on behalf of their listener who 4596 02:07:39,299 --> 02:07:40,967 behalf of their listener who they assumed would be offensive 4597 02:07:40,967 --> 02:07:43,399 they assumed would be offensive for political reasons is an act 4598 02:07:43,399 --> 02:07:45,067 for political reasons is an act of censorship and a lot of 4599 02:07:45,067 --> 02:07:46,500 of censorship and a lot of people have said, and I get 4600 02:07:46,500 --> 02:07:47,934 people have said, and I get this, you know they think Oh, 4601 02:07:47,934 --> 02:07:49,399 this, you know they think Oh, this is just people like you 4602 02:07:49,399 --> 02:07:51,933 this is just people like you class staring over controversy 4603 02:07:51,933 --> 02:07:52,734 class staring over controversy over a song. There’s always 4604 02:07:52,734 --> 02:07:54,434 over a song. There’s always trouble about these things 4605 02:07:54,434 --> 02:07:55,966 trouble about these things every year is this part of you 4606 02:07:55,966 --> 02:07:58,300 every year is this part of you stir up the wall, but I mean I 4607 02:07:58,300 --> 02:08:00,766 stir up the wall, but I mean I mean I didn’t issue the The 4608 02:08:00,766 --> 02:08:02,467 mean I didn’t issue the The Bbc’s statement clearly stating 4609 02:08:02,467 --> 02:08:04,166 Bbc’s statement clearly stating it was going to take this act 4610 02:08:04,166 --> 02:08:07,267 it was going to take this act as a political act. And it 4611 02:08:07,267 --> 02:08:07,966 as a political act. And it intrigues young people and not 4612 02:08:07,966 --> 02:08:10,000 intrigues young people and not the children you’re referring 4613 02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:12,766 the children you’re referring to not uh this morning but 4614 02:08:12,766 --> 02:08:14,467 to not uh this morning but actually young teenagers young 4615 02:08:14,467 --> 02:08:15,967 actually young teenagers young people in their 20s to listen 4616 02:08:15,967 --> 02:08:18,233 people in their 20s to listen to radio one he should be and 4617 02:08:18,233 --> 02:08:19,800 to radio one he should be and are familiar with the fact that 4618 02:08:19,800 --> 02:08:21,900 are familiar with the fact that lyrics are part of the art form 4619 02:08:21,900 --> 02:08:23,200 lyrics are part of the art form of whatever song and song and 4620 02:08:23,200 --> 02:08:24,799 of whatever song and song and an awful lot of offensive words 4621 02:08:24,799 --> 02:08:26,467 an awful lot of offensive words in lyrics. So are they gonna go 4622 02:08:26,467 --> 02:08:27,766 in lyrics. So are they gonna go through and kind of comb 4623 02:08:27,766 --> 02:08:28,900 through and kind of comb through them and do the same to 4624 02:08:28,900 --> 02:08:30,567 through them and do the same to every single song? Well? that’s 4625 02:08:30,567 --> 02:08:31,634 every single song? Well? that’s the interesting thing is now we 4626 02:08:31,634 --> 02:08:32,767 the interesting thing is now we used to things like set me 4627 02:08:32,767 --> 02:08:34,500 used to things like set me thinking Kanye West to Fox of 4628 02:08:34,500 --> 02:08:36,766 thinking Kanye West to Fox of Gold Digger. I mean you know, 4629 02:08:36,766 --> 02:08:38,334 Gold Digger. I mean you know, II. I’m like hey, I’m a white 4630 02:08:38,334 --> 02:08:39,434 II. I’m like hey, I’m a white person. I’m not happy with 4631 02:08:39,434 --> 02:08:40,867 person. I’m not happy with saying that word singing along 4632 02:08:40,867 --> 02:08:43,399 saying that word singing along as a lyric, um the the word 4633 02:08:43,399 --> 02:08:45,067 as a lyric, um the the word that rhymes with a gold digger. 4634 02:08:45,067 --> 02:08:46,834 that rhymes with a gold digger. Um you know, I think I’m pretty 4635 02:08:46,834 --> 02:08:47,767 Um you know, I think I’m pretty sure I’ve done it when I’m just 4636 02:08:47,767 --> 02:08:48,933 sure I’ve done it when I’m just singing along to the to the 4637 02:08:48,933 --> 02:08:49,767 singing along to the to the original track, but we know on 4638 02:08:49,767 --> 02:08:51,500 original track, but we know on the radio, they play it. The 4639 02:08:51,500 --> 02:08:52,234 the radio, they play it. The word is muted. You just can’t 4640 02:08:52,234 --> 02:08:53,200 word is muted. You just can’t hear it. You don’t even know 4641 02:08:53,200 --> 02:08:54,567 hear it. You don’t even know the know the word exist haven’t 4642 02:08:54,567 --> 02:08:56,767 the know the word exist haven’t heard the unedited version. um 4643 02:08:56,767 --> 02:08:57,434 heard the unedited version. um there’s a difference isn’t 4644 02:08:57,434 --> 02:08:58,533 there’s a difference isn’t there between sort of saying 4645 02:08:58,533 --> 02:08:59,967 there between sort of saying look children like to be 4646 02:08:59,967 --> 02:09:01,034 look children like to be listening? There’s a family 4647 02:09:01,034 --> 02:09:03,567 listening? There’s a family radio show or TV show um are we 4648 02:09:03,567 --> 02:09:05,133 radio show or TV show um are we just don’t We just don’t oppose 4649 02:09:05,133 --> 02:09:06,233 just don’t We just don’t oppose those words on people out of 4650 02:09:06,233 --> 02:09:07,900 those words on people out of the blue, but they do seem to 4651 02:09:07,900 --> 02:09:09,199 the blue, but they do seem to be different rules for 4652 02:09:09,199 --> 02:09:09,967 be different rules for different artists. Don’t they I 4653 02:09:09,967 --> 02:09:11,800 different artists. Don’t they I mean a lot of the rap song. Put 4654 02:09:11,800 --> 02:09:14,200 mean a lot of the rap song. Put the moment and those are by 4655 02:09:14,200 --> 02:09:15,667 the moment and those are by black artists, particularly 4656 02:09:15,667 --> 02:09:16,999 black artists, particularly black artist that doesn’t seem 4657 02:09:16,999 --> 02:09:18,399 black artist that doesn’t seem to be an issue with I mean most 4658 02:09:18,399 --> 02:09:19,634 to be an issue with I mean most of the songs by Rihanna and 4659 02:09:19,634 --> 02:09:21,299 of the songs by Rihanna and Cardi B, The lyrics are 4660 02:09:21,299 --> 02:09:22,767 Cardi B, The lyrics are absolutely disgusting and 4661 02:09:22,767 --> 02:09:23,967 absolutely disgusting and upset. now I can choose to 4662 02:09:23,967 --> 02:09:25,666 upset. now I can choose to listen. choose not to listen to 4663 02:09:25,666 --> 02:09:27,667 listen. choose not to listen to buy to not buy but that doesn’t 4664 02:09:27,667 --> 02:09:28,999 buy to not buy but that doesn’t seem to be the same issue with 4665 02:09:28,999 --> 02:09:31,800 seem to be the same issue with that. No. No. I mean it seems 4666 02:09:31,800 --> 02:09:33,299 that. No. No. I mean it seems inconsistent but the most 4667 02:09:33,299 --> 02:09:35,600 inconsistent but the most important thing is our week in 4668 02:09:35,600 --> 02:09:38,334 important thing is our week in a situation where a radio 4669 02:09:38,334 --> 02:09:39,766 a situation where a radio station is going to make 4670 02:09:39,766 --> 02:09:41,133 station is going to make artistic decisions on behalf of 4671 02:09:41,133 --> 02:09:42,099 artistic decisions on behalf of the artist. Now, there’s a 4672 02:09:42,099 --> 02:09:44,467 the artist. Now, there’s a complication here. Which is the 4673 02:09:44,467 --> 02:09:45,966 complication here. Which is the poke say, Oh, we don’t care 4674 02:09:45,966 --> 02:09:47,267 poke say, Oh, we don’t care that they’ve removed the word. 4675 02:09:47,267 --> 02:09:49,133 that they’ve removed the word. I mean you know so I don’t want 4676 02:09:49,133 --> 02:09:51,299 I mean you know so I don’t want to pretend that the artist are 4677 02:09:51,299 --> 02:09:52,900 to pretend that the artist are all upset. I object to the fact 4678 02:09:52,900 --> 02:09:54,999 all upset. I object to the fact that a radio station did this 4679 02:09:54,999 --> 02:09:56,467 that a radio station did this on our behalf as it were in 4680 02:09:56,467 --> 02:09:57,933 on our behalf as it were in case somebody is offended, but 4681 02:09:57,933 --> 02:09:59,267 case somebody is offended, but I also think there’s a context 4682 02:09:59,267 --> 02:10:00,833 I also think there’s a context here. I’ve been listening to 4683 02:10:00,833 --> 02:10:02,901 here. I’ve been listening to you talking about some of the 4684 02:10:02,901 --> 02:10:04,834 you talking about some of the controversies around and around 4685 02:10:04,834 --> 02:10:06,767 controversies around and around evidence and data and I just 4686 02:10:06,767 --> 02:10:07,733 evidence and data and I just saw that a film that we’re 4687 02:10:07,733 --> 02:10:09,933 saw that a film that we’re doing very well. It was a film 4688 02:10:09,933 --> 02:10:11,599 doing very well. It was a film made by unlocked yesterday, 4689 02:10:11,599 --> 02:10:15,366 made by unlocked yesterday, Interviewing a. Uh has been by 4690 02:10:15,366 --> 02:10:16,933 Interviewing a. Uh has been by look yeah might be this is 4691 02:10:16,933 --> 02:10:18,000 look yeah might be this is terrified Mike Eden We’ve had 4692 02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:19,300 terrified Mike Eden We’ve had on the show a number of times 4693 02:10:19,300 --> 02:10:20,500 on the show a number of times he’s a former vice president on 4694 02:10:20,500 --> 02:10:23,334 he’s a former vice president on many times. Yeah uh um uh he’s 4695 02:10:23,334 --> 02:10:25,734 many times. Yeah uh um uh he’s he used to be a VP adviser. 4696 02:10:25,734 --> 02:10:26,133 he used to be a VP adviser. Incredibly, you know, 4697 02:10:26,133 --> 02:10:27,299 Incredibly, you know, absolutely knows his stuff. 4698 02:10:27,299 --> 02:10:28,634 absolutely knows his stuff. He’s not random block off the 4699 02:10:28,634 --> 02:10:29,934 He’s not random block off the street with the right. Yeah uh 4700 02:10:29,934 --> 02:10:31,533 street with the right. Yeah uh and and yeah and he’s he’s 4701 02:10:31,533 --> 02:10:32,967 and and yeah and he’s he’s again. he’s producing new 4702 02:10:32,967 --> 02:10:35,334 again. he’s producing new evidence based you know 4703 02:10:35,334 --> 02:10:36,600 evidence based you know arguments about what why he 4704 02:10:36,600 --> 02:10:38,334 arguments about what why he believes that the epidemic is 4705 02:10:38,334 --> 02:10:40,033 believes that the epidemic is over and you know testing is 4706 02:10:40,033 --> 02:10:40,900 over and you know testing is the problem rather than uh you 4707 02:10:40,900 --> 02:10:43,900 the problem rather than uh you know, we’re not seeing it. But 4708 02:10:43,900 --> 02:10:46,333 know, we’re not seeing it. But the fact that stuff gets taken 4709 02:10:46,333 --> 02:10:48,766 the fact that stuff gets taken off YouTube as opposed to 4710 02:10:48,766 --> 02:10:49,966 off YouTube as opposed to disgusting about it, I saw lots 4711 02:10:49,966 --> 02:10:52,000 disgusting about it, I saw lots of people watching it yesterday 4712 02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:53,034 of people watching it yesterday and discussing it discussing 4713 02:10:53,034 --> 02:10:54,667 and discussing it discussing for and against you know, pros 4714 02:10:54,667 --> 02:10:56,967 for and against you know, pros and cons uh some people have 4715 02:10:56,967 --> 02:10:57,933 and cons uh some people have really enjoyed the video find 4716 02:10:57,933 --> 02:10:59,634 really enjoyed the video find it informative. It was a move 4717 02:10:59,634 --> 02:11:02,000 it informative. It was a move today uh also yesterday the Law 4718 02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:03,567 today uh also yesterday the Law Commission came out with the 4719 02:11:03,567 --> 02:11:06,299 Commission came out with the report of potential um changes 4720 02:11:06,299 --> 02:11:07,933 report of potential um changes I want to make to the lower 4721 02:11:07,933 --> 02:11:10,399 I want to make to the lower hate crime, which included by 4722 02:11:10,399 --> 02:11:12,099 hate crime, which included by the way the idea that they 4723 02:11:12,099 --> 02:11:13,634 the way the idea that they should be the the removal of 4724 02:11:13,634 --> 02:11:15,933 should be the the removal of the. For home properties in 4725 02:11:15,933 --> 02:11:18,434 the. For home properties in terms of whether you say so the 4726 02:11:18,434 --> 02:11:19,900 terms of whether you say so the point about this fairy tale in 4727 02:11:19,900 --> 02:11:22,300 point about this fairy tale in New York is not just a one off 4728 02:11:22,300 --> 02:11:24,000 New York is not just a one off the context for this decision 4729 02:11:24,000 --> 02:11:26,000 the context for this decision being taken, which is you can’t 4730 02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:28,800 being taken, which is you can’t hear that it’s offensive. We I 4731 02:11:28,800 --> 02:11:30,466 hear that it’s offensive. We I feel is that we’re in a more 4732 02:11:30,466 --> 02:11:32,099 feel is that we’re in a more climate and I think that’s why 4733 02:11:32,099 --> 02:11:33,767 climate and I think that’s why people just feel that being 4734 02:11:33,767 --> 02:11:35,800 people just feel that being patronize to treated like 4735 02:11:35,800 --> 02:11:38,399 patronize to treated like children and if you start 4736 02:11:38,399 --> 02:11:39,434 children and if you start saying that things can be 4737 02:11:39,434 --> 02:11:40,967 saying that things can be banned if they’re offensive, we 4738 02:11:40,967 --> 02:11:42,000 banned if they’re offensive, we know where that leads and 4739 02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:43,900 know where that leads and there’s a report by the way 4740 02:11:43,900 --> 02:11:45,100 there’s a report by the way made it clear that they thought 4741 02:11:45,100 --> 02:11:47,834 made it clear that they thought offensive cartoons and they’ve 4742 02:11:47,834 --> 02:11:51,233 offensive cartoons and they’ve decided. Infamous uh offensive 4743 02:11:51,233 --> 02:11:52,634 decided. Infamous uh offensive cartoons should be banned now 4744 02:11:52,634 --> 02:11:54,399 cartoons should be banned now we’ve just seen somebody in 4745 02:11:54,399 --> 02:11:56,800 we’ve just seen somebody in fans be headed uh for teaching 4746 02:11:56,800 --> 02:11:58,500 fans be headed uh for teaching a free speech class and about 4747 02:11:58,500 --> 02:12:00,567 a free speech class and about those apprentice cartoons. I 4748 02:12:00,567 --> 02:12:01,967 those apprentice cartoons. I would have thought that we 4749 02:12:01,967 --> 02:12:03,299 would have thought that we should see that this you know 4750 02:12:03,299 --> 02:12:05,133 should see that this you know Fairy tale, New York seems like 4751 02:12:05,133 --> 02:12:06,567 Fairy tale, New York seems like there are the annual arguments 4752 02:12:06,567 --> 02:12:08,334 there are the annual arguments at Christmas about whether we 4753 02:12:08,334 --> 02:12:08,967 at Christmas about whether we should have this word. let’s 4754 02:12:08,967 --> 02:12:10,533 should have this word. let’s remember the context here, 4755 02:12:10,533 --> 02:12:12,667 remember the context here, which is this is about whether 4756 02:12:12,667 --> 02:12:13,834 which is this is about whether we live in a free society and 4757 02:12:13,834 --> 02:12:15,567 we live in a free society and whether free speech exist that 4758 02:12:15,567 --> 02:12:16,767 whether free speech exist that it’s more important than just 4759 02:12:16,767 --> 02:12:17,967 it’s more important than just some silly little trivia and 4760 02:12:17,967 --> 02:12:19,599 some silly little trivia and that. And that’s the thing, and 4761 02:12:19,599 --> 02:12:20,700 that. And that’s the thing, and it’s about people deciding on 4762 02:12:20,700 --> 02:12:22,533 it’s about people deciding on our behalf you you’re back to 4763 02:12:22,533 --> 02:12:23,234 our behalf you you’re back to last. You know last night, the 4764 02:12:23,234 --> 02:12:24,299 last. You know last night, the problems and Brit and said, Oh, 4765 02:12:24,299 --> 02:12:26,267 problems and Brit and said, Oh, I don’t like these lyrics or 4766 02:12:26,267 --> 02:12:26,967 I don’t like these lyrics or someone doesn’t like these 4767 02:12:26,967 --> 02:12:29,334 someone doesn’t like these lyrics and therefore they’re 4768 02:12:29,334 --> 02:12:30,533 lyrics and therefore they’re unacceptable um and again even 4769 02:12:30,533 --> 02:12:31,900 unacceptable um and again even if it’s even if it’s it’s the 4770 02:12:31,900 --> 02:12:33,399 if it’s even if it’s it’s the majority of people like it 4771 02:12:33,399 --> 02:12:34,767 majority of people like it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be 4772 02:12:34,767 --> 02:12:36,300 doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be allowed and that’s that’s the 4773 02:12:36,300 --> 02:12:38,334 allowed and that’s that’s the key there seems to be so much 4774 02:12:38,334 --> 02:12:40,434 key there seems to be so much of an appetite now for people 4775 02:12:40,434 --> 02:12:42,567 of an appetite now for people to want there to be censorship 4776 02:12:42,567 --> 02:12:44,334 to want there to be censorship and control and that people 4777 02:12:44,334 --> 02:12:46,500 and control and that people expect never to be offended. I 4778 02:12:46,500 --> 02:12:48,000 expect never to be offended. I it doesn’t bother me if someone 4779 02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:50,000 it doesn’t bother me if someone says, or does something that I 4780 02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:51,067 says, or does something that I don’t like unless it 4781 02:12:51,067 --> 02:12:53,800 don’t like unless it personally. Hurts me or 4782 02:12:53,800 --> 02:12:56,299 personally. Hurts me or physically, or is inciting 4783 02:12:56,299 --> 02:12:58,733 physically, or is inciting violence or it’s abuse. It’s 4784 02:12:58,733 --> 02:13:00,066 violence or it’s abuse. It’s it’s it is currently legal in 4785 02:13:00,066 --> 02:13:02,266 it’s it is currently legal in the law and it should remain 4786 02:13:02,266 --> 02:13:04,399 the law and it should remain legal and it’s important for 4787 02:13:04,399 --> 02:13:07,167 legal and it’s important for us. I mean artistic freedom is 4788 02:13:07,167 --> 02:13:08,334 us. I mean artistic freedom is an incredibly important thing 4789 02:13:08,334 --> 02:13:09,900 an incredibly important thing for us to defend. so you know 4790 02:13:09,900 --> 02:13:11,133 for us to defend. so you know whether you like the song or 4791 02:13:11,133 --> 02:13:12,466 whether you like the song or not yeah point about it is is 4792 02:13:12,466 --> 02:13:13,800 not yeah point about it is is that somebody created that as 4793 02:13:13,800 --> 02:13:17,400 that somebody created that as an artistic work and you know 4794 02:13:17,400 --> 02:13:18,933 an artistic work and you know think about what it means if 4795 02:13:18,933 --> 02:13:20,200 think about what it means if you’ve decided we’ve got bodies 4796 02:13:20,200 --> 02:13:22,000 you’ve decided we’ve got bodies of institutions, gay man saying 4797 02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:23,800 of institutions, gay man saying no that’s offensive, take it 4798 02:13:23,800 --> 02:13:24,634 no that’s offensive, take it off the walls. You know, cover 4799 02:13:24,634 --> 02:13:27,933 off the walls. You know, cover it up now. We are getting that 4800 02:13:27,933 --> 02:13:29,967 it up now. We are getting that and the whole whole notion I 4801 02:13:29,967 --> 02:13:31,399 and the whole whole notion I find that offensive and one of 4802 02:13:31,399 --> 02:13:32,800 find that offensive and one of the reasons I wrote the book 4803 02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:34,333 the reasons I wrote the book was because they’re 4804 02:13:34,333 --> 02:13:35,267 was because they’re increasingly all you have to do 4805 02:13:35,267 --> 02:13:37,034 increasingly all you have to do is to say I find that offensive 4806 02:13:37,034 --> 02:13:38,267 is to say I find that offensive and you can get something 4807 02:13:38,267 --> 02:13:40,800 and you can get something banned silence someone shut 4808 02:13:40,800 --> 02:13:42,567 banned silence someone shut someone down and that is not a 4809 02:13:42,567 --> 02:13:44,767 someone down and that is not a healthy society for a democracy 4810 02:13:44,767 --> 02:13:46,267 healthy society for a democracy because you need to have 4811 02:13:46,267 --> 02:13:47,967 because you need to have autistic freedom, you know, 4812 02:13:47,967 --> 02:13:49,267 autistic freedom, you know, academic freedom and free 4813 02:13:49,267 --> 02:13:51,300 academic freedom and free speech. so I just get worried 4814 02:13:51,300 --> 02:13:52,367 speech. so I just get worried that this can happen and people 4815 02:13:52,367 --> 02:13:53,500 that this can happen and people say well, of course we’re in 4816 02:13:53,500 --> 02:13:55,000 say well, of course we’re in the modern area. we can’t 4817 02:13:55,000 --> 02:13:56,567 the modern area. we can’t possibly have that praising 4818 02:13:56,567 --> 02:13:58,634 possibly have that praising you. We will make that decision 4819 02:13:58,634 --> 02:14:00,767 you. We will make that decision because we think it could cause 4820 02:14:00,767 --> 02:14:02,467 because we think it could cause damage and the point you also 4821 02:14:02,467 --> 02:14:05,500 damage and the point you also just made was hearing that word 4822 02:14:05,500 --> 02:14:06,799 just made was hearing that word might might offend but it 4823 02:14:06,799 --> 02:14:08,234 might might offend but it doesn’t mean that’s the end of 4824 02:14:08,234 --> 02:14:10,900 doesn’t mean that’s the end of the world. I offended day that 4825 02:14:10,900 --> 02:14:13,034 the world. I offended day that people say things that really 4826 02:14:13,034 --> 02:14:14,800 people say things that really drive me mad but you can’t be a 4827 02:14:14,800 --> 02:14:16,166 drive me mad but you can’t be a situation whereby you say that 4828 02:14:16,166 --> 02:14:17,334 situation whereby you say that it’s something’s offensive, It 4829 02:14:17,334 --> 02:14:18,900 it’s something’s offensive, It should be banned. That’s the 4830 02:14:18,900 --> 02:14:20,133 should be banned. That’s the important thing about it. Yeah, 4831 02:14:20,133 --> 02:14:21,634 important thing about it. Yeah, but it’s not gonna do you have 4832 02:14:21,634 --> 02:14:23,967 but it’s not gonna do you have no right not to be offended. I 4833 02:14:23,967 --> 02:14:24,700 no right not to be offended. I know I mean, let’s face it. 4834 02:14:24,700 --> 02:14:26,099 know I mean, let’s face it. Yeah. I mean people find you 4835 02:14:26,099 --> 02:14:28,634 Yeah. I mean people find you offended. Oh, yes exactly so if 4836 02:14:28,634 --> 02:14:30,299 offended. Oh, yes exactly so if you’re including members of my 4837 02:14:30,299 --> 02:14:32,334 you’re including members of my own immediate family um so 4838 02:14:32,334 --> 02:14:33,933 own immediate family um so don’t let them ban things on 4839 02:14:33,933 --> 02:14:35,767 don’t let them ban things on the basis that they’re 4840 02:14:35,767 --> 02:14:36,299 the basis that they’re absolutely well. We’ll never 4841 02:14:36,299 --> 02:14:38,334 absolutely well. We’ll never ban you prevent bar Claire Fox, 4842 02:14:38,334 --> 02:14:39,100 ban you prevent bar Claire Fox, director of the Academy of 4843 02:14:39,100 --> 02:14:40,500 director of the Academy of Ideas. Also this is is 4844 02:14:40,500 --> 02:14:42,367 Ideas. Also this is is brilliant book. I that 4845 02:14:42,367 --> 02:14:43,767 brilliant book. I that offensive explaining why we’ve 4846 02:14:43,767 --> 02:14:44,467 offensive explaining why we’ve got this whole sort of 4847 02:14:44,467 --> 02:14:45,799 got this whole sort of snowflake generation. Are you 4848 02:14:45,799 --> 02:14:46,999 snowflake generation. Are you eating your? I tell you what it 4849 02:14:46,999 --> 02:14:48,700 eating your? I tell you what it all comes back to telling your 4850 02:14:48,700 --> 02:14:50,267 all comes back to telling your children. No trust me. it all 4851 02:14:50,267 --> 02:14:51,900 children. No trust me. it all comes back to that at 847 is a 4852 02:14:51,900 --> 02:14:52,533 comes back to that at 847 is a dumb up next. We’re gonna talk 4853 02:14:52,533 --> 02:14:54,299 dumb up next. 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He’s the radio renegade who’s always on 4970 02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:50,799 radio renegade who’s always on his final warning. See that see 4971 02:18:50,799 --> 02:18:51,899 his final warning. See that see this is what I’m up against all 4972 02:18:51,899 --> 02:18:53,899 this is what I’m up against all my life. He’s too hot to handle 4973 02:18:53,899 --> 02:18:54,534 my life. He’s too hot to handle presenter. That’s sure to 4974 02:18:54,534 --> 02:18:56,000 presenter. That’s sure to ruffle feathers and rub 4975 02:18:56,000 --> 02:18:58,333 ruffle feathers and rub everyone. The wrong way all I 4976 02:18:58,333 --> 02:19:00,400 everyone. The wrong way all I get is a people telling me that 4977 02:19:00,400 --> 02:19:04,434 get is a people telling me that I’m I’m not a PMP Perry on talk 4978 02:19:04,434 --> 02:19:05,966 I’m I’m not a PMP Perry on talk radio. It’s fantastic. It’s a 4979 02:19:05,966 --> 02:19:06,699 radio. It’s fantastic. It’s a phenomenon which almost 4980 02:19:06,699 --> 02:19:09,034 phenomenon which almost everybody can embrace Mikey 4981 02:19:09,034 --> 02:19:12,300 everybody can embrace Mikey Perry, a radio regular in the 4982 02:19:12,300 --> 02:19:13,799 Perry, a radio regular in the last chance Saloon the after on 4983 02:19:13,799 --> 02:19:16,434 last chance Saloon the after on a ??? well, make this work 4984 02:19:16,434 --> 02:19:18,400 a ??? well, make this work tomorrow afternoon from five on 4985 02:19:18,400 --> 02:19:20,300 tomorrow afternoon from five on talk radio. We’re not over 4986 02:19:20,300 --> 02:19:22,000 talk radio. We’re not over hype. We’re being very 4987 02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:24,266 hype. We’re being very realistic Radio Julia Hartley 4988 02:19:24,266 --> 02:19:27,800 realistic Radio Julia Hartley brewer at breakfast. On the 4989 02:19:27,800 --> 02:19:28,966 brewer at breakfast. On the radio good morning to you, this 4990 02:19:28,966 --> 02:19:30,533 radio good morning to you, this is breakfast to meet you. Thank 4991 02:19:30,533 --> 02:19:32,000 is breakfast to meet you. Thank you very much for your company. 4992 02:19:32,000 --> 02:19:33,100 you very much for your company. John. I’m sorry not a job 4993 02:19:33,100 --> 02:19:34,634 John. I’m sorry not a job rental is joining me so a chief 4994 02:19:34,634 --> 02:19:35,767 rental is joining me so a chief political commentator at the 4995 02:19:35,767 --> 02:19:36,899 political commentator at the Independent also, Steve Allen 4996 02:19:36,899 --> 02:19:38,467 Independent also, Steve Allen comedian and former chemist 4997 02:19:38,467 --> 02:19:39,766 comedian and former chemist with me. I’ll get his thoughts 4998 02:19:39,766 --> 02:19:41,967 with me. I’ll get his thoughts on uh the story in just a few 4999 02:19:41,967 --> 02:19:43,300 on uh the story in just a few moments but pretty Patel from 5000 02:19:43,300 --> 02:19:44,133 moments but pretty Patel from Page a lot of the papers John 5001 02:19:44,133 --> 02:19:46,333 Page a lot of the papers John uh guilty of bullying staff, 5002 02:19:46,333 --> 02:19:47,734 uh guilty of bullying staff, according to Elite report may 5003 02:19:47,734 --> 02:19:48,800 according to Elite report may get it published as early as 5004 02:19:48,800 --> 02:19:50,533 get it published as early as today. uh Boris Johnson is set 5005 02:19:50,533 --> 02:19:51,966 today. uh Boris Johnson is set to defend his home secretary. 5006 02:19:51,966 --> 02:19:53,667 to defend his home secretary. She’s face claims even as high 5007 02:19:53,667 --> 02:19:56,066 She’s face claims even as high up as her own a permanent. To 5008 02:19:56,066 --> 02:19:57,333 up as her own a permanent. To fit it right on this followed 5009 02:19:57,333 --> 02:19:58,267 fit it right on this followed around, it’s not just a home 5010 02:19:58,267 --> 02:20:00,000 around, it’s not just a home office uh other department 5011 02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:02,399 office uh other department she’s worked at um by all 5012 02:20:02,399 --> 02:20:03,533 she’s worked at um by all accounts pretty difficult to 5013 02:20:03,533 --> 02:20:04,767 accounts pretty difficult to work with but um we’re told 5014 02:20:04,767 --> 02:20:06,334 work with but um we’re told she’s breed the ministerial 5015 02:20:06,334 --> 02:20:07,967 she’s breed the ministerial code. How would it be possible 5016 02:20:07,967 --> 02:20:09,500 code. How would it be possible if that is the case for her to 5017 02:20:09,500 --> 02:20:11,867 if that is the case for her to keep her job well because the 5018 02:20:11,867 --> 02:20:14,333 keep her job well because the arbiter of the ministerial code 5019 02:20:14,333 --> 02:20:15,667 arbiter of the ministerial code is the prime minister. Uh it’s 5020 02:20:15,667 --> 02:20:17,333 is the prime minister. Uh it’s like the it’s like the Pirate 5021 02:20:17,333 --> 02:20:20,133 like the it’s like the Pirate code the Pirates of the 5022 02:20:20,133 --> 02:20:22,367 code the Pirates of the Caribbean, where it explains to 5023 02:20:22,367 --> 02:20:24,567 Caribbean, where it explains to a puzzle looking that the code 5024 02:20:24,567 --> 02:20:26,834 a puzzle looking that the code is. By way of guidelines right 5025 02:20:26,834 --> 02:20:29,034 is. By way of guidelines right well, it would appear that 5026 02:20:29,034 --> 02:20:30,399 well, it would appear that well. The key thing is is this 5027 02:20:30,399 --> 02:20:31,199 well. The key thing is is this the evaluate investigation 5028 02:20:31,199 --> 02:20:33,334 the evaluate investigation being carried out by the 5029 02:20:33,334 --> 02:20:34,833 being carried out by the Cabinet Office, The Alex Allen 5030 02:20:34,833 --> 02:20:36,767 Cabinet Office, The Alex Allen adviser a ministerial standards 5031 02:20:36,767 --> 02:20:37,667 adviser a ministerial standards found that the pretty Patel had 5032 02:20:37,667 --> 02:20:38,967 found that the pretty Patel had not always met the high 5033 02:20:38,967 --> 02:20:40,933 not always met the high standards required of 5034 02:20:40,933 --> 02:20:42,533 standards required of ministers. He did say that uh 5035 02:20:42,533 --> 02:20:44,867 ministers. He did say that uh her actions may have been 5036 02:20:44,867 --> 02:20:46,333 her actions may have been unintentional and there was 5037 02:20:46,333 --> 02:20:47,034 unintentional and there was criticism of senior civil 5038 02:20:47,034 --> 02:20:49,067 criticism of senior civil service, not raising to her, 5039 02:20:49,067 --> 02:20:50,800 service, not raising to her, but also some of the behavior 5040 02:20:50,800 --> 02:20:52,799 but also some of the behavior of the of staff towards her as 5041 02:20:52,799 --> 02:20:56,999 of the of staff towards her as well. basically not doing what. 5042 02:21:24,301 --> 02:21:25,900 Amount of hatred in many in 5043 02:21:25,900 --> 02:21:28,366 Amount of hatred in many in many areas uh for her have used 5044 02:21:28,366 --> 02:21:29,467 many areas uh for her have used and just who she is do you 5045 02:21:29,467 --> 02:21:31,900 and just who she is do you think she’s being targeted and 5046 02:21:31,900 --> 02:21:33,733 think she’s being targeted and no, I don’t to be honest. I 5047 02:21:33,733 --> 02:21:36,300 no, I don’t to be honest. I think she clearly is quite a 5048 02:21:36,300 --> 02:21:37,834 think she clearly is quite a forceful character on it and we 5049 02:21:37,834 --> 02:21:39,933 forceful character on it and we don’t know what’s in the uh 5050 02:21:39,933 --> 02:21:41,634 don’t know what’s in the uh what’s in this report yet I 5051 02:21:41,634 --> 02:21:42,800 what’s in this report yet I mean we’ve seen some 5052 02:21:42,800 --> 02:21:44,234 mean we’ve seen some quotations. uh I mean the idea 5053 02:21:44,234 --> 02:21:45,467 quotations. uh I mean the idea of unintentional bullying 5054 02:21:45,467 --> 02:21:47,967 of unintentional bullying people have uh made fun of uh 5055 02:21:47,967 --> 02:21:49,966 people have uh made fun of uh on social media. Of course, Oh, 5056 02:21:49,966 --> 02:21:52,000 on social media. Of course, Oh, I bullied this civil servant by 5057 02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:53,034 I bullied this civil servant by mistake but actually if you 5058 02:21:53,034 --> 02:21:54,834 mistake but actually if you think about real life, I mean. 5059 02:21:54,834 --> 02:21:56,301 think about real life, I mean. Are people who are terrible 5060 02:21:56,301 --> 02:21:58,800 Are people who are terrible bullies who don’t realize 5061 02:21:58,800 --> 02:22:02,267 bullies who don’t realize they’re doing it um and so who 5062 02:22:02,267 --> 02:22:02,967 they’re doing it um and so who knows we’ll have to wait and 5063 02:22:02,967 --> 02:22:04,066 knows we’ll have to wait and see well. This is This is it 5064 02:22:04,066 --> 02:22:04,799 see well. This is This is it well, one of examples that she 5065 02:22:04,799 --> 02:22:06,267 well, one of examples that she was accused of belittling 5066 02:22:06,267 --> 02:22:07,067 was accused of belittling officials in meetings, but 5067 02:22:07,067 --> 02:22:08,467 officials in meetings, but again if you got people who are 5068 02:22:08,467 --> 02:22:11,034 again if you got people who are paid by the public’s uh pay to 5069 02:22:11,034 --> 02:22:12,599 paid by the public’s uh pay to do a job and they’re repeatedly 5070 02:22:12,599 --> 02:22:14,267 do a job and they’re repeatedly not doing it as we’ve 5071 02:22:14,267 --> 02:22:14,967 not doing it as we’ve discovered homes. I mean that 5072 02:22:14,967 --> 02:22:16,267 discovered homes. I mean that that has been the problem in 5073 02:22:16,267 --> 02:22:17,500 that has been the problem in their office, not the first 5074 02:22:17,500 --> 02:22:18,967 their office, not the first time the home office has turned 5075 02:22:18,967 --> 02:22:20,634 time the home office has turned that come up short, No exactly 5076 02:22:20,634 --> 02:22:22,466 that come up short, No exactly um and um and she’s sort of 5077 02:22:22,466 --> 02:22:23,133 um and um and she’s sort of basically saying you know 5078 02:22:23,133 --> 02:22:24,500 basically saying you know you’re rubbish. On your job now 5079 02:22:24,500 --> 02:22:26,000 you’re rubbish. On your job now is that bullying or or she 5080 02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:27,767 is that bullying or or she calling them out being 5081 02:22:27,767 --> 02:22:28,567 calling them out being inadequate and hopeless. We 5082 02:22:28,567 --> 02:22:29,466 inadequate and hopeless. We know that you know, we know 5083 02:22:29,466 --> 02:22:30,066 know that you know, we know that we know that senior home 5084 02:22:30,066 --> 02:22:32,301 that we know that senior home office officials lied to Amber 5085 02:22:32,301 --> 02:22:33,799 office officials lied to Amber Rudd. they gave her when she 5086 02:22:33,799 --> 02:22:35,167 Rudd. they gave her when she was home. she was forced to 5087 02:22:35,167 --> 02:22:37,434 was home. she was forced to resign often uh basically 5088 02:22:37,434 --> 02:22:37,967 resign often uh basically misleading Parliament with 5089 02:22:37,967 --> 02:22:39,800 misleading Parliament with figures her own officials go. 5090 02:22:39,800 --> 02:22:40,667 figures her own officials go. We have a difficult situation 5091 02:22:40,667 --> 02:22:41,934 We have a difficult situation where ministers responsible for 5092 02:22:41,934 --> 02:22:42,967 where ministers responsible for what happens to the department, 5093 02:22:42,967 --> 02:22:44,334 what happens to the department, but it would appear the 5094 02:22:44,334 --> 02:22:45,667 but it would appear the department’s aren’t respond to 5095 02:22:45,667 --> 02:22:47,800 department’s aren’t respond to have a irresponsibility towards 5096 02:22:47,800 --> 02:22:49,399 have a irresponsibility towards their cabinet minister. Yeah, 5097 02:22:49,399 --> 02:22:51,967 their cabinet minister. Yeah, no uh, but I think we need to 5098 02:22:51,967 --> 02:22:53,333 no uh, but I think we need to go beyond this to the question 5099 02:22:53,333 --> 02:22:54,999 go beyond this to the question of how do you deal? With that 5100 02:22:54,999 --> 02:22:56,200 of how do you deal? With that situation and obviously, I 5101 02:22:56,200 --> 02:22:57,767 situation and obviously, I think the best way of dealing 5102 02:22:57,767 --> 02:22:58,700 think the best way of dealing with it is not shouting at 5103 02:22:58,700 --> 02:23:00,267 with it is not shouting at people or belittling them or 5104 02:23:00,267 --> 02:23:02,834 people or belittling them or calling them names. Uh I think 5105 02:23:02,834 --> 02:23:04,434 calling them names. Uh I think you know real test of a 5106 02:23:04,434 --> 02:23:06,267 you know real test of a skillful politician is someone 5107 02:23:06,267 --> 02:23:07,933 skillful politician is someone who is able to get the best out 5108 02:23:07,933 --> 02:23:09,500 who is able to get the best out of uh secondary people or just 5109 02:23:09,500 --> 02:23:10,834 of uh secondary people or just or just to move them aside 5110 02:23:10,834 --> 02:23:13,300 or just to move them aside without uh without I mean 5111 02:23:13,300 --> 02:23:14,967 without uh without I mean that’s that’s the secret of 5112 02:23:14,967 --> 02:23:16,599 that’s that’s the secret of good politics. Yeah, I mean, of 5113 02:23:16,599 --> 02:23:18,267 good politics. Yeah, I mean, of course, it’s very difficult. 5114 02:23:18,267 --> 02:23:19,933 course, it’s very difficult. isn’t it for me cuz they don’t 5115 02:23:19,933 --> 02:23:21,267 isn’t it for me cuz they don’t directly control which civil 5116 02:23:21,267 --> 02:23:22,567 directly control which civil servants work in their 5117 02:23:22,567 --> 02:23:23,967 servants work in their departments. Do they not 5118 02:23:23,967 --> 02:23:24,967 departments. Do they not directly? They’re doing 5119 02:23:24,967 --> 02:23:26,333 directly? They’re doing indirectly, I mean it’s a gray 5120 02:23:26,333 --> 02:23:28,733 indirectly, I mean it’s a gray area but and and a skillful 5121 02:23:28,733 --> 02:23:31,300 area but and and a skillful politician is able to just uh 5122 02:23:31,300 --> 02:23:33,767 politician is able to just uh negotiate with uh with the 5123 02:23:33,767 --> 02:23:35,634 negotiate with uh with the civil service and uh manipulate 5124 02:23:35,634 --> 02:23:37,067 civil service and uh manipulate the conventions about this. 5125 02:23:37,067 --> 02:23:40,400 the conventions about this. Yeah and move unhelpful. people 5126 02:23:40,400 --> 02:23:42,466 Yeah and move unhelpful. people aside, I have. I have no doubt 5127 02:23:42,466 --> 02:23:44,267 aside, I have. I have no doubt that she is pretty difficult to 5128 02:23:44,267 --> 02:23:44,900 that she is pretty difficult to work for, but I imagine if 5129 02:23:44,900 --> 02:23:46,000 work for, but I imagine if you’re taking over the home 5130 02:23:46,000 --> 02:23:47,500 you’re taking over the home office, which is a basket case 5131 02:23:47,500 --> 02:23:50,334 office, which is a basket case as you said, um and you’re 5132 02:23:50,334 --> 02:23:51,567 as you said, um and you’re responsible for some really 5133 02:23:51,567 --> 02:23:53,034 responsible for some really shocking shocking failures when 5134 02:23:53,034 --> 02:23:55,167 shocking shocking failures when rush scandal uh many others. A 5135 02:23:55,167 --> 02:23:56,467 rush scandal uh many others. A whole whole whole of 5136 02:23:56,467 --> 02:23:59,167 whole whole whole of immigration uh is is a scandal 5137 02:23:59,167 --> 02:24:00,334 immigration uh is is a scandal uh and hopeless. We know we 5138 02:24:00,334 --> 02:24:01,834 uh and hopeless. We know we remember uh former labor home 5139 02:24:01,834 --> 02:24:03,100 remember uh former labor home secretary, pointing out that 5140 02:24:03,100 --> 02:24:04,566 secretary, pointing out that there was was not for purpose 5141 02:24:04,566 --> 02:24:05,900 there was was not for purpose and I don’t think it ever has 5142 02:24:05,900 --> 02:24:07,434 and I don’t think it ever has been um it’s a pretty difficult 5143 02:24:07,434 --> 02:24:08,800 been um it’s a pretty difficult task to have um do you think 5144 02:24:08,800 --> 02:24:09,967 task to have um do you think though that she’s gonna be 5145 02:24:09,967 --> 02:24:11,334 though that she’s gonna be saved by the fact that Boris 5146 02:24:11,334 --> 02:24:12,933 saved by the fact that Boris Johnson can’t afford to lose 5147 02:24:12,933 --> 02:24:13,867 Johnson can’t afford to lose such a senior minister, he 5148 02:24:13,867 --> 02:24:15,199 such a senior minister, he particularly can’t afford to 5149 02:24:15,199 --> 02:24:16,766 particularly can’t afford to lose a senior minister who is 5150 02:24:16,766 --> 02:24:18,967 lose a senior minister who is absolutely darling of the Tory 5151 02:24:18,967 --> 02:24:21,800 absolutely darling of the Tory uh of grassroots. I mean she is 5152 02:24:21,800 --> 02:24:23,533 uh of grassroots. I mean she is adored by them well, Yes, I 5153 02:24:23,533 --> 02:24:24,599 adored by them well, Yes, I mean Boris Johnson does not 5154 02:24:24,599 --> 02:24:25,967 mean Boris Johnson does not want to lose her. That is 5155 02:24:25,967 --> 02:24:27,666 want to lose her. That is absolutely right. I mean she is 5156 02:24:27,666 --> 02:24:29,133 absolutely right. I mean she is a very valuable uh part of his 5157 02:24:29,133 --> 02:24:31,034 a very valuable uh part of his team. She’s extremely unpopular 5158 02:24:31,034 --> 02:24:32,467 team. She’s extremely unpopular with the general public as we 5159 02:24:32,467 --> 02:24:34,933 with the general public as we said, I mean opinions are not 5160 02:24:34,933 --> 02:24:35,733 said, I mean opinions are not complementary towards her, But 5161 02:24:35,733 --> 02:24:37,299 complementary towards her, But as you say she is she’s quite 5162 02:24:37,299 --> 02:24:37,967 as you say she is she’s quite popular with the with the 5163 02:24:37,967 --> 02:24:39,434 popular with the with the conservative grassroots. I 5164 02:24:39,434 --> 02:24:41,867 conservative grassroots. I think she came in uh in a 5165 02:24:41,867 --> 02:24:45,267 think she came in uh in a recent survey of uh of party 5166 02:24:45,267 --> 02:24:47,167 recent survey of uh of party members of of people in the 5167 02:24:47,167 --> 02:24:48,500 members of of people in the cabinet. um so yes, Johnson 5168 02:24:48,500 --> 02:24:49,667 cabinet. um so yes, Johnson doesn’t want to lose her and 5169 02:24:49,667 --> 02:24:50,800 doesn’t want to lose her and he’s not and he’s not going to. 5170 02:24:50,800 --> 02:24:52,567 he’s not and he’s not going to. I suspect he’s he’s going to 5171 02:24:52,567 --> 02:24:53,967 I suspect he’s he’s going to hang on to it slightly strange 5172 02:24:53,967 --> 02:24:55,233 hang on to it slightly strange situation that we’ve seen 5173 02:24:55,233 --> 02:24:56,967 situation that we’ve seen reported that he’s going to ask 5174 02:24:56,967 --> 02:24:59,700 reported that he’s going to ask her to apologize uh but. Having 5175 02:24:59,700 --> 02:25:00,834 her to apologize uh but. Having said that he’s gonna keep her 5176 02:25:00,834 --> 02:25:01,933 said that he’s gonna keep her in the cabinet, he doesn’t have 5177 02:25:01,933 --> 02:25:02,900 in the cabinet, he doesn’t have much leverage to force her to 5178 02:25:02,900 --> 02:25:04,767 much leverage to force her to if she doesn’t want to. yeah 5179 02:25:04,767 --> 02:25:07,300 if she doesn’t want to. yeah it. maybe she maybe a proud 5180 02:25:07,300 --> 02:25:08,200 it. maybe she maybe a proud politician in in the way that 5181 02:25:08,200 --> 02:25:10,100 politician in in the way that Jeremy Corbin is and refused to 5182 02:25:10,100 --> 02:25:12,334 Jeremy Corbin is and refused to apologize indeed and um I mean 5183 02:25:12,334 --> 02:25:13,734 apologize indeed and um I mean just finally again the double 5184 02:25:13,734 --> 02:25:14,967 just finally again the double standards in terms of the labor 5185 02:25:14,967 --> 02:25:16,533 standards in terms of the labor politicians like David Lammy, 5186 02:25:16,533 --> 02:25:18,066 politicians like David Lammy, who are criticizing uh her, I 5187 02:25:18,066 --> 02:25:20,467 who are criticizing uh her, I mean it totally justified 5188 02:25:20,467 --> 02:25:21,967 mean it totally justified criticism, but an absolute full 5189 02:25:21,967 --> 02:25:23,533 criticism, but an absolute full of praise for John be be 5190 02:25:23,533 --> 02:25:24,767 of praise for John be be speaker were numerous 5191 02:25:24,767 --> 02:25:25,900 speaker were numerous allegations of bullying against 5192 02:25:25,900 --> 02:25:27,199 allegations of bullying against him very well substantiated 5193 02:25:27,199 --> 02:25:30,334 him very well substantiated from people who were. Hope is 5194 02:25:30,334 --> 02:25:31,399 from people who were. Hope is inadequate home office staff, 5195 02:25:31,399 --> 02:25:33,967 inadequate home office staff, but from people who are senior 5196 02:25:33,967 --> 02:25:35,399 but from people who are senior military, maybe they were big 5197 02:25:35,399 --> 02:25:36,767 military, maybe they were big buddies in his own office with 5198 02:25:36,767 --> 02:25:38,367 buddies in his own office with people who’ve witnessed it. 5199 02:25:38,367 --> 02:25:40,867 people who’ve witnessed it. They’re happy to defend. John 5200 02:25:40,867 --> 02:25:42,599 They’re happy to defend. John Yeah, that there is a certain 5201 02:25:42,599 --> 02:25:44,533 Yeah, that there is a certain amount of party, but it’s 5202 02:25:44,533 --> 02:25:46,133 amount of party, but it’s called hypocrisy uh about all 5203 02:25:46,133 --> 02:25:48,933 called hypocrisy uh about all these things uh people who who 5204 02:25:48,933 --> 02:25:50,467 these things uh people who who don’t like uh British Patel 5205 02:25:50,467 --> 02:25:52,533 don’t like uh British Patel don’t agree with her policies 5206 02:25:52,533 --> 02:25:53,967 don’t agree with her policies on immigration are going to use 5207 02:25:53,967 --> 02:25:56,400 on immigration are going to use this as a as a stick uh with 5208 02:25:56,400 --> 02:25:57,133 this as a as a stick uh with which to be. but I mean, I 5209 02:25:57,133 --> 02:25:58,367 which to be. but I mean, I don’t think that the prime 5210 02:25:58,367 --> 02:25:59,366 don’t think that the prime minister is going to give away 5211 02:25:59,366 --> 02:26:02,000 minister is going to give away on this. I think he’s he’s 5212 02:26:02,000 --> 02:26:02,634 on this. I think he’s he’s definitely going to want to 5213 02:26:02,634 --> 02:26:03,367 definitely going to want to keep it. There is a sort of 5214 02:26:03,367 --> 02:26:04,734 keep it. There is a sort of slight question mark over. 5215 02:26:04,734 --> 02:26:06,599 slight question mark over. Shuffle uh which is expected in 5216 02:26:06,599 --> 02:26:08,800 Shuffle uh which is expected in the new year um he may want to 5217 02:26:08,800 --> 02:26:10,299 the new year um he may want to you may want to move her but uh 5218 02:26:10,299 --> 02:26:12,367 you may want to move her but uh I think she is quite an 5219 02:26:12,367 --> 02:26:14,000 I think she is quite an important symbol for the 5220 02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:16,434 important symbol for the government of to be tough on uh 5221 02:26:16,434 --> 02:26:17,966 government of to be tough on uh uh on immigration, even though 5222 02:26:17,966 --> 02:26:19,567 uh on immigration, even though you know in in my humble 5223 02:26:19,567 --> 02:26:20,867 you know in in my humble opinion, she hasn’t been. I 5224 02:26:20,867 --> 02:26:22,000 opinion, she hasn’t been. I mean no, I mean she hasn’t 5225 02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:22,933 mean no, I mean she hasn’t achieved any of the things that 5226 02:26:22,933 --> 02:26:25,100 achieved any of the things that she said she would achieve on 5227 02:26:25,100 --> 02:26:26,133 she said she would achieve on that. we’ll have to leave it 5228 02:26:26,133 --> 02:26:27,334 that. we’ll have to leave it there. John Thank you very much 5229 02:26:27,334 --> 02:26:28,766 there. John Thank you very much final word to you. uh Steve 5230 02:26:28,766 --> 02:26:30,334 final word to you. uh Steve Allen um on this. do you think 5231 02:26:30,334 --> 02:26:31,533 Allen um on this. do you think again you know she’s being 5232 02:26:31,533 --> 02:26:32,967 again you know she’s being targeted. you think she’ll have 5233 02:26:32,967 --> 02:26:34,000 targeted. you think she’ll have to go. Do you think she’ll 5234 02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:34,733 to go. Do you think she’ll survive and how much political 5235 02:26:34,733 --> 02:26:35,799 survive and how much political capital will uh Boris Johnson 5236 02:26:35,799 --> 02:26:38,667 capital will uh Boris Johnson have to expand. I think he 5237 02:26:38,667 --> 02:26:40,000 have to expand. I think he loses more capital if she goes 5238 02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:41,299 loses more capital if she goes so I think uh I don’t think it 5239 02:26:41,299 --> 02:26:42,899 so I think uh I don’t think it will it will be a thing that 5240 02:26:42,899 --> 02:26:44,933 will it will be a thing that gets forced it will end up 5241 02:26:44,933 --> 02:26:45,366 gets forced it will end up being a punchline that it 5242 02:26:45,366 --> 02:26:47,000 being a punchline that it always used about Patel in the 5243 02:26:47,000 --> 02:26:48,000 always used about Patel in the future, but I don’t think it’ll 5244 02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:49,467 future, but I don’t think it’ll be enough to go to go look how 5245 02:26:49,467 --> 02:26:51,267 be enough to go to go look how much was needed to manage to 5246 02:26:51,267 --> 02:26:52,967 much was needed to manage to get see the uh the exit of 5247 02:26:52,967 --> 02:26:54,533 get see the uh the exit of Dominic Cumming. Yeah, I mean 5248 02:26:54,533 --> 02:26:55,967 Dominic Cumming. Yeah, I mean again and that wasn’t over uh 5249 02:26:55,967 --> 02:26:57,634 again and that wasn’t over uh the the allegations are 5250 02:26:57,634 --> 02:26:59,067 the the allegations are bullying either. Yeah, I mean 5251 02:26:59,067 --> 02:27:00,767 bullying either. Yeah, I mean again. it’s it’s basically so 5252 02:27:00,767 --> 02:27:01,733 again. it’s it’s basically so you could believe you’re 5253 02:27:01,733 --> 02:27:03,800 you could believe you’re popular as long as Carrie 5254 02:27:03,800 --> 02:27:05,799 popular as long as Carrie Simmons likes you probably get 5255 02:27:05,799 --> 02:27:08,700 Simmons likes you probably get away with it. 850 dollars a 5256 02:27:08,700 --> 02:27:09,800 away with it. 850 dollars a time. Thank you very much. 5257 02:27:09,800 --> 02:27:10,900 time. Thank you very much. Steve for joining me all this 5258 02:27:10,900 --> 02:27:13,034 Steve for joining me all this morning. lots more to come. Uh 5259 02:27:13,034 --> 02:27:14,133 morning. lots more to come. Uh you don’t wanna miss anything 5260 02:27:14,133 --> 02:27:15,834 you don’t wanna miss anything of the next hour. You can watch 5261 02:27:15,834 --> 02:27:16,800 of the next hour. You can watch the show live. We’re streaming 5262 02:27:16,800 --> 02:27:17,967 the show live. We’re streaming on Youtube, critter and 5263 02:27:17,967 --> 02:27:20,967 on Youtube, critter and Facebook. This is radio talk 5264 02:27:20,967 --> 02:27:23,400 Facebook. 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I’m Ross Powell on the way at nine Patel under fire 5364 02:30:37,767 --> 02:30:38,600 way at nine Patel under fire after investigation into 5365 02:30:38,600 --> 02:30:40,367 after investigation into bullying claims millions of 5366 02:30:40,367 --> 02:30:41,899 bullying claims millions of public sector workers face a 5367 02:30:41,899 --> 02:30:43,266 public sector workers face a pay freeze and Scotland’s 5368 02:30:43,266 --> 02:30:44,766 pay freeze and Scotland’s toughest coronavirus measures 5369 02:30:44,766 --> 02:30:47,466 toughest coronavirus measures coming to force later Talk 5370 02:30:47,466 --> 02:30:49,899 coming to force later Talk Radio the news its reports an 5371 02:30:49,899 --> 02:30:51,899 Radio the news its reports an investigation. Claims of 5372 02:30:51,899 --> 02:30:52,400 investigation. Claims of bullying by Home Secretary 5373 02:30:52,400 --> 02:30:54,600 bullying by Home Secretary Priti Patel has found she broke 5374 02:30:54,600 --> 02:30:56,333 Priti Patel has found she broke the ministerial Code A’s office 5375 02:30:56,333 --> 02:30:57,800 the ministerial Code A’s office investigation was launched in 5376 02:30:57,800 --> 02:30:58,799 investigation was launched in March after allegations that 5377 02:30:58,799 --> 02:31:00,333 March after allegations that the home secretary belittled 5378 02:31:00,333 --> 02:31:01,466 the home secretary belittled colleagues and clashed with 5379 02:31:01,466 --> 02:31:02,833 colleagues and clashed with senior officials claims that 5380 02:31:02,833 --> 02:31:04,600 senior officials claims that she has denied conservative MP 5381 02:31:04,600 --> 02:31:06,367 she has denied conservative MP Tom has told talk Radio. It’s 5382 02:31:06,367 --> 02:31:07,866 Tom has told talk Radio. It’s important that people take a 5383 02:31:07,866 --> 02:31:09,466 important that people take a balanced view of the reports 5384 02:31:09,466 --> 02:31:10,300 balanced view of the reports findings. I think it’s 5385 02:31:10,300 --> 02:31:11,034 findings. I think it’s important that we stand up to 5386 02:31:11,034 --> 02:31:12,800 important that we stand up to defend those who are bullied 5387 02:31:12,800 --> 02:31:14,400 defend those who are bullied and make sure that uh bullying 5388 02:31:14,400 --> 02:31:16,600 and make sure that uh bullying is stem out of our institutions 5389 02:31:16,600 --> 02:31:18,099 is stem out of our institutions for public etcetera as much as 5390 02:31:18,099 --> 02:31:19,034 for public etcetera as much as possible. Uh but it’s also 5391 02:31:19,034 --> 02:31:21,466 possible. Uh but it’s also important that we. A robust 5392 02:31:21,466 --> 02:31:22,799 important that we. A robust politicians who are able to uh 5393 02:31:22,799 --> 02:31:23,966 politicians who are able to uh deliver things that people vote 5394 02:31:23,966 --> 02:31:25,634 deliver things that people vote for and the report is also 5395 02:31:25,634 --> 02:31:26,434 for and the report is also expected to highlight incidents 5396 02:31:26,434 --> 02:31:27,767 expected to highlight incidents where officials at the home 5397 02:31:27,767 --> 02:31:28,866 where officials at the home office hadn’t always been 5398 02:31:28,866 --> 02:31:29,966 office hadn’t always been flexible in responding to 5399 02:31:29,966 --> 02:31:31,866 flexible in responding to request from the home secretary 5400 02:31:31,866 --> 02:31:33,266 request from the home secretary Talk Radio’s political 5401 02:31:33,266 --> 02:31:34,000 Talk Radio’s political correspondent Chas says this 5402 02:31:34,000 --> 02:31:36,099 correspondent Chas says this has led to big changes within 5403 02:31:36,099 --> 02:31:37,634 has led to big changes within her departments. There has been 5404 02:31:37,634 --> 02:31:39,899 her departments. There has been a big change over in senior 5405 02:31:39,899 --> 02:31:40,699 a big change over in senior leadership in the home office, 5406 02:31:40,699 --> 02:31:42,434 leadership in the home office, probably as a result of some of 5407 02:31:42,434 --> 02:31:44,099 probably as a result of some of this concern that has come out 5408 02:31:44,099 --> 02:31:45,399 this concern that has come out about failure to carry out 5409 02:31:45,399 --> 02:31:47,034 about failure to carry out tasks and the reports I believe 5410 02:31:47,034 --> 02:31:48,434 tasks and the reports I believe does also say that things have 5411 02:31:48,434 --> 02:31:50,799 does also say that things have improved dramatically. Recently 5412 02:31:50,799 --> 02:31:52,333 improved dramatically. Recently partly because Patel has been 5413 02:31:52,333 --> 02:31:53,899 partly because Patel has been told about her behavior that 5414 02:31:53,899 --> 02:31:55,034 told about her behavior that people have found unacceptable, 5415 02:31:55,034 --> 02:31:56,600 people have found unacceptable, but also because there is a new 5416 02:31:56,600 --> 02:31:57,800 but also because there is a new team in place. So she’s not 5417 02:31:57,800 --> 02:31:59,034 team in place. So she’s not getting us frustrated by them. 5418 02:31:59,034 --> 02:32:00,367 getting us frustrated by them. It’s reported that millions of 5419 02:32:00,367 --> 02:32:01,899 It’s reported that millions of public sector workers are 5420 02:32:01,899 --> 02:32:02,833 public sector workers are facing a pay freeze for a year 5421 02:32:02,833 --> 02:32:04,434 facing a pay freeze for a year is the chance to attempts to 5422 02:32:04,434 --> 02:32:05,800 is the chance to attempts to tackle the huge huge financial 5423 02:32:05,800 --> 02:32:06,833 tackle the huge huge financial hits by the Corona virus, 5424 02:32:06,833 --> 02:32:08,400 hits by the Corona virus, Teachers and civil servants 5425 02:32:08,400 --> 02:32:09,899 Teachers and civil servants will be affected, but not those 5426 02:32:09,899 --> 02:32:11,366 will be affected, but not those working on the NS front line 5427 02:32:11,366 --> 02:32:13,367 working on the NS front line for the move could save around 5428 02:32:13,367 --> 02:32:13,967 for the move could save around 2000000000 pounds. Duncan 5429 02:32:13,967 --> 02:32:15,366 2000000000 pounds. Duncan Simpson from the Taxpayers 5430 02:32:15,366 --> 02:32:17,067 Simpson from the Taxpayers Alliance as to talk radio. It’s 5431 02:32:17,067 --> 02:32:18,099 Alliance as to talk radio. It’s a fair decision do bear in mind 5432 02:32:18,099 --> 02:32:20,199 a fair decision do bear in mind that. People in the public 5433 02:32:20,199 --> 02:32:21,899 that. People in the public sector for years and had a very 5434 02:32:21,899 --> 02:32:23,266 sector for years and had a very generous situation so the 5435 02:32:23,266 --> 02:32:25,034 generous situation so the earnings premium that is 7% 5436 02:32:25,034 --> 02:32:25,966 earnings premium that is 7% higher for those that those in 5437 02:32:25,966 --> 02:32:27,634 higher for those that those in the private sector that are 5438 02:32:27,634 --> 02:32:29,034 the private sector that are missing the has narrowed and 5439 02:32:29,034 --> 02:32:30,833 missing the has narrowed and the recent years, but it is a 5440 02:32:30,833 --> 02:32:32,866 the recent years, but it is a huge advantage and more than 5441 02:32:32,866 --> 02:32:33,966 huge advantage and more than 2000000 people in Scotland are 5442 02:32:33,966 --> 02:32:34,833 2000000 people in Scotland are preparing to move to the 5443 02:32:34,833 --> 02:32:36,434 preparing to move to the country’s toughest of 5444 02:32:36,434 --> 02:32:37,767 country’s toughest of coronavirus restrictions. the 5445 02:32:37,767 --> 02:32:39,634 coronavirus restrictions. the level four rules force at 6 5446 02:32:39,634 --> 02:32:40,799 level four rules force at 6 o’clock this evening and eleven 5447 02:32:40,799 --> 02:32:41,899 o’clock this evening and eleven council areas, including 5448 02:32:41,899 --> 02:32:44,199 council areas, including Glasgow Sterling and much of 5449 02:32:44,199 --> 02:32:46,567 Glasgow Sterling and much of talk Radio national weather. 5450 02:32:46,567 --> 02:32:47,634 talk Radio national weather. Some heavy rain set to move 5451 02:32:47,634 --> 02:32:49,801 Some heavy rain set to move from West. Across the UK this 5452 02:32:49,801 --> 02:32:50,699 from West. Across the UK this morning, it’ll be mainly wet in 5453 02:32:50,699 --> 02:32:52,600 morning, it’ll be mainly wet in just the east of England by the 5454 02:32:52,600 --> 02:32:55,466 just the east of England by the afternoon highs of 12° Talk 5455 02:32:55,466 --> 02:33:01,900 afternoon highs of 12° Talk radio. I spy something 5456 02:33:01,900 --> 02:33:06,799 radio. I spy something beginning with T is it the new 5457 02:33:06,799 --> 02:33:08,600 beginning with T is it the new Volkswagen Tiguan online with 5458 02:33:08,600 --> 02:33:09,767 Volkswagen Tiguan online with the elegant leather 5459 02:33:09,767 --> 02:33:11,466 the elegant leather multi-function steering wheel 5460 02:33:11,466 --> 02:33:13,799 multi-function steering wheel wireless connects sleep IQ Line 5461 02:33:13,799 --> 02:33:15,466 wireless connects sleep IQ Line matrix beam headlights soft 5462 02:33:15,466 --> 02:33:17,767 matrix beam headlights soft thirty color ambient lighting 5463 02:33:17,767 --> 02:33:19,466 thirty color ambient lighting and a set of glossy 5464 02:33:19,466 --> 02:33:22,099 and a set of glossy nineteen-inch alloy wheels that 5465 02:33:22,099 --> 02:33:25,466 nineteen-inch alloy wheels that we just passed No. Did I have 5466 02:33:25,466 --> 02:33:28,434 we just passed No. Did I have the twenty-inch wheels the new 5467 02:33:28,434 --> 02:33:30,000 the twenty-inch wheels the new Volkswagen one full of reasons 5468 02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:32,434 Volkswagen one full of reasons to get excited? Contact your 5469 02:33:32,434 --> 02:33:33,634 to get excited? Contact your local retailer today, Some 5470 02:33:33,634 --> 02:33:34,733 local retailer today, Some features mention not at 5471 02:33:34,733 --> 02:33:36,099 features mention not at standard but available as 5472 02:33:36,099 --> 02:33:38,733 standard but available as additional cost across the UK 5473 02:33:38,733 --> 02:33:40,699 additional cost across the UK online on and on your 5474 02:33:40,699 --> 02:33:45,767 online on and on your smartphone. Radio Julia Hartley 5475 02:33:45,767 --> 02:33:47,634 smartphone. Radio Julia Hartley brewer at Breakfast on Talk 5476 02:33:47,634 --> 02:33:49,299 brewer at Breakfast on Talk Radio Good morning. Cheers 5477 02:33:49,299 --> 02:33:50,334 Radio Good morning. Cheers Friday the twentieth of 5478 02:33:50,334 --> 02:33:51,399 Friday the twentieth of November you’ll listen to 5479 02:33:51,399 --> 02:33:52,767 November you’ll listen to breakfast with Julia on tour 5480 02:33:52,767 --> 02:33:53,933 breakfast with Julia on tour radio. Don’t forget you can 5481 02:33:53,933 --> 02:33:55,334 radio. Don’t forget you can watch the show live We are 5482 02:33:55,334 --> 02:33:56,167 watch the show live We are streaming on YouTube, Facebook 5483 02:33:56,167 --> 02:33:58,467 streaming on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter right now coming up 5484 02:33:58,467 --> 02:33:59,967 and Twitter right now coming up nearly 4000000 public sector 5485 02:33:59,967 --> 02:34:01,133 nearly 4000000 public sector workers, including soldiers, 5486 02:34:01,133 --> 02:34:02,233 workers, including soldiers, police services, teachers and 5487 02:34:02,233 --> 02:34:03,966 police services, teachers and civil service have to help 5488 02:34:03,966 --> 02:34:05,933 civil service have to help prepare the nation’s finances 5489 02:34:05,933 --> 02:34:07,767 prepare the nation’s finances after coronavirus chance of 5490 02:34:07,767 --> 02:34:09,034 after coronavirus chance of uses comprehensive spending 5491 02:34:09,034 --> 02:34:10,234 uses comprehensive spending review next week to announce 5492 02:34:10,234 --> 02:34:11,567 review next week to announce that must be pay restraint 5493 02:34:11,567 --> 02:34:12,766 that must be pay restraint saying that it’s only fair the 5494 02:34:12,766 --> 02:34:13,966 saying that it’s only fair the public sector wages are frozen 5495 02:34:13,966 --> 02:34:15,299 public sector wages are frozen when many of those in the 5496 02:34:15,299 --> 02:34:16,000 when many of those in the private sector are face 5497 02:34:16,000 --> 02:34:17,466 private sector are face significant pay cuts or job 5498 02:34:17,466 --> 02:34:19,299 significant pay cuts or job losses. Also, an official 5499 02:34:19,299 --> 02:34:20,834 losses. Also, an official inquiries concluded that home 5500 02:34:20,834 --> 02:34:22,066 inquiries concluded that home Secretary Patel breeds the 5501 02:34:22,066 --> 02:34:24,767 Secretary Patel breeds the minister by bullying civil 5502 02:34:24,767 --> 02:34:25,466 minister by bullying civil servants, an investigation 5503 02:34:25,466 --> 02:34:26,399 servants, an investigation found not always met the 5504 02:34:26,399 --> 02:34:28,766 found not always met the highest standards required 5505 02:34:28,766 --> 02:34:29,967 highest standards required admins for Johnson is going to 5506 02:34:29,967 --> 02:34:31,567 admins for Johnson is going to fight to keep up and up to 5507 02:34:31,567 --> 02:34:33,901 fight to keep up and up to 1000000 Brits a day could be 5508 02:34:33,901 --> 02:34:34,567 1000000 Brits a day could be vaccinated against coveted in a 5509 02:34:34,567 --> 02:34:35,634 vaccinated against coveted in a in a record-breaking to beat 5510 02:34:35,634 --> 02:34:37,766 in a record-breaking to beat the virus. The NS is poised to 5511 02:34:37,766 --> 02:34:39,267 the virus. The NS is poised to recruit more than 40000 extra 5512 02:34:39,267 --> 02:34:40,000 recruit more than 40000 extra workers to roll out the job. 5513 02:34:40,000 --> 02:34:42,301 workers to roll out the job. the vaccine maker expected 5514 02:34:42,301 --> 02:34:46,999 the vaccine maker expected approval within days plus. 5515 02:34:50,467 --> 02:34:53,599 Still on the 5516 02:34:54,467 --> 02:34:55,867 Should go to the nation’s 5517 02:34:55,867 --> 02:34:56,967 Should go to the nation’s favorite Christmas songs Fairy 5518 02:34:56,967 --> 02:34:59,334 favorite Christmas songs Fairy Tale by the poms, Of course, be 5519 02:34:59,334 --> 02:35:00,100 Tale by the poms, Of course, be course, be edited because it is 5520 02:35:00,100 --> 02:35:01,867 course, be edited because it is potentially offensive lyrics 5521 02:35:01,867 --> 02:35:02,900 potentially offensive lyrics and we’ll be talking about the 5522 02:35:02,900 --> 02:35:04,133 and we’ll be talking about the biggest show Court case of the 5523 02:35:04,133 --> 02:35:07,267 biggest show Court case of the year. No not Johnny Depp. It’s 5524 02:35:07,267 --> 02:35:10,301 year. No not Johnny Depp. It’s Colleen Rooney versus Rebecca. 5525 02:35:10,301 --> 02:35:12,899 Colleen Rooney versus Rebecca. Yeah, the Christy debates of 5526 02:35:12,899 --> 02:35:14,000 Yeah, the Christy debates of all time so last night is the 5527 02:35:14,000 --> 02:35:17,800 all time so last night is the time this is talk Radio Julia 5528 02:35:17,800 --> 02:35:20,800 time this is talk Radio Julia Hartley brewer at breakfast on 5529 02:35:20,800 --> 02:35:22,267 Hartley brewer at breakfast on Top radio Good morning to you. 5530 02:35:22,267 --> 02:35:23,934 Top radio Good morning to you. This is breakfast with me. 5531 02:35:23,934 --> 02:35:25,867 This is breakfast with me. Julia Hartley really appreciate 5532 02:35:25,867 --> 02:35:27,733 Julia Hartley really appreciate you joining me, lots and lots. 5533 02:35:27,733 --> 02:35:29,067 you joining me, lots and lots. To talk about particularly 5534 02:35:29,067 --> 02:35:31,301 To talk about particularly about Corona virus and there 5535 02:35:31,301 --> 02:35:32,133 about Corona virus and there was the after effects of it of 5536 02:35:32,133 --> 02:35:33,434 was the after effects of it of course, the public sector pay 5537 02:35:33,434 --> 02:35:34,634 course, the public sector pay freeze. we’ve been talking 5538 02:35:34,634 --> 02:35:35,800 freeze. we’ve been talking about, but also know how we’re 5539 02:35:35,800 --> 02:35:37,267 about, but also know how we’re gonna get to Christmas and 5540 02:35:37,267 --> 02:35:38,200 gonna get to Christmas and whether or not we are gonna see 5541 02:35:38,200 --> 02:35:39,933 whether or not we are gonna see as the sun is looking very 5542 02:35:39,933 --> 02:35:41,467 as the sun is looking very hopeful today, Huge coveted 5543 02:35:41,467 --> 02:35:43,734 hopeful today, Huge coveted boosts our front page 1000000 5544 02:35:43,734 --> 02:35:45,567 boosts our front page 1000000 jobs a day biggest push in NS 5545 02:35:45,567 --> 02:35:47,267 jobs a day biggest push in NS history. Could history could 5546 02:35:47,267 --> 02:35:47,800 history. Could history could realistically happen Well, 5547 02:35:47,800 --> 02:35:49,034 realistically happen Well, let’s talk to former 5548 02:35:49,034 --> 02:35:49,767 let’s talk to former conservative health secretary 5549 02:35:49,767 --> 02:35:51,967 conservative health secretary Steven D. He joins us now good 5550 02:35:51,967 --> 02:35:53,399 Steven D. He joins us now good morning to Steven Morning. 5551 02:35:53,399 --> 02:35:54,334 morning to Steven Morning. Julia Good morning Look We’ve 5552 02:35:54,334 --> 02:35:55,434 Julia Good morning Look We’ve had lots of I mean lots of 5553 02:35:55,434 --> 02:35:57,399 had lots of I mean lots of really hopeful news. Recent 5554 02:35:57,399 --> 02:35:58,800 really hopeful news. Recent days and weeks about his 5555 02:35:58,800 --> 02:36:00,133 days and weeks about his vaccines, we’re now looking at 5556 02:36:00,133 --> 02:36:02,300 vaccines, we’re now looking at not just the Fisa vaccine or 5557 02:36:02,300 --> 02:36:03,133 not just the Fisa vaccine or the vaccine, which we wouldn’t 5558 02:36:03,133 --> 02:36:04,967 the vaccine, which we wouldn’t get until next Easter. It’s not 5559 02:36:04,967 --> 02:36:05,667 get until next Easter. It’s not being rolled out in Europe 5560 02:36:05,667 --> 02:36:07,133 being rolled out in Europe until then um Americans get it 5561 02:36:07,133 --> 02:36:08,733 until then um Americans get it first but now the Oxford 5562 02:36:08,733 --> 02:36:09,767 first but now the Oxford University uh the vaccine looks 5563 02:36:09,767 --> 02:36:10,500 University uh the vaccine looks like we’re gonna get some good 5564 02:36:10,500 --> 02:36:12,000 like we’re gonna get some good news on that in the next few 5565 02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:14,267 news on that in the next few weeks as well, Visor said. Look 5566 02:36:14,267 --> 02:36:16,933 weeks as well, Visor said. Look 95% efficacy. We can’t we we’ve 5567 02:36:16,933 --> 02:36:17,767 95% efficacy. We can’t we we’ve literally got it ready to go 5568 02:36:17,767 --> 02:36:18,500 literally got it ready to go the moment is given regulatory 5569 02:36:18,500 --> 02:36:20,867 the moment is given regulatory approval. We are ready to go. 5570 02:36:20,867 --> 02:36:22,367 approval. We are ready to go. You can have it within hours Um 5571 02:36:22,367 --> 02:36:23,034 You can have it within hours Um now we’re talking about a 5572 02:36:23,034 --> 02:36:25,067 now we’re talking about a million vaccines rolled out a 5573 02:36:25,067 --> 02:36:26,900 million vaccines rolled out a day that you used to be in. Of 5574 02:36:26,900 --> 02:36:31,933 day that you used to be in. Of the NS can we do that uh uh 5575 02:36:31,933 --> 02:36:33,567 the NS can we do that uh uh yes, my guess is that we can do 5576 02:36:33,567 --> 02:36:36,334 yes, my guess is that we can do that actually uh I think it’s 5577 02:36:36,334 --> 02:36:38,267 that actually uh I think it’s there’s clearly a requirement 5578 02:36:38,267 --> 02:36:39,967 there’s clearly a requirement to plan for it to make certain 5579 02:36:39,967 --> 02:36:42,500 to plan for it to make certain that the uh the doses are in 5580 02:36:42,500 --> 02:36:44,301 that the uh the doses are in the right place that people 5581 02:36:44,301 --> 02:36:46,233 the right place that people have the right equipment to be 5582 02:36:46,233 --> 02:36:48,033 have the right equipment to be able to store it all of that. 5583 02:36:48,033 --> 02:36:49,399 able to store it all of that. uh but I think with proper 5584 02:36:49,399 --> 02:36:50,367 uh but I think with proper planning, it’s entirely 5585 02:36:50,367 --> 02:36:51,967 planning, it’s entirely possible to do that and to do 5586 02:36:51,967 --> 02:36:53,900 possible to do that and to do it in a reasonably short time 5587 02:36:53,900 --> 02:36:54,901 it in a reasonably short time scale, we said. Yeah, 5588 02:36:54,901 --> 02:36:56,000 scale, we said. Yeah, reasonably short time I’m 5589 02:36:56,000 --> 02:36:57,333 reasonably short time I’m thinking about today. I mean we 5590 02:36:57,333 --> 02:36:58,334 thinking about today. I mean we we’d be looking if it was 7 5591 02:36:58,334 --> 02:36:58,999 we’d be looking if it was 7 days a week and hey, why is 5592 02:36:58,999 --> 02:37:00,334 days a week and hey, why is everyone taking Sunday off this 5593 02:37:00,334 --> 02:37:02,133 everyone taking Sunday off this is about saving lives? uh we 5594 02:37:02,133 --> 02:37:03,766 is about saving lives? uh we could. In a couple of months 5595 02:37:03,766 --> 02:37:05,399 could. In a couple of months end of February, all sorted 5596 02:37:05,399 --> 02:37:06,800 end of February, all sorted jobs done back to normal. I 5597 02:37:06,800 --> 02:37:08,267 jobs done back to normal. I just don’t think it most people 5598 02:37:08,267 --> 02:37:10,299 just don’t think it most people realistically think that is 5599 02:37:10,299 --> 02:37:11,167 realistically think that is what’s going to happen now and 5600 02:37:11,167 --> 02:37:13,299 what’s going to happen now and I think I’m with most people on 5601 02:37:13,299 --> 02:37:15,767 I think I’m with most people on that. uh so can you get uh a 5602 02:37:15,767 --> 02:37:17,333 that. uh so can you get uh a mass vaccination program and 5603 02:37:17,333 --> 02:37:18,767 mass vaccination program and the truth is the health service 5604 02:37:18,767 --> 02:37:21,267 the truth is the health service does mass vaccination as a 5605 02:37:21,267 --> 02:37:22,667 does mass vaccination as a regular part of its business, 5606 02:37:22,667 --> 02:37:24,133 regular part of its business, not a new drug to every member 5607 02:37:24,133 --> 02:37:26,399 not a new drug to every member of the population, and that’s 5608 02:37:26,399 --> 02:37:27,800 of the population, and that’s hasn’t happened in recent times 5609 02:37:27,800 --> 02:37:30,967 hasn’t happened in recent times uh the vaccination uh mass 5610 02:37:30,967 --> 02:37:33,834 uh the vaccination uh mass vaccination. Is part of normal 5611 02:37:33,834 --> 02:37:35,834 vaccination. Is part of normal health service business uh this 5612 02:37:35,834 --> 02:37:37,800 health service business uh this would be more focused more 5613 02:37:37,800 --> 02:37:40,000 would be more focused more concentrated and clearly with 5614 02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:41,799 concentrated and clearly with emergency uh to get it done. Uh 5615 02:37:41,799 --> 02:37:43,333 emergency uh to get it done. Uh that is it gonna happen at the 5616 02:37:43,333 --> 02:37:45,334 that is it gonna happen at the rate of a million a day uh from 5617 02:37:45,334 --> 02:37:46,834 rate of a million a day uh from January, That’s obviously not 5618 02:37:46,834 --> 02:37:49,300 January, That’s obviously not gonna happen now uh and I think 5619 02:37:49,300 --> 02:37:49,967 gonna happen now uh and I think there’s also something else 5620 02:37:49,967 --> 02:37:52,166 there’s also something else here. Julia I completely agree 5621 02:37:52,166 --> 02:37:53,800 here. Julia I completely agree with you uh that there’s some 5622 02:37:53,800 --> 02:37:55,766 with you uh that there’s some at last some encouraging news 5623 02:37:55,766 --> 02:37:57,334 at last some encouraging news on vaccines. I do think it’s 5624 02:37:57,334 --> 02:37:58,834 on vaccines. I do think it’s important. We don’t get too far 5625 02:37:58,834 --> 02:38:00,933 important. We don’t get too far ahead of ourselves. Uh we 5626 02:38:00,933 --> 02:38:03,233 ahead of ourselves. Uh we sometimes make the uh the. 5627 02:38:03,233 --> 02:38:05,100 sometimes make the uh the. Testing program around safety 5628 02:38:05,100 --> 02:38:07,334 Testing program around safety Sanders, though, it’s just 5629 02:38:07,334 --> 02:38:08,200 Sanders, though, it’s just another bureaucratic obstacle. 5630 02:38:08,200 --> 02:38:09,967 another bureaucratic obstacle. uh we do need to ensure that 5631 02:38:09,967 --> 02:38:12,267 uh we do need to ensure that these drugs are fully tested 5632 02:38:12,267 --> 02:38:14,800 these drugs are fully tested before we engage in a mass 5633 02:38:14,800 --> 02:38:16,434 before we engage in a mass vaccination program. I hope and 5634 02:38:16,434 --> 02:38:18,000 vaccination program. I hope and believe that we’ll get there, 5635 02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:19,434 believe that we’ll get there, but we’re not there yet. So I 5636 02:38:19,434 --> 02:38:20,934 but we’re not there yet. So I think it’s important not to get 5637 02:38:20,934 --> 02:38:22,000 think it’s important not to get ahead of that. and that’s where 5638 02:38:22,000 --> 02:38:23,467 ahead of that. and that’s where there are a lot of people. I 5639 02:38:23,467 --> 02:38:24,767 there are a lot of people. I know who aren’t remotely anti 5640 02:38:24,767 --> 02:38:26,000 know who aren’t remotely anti vaccine people are perfectly 5641 02:38:26,000 --> 02:38:26,900 vaccine people are perfectly sensible. people have their 5642 02:38:26,900 --> 02:38:28,834 sensible. people have their kids. Mr I totally understand 5643 02:38:28,834 --> 02:38:29,634 kids. Mr I totally understand that vaccination is one of the 5644 02:38:29,634 --> 02:38:30,933 that vaccination is one of the greatest miracles that keep uh 5645 02:38:30,933 --> 02:38:33,767 greatest miracles that keep uh human beings alive. Um indeed, 5646 02:38:33,767 --> 02:38:35,300 human beings alive. Um indeed, but they are concerned about 5647 02:38:35,300 --> 02:38:36,767 but they are concerned about the speed of which and also the 5648 02:38:36,767 --> 02:38:38,000 the speed of which and also the fact that I think virtually all 5649 02:38:38,000 --> 02:38:39,434 fact that I think virtually all of these contracts where uh 5650 02:38:39,434 --> 02:38:40,733 of these contracts where uh we’ve we’ve our government and 5651 02:38:40,733 --> 02:38:41,933 we’ve we’ve our government and other governments around the 5652 02:38:41,933 --> 02:38:43,300 other governments around the world have signed up to see 5653 02:38:43,300 --> 02:38:44,467 world have signed up to see millions of these these doses 5654 02:38:44,467 --> 02:38:46,301 millions of these these doses they give exemption in terms of 5655 02:38:46,301 --> 02:38:48,334 they give exemption in terms of there’s no liability if there 5656 02:38:48,334 --> 02:38:49,800 there’s no liability if there are long-term problems if we go 5657 02:38:49,800 --> 02:38:50,467 are long-term problems if we go ahead and give regulatory 5658 02:38:50,467 --> 02:38:52,533 ahead and give regulatory approval very quickly based on 5659 02:38:52,533 --> 02:38:53,133 approval very quickly based on the information they have after 5660 02:38:53,133 --> 02:38:54,133 the information they have after the trials they’ve done with 5661 02:38:54,133 --> 02:38:55,567 the trials they’ve done with you know a few tens of 5662 02:38:55,567 --> 02:38:56,867 you know a few tens of thousands of people obviously 5663 02:38:56,867 --> 02:38:58,567 thousands of people obviously short term not long term, they 5664 02:38:58,567 --> 02:39:01,333 short term not long term, they will be uh you know financially 5665 02:39:01,333 --> 02:39:03,599 will be uh you know financially protected. Uh from lawsuits and 5666 02:39:03,599 --> 02:39:06,299 protected. Uh from lawsuits and they’re like um that that does 5667 02:39:06,299 --> 02:39:07,300 they’re like um that that does raise, I mean perfectly 5668 02:39:07,300 --> 02:39:09,067 raise, I mean perfectly reasonable justified concerns 5669 02:39:09,067 --> 02:39:10,666 reasonable justified concerns from people who would otherwise 5670 02:39:10,666 --> 02:39:12,133 from people who would otherwise be very trusting of medicine 5671 02:39:12,133 --> 02:39:14,334 be very trusting of medicine and science of vaccines. Well, 5672 02:39:14,334 --> 02:39:15,766 and science of vaccines. Well, I think it’s a question of 5673 02:39:15,766 --> 02:39:18,333 I think it’s a question of engaging all of the players uh 5674 02:39:18,333 --> 02:39:20,733 engaging all of the players uh in the delivery of a 5675 02:39:20,733 --> 02:39:23,366 in the delivery of a vaccination program uh in 5676 02:39:23,366 --> 02:39:25,799 vaccination program uh in recognizing the normal 5677 02:39:25,799 --> 02:39:26,366 recognizing the normal processes where these 5678 02:39:26,366 --> 02:39:27,966 processes where these vaccinations are take 5 years 5679 02:39:27,966 --> 02:39:29,500 vaccinations are take 5 years to get through clinical trials 5680 02:39:29,500 --> 02:39:32,933 to get through clinical trials and approval processes that. 5681 02:39:32,933 --> 02:39:35,334 and approval processes that. It’s in no one’s interests to 5682 02:39:35,334 --> 02:39:37,300 It’s in no one’s interests to allow that extended program the 5683 02:39:37,300 --> 02:39:39,800 allow that extended program the extended time to apply if we 5684 02:39:39,800 --> 02:39:43,399 extended time to apply if we can get to acceptable risk and 5685 02:39:43,399 --> 02:39:43,933 can get to acceptable risk and this, you know every 5686 02:39:43,933 --> 02:39:45,233 this, you know every vaccination has a risk 5687 02:39:45,233 --> 02:39:47,367 vaccination has a risk associated with its animal, but 5688 02:39:47,367 --> 02:39:48,901 associated with its animal, but it does have a risk associated 5689 02:39:48,901 --> 02:39:50,267 it does have a risk associated with every clinical 5690 02:39:50,267 --> 02:39:51,300 with every clinical intervention. Yeah, I mean 5691 02:39:51,300 --> 02:39:52,900 intervention. Yeah, I mean taking aspirin can be risky for 5692 02:39:52,900 --> 02:39:55,567 taking aspirin can be risky for some people. so yeah precisely 5693 02:39:55,567 --> 02:39:57,299 some people. so yeah precisely so it’s about getting to to an 5694 02:39:57,299 --> 02:40:00,934 so it’s about getting to to an level of assurance and II think 5695 02:40:00,934 --> 02:40:03,267 level of assurance and II think that uh the regulators the 5696 02:40:03,267 --> 02:40:05,167 that uh the regulators the industry uh the professions 5697 02:40:05,167 --> 02:40:06,333 industry uh the professions have all done an amazing job 5698 02:40:06,333 --> 02:40:10,300 have all done an amazing job this year at. In getting a new 5699 02:40:10,300 --> 02:40:12,000 this year at. In getting a new unrecognized virus at at the 5700 02:40:12,000 --> 02:40:13,367 unrecognized virus at at the beginning of the to a 5701 02:40:13,367 --> 02:40:15,267 beginning of the to a vaccination program being 5702 02:40:15,267 --> 02:40:17,500 vaccination program being planned for next year, that’s 5703 02:40:17,500 --> 02:40:18,467 planned for next year, that’s subject to approval. uh does 5704 02:40:18,467 --> 02:40:20,800 subject to approval. uh does give us the offer the uh the 5705 02:40:20,800 --> 02:40:22,500 give us the offer the uh the prospect of immunity against 5706 02:40:22,500 --> 02:40:25,067 prospect of immunity against that virus. That’s never been 5707 02:40:25,067 --> 02:40:26,267 that virus. That’s never been done before, but it is 5708 02:40:26,267 --> 02:40:27,767 done before, but it is important that we do go through 5709 02:40:27,767 --> 02:40:30,267 important that we do go through the necessary processes to give 5710 02:40:30,267 --> 02:40:33,133 the necessary processes to give us uh the uh the the right 5711 02:40:33,133 --> 02:40:35,634 us uh the uh the the right level of risk assurance. Yeah. 5712 02:40:35,634 --> 02:40:36,367 level of risk assurance. Yeah. I mean that that’s what it is. 5713 02:40:36,367 --> 02:40:38,533 I mean that that’s what it is. It’s it’s there are trade-offs. 5714 02:40:38,533 --> 02:40:39,800 It’s it’s there are trade-offs. That’s all times. Can I also uh 5715 02:40:39,800 --> 02:40:41,199 That’s all times. Can I also uh talk to you about the issue 5716 02:40:41,199 --> 02:40:42,133 talk to you about the issue with you know the Christmas 5717 02:40:42,133 --> 02:40:44,267 with you know the Christmas plan. Had public health, 5718 02:40:44,267 --> 02:40:45,967 plan. Had public health, England and Sage and others 5719 02:40:45,967 --> 02:40:47,367 England and Sage and others talking about you know 1 day 5720 02:40:47,367 --> 02:40:49,933 talking about you know 1 day off for Christmas is five verse 5721 02:40:49,933 --> 02:40:51,434 off for Christmas is five verse 2 days within hours, it was 5 5722 02:40:51,434 --> 02:40:53,234 2 days within hours, it was 5 days some computer modeling, 5723 02:40:53,234 --> 02:40:54,234 days some computer modeling, which I mean sorry, excuse me 5724 02:40:54,234 --> 02:40:56,533 which I mean sorry, excuse me if I’ve lost faith in computer 5725 02:40:56,533 --> 02:40:58,734 if I’ve lost faith in computer modelling this year um uh but I 5726 02:40:58,734 --> 02:41:00,467 modelling this year um uh but I think most people have um who 5727 02:41:00,467 --> 02:41:01,966 think most people have um who are looking at the data uh but 5728 02:41:01,966 --> 02:41:03,567 are looking at the data uh but you know so so every day you 5729 02:41:03,567 --> 02:41:04,767 you know so so every day you spend with your family over 5730 02:41:04,767 --> 02:41:06,234 spend with your family over Christmas, you’re gonna have 5 5731 02:41:06,234 --> 02:41:08,200 Christmas, you’re gonna have 5 days of a punishment beating in 5732 02:41:08,200 --> 02:41:08,900 days of a punishment beating in January, with more locked down, 5733 02:41:08,900 --> 02:41:10,467 January, with more locked down, We’re looking at 3 weeks of 5734 02:41:10,467 --> 02:41:12,467 We’re looking at 3 weeks of locked down to Christmas Eve. 5735 02:41:12,467 --> 02:41:14,000 locked down to Christmas Eve. Days grew up to including the 5736 02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:15,599 Days grew up to including the bank holiday being allowed to 5737 02:41:15,599 --> 02:41:17,034 bank holiday being allowed to visit family uh but obviously 5738 02:41:17,034 --> 02:41:18,000 visit family uh but obviously being careful, meaning free 5739 02:41:18,000 --> 02:41:18,834 being careful, meaning free people aren’t being be careful. 5740 02:41:18,834 --> 02:41:20,334 people aren’t being be careful. They’re crazy. They should be 5741 02:41:20,334 --> 02:41:21,234 They’re crazy. They should be being careful without certainly 5742 02:41:21,234 --> 02:41:22,399 being careful without certainly all the vulnerable people and 5743 02:41:22,399 --> 02:41:24,967 all the vulnerable people and then after that we go back into 5744 02:41:24,967 --> 02:41:27,434 then after that we go back into 25 days minimum of another lock 5745 02:41:27,434 --> 02:41:30,000 25 days minimum of another lock down. um do you actually do you 5746 02:41:30,000 --> 02:41:31,299 down. um do you actually do you trust the science on this? Do 5747 02:41:31,299 --> 02:41:32,767 trust the science on this? Do you trust that this computer 5748 02:41:32,767 --> 02:41:33,767 you trust that this computer modeling should be taken 5749 02:41:33,767 --> 02:41:34,667 modeling should be taken seriously? Where do you think 5750 02:41:34,667 --> 02:41:35,767 seriously? Where do you think this stuff is coming from the 5751 02:41:35,767 --> 02:41:36,800 this stuff is coming from the fact that someone can say 2 5752 02:41:36,800 --> 02:41:38,634 fact that someone can say 2 days. Oh, no it’s 5 days. Oh 5753 02:41:38,634 --> 02:41:40,300 days. Oh, no it’s 5 days. Oh well. we’re not quite sure the 5754 02:41:40,300 --> 02:41:40,999 well. we’re not quite sure the fact that none of this stuff is 5755 02:41:40,999 --> 02:41:42,000 fact that none of this stuff is published it should we should 5756 02:41:42,000 --> 02:41:42,967 published it should we should be taking any of this 5757 02:41:42,967 --> 02:41:45,500 be taking any of this seriously. Well, once again as 5758 02:41:45,500 --> 02:41:47,200 seriously. Well, once again as we’ve often done in these 5759 02:41:47,200 --> 02:41:47,800 we’ve often done in these conversations, really I’d like 5760 02:41:47,800 --> 02:41:50,267 conversations, really I’d like if I may just to unpack that 5761 02:41:50,267 --> 02:41:52,999 if I may just to unpack that this thing one thing you said 5762 02:41:52,999 --> 02:41:55,300 this thing one thing you said in that question, a series of 5763 02:41:55,300 --> 02:41:56,967 in that question, a series of questions uh this none of this 5764 02:41:56,967 --> 02:41:57,567 questions uh this none of this information has been published. 5765 02:41:57,567 --> 02:41:59,634 information has been published. I think you’re 100% right about 5766 02:41:59,634 --> 02:42:01,399 I think you’re 100% right about that. I think that it’s right 5767 02:42:01,399 --> 02:42:05,333 that. I think that it’s right uh to the to the to uh say that 5768 02:42:05,333 --> 02:42:07,233 uh to the to the to uh say that the basis on which these 5769 02:42:07,233 --> 02:42:08,767 the basis on which these decisions are being taken this 5770 02:42:08,767 --> 02:42:11,200 decisions are being taken this year has been unhealthy 5771 02:42:11,200 --> 02:42:12,800 year has been unhealthy secretive and it would have 5772 02:42:12,800 --> 02:42:14,634 secretive and it would have been much better In fact, this 5773 02:42:14,634 --> 02:42:16,167 been much better In fact, this evidence had been the subject 5774 02:42:16,167 --> 02:42:17,533 evidence had been the subject to public discussion as the 5775 02:42:17,533 --> 02:42:19,766 to public discussion as the first second point uh you. Me 5776 02:42:19,766 --> 02:42:21,600 first second point uh you. Me do I believe in modelling do I 5777 02:42:21,600 --> 02:42:22,700 do I believe in modelling do I believe in the science The 5778 02:42:22,700 --> 02:42:23,967 believe in the science The answer to that question is yes 5779 02:42:23,967 --> 02:42:27,301 answer to that question is yes what I don’t believe in is over 5780 02:42:27,301 --> 02:42:28,767 what I don’t believe in is over simplification of of the models 5781 02:42:28,767 --> 02:42:30,434 simplification of of the models over simplification of the 5782 02:42:30,434 --> 02:42:31,967 over simplification of the science and that I think is the 5783 02:42:31,967 --> 02:42:33,667 science and that I think is the result of allowing all this to 5784 02:42:33,667 --> 02:42:37,434 result of allowing all this to go on in secret if the evidence 5785 02:42:37,434 --> 02:42:39,267 go on in secret if the evidence were published, there would be 5786 02:42:39,267 --> 02:42:40,900 were published, there would be a more nuance debate. There is 5787 02:42:40,900 --> 02:42:42,467 a more nuance debate. There is no single answer to these 5788 02:42:42,467 --> 02:42:43,733 no single answer to these questions. Of course, it has to 5789 02:42:43,733 --> 02:42:46,301 questions. Of course, it has to come to a single decision uh 5790 02:42:46,301 --> 02:42:48,834 come to a single decision uh but in developing that decision 5791 02:42:48,834 --> 02:42:50,333 but in developing that decision what we haven’t been allowed to 5792 02:42:50,333 --> 02:42:52,634 what we haven’t been allowed to see and I think that’s why some 5793 02:42:52,634 --> 02:42:53,867 see and I think that’s why some people are saying, Oh I dont. 5794 02:42:53,867 --> 02:42:55,533 people are saying, Oh I dont. Trust the science we haven’t 5795 02:42:55,533 --> 02:42:57,766 Trust the science we haven’t been allowed to see this but 5796 02:42:57,766 --> 02:42:59,533 been allowed to see this but also allowed to see is the 5797 02:42:59,533 --> 02:43:01,733 also allowed to see is the singer is the one dimensional 5798 02:43:01,733 --> 02:43:02,634 singer is the one dimensional completion, but also we you 5799 02:43:02,634 --> 02:43:03,767 completion, but also we you know we have things like oh 5800 02:43:03,767 --> 02:43:06,000 know we have things like oh 4000 a day death prediction for 5801 02:43:06,000 --> 02:43:07,967 4000 a day death prediction for people like uh fans, which we 5802 02:43:07,967 --> 02:43:10,267 people like uh fans, which we know was proven untrue at the 5803 02:43:10,267 --> 02:43:11,867 know was proven untrue at the on the day, he said it and the 5804 02:43:11,867 --> 02:43:12,800 on the day, he said it and the day that I’m sitting next to 5805 02:43:12,800 --> 02:43:14,000 day that I’m sitting next to Johnson when he said it and 5806 02:43:14,000 --> 02:43:15,800 Johnson when he said it and that really undermines things 5807 02:43:15,800 --> 02:43:17,966 that really undermines things um in terms of like would have 5808 02:43:17,966 --> 02:43:19,567 um in terms of like would have been better for it just to 5809 02:43:19,567 --> 02:43:20,800 been better for it just to emphasize the point, which I 5810 02:43:20,800 --> 02:43:22,767 emphasize the point, which I agree with you on uh if that 5811 02:43:22,767 --> 02:43:27,333 agree with you on uh if that would be. Based on public 5812 02:43:27,333 --> 02:43:27,899 would be. Based on public publicly available evidence as 5813 02:43:27,899 --> 02:43:29,500 publicly available evidence as it can indeed, I mean terms of 5814 02:43:29,500 --> 02:43:30,867 it can indeed, I mean terms of winter crisis, there’s no doubt 5815 02:43:30,867 --> 02:43:31,966 winter crisis, there’s no doubt at all. I mean I I’ll predict 5816 02:43:31,966 --> 02:43:33,100 at all. I mean I I’ll predict you what’s gonna happen right 5817 02:43:33,100 --> 02:43:35,267 you what’s gonna happen right now. We’re gonna be in uh as of 5818 02:43:35,267 --> 02:43:35,967 now. We’re gonna be in uh as of December we’re gonna be in 5819 02:43:35,967 --> 02:43:37,700 December we’re gonna be in three plus restrictions in most 5820 02:43:37,700 --> 02:43:39,434 three plus restrictions in most of the country on Christmas 5821 02:43:39,434 --> 02:43:39,967 of the country on Christmas Eve. We’re gonna be let out 5822 02:43:39,967 --> 02:43:40,999 Eve. We’re gonna be let out people are gonna see their 5823 02:43:40,999 --> 02:43:42,467 people are gonna see their family members without their 5824 02:43:42,467 --> 02:43:43,800 family members without their being sensible advice about 5825 02:43:43,800 --> 02:43:45,133 being sensible advice about being in the same room at the 5826 02:43:45,133 --> 02:43:46,400 being in the same room at the window. Open have grandma 5827 02:43:46,400 --> 02:43:47,834 window. Open have grandma sitting you know near the 5828 02:43:47,834 --> 02:43:49,366 sitting you know near the window rather than away from 5829 02:43:49,366 --> 02:43:50,933 window rather than away from it. Uh everyone wrap up warm 5830 02:43:50,933 --> 02:43:52,000 it. Uh everyone wrap up warm etcetera, a big told exactly 5831 02:43:52,000 --> 02:43:53,533 etcetera, a big told exactly what the. Individual measures 5832 02:43:53,533 --> 02:43:54,500 what the. Individual measures all that people can do baby. 5833 02:43:54,500 --> 02:43:55,733 all that people can do baby. don’t see lots of different 5834 02:43:55,733 --> 02:43:57,133 don’t see lots of different family members just stick to 5835 02:43:57,133 --> 02:43:58,634 family members just stick to one you know one smaller group 5836 02:43:58,634 --> 02:44:00,767 one you know one smaller group if you can um we’re gonna go 5837 02:44:00,767 --> 02:44:01,567 if you can um we’re gonna go into from the twenty-eight 5838 02:44:01,567 --> 02:44:03,767 into from the twenty-eight twenty-ninth of December 5839 02:44:03,767 --> 02:44:05,167 twenty-ninth of December another lock down. We’re gonna 5840 02:44:05,167 --> 02:44:06,733 another lock down. We’re gonna see Casey’s rise because we 5841 02:44:06,733 --> 02:44:09,233 see Casey’s rise because we know every single January 5842 02:44:09,233 --> 02:44:11,034 know every single January without exemption because it’s 5843 02:44:11,034 --> 02:44:13,067 without exemption because it’s winter, we see respiratory 5844 02:44:13,067 --> 02:44:14,334 winter, we see respiratory diseases rises and we know that 5845 02:44:14,334 --> 02:44:15,766 diseases rises and we know that there’s no flu. There’s no 5846 02:44:15,766 --> 02:44:17,533 there’s no flu. There’s no other other than coveted now 5847 02:44:17,533 --> 02:44:18,767 other other than coveted now cuz everyone gets a coveted 5848 02:44:18,767 --> 02:44:19,199 cuz everyone gets a coveted test and everyone test 5849 02:44:19,199 --> 02:44:20,967 test and everyone test positive. Um we’re gonna see 5850 02:44:20,967 --> 02:44:21,733 positive. Um we’re gonna see the cases rise and then they’re 5851 02:44:21,733 --> 02:44:22,933 the cases rise and then they’re gonna be told. If only the 5852 02:44:22,933 --> 02:44:24,234 gonna be told. If only the public hadn’t hadn’t been 5853 02:44:24,234 --> 02:44:25,533 public hadn’t hadn’t been naughty Christmas, we wouldn’t 5854 02:44:25,533 --> 02:44:26,767 naughty Christmas, we wouldn’t have to do it, but now you’re 5855 02:44:26,767 --> 02:44:27,234 have to do it, but now you’re gonna have to take your 5856 02:44:27,234 --> 02:44:28,399 gonna have to take your medicine quite literally terms 5857 02:44:28,399 --> 02:44:30,467 medicine quite literally terms of a lock down. It’s it’s 5858 02:44:30,467 --> 02:44:30,967 of a lock down. It’s it’s entirely predictable and we’re 5859 02:44:30,967 --> 02:44:32,533 entirely predictable and we’re gonna be in lockdown measures 5860 02:44:32,533 --> 02:44:35,533 gonna be in lockdown measures to and until the spring now 5861 02:44:35,533 --> 02:44:38,999 to and until the spring now aren’t we uh well uh are we 5862 02:44:38,999 --> 02:44:42,299 aren’t we uh well uh are we going to be subject to a 5863 02:44:42,299 --> 02:44:44,334 going to be subject to a requirement to restrict uh 5864 02:44:44,334 --> 02:44:46,634 requirement to restrict uh social contact until the spring 5865 02:44:46,634 --> 02:44:48,133 social contact until the spring at various levels in various 5866 02:44:48,133 --> 02:44:48,867 at various levels in various parts of the country. I agree 5867 02:44:48,867 --> 02:44:50,033 parts of the country. I agree with you, the answer that is 5868 02:44:50,033 --> 02:44:53,767 with you, the answer that is yes and the. And the reason for 5869 02:44:53,767 --> 02:44:56,334 yes and the. And the reason for that is as you slightly if I 5870 02:44:56,334 --> 02:44:58,766 that is as you slightly if I may say ten put it uh we’re 5871 02:44:58,766 --> 02:45:01,234 may say ten put it uh we’re we’re in winter, We are subject 5872 02:45:01,234 --> 02:45:03,933 we’re in winter, We are subject to uh uh a spread of other 5873 02:45:03,933 --> 02:45:05,533 to uh uh a spread of other infectious diseases and there 5874 02:45:05,533 --> 02:45:06,999 infectious diseases and there it is important. Uh I agree 5875 02:45:06,999 --> 02:45:08,133 it is important. Uh I agree with the authorities about 5876 02:45:08,133 --> 02:45:09,967 with the authorities about this, It is important uh to 5877 02:45:09,967 --> 02:45:12,299 this, It is important uh to take the steps necessary to the 5878 02:45:12,299 --> 02:45:13,833 take the steps necessary to the spread of the virus in order 5879 02:45:13,833 --> 02:45:15,967 spread of the virus in order not to overload the hospitals 5880 02:45:15,967 --> 02:45:17,567 not to overload the hospitals so the hospitals can deal with 5881 02:45:17,567 --> 02:45:19,933 so the hospitals can deal with the coveted cases that the 5882 02:45:19,933 --> 02:45:20,834 the coveted cases that the hospitals can also deal with 5883 02:45:20,834 --> 02:45:22,900 hospitals can also deal with the other cases. They wouldn’t 5884 02:45:22,900 --> 02:45:25,300 the other cases. They wouldn’t be able to deal with if we lost 5885 02:45:25,300 --> 02:45:27,133 be able to deal with if we lost control of Kobe again as we did 5886 02:45:27,133 --> 02:45:30,467 control of Kobe again as we did in March of this year, so I do 5887 02:45:30,467 --> 02:45:32,133 in March of this year, so I do think that controls are 5888 02:45:32,133 --> 02:45:34,434 think that controls are necessary in order to ensure 5889 02:45:34,434 --> 02:45:35,966 necessary in order to ensure that we don’t find that their 5890 02:45:35,966 --> 02:45:39,133 that we don’t find that their services is overwhelmed. uh by 5891 02:45:39,133 --> 02:45:42,267 services is overwhelmed. uh by the growth of the virus has 5892 02:45:42,267 --> 02:45:42,967 the growth of the virus has happened. It happened earlier 5893 02:45:42,967 --> 02:45:44,333 happened. It happened earlier this year in other parts of the 5894 02:45:44,333 --> 02:45:46,667 this year in other parts of the country of Europe came very 5895 02:45:46,667 --> 02:45:48,000 country of Europe came very close to happening in this 5896 02:45:48,000 --> 02:45:49,434 close to happening in this country and is starting to 5897 02:45:49,434 --> 02:45:50,800 country and is starting to happen in some parts of the 5898 02:45:50,800 --> 02:45:53,333 happen in some parts of the United States at the moment I. 5899 02:45:53,333 --> 02:45:54,766 United States at the moment I. Boys are all very bad example, 5900 02:45:54,766 --> 02:45:56,967 Boys are all very bad example, but because they don’t have the 5901 02:45:56,967 --> 02:45:57,733 but because they don’t have the same sort of universal health 5902 02:45:57,733 --> 02:45:59,901 same sort of universal health care that we see in pretty much 5903 02:45:59,901 --> 02:46:01,399 care that we see in pretty much that’s true, but they do have 5904 02:46:01,399 --> 02:46:03,766 that’s true, but they do have access to emergency rooms and 5905 02:46:03,766 --> 02:46:05,234 access to emergency rooms and when emergency rooms are full 5906 02:46:05,234 --> 02:46:06,833 when emergency rooms are full of coveted people, they’re not 5907 02:46:06,833 --> 02:46:07,834 of coveted people, they’re not dealing with other forms of I 5908 02:46:07,834 --> 02:46:09,299 dealing with other forms of I mean it has been something of a 5909 02:46:09,299 --> 02:46:10,634 mean it has been something of a disaster. Has it not uh Steven 5910 02:46:10,634 --> 02:46:11,900 disaster. Has it not uh Steven Dol. Thank you as always for 5911 02:46:11,900 --> 02:46:12,901 Dol. Thank you as always for joining us former health 5912 02:46:12,901 --> 02:46:13,500 joining us former health secretary very much appreciate 5913 02:46:13,500 --> 02:46:14,900 secretary very much appreciate that uh coming up. We’re gonna 5914 02:46:14,900 --> 02:46:17,299 that uh coming up. We’re gonna talk about a very very grim 5915 02:46:17,299 --> 02:46:18,834 talk about a very very grim anniversary uh today and that 5916 02:46:18,834 --> 02:46:21,367 anniversary uh today and that is uh new anniversary of the 5917 02:46:21,367 --> 02:46:23,967 is uh new anniversary of the trials of seventy. Years uh 5918 02:46:23,967 --> 02:46:24,599 trials of seventy. Years uh today, we’re gonna be talking 5919 02:46:24,599 --> 02:46:26,334 today, we’re gonna be talking about that. We’re also gonna be 5920 02:46:26,334 --> 02:46:27,766 about that. We’re also gonna be talking about that winter 5921 02:46:27,766 --> 02:46:28,733 talking about that winter bailout for struggling at 5922 02:46:28,733 --> 02:46:30,733 bailout for struggling at sports uh and also are we gonna 5923 02:46:30,733 --> 02:46:32,000 sports uh and also are we gonna get a Brexit deal next week or 5924 02:46:32,000 --> 02:46:33,334 get a Brexit deal next week or not That’s all coming up here 5925 02:46:33,334 --> 02:46:35,034 not That’s all coming up here on talk Radio. You are 5926 02:46:35,034 --> 02:46:35,867 on talk Radio. 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Three divers roots 6036 02:49:55,466 --> 02:49:57,299 junction. Three divers roots are looking. Slightly better 6037 02:49:57,299 --> 02:49:59,299 are looking. Slightly better news on the m 25 in Kent, all 6038 02:49:59,299 --> 02:50:01,899 news on the m 25 in Kent, all of the lanes reopen between the 6039 02:50:01,899 --> 02:50:04,434 of the lanes reopen between the two junction two round two 6040 02:50:04,434 --> 02:50:05,767 two junction two round two junction one be although it has 6041 02:50:05,767 --> 02:50:08,300 junction one be although it has still left some cues along from 6042 02:50:08,300 --> 02:50:09,899 still left some cues along from junction three the swung the 6043 02:50:09,899 --> 02:50:12,300 junction three the swung the interchange going towards the 6044 02:50:12,300 --> 02:50:13,600 interchange going towards the tunnel. That’s the latest. I’m 6045 02:50:13,600 --> 02:50:16,333 tunnel. That’s the latest. I’m Gary Scott, the first time my 6046 02:50:16,333 --> 02:50:17,034 Gary Scott, the first time my housemates see it. They’re 6047 02:50:17,034 --> 02:50:20,833 housemates see it. They’re like. We all get in seat belts 6048 02:50:20,833 --> 02:50:23,966 like. We all get in seat belts on flick that switch to turn on 6049 02:50:23,966 --> 02:50:28,799 on flick that switch to turn on the motor and we’re off, I say 6050 02:50:28,799 --> 02:50:31,966 the motor and we’re off, I say connect me and the base goes to 6051 02:50:31,966 --> 02:50:35,034 connect me and the base goes to and everyone’s loving it when 6052 02:50:35,034 --> 02:50:36,000 and everyone’s loving it when we hit the road back home from 6053 02:50:36,000 --> 02:50:39,034 we hit the road back home from another mini electric journey. 6054 02:50:39,034 --> 02:50:42,434 another mini electric journey. We’re like. Search many 6055 02:50:42,434 --> 02:50:44,799 We’re like. Search many electric and don’t just drive 6056 02:50:44,799 --> 02:50:47,966 electric and don’t just drive it feel it Julia Hartley at 6057 02:50:47,966 --> 02:50:51,034 it feel it Julia Hartley at breakfast on tour Radio Good 6058 02:50:51,034 --> 02:50:53,100 breakfast on tour Radio Good morning to the breakfast for 6059 02:50:53,100 --> 02:50:54,334 morning to the breakfast for me. Julia Thank you very much 6060 02:50:54,334 --> 02:50:55,899 me. Julia Thank you very much indeed for your company so much 6061 02:50:55,899 --> 02:50:57,533 indeed for your company so much more to talk about in the next 6062 02:50:57,533 --> 02:50:59,034 more to talk about in the next 40 minutes or so before we head 6063 02:50:59,034 --> 02:51:00,800 40 minutes or so before we head over to Mike Graham at 10 6064 02:51:00,800 --> 02:51:02,367 over to Mike Graham at 10 o’clock uh right now, let’s 6065 02:51:02,367 --> 02:51:04,967 o’clock uh right now, let’s talk about well really grim uh 6066 02:51:04,967 --> 02:51:06,634 talk about well really grim uh anniversary What takes takes us 6067 02:51:06,634 --> 02:51:08,766 anniversary What takes takes us back to well some horrific 6068 02:51:08,766 --> 02:51:10,267 back to well some horrific revelations that came out but 6069 02:51:10,267 --> 02:51:14,301 revelations that came out but 75 years ago today we saw. 6070 02:51:14,301 --> 02:51:16,800 75 years ago today we saw. Start of the new trials uh the 6071 02:51:16,800 --> 02:51:18,799 Start of the new trials uh the dock of courtroom at 600 of the 6072 02:51:18,799 --> 02:51:20,966 dock of courtroom at 600 of the Palace of Justice was packed 6073 02:51:20,966 --> 02:51:22,301 Palace of Justice was packed with some of the most terrific 6074 02:51:22,301 --> 02:51:23,100 with some of the most terrific figures of the twentieth 6075 02:51:23,100 --> 02:51:24,833 figures of the twentieth century have been Rudolph has 6076 02:51:24,833 --> 02:51:27,766 century have been Rudolph has uh ribbon and eighteen other 6077 02:51:27,766 --> 02:51:29,599 uh ribbon and eighteen other high-ranking Nazis are facing 6078 02:51:29,599 --> 02:51:31,799 high-ranking Nazis are facing charges of being war criminals, 6079 02:51:31,799 --> 02:51:34,300 charges of being war criminals, but what can we learn today? uh 6080 02:51:34,300 --> 02:51:35,767 but what can we learn today? uh about uh what happened at 75 6081 02:51:35,767 --> 02:51:37,366 about uh what happened at 75 years ago? Olivia Marks is 6082 02:51:37,366 --> 02:51:38,767 years ago? Olivia Marks is chief executive of the 6083 02:51:38,767 --> 02:51:40,000 chief executive of the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust 6084 02:51:40,000 --> 02:51:42,933 Holocaust Memorial Day Trust Good morning to you morning um 6085 02:51:42,933 --> 02:51:45,533 Good morning to you morning um It is extraordinary that we we 6086 02:51:45,533 --> 02:51:46,900 It is extraordinary that we we discuss so about the Holocaust 6087 02:51:46,900 --> 02:51:49,266 discuss so about the Holocaust about antisemitism stuff in the 6088 02:51:49,266 --> 02:51:50,467 about antisemitism stuff in the twenty-first century. I think 6089 02:51:50,467 --> 02:51:52,400 twenty-first century. I think most of us had thought and had 6090 02:51:52,400 --> 02:51:54,267 most of us had thought and had hoped that was something that 6091 02:51:54,267 --> 02:51:56,133 hoped that was something that was put behind us because I 6092 02:51:56,133 --> 02:51:58,267 was put behind us because I mean we could learn learn from 6093 02:51:58,267 --> 02:51:59,800 mean we could learn learn from about in the history books as 6094 02:51:59,800 --> 02:52:00,467 about in the history books as opposed to in our daily 6095 02:52:00,467 --> 02:52:02,467 opposed to in our daily newspapers as we’ve had uh 6096 02:52:02,467 --> 02:52:03,800 newspapers as we’ve had uh under the Jeremy Corbin Era of 6097 02:52:03,800 --> 02:52:04,434 under the Jeremy Corbin Era of the Labor Party and ongoing 6098 02:52:04,434 --> 02:52:07,733 the Labor Party and ongoing stories today, but um what do 6099 02:52:07,733 --> 02:52:10,166 stories today, but um what do you most want people to learn 6100 02:52:10,166 --> 02:52:12,334 you most want people to learn from what happened? uh and What 6101 02:52:12,334 --> 02:52:13,700 from what happened? uh and What we can learn on an anniversary 6102 02:52:13,700 --> 02:52:15,767 we can learn on an anniversary like today of the new trials, 6103 02:52:15,767 --> 02:52:17,333 like today of the new trials, I’d say there are two things in 6104 02:52:17,333 --> 02:52:18,767 I’d say there are two things in particular we can learn from 6105 02:52:18,767 --> 02:52:20,133 particular we can learn from this very significant 6106 02:52:20,133 --> 02:52:22,933 this very significant anniversary firstly that the 6107 02:52:22,933 --> 02:52:25,900 anniversary firstly that the trials shine light on not only 6108 02:52:25,900 --> 02:52:27,800 trials shine light on not only what happened during the 6109 02:52:27,800 --> 02:52:29,200 what happened during the Holocaust, but also the 6110 02:52:29,200 --> 02:52:30,901 Holocaust, but also the processes that led to it. one 6111 02:52:30,901 --> 02:52:33,299 processes that led to it. one of the men who one of the 6112 02:52:33,299 --> 02:52:34,000 of the men who one of the perpetrators who was prosecuted 6113 02:52:34,000 --> 02:52:37,301 perpetrators who was prosecuted at the trials, was Julius Ser 6114 02:52:37,301 --> 02:52:39,900 at the trials, was Julius Ser the editor of a newspaper, 6115 02:52:39,900 --> 02:52:41,300 the editor of a newspaper, which was one of the main 6116 02:52:41,300 --> 02:52:42,967 which was one of the main propaganda machines used by 6117 02:52:42,967 --> 02:52:45,034 propaganda machines used by Hitler and the Nazi party that 6118 02:52:45,034 --> 02:52:47,766 Hitler and the Nazi party that uh function. Propaganda was 6119 02:52:47,766 --> 02:52:50,533 uh function. Propaganda was absolutely instrumental in uh 6120 02:52:50,533 --> 02:52:52,133 absolutely instrumental in uh encouraging the general 6121 02:52:52,133 --> 02:52:54,500 encouraging the general population to view the Jews as 6122 02:52:54,500 --> 02:52:58,133 population to view the Jews as a threat uh and uh that aspect 6123 02:52:58,133 --> 02:53:00,767 a threat uh and uh that aspect of propaganda dehumanization 6124 02:53:00,767 --> 02:53:02,334 of propaganda dehumanization was one of those essential 6125 02:53:02,334 --> 02:53:03,634 was one of those essential processes that led to the 6126 02:53:03,634 --> 02:53:06,267 processes that led to the Holocaust the second 6127 02:53:06,267 --> 02:53:08,000 Holocaust the second significance of the trials for 6128 02:53:08,000 --> 02:53:11,399 significance of the trials for today is that it initiated and 6129 02:53:11,399 --> 02:53:13,933 today is that it initiated and established a framework legal 6130 02:53:13,933 --> 02:53:15,299 established a framework legal framework. it developed that 6131 02:53:15,299 --> 02:53:17,034 framework. it developed that the language of genocide coins 6132 02:53:17,034 --> 02:53:19,233 the language of genocide coins that. Term and we now have that 6133 02:53:19,233 --> 02:53:21,766 that. Term and we now have that legal framework that is 6134 02:53:21,766 --> 02:53:24,334 legal framework that is prosecuted internationally 6135 02:53:24,334 --> 02:53:25,766 prosecuted internationally crimes crimes of genocide in 6136 02:53:25,766 --> 02:53:27,301 crimes crimes of genocide in subsequent situations in 6137 02:53:27,301 --> 02:53:29,800 subsequent situations in Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia and 6138 02:53:29,800 --> 02:53:31,366 Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia and these are two very very 6139 02:53:31,366 --> 02:53:33,400 these are two very very important lessons for us to 6140 02:53:33,400 --> 02:53:35,267 important lessons for us to think about today well, indeed 6141 02:53:35,267 --> 02:53:36,467 think about today well, indeed and again, as I said we we kind 6142 02:53:36,467 --> 02:53:37,800 and again, as I said we we kind of like to think well never 6143 02:53:37,800 --> 02:53:39,299 of like to think well never again and people will uh have 6144 02:53:39,299 --> 02:53:40,300 again and people will uh have said that so many times and 6145 02:53:40,300 --> 02:53:41,800 said that so many times and then when you see Rwanda and 6146 02:53:41,800 --> 02:53:43,567 then when you see Rwanda and Cambodia and everywhere else, I 6147 02:53:43,567 --> 02:53:45,500 Cambodia and everywhere else, I mean you know we you the so 6148 02:53:45,500 --> 02:53:47,034 mean you know we you the so we’re gonna take from you. We 6149 02:53:47,034 --> 02:53:47,767 we’re gonna take from you. We were talking about it. Uh you 6150 02:53:47,767 --> 02:53:49,199 were talking about it. Uh you know, I said you might you know 6151 02:53:49,199 --> 02:53:51,267 know, I said you might you know my lifetime we’ve seen never. 6152 02:53:51,267 --> 02:53:52,900 my lifetime we’ve seen never. Again doesn’t seem to work um 6153 02:53:52,900 --> 02:53:54,967 Again doesn’t seem to work um and there is that real concern, 6154 02:53:54,967 --> 02:53:56,333 and there is that real concern, particularly among the Jewish 6155 02:53:56,333 --> 02:53:58,133 particularly among the Jewish community in in Britain and 6156 02:53:58,133 --> 02:53:59,234 community in in Britain and there has been the last few 6157 02:53:59,234 --> 02:54:00,500 there has been the last few years with Jeremy Corbin’s 6158 02:54:00,500 --> 02:54:01,100 years with Jeremy Corbin’s leadership of the Labor Party, 6159 02:54:01,100 --> 02:54:02,967 leadership of the Labor Party, which we kinda thought this 6160 02:54:02,967 --> 02:54:04,901 which we kinda thought this sort of behind us as of uh his 6161 02:54:04,901 --> 02:54:07,067 sort of behind us as of uh his departure are over, but all of 6162 02:54:07,067 --> 02:54:07,700 departure are over, but all of this being kicked up again by 6163 02:54:07,700 --> 02:54:08,900 this being kicked up again by the Equality Human Rights 6164 02:54:08,900 --> 02:54:10,933 the Equality Human Rights Commission report and the 6165 02:54:10,933 --> 02:54:12,267 Commission report and the failures of take proper action 6166 02:54:12,267 --> 02:54:13,766 failures of take proper action on that within the party. um it 6167 02:54:13,766 --> 02:54:16,334 on that within the party. um it is it is so far anyway. Jeremy 6168 02:54:16,334 --> 02:54:17,300 is it is so far anyway. Jeremy Corbin is the idea that this 6169 02:54:17,300 --> 02:54:18,533 Corbin is the idea that this could happen again because 6170 02:54:18,533 --> 02:54:19,200 could happen again because people say well, this is 6171 02:54:19,200 --> 02:54:19,799 people say well, this is something the path. This is 6172 02:54:19,799 --> 02:54:22,300 something the path. This is something that. At a different 6173 02:54:22,300 --> 02:54:23,599 something that. At a different time different people of 6174 02:54:23,599 --> 02:54:24,766 time different people of course, we changed you. We’re 6175 02:54:24,766 --> 02:54:26,301 course, we changed you. We’re anti racist now. Of course, 6176 02:54:26,301 --> 02:54:28,533 anti racist now. Of course, people don’t view Jewish people 6177 02:54:28,533 --> 02:54:30,300 people don’t view Jewish people as being different or the awful 6178 02:54:30,300 --> 02:54:33,867 as being different or the awful face with sub human, but that 6179 02:54:33,867 --> 02:54:36,334 face with sub human, but that happened in living memory and 6180 02:54:36,334 --> 02:54:38,334 happened in living memory and we’ve seen we’ve seen the 6181 02:54:38,334 --> 02:54:40,301 we’ve seen we’ve seen the beginnings of it happening 6182 02:54:40,301 --> 02:54:41,800 beginnings of it happening again in recent years of the 6183 02:54:41,800 --> 02:54:44,267 again in recent years of the UK, we’ve seen these attacks on 6184 02:54:44,267 --> 02:54:45,234 UK, we’ve seen these attacks on synagogues. uh we’ve seen uh 6185 02:54:45,234 --> 02:54:47,200 synagogues. uh we’ve seen uh you know uh the the 6186 02:54:47,200 --> 02:54:48,933 you know uh the the antisemitism rising um how uh 6187 02:54:48,933 --> 02:54:51,667 antisemitism rising um how uh how worried. That that this 6188 02:54:51,667 --> 02:54:52,734 how worried. That that this isn’t that what happened, but 6189 02:54:52,734 --> 02:54:54,133 isn’t that what happened, but not some isn’t something that 6190 02:54:54,133 --> 02:54:55,933 not some isn’t something that just from our now distant past 6191 02:54:55,933 --> 02:54:56,900 just from our now distant past that it is actually something 6192 02:54:56,900 --> 02:55:00,800 that it is actually something that we need to constantly be 6193 02:55:00,800 --> 02:55:03,267 that we need to constantly be aware of as a risk we we be 6194 02:55:03,267 --> 02:55:05,900 aware of as a risk we we be always vigilant. uh a caring 6195 02:55:05,900 --> 02:55:07,800 always vigilant. uh a caring empathetic society that 6196 02:55:07,800 --> 02:55:08,867 empathetic society that protects the rule of law and 6197 02:55:08,867 --> 02:55:11,234 protects the rule of law and and God’s human dignity does 6198 02:55:11,234 --> 02:55:13,034 and God’s human dignity does not happen by itself. it has to 6199 02:55:13,034 --> 02:55:15,334 not happen by itself. it has to be actively worked for even in 6200 02:55:15,334 --> 02:55:17,000 be actively worked for even in January this year this year, 6201 02:55:17,000 --> 02:55:19,367 January this year this year, January 20, We saw an 6202 02:55:19,367 --> 02:55:20,166 January 20, We saw an indictment internationally 6203 02:55:20,166 --> 02:55:22,133 indictment internationally against Myanmar. For that 6204 02:55:22,133 --> 02:55:24,267 against Myanmar. For that persecution of Rohingya 6205 02:55:24,267 --> 02:55:25,299 persecution of Rohingya Muslims, where they were told 6206 02:55:25,299 --> 02:55:28,267 Muslims, where they were told to cease genocidal acts in the 6207 02:55:28,267 --> 02:55:29,634 to cease genocidal acts in the last few months, we’ve seen 6208 02:55:29,634 --> 02:55:31,434 last few months, we’ve seen increasing evidence of of 6209 02:55:31,434 --> 02:55:33,667 increasing evidence of of persecution of we Muslims in 6210 02:55:33,667 --> 02:55:35,233 persecution of we Muslims in China. so we know that their 6211 02:55:35,233 --> 02:55:37,434 China. so we know that their activities going on atrocities 6212 02:55:37,434 --> 02:55:39,299 activities going on atrocities happening in places across the 6213 02:55:39,299 --> 02:55:41,467 happening in places across the world, and as you’ve said in 6214 02:55:41,467 --> 02:55:43,567 world, and as you’ve said in the UK, we know that prejudice 6215 02:55:43,567 --> 02:55:45,333 the UK, we know that prejudice and hostility based on 6216 02:55:45,333 --> 02:55:45,900 and hostility based on someone’s identity on their 6217 02:55:45,900 --> 02:55:48,634 someone’s identity on their faith on the community, they 6218 02:55:48,634 --> 02:55:50,500 faith on the community, they belong to still takes place 6219 02:55:50,500 --> 02:55:52,933 belong to still takes place whether Antisemitism on the far 6220 02:55:52,933 --> 02:55:54,000 whether Antisemitism on the far left or the far right, whether 6221 02:55:54,000 --> 02:55:56,267 left or the far right, whether it’s anti-Muslim hatred 6222 02:55:56,267 --> 02:55:57,234 it’s anti-Muslim hatred homophobia prejudice against 6223 02:55:57,234 --> 02:55:58,999 homophobia prejudice against disabled people just because 6224 02:55:58,999 --> 02:56:00,999 disabled people just because they’re disabled. we have to 6225 02:56:00,999 --> 02:56:02,834 they’re disabled. we have to guard against that kind of 6226 02:56:02,834 --> 02:56:05,767 guard against that kind of human uh based human instinct. 6227 02:56:05,767 --> 02:56:07,567 human uh based human instinct. The Holocaust was described as 6228 02:56:07,567 --> 02:56:10,800 The Holocaust was described as a threat to civilization 6229 02:56:10,800 --> 02:56:12,301 a threat to civilization civilization must be guarded 6230 02:56:12,301 --> 02:56:14,234 civilization must be guarded and protected uh in a very 6231 02:56:14,234 --> 02:56:17,267 and protected uh in a very active way and at the at the 6232 02:56:17,267 --> 02:56:17,834 active way and at the at the Holocaust Memorial Day this 6233 02:56:17,834 --> 02:56:19,333 Holocaust Memorial Day this year for Holocaust Memorial Day 6234 02:56:19,333 --> 02:56:20,800 year for Holocaust Memorial Day as we’ve come up to January 6235 02:56:20,800 --> 02:56:23,399 as we’ve come up to January 2021, our theme is be the light 6236 02:56:23,399 --> 02:56:24,634 2021, our theme is be the light in the darkness and we’re 6237 02:56:24,634 --> 02:56:27,299 in the darkness and we’re encouraging everyone. To take 6238 02:56:27,299 --> 02:56:28,867 encouraging everyone. To take that active approach to 6239 02:56:28,867 --> 02:56:30,666 that active approach to conserving human dignity and 6240 02:56:30,666 --> 02:56:31,533 conserving human dignity and human relationships as if 6241 02:56:31,533 --> 02:56:32,767 human relationships as if you’re amongst really 6242 02:56:32,767 --> 02:56:33,866 you’re amongst really appreciate joining us, very 6243 02:56:33,866 --> 02:56:34,634 appreciate joining us, very powerful words there. Thank you 6244 02:56:34,634 --> 02:56:37,966 powerful words there. Thank you very much indeed, um let’s move 6245 02:56:37,966 --> 02:56:39,367 very much indeed, um let’s move on to something completely 6246 02:56:39,367 --> 02:56:39,967 on to something completely different. now yesterday, we 6247 02:56:39,967 --> 02:56:41,800 different. now yesterday, we had the announcement of a 6248 02:56:41,800 --> 02:56:43,633 had the announcement of a 300000000 pound winter bailout 6249 02:56:43,633 --> 02:56:44,767 300000000 pound winter bailout for struggling sports announced 6250 02:56:44,767 --> 02:56:46,334 for struggling sports announced by the culture Secretary uh 6251 02:56:46,334 --> 02:56:47,767 by the culture Secretary uh Oliver Dow and Eleven Spectator 6252 02:56:47,767 --> 02:56:48,933 Oliver Dow and Eleven Spectator sports benefiting from his 6253 02:56:48,933 --> 02:56:50,599 sports benefiting from his emergency funds majority of the 6254 02:56:50,599 --> 02:56:51,933 emergency funds majority of the money coming in the form of 6255 02:56:51,933 --> 02:56:54,333 money coming in the form of loans, a lot of it going to uh 6256 02:56:54,333 --> 02:56:56,766 loans, a lot of it going to uh rugby a women. Not men’s 6257 02:56:56,766 --> 02:56:59,300 rugby a women. Not men’s football uh net and others, but 6258 02:56:59,300 --> 02:57:00,000 football uh net and others, but uh how’s that money gonna be 6259 02:57:00,000 --> 02:57:01,300 uh how’s that money gonna be shared out and have the right 6260 02:57:01,300 --> 02:57:03,067 shared out and have the right sports uh got the money they 6261 02:57:03,067 --> 02:57:04,000 sports uh got the money they need. Z is chief Sports 6262 02:57:04,000 --> 02:57:05,267 need. Z is chief Sports reporter over the time the 6263 02:57:05,267 --> 02:57:06,299 reporter over the time the Sunday Times. She joins us now 6264 02:57:06,299 --> 02:57:08,099 Sunday Times. She joins us now good morning to you Good 6265 02:57:08,099 --> 02:57:09,299 good morning to you Good morning has already been 6266 02:57:09,299 --> 02:57:10,334 morning has already been around. It’s almost like 6267 02:57:10,334 --> 02:57:11,467 around. It’s almost like whenever any money is handed 6268 02:57:11,467 --> 02:57:12,300 whenever any money is handed out. There’s always a route. 6269 02:57:12,300 --> 02:57:14,301 out. There’s always a route. It’s gone to the posh sports as 6270 02:57:14,301 --> 02:57:16,300 It’s gone to the posh sports as the grassroots sports is that 6271 02:57:16,300 --> 02:57:19,800 the grassroots sports is that right well, I mean looking at 6272 02:57:19,800 --> 02:57:21,066 right well, I mean looking at it on on the Facebook that is 6273 02:57:21,066 --> 02:57:23,334 it on on the Facebook that is correct. so I mean rugby union 6274 02:57:23,334 --> 02:57:24,900 correct. so I mean rugby union has got more than all the other 6275 02:57:24,900 --> 02:57:25,867 has got more than all the other sports put together. they’ve 6276 02:57:25,867 --> 02:57:28,999 sports put together. they’ve got 135 Elliot. Um and then 6277 02:57:28,999 --> 02:57:31,634 got 135 Elliot. Um and then horse racing is the next 6278 02:57:31,634 --> 02:57:35,334 horse racing is the next biggest was 40000000 so um when 6279 02:57:35,334 --> 02:57:38,267 biggest was 40000000 so um when it was out of a total of 6280 02:57:38,267 --> 02:57:39,434 it was out of a total of 241000000 because the rest is 6281 02:57:39,434 --> 02:57:41,200 241000000 because the rest is contingency something that’s a 6282 02:57:41,200 --> 02:57:43,267 contingency something that’s a lot of money going to as what 6283 02:57:43,267 --> 02:57:45,367 lot of money going to as what as you described as the sports 6284 02:57:45,367 --> 02:57:47,901 as you described as the sports now, the government have been 6285 02:57:47,901 --> 02:57:49,334 now, the government have been insistent that football must 6286 02:57:49,334 --> 02:57:51,933 insistent that football must pay for itself um because the 6287 02:57:51,933 --> 02:57:53,299 pay for itself um because the Premier League is so much money 6288 02:57:53,299 --> 02:57:55,533 Premier League is so much money so that’s the reason for for 6289 02:57:55,533 --> 02:57:57,199 so that’s the reason for for the the slight discrepancy, but 6290 02:57:57,199 --> 02:57:58,533 the the slight discrepancy, but isn’t it Also The main reason 6291 02:57:58,533 --> 02:57:59,800 isn’t it Also The main reason is that we’re talking about 6292 02:57:59,800 --> 02:58:00,833 is that we’re talking about sports, which just don’t have 6293 02:58:00,833 --> 02:58:02,800 sports, which just don’t have as much big money in them. uh 6294 02:58:02,800 --> 02:58:06,367 as much big money in them. uh as. Football does uh women’s 6295 02:58:06,367 --> 02:58:07,867 as. Football does uh women’s football is covered but not 6296 02:58:07,867 --> 02:58:09,434 football is covered but not men’s, but also like thing is 6297 02:58:09,434 --> 02:58:10,500 men’s, but also like thing is this is the winter bailout. 6298 02:58:10,500 --> 02:58:11,500 this is the winter bailout. There’s going to be more money 6299 02:58:11,500 --> 02:58:14,300 There’s going to be more money to come for the summer Sports. 6300 02:58:14,300 --> 02:58:16,766 to come for the summer Sports. Yes, so this doesn’t include 6301 02:58:16,766 --> 02:58:18,299 Yes, so this doesn’t include cricket, which is obviously a 6302 02:58:18,299 --> 02:58:21,299 cricket, which is obviously a uh a big another big sport. um 6303 02:58:21,299 --> 02:58:25,167 uh a big another big sport. um so I think it’s um the trouble 6304 02:58:25,167 --> 02:58:26,467 so I think it’s um the trouble with what the union is it gets 6305 02:58:26,467 --> 02:58:28,999 with what the union is it gets just about 85% of his income 6306 02:58:28,999 --> 02:58:30,700 just about 85% of his income from people buying tickets or 6307 02:58:30,700 --> 02:58:31,966 from people buying tickets or tweaking them, and that’s not 6308 02:58:31,966 --> 02:58:33,766 tweaking them, and that’s not obviously not happened because 6309 02:58:33,766 --> 02:58:35,800 obviously not happened because there’s been a of courses 6310 02:58:35,800 --> 02:58:37,834 there’s been a of courses football has TV right so that 6311 02:58:37,834 --> 02:58:39,766 football has TV right so that that protects it and that’s. 6312 02:58:39,766 --> 02:58:41,267 that protects it and that’s. The government says it’s able 6313 02:58:41,267 --> 02:58:43,800 The government says it’s able to look after itself. yeah some 6314 02:58:43,800 --> 02:58:45,100 to look after itself. yeah some different rules for different 6315 02:58:45,100 --> 02:58:46,300 different rules for different sports that I mean, is this 6316 02:58:46,300 --> 02:58:47,733 sports that I mean, is this sort of money. It sounds like a 6317 02:58:47,733 --> 02:58:49,167 sort of money. It sounds like a big sum of money, but you’re 6318 02:58:49,167 --> 02:58:50,334 big sum of money, but you’re talking about an awful lot of 6319 02:58:50,334 --> 02:58:51,967 talking about an awful lot of sports clubs and awful lot of 6320 02:58:51,967 --> 02:58:53,599 sports clubs and awful lot of debt that have gone into a lot 6321 02:58:53,599 --> 02:58:54,700 debt that have gone into a lot of these clubs. You know you’re 6322 02:58:54,700 --> 02:58:55,967 of these clubs. You know you’re just scraping by as it is 6323 02:58:55,967 --> 02:58:58,500 just scraping by as it is especially the grassroots is 6324 02:58:58,500 --> 02:59:00,800 especially the grassroots is this gonna be enough Well, I 6325 02:59:00,800 --> 02:59:01,434 this gonna be enough Well, I think that certainly 6326 02:59:01,434 --> 02:59:02,500 think that certainly Premiership must be said that 6327 02:59:02,500 --> 02:59:03,899 Premiership must be said that it’s what they were hoping for 6328 02:59:03,899 --> 02:59:05,500 it’s what they were hoping for and that the rugby football 6329 02:59:05,500 --> 02:59:08,000 and that the rugby football union to you’re right. There’s 6330 02:59:08,000 --> 02:59:09,434 union to you’re right. There’s a lot of these sort of 6331 02:59:09,434 --> 02:59:11,400 a lot of these sort of community rugby clubs. They 6332 02:59:11,400 --> 02:59:13,034 community rugby clubs. They rely on people you know coming 6333 02:59:13,034 --> 02:59:15,400 rely on people you know coming to use that bar paying uh ten 6334 02:59:15,400 --> 02:59:16,867 to use that bar paying uh ten pounds or to watch them back so 6335 02:59:16,867 --> 02:59:18,000 pounds or to watch them back so they get you know one or 200 6336 02:59:18,000 --> 02:59:20,334 they get you know one or 200 people coming in. they’ve been 6337 02:59:20,334 --> 02:59:22,800 people coming in. they’ve been really badly affected um so 6338 02:59:22,800 --> 02:59:25,167 really badly affected um so it’s that’s the level I think 6339 02:59:25,167 --> 02:59:27,267 it’s that’s the level I think there will be union is hoping 6340 02:59:27,267 --> 02:59:28,366 there will be union is hoping to now be protected. Yeah. 6341 02:59:28,366 --> 02:59:31,034 to now be protected. Yeah. Well, we sure hope and see 6342 02:59:31,034 --> 02:59:31,767 Well, we sure hope and see because again you know people 6343 02:59:31,767 --> 02:59:32,800 because again you know people are struggling. There’s no loss 6344 02:59:32,800 --> 02:59:35,467 are struggling. There’s no loss of our lives in terms of 6345 02:59:35,467 --> 02:59:36,000 of our lives in terms of entertainment and sports and 6346 02:59:36,000 --> 02:59:37,900 entertainment and sports and the light that we want to be 6347 02:59:37,900 --> 02:59:39,399 the light that we want to be there again. uh when we come 6348 02:59:39,399 --> 02:59:40,867 there again. uh when we come out of this horrible fog uh 6349 02:59:40,867 --> 02:59:42,300 out of this horrible fog uh Martin Chief Sports reporter 6350 02:59:42,300 --> 02:59:43,300 Martin Chief Sports reporter for the time Thanks for joining 6351 02:59:43,300 --> 02:59:44,334 for the time Thanks for joining us, it’s coming up to 932. 6352 02:59:44,334 --> 02:59:45,399 us, it’s coming up to 932. Don’t forget you can watch the 6353 02:59:45,399 --> 02:59:47,334 Don’t forget you can watch the show live we are streaming on. 6354 02:59:47,334 --> 02:59:48,533 show live we are streaming on. YouTube Twitch and Facebook my 6355 02:59:48,533 --> 02:59:49,767 YouTube Twitch and Facebook my here in less than half an hour, 6356 02:59:49,767 --> 02:59:51,000 here in less than half an hour, tell us what’s happening on his 6357 02:59:51,000 --> 02:59:52,399 tell us what’s happening on his show. uh right now, let’s get 6358 02:59:52,399 --> 02:59:53,834 show. uh right now, let’s get the latest news headlines with 6359 02:59:53,834 --> 02:59:56,967 the latest news headlines with Roswell to radio half hour 6360 02:59:56,967 --> 02:59:59,234 Roswell to radio half hour headlines, it’s reported an 6361 02:59:59,234 --> 03:00:00,333 headlines, it’s reported an investigation into claims of 6362 03:00:00,333 --> 03:00:01,966 investigation into claims of bullying by home secretary 6363 03:00:01,966 --> 03:00:03,466 bullying by home secretary Pretty Patel as she broke the 6364 03:00:03,466 --> 03:00:04,799 Pretty Patel as she broke the ministerial code A cabinets 6365 03:00:04,799 --> 03:00:05,966 ministerial code A cabinets office investigation was 6366 03:00:05,966 --> 03:00:07,366 office investigation was launched earlier this year of 6367 03:00:07,366 --> 03:00:08,600 launched earlier this year of allegations that Miss Patel 6368 03:00:08,600 --> 03:00:09,200 allegations that Miss Patel belittled colleagues and 6369 03:00:09,200 --> 03:00:11,034 belittled colleagues and clashed with senior officials 6370 03:00:11,034 --> 03:00:12,767 clashed with senior officials claim she’s always denied tell 6371 03:00:12,767 --> 03:00:14,000 claim she’s always denied tell Matt Hancock says the home 6372 03:00:14,000 --> 03:00:15,034 Matt Hancock says the home secretary is focused on her 6373 03:00:15,034 --> 03:00:16,534 secretary is focused on her work and in his opinion. Doing 6374 03:00:16,534 --> 03:00:18,367 work and in his opinion. Doing a great job, The truth is that 6375 03:00:18,367 --> 03:00:20,233 a great job, The truth is that she’s also absolutely 6376 03:00:20,233 --> 03:00:21,899 she’s also absolutely determined to deliver on the 6377 03:00:21,899 --> 03:00:22,699 determined to deliver on the priorities on which we were 6378 03:00:22,699 --> 03:00:26,000 priorities on which we were elected like uh hiring 20000 6379 03:00:26,000 --> 03:00:28,600 elected like uh hiring 20000 more police to keep people safe 6380 03:00:28,600 --> 03:00:30,400 more police to keep people safe and uh that’s been she’s been 6381 03:00:30,400 --> 03:00:32,367 and uh that’s been she’s been delivering on that we’ve 6382 03:00:32,367 --> 03:00:35,433 delivering on that we’ve already had over 5000 so um the 6383 03:00:35,433 --> 03:00:37,966 already had over 5000 so um the uh you know, II think that uh 6384 03:00:37,966 --> 03:00:39,466 uh you know, II think that uh is doing an excellent job 6385 03:00:39,466 --> 03:00:40,699 is doing an excellent job Millions of public sector 6386 03:00:40,699 --> 03:00:41,966 Millions of public sector workers are facing a pay freeze 6387 03:00:41,966 --> 03:00:42,600 workers are facing a pay freeze for a year is the chance 6388 03:00:42,600 --> 03:00:44,099 for a year is the chance attempts to tackle a huge 6389 03:00:44,099 --> 03:00:45,466 attempts to tackle a huge financial hits caused by Corona 6390 03:00:45,466 --> 03:00:47,466 financial hits caused by Corona virus. Teachers and civil 6391 03:00:47,466 --> 03:00:48,099 virus. Teachers and civil servants will be affected, 6392 03:00:48,099 --> 03:00:49,034 servants will be affected, although it’s not for those 6393 03:00:49,034 --> 03:00:51,433 although it’s not for those working on the NS Front-line 6394 03:00:51,433 --> 03:00:52,099 working on the NS Front-line covet nineteen meanwhile, has 6395 03:00:52,099 --> 03:00:54,000 covet nineteen meanwhile, has had a disproportionate impact 6396 03:00:54,000 --> 03:00:55,466 had a disproportionate impact on women, according to a new 6397 03:00:55,466 --> 03:00:56,799 on women, according to a new report published on equal Pay 6398 03:00:56,799 --> 03:00:58,400 report published on equal Pay for society found that nearly 6399 03:00:58,400 --> 03:01:00,000 for society found that nearly half of working women worried 6400 03:01:00,000 --> 03:01:01,034 half of working women worried about job promotion and one in 6401 03:01:01,034 --> 03:01:02,367 about job promotion and one in three working mothers have lost 6402 03:01:02,367 --> 03:01:03,966 three working mothers have lost work hours due to child care 6403 03:01:03,966 --> 03:01:05,899 work hours due to child care and a full inquest begins today 6404 03:01:05,899 --> 03:01:07,366 and a full inquest begins today into the death for man who was 6405 03:01:07,366 --> 03:01:08,099 into the death for man who was suspected by police have taking 6406 03:01:08,099 --> 03:01:10,099 suspected by police have taking his own life after appearing on 6407 03:01:10,099 --> 03:01:11,966 his own life after appearing on the Jeremy Kyle show, Steve 6408 03:01:11,966 --> 03:01:13,034 the Jeremy Kyle show, Steve Diamond, who is 63, was found 6409 03:01:13,034 --> 03:01:14,400 Diamond, who is 63, was found dead at his home in Portsmouth 6410 03:01:14,400 --> 03:01:15,966 dead at his home in Portsmouth in May last year, the it show 6411 03:01:15,966 --> 03:01:17,634 in May last year, the it show was subsequently cancelled Talk 6412 03:01:17,634 --> 03:01:20,866 was subsequently cancelled Talk radio. National weather Some 6413 03:01:20,866 --> 03:01:21,767 radio. National weather Some heavy rain set to move from 6414 03:01:21,767 --> 03:01:23,200 heavy rain set to move from west across the UK this 6415 03:01:23,200 --> 03:01:24,866 west across the UK this morning. It will be mainly wet 6416 03:01:24,866 --> 03:01:25,966 morning. It will be mainly wet in the east of England by the 6417 03:01:25,966 --> 03:01:28,600 in the east of England by the afternoon highs of 12° Talk 6418 03:01:28,600 --> 03:01:32,799 afternoon highs of 12° Talk radio across the UK online on D 6419 03:01:32,799 --> 03:01:35,366 radio across the UK online on D and on your smart speaker late 6420 03:01:35,366 --> 03:01:37,767 and on your smart speaker late night with crystals on talk 6421 03:01:37,767 --> 03:01:40,699 night with crystals on talk Radio Big topics. Big opinions, 6422 03:01:40,699 --> 03:01:43,466 Radio Big topics. Big opinions, big conversations and a place 6423 03:01:43,466 --> 03:01:44,833 big conversations and a place to have your say let’s put the 6424 03:01:44,833 --> 03:01:47,800 to have your say let’s put the Walter Rights late night with 6425 03:01:47,800 --> 03:01:51,634 Walter Rights late night with Crystal weeknights from. Ten on 6426 03:01:51,634 --> 03:01:55,800 Crystal weeknights from. Ten on radio talk Radio Julia Hartley 6427 03:01:55,800 --> 03:01:57,800 radio talk Radio Julia Hartley brewer at breakfast on Talk 6428 03:01:57,800 --> 03:02:00,467 brewer at breakfast on Talk Radio Good morning to breakfast 6429 03:02:00,467 --> 03:02:01,734 Radio Good morning to breakfast for me, Julia Hart Thank you so 6430 03:02:01,734 --> 03:02:03,434 for me, Julia Hart Thank you so much for your company coming 6431 03:02:03,434 --> 03:02:05,333 much for your company coming up. We are gonna talk about 6432 03:02:05,333 --> 03:02:08,333 up. We are gonna talk about Christie. Yeah. it’s the battle 6433 03:02:08,333 --> 03:02:10,933 Christie. Yeah. it’s the battle Colleen Rooney and Rebecca 6434 03:02:10,933 --> 03:02:12,399 Colleen Rooney and Rebecca finally taking their battles uh 6435 03:02:12,399 --> 03:02:14,767 finally taking their battles uh to court. What’s it all about 6436 03:02:14,767 --> 03:02:16,533 to court. What’s it all about lucky enough. Not to know I 6437 03:02:16,533 --> 03:02:17,967 lucky enough. Not to know I salute you but we’ll be finding 6438 03:02:17,967 --> 03:02:19,900 salute you but we’ll be finding out from uh the Sunday’s Hannah 6439 03:02:19,900 --> 03:02:21,766 out from uh the Sunday’s Hannah Hope uh in just a few minutes 6440 03:02:21,766 --> 03:02:22,900 Hope uh in just a few minutes also going to be talking about. 6441 03:02:22,900 --> 03:02:23,599 also going to be talking about. I mean these figures are 6442 03:02:23,599 --> 03:02:24,567 I mean these figures are absolutely astonishing talking 6443 03:02:24,567 --> 03:02:26,800 absolutely astonishing talking about the public. Uh pay 6444 03:02:26,800 --> 03:02:27,667 about the public. Uh pay freeze, it’s going to be coming 6445 03:02:27,667 --> 03:02:29,334 freeze, it’s going to be coming up announced by the chance of a 6446 03:02:29,334 --> 03:02:30,833 up announced by the chance of a little bit later uh but uh a 6447 03:02:30,833 --> 03:02:32,467 little bit later uh but uh a third or more of hospitality 6448 03:02:32,467 --> 03:02:33,667 third or more of hospitality firms saying they fear they 6449 03:02:33,667 --> 03:02:35,267 firms saying they fear they will go out of business in a 6450 03:02:35,267 --> 03:02:36,700 will go out of business in a matter of months, according to 6451 03:02:36,700 --> 03:02:39,100 matter of months, according to a new OS data will be talking 6452 03:02:39,100 --> 03:02:41,267 a new OS data will be talking to UK hospitality Kate Nichols 6453 03:02:41,267 --> 03:02:42,901 to UK hospitality Kate Nichols about that uh coming up very 6454 03:02:42,901 --> 03:02:43,434 about that uh coming up very soon as well. right now, 6455 03:02:43,434 --> 03:02:44,367 soon as well. right now, though, let’s talk about the 6456 03:02:44,367 --> 03:02:45,933 though, let’s talk about the prospect of Brexit deal, Oh God 6457 03:02:45,933 --> 03:02:47,400 prospect of Brexit deal, Oh God not again. I hear you cry well 6458 03:02:47,400 --> 03:02:48,434 not again. I hear you cry well every single week, we’re told 6459 03:02:48,434 --> 03:02:49,734 every single week, we’re told it’s a crunch. We got me every 6460 03:02:49,734 --> 03:02:51,067 it’s a crunch. We got me every single week we’ll do next week 6461 03:02:51,067 --> 03:02:52,533 single week we’ll do next week is going to be the crucial time 6462 03:02:52,533 --> 03:02:54,534 is going to be the crucial time we are going uh to find out 6463 03:02:54,534 --> 03:02:55,966 we are going uh to find out well uh we’ve gone to the Y 6464 03:02:55,966 --> 03:02:57,933 well uh we’ve gone to the Y fifteen. October was we’re told 6465 03:02:57,933 --> 03:02:59,266 fifteen. October was we’re told the white then it stretched and 6466 03:02:59,266 --> 03:02:59,967 the white then it stretched and stretched and stretched and we 6467 03:02:59,967 --> 03:03:00,767 stretched and stretched and we were talking about. you know 6468 03:03:00,767 --> 03:03:01,634 were talking about. you know what could go all the way to 6469 03:03:01,634 --> 03:03:02,733 what could go all the way to the thirty-first of December if 6470 03:03:02,733 --> 03:03:04,533 the thirty-first of December if we need to because we don’t 6471 03:03:04,533 --> 03:03:06,000 we need to because we don’t need EU uh separate parliaments 6472 03:03:06,000 --> 03:03:07,733 need EU uh separate parliaments to her and she agreed to a deal 6473 03:03:07,733 --> 03:03:09,766 to her and she agreed to a deal if it’s uh a rather thin deal 6474 03:03:09,766 --> 03:03:10,867 if it’s uh a rather thin deal than perhaps many had been 6475 03:03:10,867 --> 03:03:12,899 than perhaps many had been hoping but the hopes that is uh 6476 03:03:12,899 --> 03:03:14,500 hoping but the hopes that is uh talks would carry on uh right 6477 03:03:14,500 --> 03:03:16,634 talks would carry on uh right now and early next week rather 6478 03:03:16,634 --> 03:03:18,333 now and early next week rather being hit by the fact we’ve had 6479 03:03:18,333 --> 03:03:20,467 being hit by the fact we’ve had yet another a positive coveted 6480 03:03:20,467 --> 03:03:21,867 yet another a positive coveted test among the people doing 6481 03:03:21,867 --> 03:03:23,500 test among the people doing that uh negotiation and 6482 03:03:23,500 --> 03:03:24,766 that uh negotiation and everyone is now having to go 6483 03:03:24,766 --> 03:03:26,400 everyone is now having to go into self isolation, but does 6484 03:03:26,400 --> 03:03:27,667 into self isolation, but does that mean a deal is off? Let’s 6485 03:03:27,667 --> 03:03:31,066 that mean a deal is off? Let’s talk to? 6486 03:03:58,000 --> 03:03:59,334 Deal is gonna be done it would 6487 03:03:59,334 --> 03:04:00,933 Deal is gonna be done it would have already more or less been 6488 03:04:00,933 --> 03:04:02,733 have already more or less been been done. you know there’s 6489 03:04:02,733 --> 03:04:04,800 been done. you know there’s nothing that they need to 6490 03:04:04,800 --> 03:04:06,000 nothing that they need to negotiate right now that they 6491 03:04:06,000 --> 03:04:07,333 negotiate right now that they wouldn’t have already 6492 03:04:07,333 --> 03:04:08,767 wouldn’t have already negotiated the end degree. 6493 03:04:08,767 --> 03:04:10,467 negotiated the end degree. Yeah. so the idea that the 6494 03:04:10,467 --> 03:04:11,967 Yeah. so the idea that the whole thing comes to a crashing 6495 03:04:11,967 --> 03:04:13,100 whole thing comes to a crashing cuz someone’s tested positive 6496 03:04:13,100 --> 03:04:15,267 cuz someone’s tested positive for Kobe just um so I mean you 6497 03:04:15,267 --> 03:04:16,033 for Kobe just um so I mean you say you say, look they 6498 03:04:16,033 --> 03:04:18,000 say you say, look they negotiate if everyone knows 6499 03:04:18,000 --> 03:04:18,599 negotiate if everyone knows where everyone stands. Everyone 6500 03:04:18,599 --> 03:04:19,667 where everyone stands. Everyone knows what the facts and 6501 03:04:19,667 --> 03:04:20,033 knows what the facts and figures are whether it’s 6502 03:04:20,033 --> 03:04:21,800 figures are whether it’s fishing or whether it’s state 6503 03:04:21,800 --> 03:04:23,800 fishing or whether it’s state aid or the like the Island 6504 03:04:23,800 --> 03:04:27,133 aid or the like the Island protocol uh from the uh that’s 6505 03:04:27,133 --> 03:04:30,567 protocol uh from the uh that’s uh. That issue um it is this 6506 03:04:30,567 --> 03:04:31,400 uh. That issue um it is this now just a matter of political 6507 03:04:31,400 --> 03:04:32,900 now just a matter of political world. It’s who blinks first. 6508 03:04:32,900 --> 03:04:35,300 world. It’s who blinks first. It is one side gonna say 6509 03:04:35,300 --> 03:04:36,967 It is one side gonna say alright we will compromise on 6510 03:04:36,967 --> 03:04:37,700 alright we will compromise on the French and the Spanish 6511 03:04:37,700 --> 03:04:39,967 the French and the Spanish having rights to uh e to UK 6512 03:04:39,967 --> 03:04:42,334 having rights to uh e to UK fishing grounds is it the UK 6513 03:04:42,334 --> 03:04:43,667 fishing grounds is it the UK saying right we will uh give up 6514 03:04:43,667 --> 03:04:45,334 saying right we will uh give up some of those rights or we will 6515 03:04:45,334 --> 03:04:47,634 some of those rights or we will uh agreed not to give uh you 6516 03:04:47,634 --> 03:04:48,967 uh agreed not to give uh you know various amounts of state 6517 03:04:48,967 --> 03:04:50,533 know various amounts of state aid to the industries in the UK 6518 03:04:50,533 --> 03:04:52,000 aid to the industries in the UK return for a trader is is it 6519 03:04:52,000 --> 03:04:53,634 return for a trader is is it just now a matter of something 6520 03:04:53,634 --> 03:04:55,000 just now a matter of something that would take a matter of 6521 03:04:55,000 --> 03:04:56,033 that would take a matter of moments people either going yes 6522 03:04:56,033 --> 03:04:58,933 moments people either going yes or no. Rather than long out 6523 03:04:58,933 --> 03:05:00,800 or no. Rather than long out technical negotiation well, I 6524 03:05:00,800 --> 03:05:02,399 technical negotiation well, I mean I think it’s slightly 6525 03:05:02,399 --> 03:05:03,133 mean I think it’s slightly worse than that actually Julia 6526 03:05:03,133 --> 03:05:05,300 worse than that actually Julia from a British perspective, I 6527 03:05:05,300 --> 03:05:07,867 from a British perspective, I think the EU has sense that 6528 03:05:07,867 --> 03:05:09,267 think the EU has sense that they can get pretty much 6529 03:05:09,267 --> 03:05:10,734 they can get pretty much exactly what they want from the 6530 03:05:10,734 --> 03:05:12,000 exactly what they want from the political declaration. you 6531 03:05:12,000 --> 03:05:13,567 political declaration. you know, signing up to a level 6532 03:05:13,567 --> 03:05:16,000 know, signing up to a level playing field fishing quotas 6533 03:05:16,000 --> 03:05:18,467 playing field fishing quotas even a safe for the EC on a 6534 03:05:18,467 --> 03:05:19,733 even a safe for the EC on a long term basis and British 6535 03:05:19,733 --> 03:05:21,334 long term basis and British fairs. I think they said they 6536 03:05:21,334 --> 03:05:22,766 fairs. I think they said they can get all of that because the 6537 03:05:22,766 --> 03:05:24,000 can get all of that because the prime minister hasn’t stuck to 6538 03:05:24,000 --> 03:05:26,133 prime minister hasn’t stuck to any of the self-made deadlines 6539 03:05:26,133 --> 03:05:27,467 any of the self-made deadlines that he said. And I think it’s 6540 03:05:27,467 --> 03:05:29,800 that he said. And I think it’s a. A bit like you know a cat 6541 03:05:29,800 --> 03:05:32,000 a. A bit like you know a cat playing with a mouse and it’s 6542 03:05:32,000 --> 03:05:33,933 playing with a mouse and it’s and the EU kind of waiting to 6543 03:05:33,933 --> 03:05:37,267 and the EU kind of waiting to put in that fatal bite and it 6544 03:05:37,267 --> 03:05:38,767 put in that fatal bite and it I’m beginning to wonder whether 6545 03:05:38,767 --> 03:05:40,300 I’m beginning to wonder whether they want to force the prime 6546 03:05:40,300 --> 03:05:42,767 they want to force the prime minister into the position of 6547 03:05:42,767 --> 03:05:43,967 minister into the position of having to extend the transition 6548 03:05:43,967 --> 03:05:45,500 having to extend the transition period. You know, we’ve always 6549 03:05:45,500 --> 03:05:46,800 period. You know, we’ve always said that we’re not going 6550 03:05:46,800 --> 03:05:48,301 said that we’re not going beyond 31st of December and the 6551 03:05:48,301 --> 03:05:49,834 beyond 31st of December and the way they’re dragging this now 6552 03:05:49,834 --> 03:05:51,767 way they’re dragging this now out to the eleventh on 59th 6553 03:05:51,767 --> 03:05:53,500 out to the eleventh on 59th minute is like a cat playing 6554 03:05:53,500 --> 03:05:54,967 minute is like a cat playing with a mouse. He’s like saying, 6555 03:05:54,967 --> 03:05:56,301 with a mouse. He’s like saying, Well, you know we can have you 6556 03:05:56,301 --> 03:05:57,767 Well, you know we can have you whenever we want you and we’re 6557 03:05:57,767 --> 03:05:58,900 whenever we want you and we’re just gonna to you with you and 6558 03:05:58,900 --> 03:06:00,334 just gonna to you with you and see how much we can drag you 6559 03:06:00,334 --> 03:06:01,967 see how much we can drag you through the mud. How much 6560 03:06:01,967 --> 03:06:04,233 through the mud. How much ignorant we can pile on you. As 6561 03:06:04,233 --> 03:06:05,867 ignorant we can pile on you. As we you know come into these 6562 03:06:05,867 --> 03:06:07,967 we you know come into these closing phases, it’s a really 6563 03:06:07,967 --> 03:06:09,334 closing phases, it’s a really awful, but the face it all 6564 03:06:09,334 --> 03:06:10,000 awful, but the face it all depends on whether or not they 6565 03:06:10,000 --> 03:06:12,000 depends on whether or not they think that Boris Johnson will, 6566 03:06:12,000 --> 03:06:13,967 think that Boris Johnson will, and there is an argument where 6567 03:06:13,967 --> 03:06:15,234 and there is an argument where he was sitting there. You know 6568 03:06:15,234 --> 03:06:16,233 he was sitting there. You know if you didn’t get a year ago 6569 03:06:16,233 --> 03:06:17,867 if you didn’t get a year ago with his eighteen majority, 6570 03:06:17,867 --> 03:06:19,766 with his eighteen majority, very sure of of himself even 6571 03:06:19,766 --> 03:06:21,267 very sure of of himself even year, dealing with the 6572 03:06:21,267 --> 03:06:21,767 year, dealing with the pandemic, you know massive 6573 03:06:21,767 --> 03:06:23,900 pandemic, you know massive approval ratings lots of uh 6574 03:06:23,900 --> 03:06:26,000 approval ratings lots of uh lots of support uh monkey’s own 6575 03:06:26,000 --> 03:06:28,434 lots of support uh monkey’s own party members among his donors 6576 03:06:28,434 --> 03:06:30,000 party members among his donors among his MPs and the country, 6577 03:06:30,000 --> 03:06:31,799 among his MPs and the country, a lot that you know he could 6578 03:06:31,799 --> 03:06:32,999 a lot that you know he could pretty much you know he can 6579 03:06:32,999 --> 03:06:36,200 pretty much you know he can walk. Water That’s not the case 6580 03:06:36,200 --> 03:06:39,267 walk. Water That’s not the case at all anymore um realistically 6581 03:06:39,267 --> 03:06:41,834 at all anymore um realistically would Boris Johnson survive 6582 03:06:41,834 --> 03:06:43,501 would Boris Johnson survive extending the transition period 6583 03:06:43,501 --> 03:06:44,867 extending the transition period because a lawful lot of the 6584 03:06:44,867 --> 03:06:45,800 because a lawful lot of the people who are opposed to his 6585 03:06:45,800 --> 03:06:47,634 people who are opposed to his lockdown policies. uh and also 6586 03:06:47,634 --> 03:06:49,567 lockdown policies. uh and also a lot of those party donors and 6587 03:06:49,567 --> 03:06:50,800 a lot of those party donors and you’ll know this is a former 6588 03:06:50,800 --> 03:06:53,800 you’ll know this is a former Brexit party uh me um a lawful 6589 03:06:53,800 --> 03:06:55,700 Brexit party uh me um a lawful lot of um of those people are 6590 03:06:55,700 --> 03:06:57,301 lot of um of those people are also the people you know very 6591 03:06:57,301 --> 03:06:58,933 also the people you know very much adamant that they want 6592 03:06:58,933 --> 03:06:59,867 much adamant that they want Brexit over and done with. Yeah 6593 03:06:59,867 --> 03:07:01,300 Brexit over and done with. Yeah we left on the 31st of January 6594 03:07:01,300 --> 03:07:02,133 we left on the 31st of January with that transition period 6595 03:07:02,133 --> 03:07:05,800 with that transition period over. Extended in you know 6596 03:07:05,800 --> 03:07:06,234 over. Extended in you know indefinitely, which is what 6597 03:07:06,234 --> 03:07:08,434 indefinitely, which is what would happen if it extends once 6598 03:07:08,434 --> 03:07:10,867 would happen if it extends once that’s it go on and on, I can’t 6599 03:07:10,867 --> 03:07:12,599 that’s it go on and on, I can’t believe politically survive 6600 03:07:12,599 --> 03:07:15,267 believe politically survive that II go. I think Boris 6601 03:07:15,267 --> 03:07:17,167 that II go. I think Boris Johnson is in a very difficult 6602 03:07:17,167 --> 03:07:18,800 Johnson is in a very difficult position. Whatever happens he’s 6603 03:07:18,800 --> 03:07:19,700 position. Whatever happens he’s between a rock and a hard 6604 03:07:19,700 --> 03:07:21,901 between a rock and a hard place. You know he signed up to 6605 03:07:21,901 --> 03:07:23,034 place. You know he signed up to withdrawal agreement that he 6606 03:07:23,034 --> 03:07:24,267 withdrawal agreement that he championed is not ready, 6607 03:07:24,267 --> 03:07:26,000 championed is not ready, Fantastic deal and now you know 6608 03:07:26,000 --> 03:07:28,233 Fantastic deal and now you know he’s having the difficult uh 6609 03:07:28,233 --> 03:07:29,966 he’s having the difficult uh task of breaching international 6610 03:07:29,966 --> 03:07:31,567 task of breaching international law to try and put that right 6611 03:07:31,567 --> 03:07:33,967 law to try and put that right he’s failing. Get a deal uh in 6612 03:07:33,967 --> 03:07:36,267 he’s failing. Get a deal uh in the time period that he set it 6613 03:07:36,267 --> 03:07:37,067 the time period that he set it looks like we’re gonna sign up 6614 03:07:37,067 --> 03:07:38,500 looks like we’re gonna sign up to a deal if we do get a deal 6615 03:07:38,500 --> 03:07:40,233 to a deal if we do get a deal along the lines of the 6616 03:07:40,233 --> 03:07:41,867 along the lines of the decoration, which again, he 6617 03:07:41,867 --> 03:07:42,599 decoration, which again, he said he would never do and you 6618 03:07:42,599 --> 03:07:44,800 said he would never do and you know people like me in a whole 6619 03:07:44,800 --> 03:07:46,233 know people like me in a whole host of proper Brexit tears. If 6620 03:07:46,233 --> 03:07:48,467 host of proper Brexit tears. If you like we’ll call him out if 6621 03:07:48,467 --> 03:07:50,600 you like we’ll call him out if he signs up to a bad deal and 6622 03:07:50,600 --> 03:07:53,267 he signs up to a bad deal and um I can’t see any option other 6623 03:07:53,267 --> 03:07:56,534 um I can’t see any option other than a bad deal this side of 6624 03:07:56,534 --> 03:07:58,000 than a bad deal this side of 31. December So if the extent I 6625 03:07:58,000 --> 03:07:59,900 31. December So if the extent I mean, he’s kind of he’s in he’s 6626 03:07:59,900 --> 03:08:01,567 mean, he’s kind of he’s in he’s in he’s in real trouble. 6627 03:08:01,567 --> 03:08:03,267 in he’s in real trouble. Whatever. Happens he’s between 6628 03:08:03,267 --> 03:08:04,000 Whatever. Happens he’s between a rock and a hard place, but 6629 03:08:04,000 --> 03:08:05,867 a rock and a hard place, but there’s also an issue for the 6630 03:08:05,867 --> 03:08:06,334 there’s also an issue for the EU, but a small point where 6631 03:08:06,334 --> 03:08:07,733 EU, but a small point where everyone’s economies in the 6632 03:08:07,733 --> 03:08:08,967 everyone’s economies in the doldrums everyone’s dealing 6633 03:08:08,967 --> 03:08:10,233 doldrums everyone’s dealing with this, There’s actually an 6634 03:08:10,233 --> 03:08:11,900 with this, There’s actually an awful lot, You know less cross 6635 03:08:11,900 --> 03:08:13,766 awful lot, You know less cross traffic channel traffic that’s 6636 03:08:13,766 --> 03:08:14,467 traffic channel traffic that’s going on. That’s where the real 6637 03:08:14,467 --> 03:08:15,434 going on. That’s where the real issue is. It’s sort of you know 6638 03:08:15,434 --> 03:08:17,967 issue is. It’s sort of you know Lori Parks in Kent. That’s I 6639 03:08:17,967 --> 03:08:20,800 Lori Parks in Kent. That’s I was far less uh transport 6640 03:08:20,800 --> 03:08:21,434 was far less uh transport issues going on right now, 6641 03:08:21,434 --> 03:08:22,634 issues going on right now, quite like no one’s allowed to 6642 03:08:22,634 --> 03:08:23,599 quite like no one’s allowed to travel between the the various 6643 03:08:23,599 --> 03:08:25,966 travel between the the various countries of Europe and the UK 6644 03:08:25,966 --> 03:08:27,899 countries of Europe and the UK um so it’s actually an ideal 6645 03:08:27,899 --> 03:08:29,533 um so it’s actually an ideal time for this to happen rather 6646 03:08:29,533 --> 03:08:32,901 time for this to happen rather than the it is an ideal time. 6647 03:08:32,901 --> 03:08:34,533 than the it is an ideal time. Yeah, things like candy you and 6648 03:08:34,533 --> 03:08:35,967 Yeah, things like candy you and all these countries like yeah, 6649 03:08:35,967 --> 03:08:36,933 all these countries like yeah, they want they wanna play 6650 03:08:36,933 --> 03:08:37,634 they want they wanna play hardball. Uh the EU wants to 6651 03:08:37,634 --> 03:08:39,733 hardball. Uh the EU wants to stick it to UK. It’s not in the 6652 03:08:39,733 --> 03:08:40,933 stick it to UK. It’s not in the interest of Germany and France 6653 03:08:40,933 --> 03:08:41,867 interest of Germany and France tickets. you really wanna sell 6654 03:08:41,867 --> 03:08:43,299 tickets. you really wanna sell us cars. They wanna sell a 6655 03:08:43,299 --> 03:08:44,033 us cars. They wanna sell a champagne. They wanna sell us. 6656 03:08:44,033 --> 03:08:45,467 champagne. They wanna sell us. You You know white They wanna 6657 03:08:45,467 --> 03:08:47,200 You You know white They wanna sell us agricultural products. 6658 03:08:47,200 --> 03:08:48,967 sell us agricultural products. I mean realistically if you 6659 03:08:48,967 --> 03:08:50,334 I mean realistically if you know we okay, let’s all stop a 6660 03:08:50,334 --> 03:08:51,967 know we okay, let’s all stop a lot of tariffs on go to world 6661 03:08:51,967 --> 03:08:53,266 lot of tariffs on go to world trade organization that fine. I 6662 03:08:53,266 --> 03:08:53,867 trade organization that fine. I mean, I’m perfectly happy with 6663 03:08:53,867 --> 03:08:55,233 mean, I’m perfectly happy with that. I’m I can live with the 6664 03:08:55,233 --> 03:08:55,966 that. I’m I can live with the deal or no deal. I’m not 6665 03:08:55,966 --> 03:08:57,567 deal or no deal. I’m not bothered out of the EU. That’s 6666 03:08:57,567 --> 03:08:59,399 bothered out of the EU. That’s all that matters to me um but 6667 03:08:59,399 --> 03:09:02,467 all that matters to me um but fundamentally um it. They sell 6668 03:09:02,467 --> 03:09:04,766 fundamentally um it. They sell to us, they’re the ones those 6669 03:09:04,766 --> 03:09:05,399 to us, they’re the ones those goods become more expensive, 6670 03:09:05,399 --> 03:09:06,967 goods become more expensive, You know what I’ve done. I’m 6671 03:09:06,967 --> 03:09:08,999 You know what I’ve done. I’m gonna stop buying New Zealand 6672 03:09:08,999 --> 03:09:10,400 gonna stop buying New Zealand booze. I’ll buy my from 6673 03:09:10,400 --> 03:09:11,867 booze. I’ll buy my from somewhere else. You’re 6674 03:09:11,867 --> 03:09:13,233 somewhere else. You’re absolutely right. I mean the EU 6675 03:09:13,233 --> 03:09:15,133 absolutely right. I mean the EU undoubtedly is chopping off its 6676 03:09:15,133 --> 03:09:17,400 undoubtedly is chopping off its no despite its ideological 6677 03:09:17,400 --> 03:09:20,000 no despite its ideological face, but it is its ideological 6678 03:09:20,000 --> 03:09:21,301 face, but it is its ideological face that it leads with you 6679 03:09:21,301 --> 03:09:22,800 face that it leads with you know that is the most important 6680 03:09:22,800 --> 03:09:25,233 know that is the most important thing for the EU. It’s the 6681 03:09:25,233 --> 03:09:27,800 thing for the EU. It’s the European Union project and that 6682 03:09:27,800 --> 03:09:28,834 European Union project and that comes first and foremost even 6683 03:09:28,834 --> 03:09:30,500 comes first and foremost even to the detriment of the German 6684 03:09:30,500 --> 03:09:32,634 to the detriment of the German and French people Um it’s 6685 03:09:32,634 --> 03:09:34,000 and French people Um it’s absolutely abs. We are one of 6686 03:09:34,000 --> 03:09:35,467 absolutely abs. We are one of the largest clients of the 6687 03:09:35,467 --> 03:09:37,567 the largest clients of the European Union, they ought to 6688 03:09:37,567 --> 03:09:38,967 European Union, they ought to be falling over backwards to 6689 03:09:38,967 --> 03:09:40,533 be falling over backwards to allow us to continue to buy 6690 03:09:40,533 --> 03:09:43,034 allow us to continue to buy their goods and actually you 6691 03:09:43,034 --> 03:09:44,500 their goods and actually you know it’s been a success of 6692 03:09:44,500 --> 03:09:46,000 know it’s been a success of failing in in in governments 6693 03:09:46,000 --> 03:09:48,301 failing in in in governments that we haven’t recognized that 6694 03:09:48,301 --> 03:09:49,434 that we haven’t recognized that and and that we haven’t used 6695 03:09:49,434 --> 03:09:51,434 and and that we haven’t used that negotiating position to 6696 03:09:51,434 --> 03:09:52,533 that negotiating position to drive a proper deal. Uh we’ve 6697 03:09:52,533 --> 03:09:54,933 drive a proper deal. Uh we’ve you know Missus May live 6698 03:09:54,933 --> 03:09:55,767 you know Missus May live project fear to take home. She 6699 03:09:55,767 --> 03:09:57,767 project fear to take home. She allowed the northern Irish 6700 03:09:57,767 --> 03:09:59,334 allowed the northern Irish border to become weaponized She 6701 03:09:59,334 --> 03:10:01,034 border to become weaponized She set deadlines that she never 6702 03:10:01,034 --> 03:10:02,533 set deadlines that she never met and she talked herself 6703 03:10:02,533 --> 03:10:04,767 met and she talked herself into. Got that? I think the 6704 03:10:04,767 --> 03:10:06,133 into. Got that? I think the things that things are bad, but 6705 03:10:06,133 --> 03:10:07,567 things that things are bad, but at least Theresa May is not in 6706 03:10:07,567 --> 03:10:08,634 at least Theresa May is not in charge it could be worse. uh 6707 03:10:08,634 --> 03:10:10,133 charge it could be worse. uh Ben Thank you very much indeed 6708 03:10:10,133 --> 03:10:12,300 Ben Thank you very much indeed for joining us. 942 is the time 6709 03:10:12,300 --> 03:10:13,767 for joining us. 942 is the time now. do you want the chance to 6710 03:10:13,767 --> 03:10:16,533 now. do you want the chance to win more than 20000 pounds the 6711 03:10:16,533 --> 03:10:18,967 win more than 20000 pounds the new football pools game talk 6712 03:10:18,967 --> 03:10:20,300 new football pools game talk sports selector launches 6713 03:10:20,300 --> 03:10:21,901 sports selector launches tomorrow if you haven’t played 6714 03:10:21,901 --> 03:10:23,533 tomorrow if you haven’t played sports select yet now is your 6715 03:10:23,533 --> 03:10:25,067 sports select yet now is your chance to enter. 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Uh let’s talk. About it well 6737 03:11:03,834 --> 03:11:05,800 Uh let’s talk. About it well instagraming responsibly let’s 6738 03:11:05,800 --> 03:11:07,966 instagraming responsibly let’s talk about Christ. if you don’t 6739 03:11:07,966 --> 03:11:10,567 talk about Christ. if you don’t know what that is well done you 6740 03:11:10,567 --> 03:11:11,966 know what that is well done you a court case to adult court 6741 03:11:11,966 --> 03:11:14,334 a court case to adult court cases of the Wags, Colleen Rudy 6742 03:11:14,334 --> 03:11:16,834 cases of the Wags, Colleen Rudy and Rebecca has hit the high 6743 03:11:16,834 --> 03:11:18,066 and Rebecca has hit the high court. What is it all about? 6744 03:11:18,066 --> 03:11:19,533 court. What is it all about? Well? I hope my next guest can 6745 03:11:19,533 --> 03:11:20,234 Well? I hope my next guest can tell us Hannah Hope his 6746 03:11:20,234 --> 03:11:22,533 tell us Hannah Hope his assistant Editor Sun on Sunday. 6747 03:11:22,533 --> 03:11:23,767 assistant Editor Sun on Sunday. Good morning Hannah Good 6748 03:11:23,767 --> 03:11:25,267 Good morning Hannah Good morning. Well, I mean, look in 6749 03:11:25,267 --> 03:11:26,733 morning. Well, I mean, look in terms of internationally that 6750 03:11:26,733 --> 03:11:29,133 terms of internationally that uh that uh liable case uh with 6751 03:11:29,133 --> 03:11:30,533 uh that uh liable case uh with the Johnny Depp really hit the 6752 03:11:30,533 --> 03:11:32,767 the Johnny Depp really hit the international headline. But in 6753 03:11:32,767 --> 03:11:34,366 international headline. But in terms of the wags uh this is 6754 03:11:34,366 --> 03:11:35,767 terms of the wags uh this is the big one isn’t it now for 6755 03:11:35,767 --> 03:11:36,901 the big one isn’t it now for people who would be living 6756 03:11:36,901 --> 03:11:37,634 people who would be living under stone for the last year 6757 03:11:37,634 --> 03:11:39,967 under stone for the last year or so uh who spend their time 6758 03:11:39,967 --> 03:11:40,999 or so uh who spend their time rather better than reading 6759 03:11:40,999 --> 03:11:43,399 rather better than reading about what the Wags get up to 6760 03:11:43,399 --> 03:11:44,967 about what the Wags get up to Can you explain Janet and John 6761 03:11:44,967 --> 03:11:46,267 Can you explain Janet and John this back to the beginning one 6762 03:11:46,267 --> 03:11:48,066 this back to the beginning one earth. This high court case is 6763 03:11:48,066 --> 03:11:52,800 earth. This high court case is all about so over the years, 6764 03:11:52,800 --> 03:11:53,467 all about so over the years, Colleen has been posting fake 6765 03:11:53,467 --> 03:11:55,900 Colleen has been posting fake stories on her social media 6766 03:11:55,900 --> 03:11:57,400 stories on her social media account. She has a private one 6767 03:11:57,400 --> 03:11:59,799 account. She has a private one that’s only followed by a few 6768 03:11:59,799 --> 03:12:01,533 that’s only followed by a few people if we back up Rudy is 6769 03:12:01,533 --> 03:12:03,667 people if we back up Rudy is Wayne Rooney’s wife, everybody. 6770 03:12:03,667 --> 03:12:05,967 Wayne Rooney’s wife, everybody. Absolutely. yes, she’s uh she’s 6771 03:12:05,967 --> 03:12:07,966 Absolutely. yes, she’s uh she’s um written about. Countless a 6772 03:12:07,966 --> 03:12:10,599 um written about. Countless a huge interest in their personal 6773 03:12:10,599 --> 03:12:12,000 huge interest in their personal lives and she posted a series 6774 03:12:12,000 --> 03:12:13,399 lives and she posted a series of fake stories on her 6775 03:12:13,399 --> 03:12:15,667 of fake stories on her Instagram account, one hinting 6776 03:12:15,667 --> 03:12:18,267 Instagram account, one hinting that she was going to America 6777 03:12:18,267 --> 03:12:20,800 that she was going to America to have um a new baby but to 6778 03:12:20,800 --> 03:12:22,367 to have um a new baby but to choose the gender they have 6779 03:12:22,367 --> 03:12:23,334 choose the gender they have four boys. So apparently she 6780 03:12:23,334 --> 03:12:25,167 four boys. So apparently she wants a baby girl another that 6781 03:12:25,167 --> 03:12:26,700 wants a baby girl another that she was making a big return to 6782 03:12:26,700 --> 03:12:28,999 she was making a big return to show by going to the jungle to 6783 03:12:28,999 --> 03:12:31,167 show by going to the jungle to prepare. I have to get me out 6784 03:12:31,167 --> 03:12:33,434 prepare. I have to get me out of here and she accused Rebecca 6785 03:12:33,434 --> 03:12:35,500 of here and she accused Rebecca v of seeing the stories as you 6786 03:12:35,500 --> 03:12:37,167 v of seeing the stories as you can see who has mutual stories 6787 03:12:37,167 --> 03:12:40,366 can see who has mutual stories on Instagram and then. Leaking 6788 03:12:40,366 --> 03:12:41,933 on Instagram and then. Leaking them to uh right, I’m gonna 6789 03:12:41,933 --> 03:12:43,267 them to uh right, I’m gonna explain this to the to people. 6790 03:12:43,267 --> 03:12:44,700 explain this to the to people. I’m I’m only on Instagram cuz 6791 03:12:44,700 --> 03:12:45,866 I’m I’m only on Instagram cuz my fourteen year-old put me on 6792 03:12:45,866 --> 03:12:47,066 my fourteen year-old put me on uh don’t really understand it 6793 03:12:47,066 --> 03:12:48,567 uh don’t really understand it now. I’m I’m gonna have to. I 6794 03:12:48,567 --> 03:12:49,300 now. I’m I’m gonna have to. I love you see I can tell you’re 6795 03:12:49,300 --> 03:12:51,034 love you see I can tell you’re young because a lot of this is 6796 03:12:51,034 --> 03:12:52,466 young because a lot of this is really obvious to you but for 6797 03:12:52,466 --> 03:12:53,833 really obvious to you but for my older sister I anyone over 6798 03:12:53,833 --> 03:12:54,933 my older sister I anyone over twenty-one. I’ll explain this 6799 03:12:54,933 --> 03:12:56,500 twenty-one. I’ll explain this basically you can put stuff on 6800 03:12:56,500 --> 03:12:58,000 basically you can put stuff on your account, which only people 6801 03:12:58,000 --> 03:13:00,399 your account, which only people you’ve chosen can see so only 6802 03:13:00,399 --> 03:13:01,267 you’ve chosen can see so only people you’ve you’ve chosen can 6803 03:13:01,267 --> 03:13:03,067 people you’ve you’ve chosen can can actually see reports. So 6804 03:13:03,067 --> 03:13:03,700 can actually see reports. So she’ll say something and the 6805 03:13:03,700 --> 03:13:05,100 she’ll say something and the idea is that it just stays 6806 03:13:05,100 --> 03:13:06,567 idea is that it just stays among the people who think it’s 6807 03:13:06,567 --> 03:13:07,599 among the people who think it’s not generally available to 6808 03:13:07,599 --> 03:13:11,467 not generally available to everybody. And what and what 6809 03:13:11,467 --> 03:13:13,734 everybody. And what and what Wayne Rooney’s wife was doing 6810 03:13:13,734 --> 03:13:14,467 Wayne Rooney’s wife was doing when she was posting stuff that 6811 03:13:14,467 --> 03:13:16,500 when she was posting stuff that would appear to be going to 6812 03:13:16,500 --> 03:13:17,967 would appear to be going to lots of people, but you know 6813 03:13:17,967 --> 03:13:19,300 lots of people, but you know just her friends and family. 6814 03:13:19,300 --> 03:13:20,967 just her friends and family. they’re like and but she was 6815 03:13:20,967 --> 03:13:23,267 they’re like and but she was actually only posting it so one 6816 03:13:23,267 --> 03:13:24,700 actually only posting it so one person could see it and it was 6817 03:13:24,700 --> 03:13:25,800 person could see it and it was various different ones. She 6818 03:13:25,800 --> 03:13:26,567 various different ones. She wanted to know who was leaking 6819 03:13:26,567 --> 03:13:28,800 wanted to know who was leaking her her stories tabloid 6820 03:13:28,800 --> 03:13:30,299 her her stories tabloid newspapers and basically what 6821 03:13:30,299 --> 03:13:32,867 newspapers and basically what she said she worked out was 6822 03:13:32,867 --> 03:13:34,333 she said she worked out was that the only person who’d seen 6823 03:13:34,333 --> 03:13:36,333 that the only person who’d seen some of the stories, which was 6824 03:13:36,333 --> 03:13:39,933 some of the stories, which was one Rebecca. Wife of another 6825 03:13:39,933 --> 03:13:42,900 one Rebecca. Wife of another footballer, Lester City striker 6826 03:13:42,900 --> 03:13:47,400 footballer, Lester City striker Jamie that very six. It’s what 6827 03:13:47,400 --> 03:13:48,933 Jamie that very six. It’s what I do. I just I think there’s a 6828 03:13:48,933 --> 03:13:50,000 I do. I just I think there’s a lot of knowledge. I mean 6829 03:13:50,000 --> 03:13:51,434 lot of knowledge. I mean someone says an Insta story. 6830 03:13:51,434 --> 03:13:52,966 someone says an Insta story. I’m like one earth. Are you 6831 03:13:52,966 --> 03:13:54,466 I’m like one earth. Are you talking about Hannah? Uh you 6832 03:13:54,466 --> 03:13:55,467 talking about Hannah? Uh you know people have got jobs. 6833 03:13:55,467 --> 03:13:56,133 know people have got jobs. They’re busy. They’ve got other 6834 03:13:56,133 --> 03:13:57,967 They’re busy. They’ve got other stuff to worry about they’ve 6835 03:13:57,967 --> 03:13:59,567 stuff to worry about they’ve got supermarket shop to do for 6836 03:13:59,567 --> 03:14:00,867 got supermarket shop to do for the weekend. Hannah like so 6837 03:14:00,867 --> 03:14:01,966 the weekend. Hannah like so she’s basically, but there was 6838 03:14:01,966 --> 03:14:03,933 she’s basically, but there was this amazing post that that’s 6839 03:14:03,933 --> 03:14:06,101 this amazing post that that’s uh Colleen really did where she 6840 03:14:06,101 --> 03:14:06,867 uh Colleen really did where she basically everyone. That’s why 6841 03:14:06,867 --> 03:14:07,900 basically everyone. That’s why you got the names with Cristy 6842 03:14:07,900 --> 03:14:09,967 you got the names with Cristy where she basically spelled out 6843 03:14:09,967 --> 03:14:13,034 where she basically spelled out sort Of.you can always hear the 6844 03:14:13,034 --> 03:14:15,567 sort Of.you can always hear the sort of East style drum roll at 6845 03:14:15,567 --> 03:14:16,800 sort of East style drum roll at the end, Couldn’t you how she 6846 03:14:16,800 --> 03:14:17,967 the end, Couldn’t you how she had basically discovered who it 6847 03:14:17,967 --> 03:14:19,966 had basically discovered who it was that she thought was the 6848 03:14:19,966 --> 03:14:22,900 was that she thought was the rat in. She said it’s Dot.dot 6849 03:14:22,900 --> 03:14:25,300 rat in. She said it’s Dot.dot dot Rebecca Verde and it was a 6850 03:14:25,300 --> 03:14:27,100 dot Rebecca Verde and it was a real break. The internet kind 6851 03:14:27,100 --> 03:14:29,334 real break. The internet kind of moment media outlets fans 6852 03:14:29,334 --> 03:14:31,734 of moment media outlets fans were into absolute meltdown 6853 03:14:31,734 --> 03:14:33,367 were into absolute meltdown wanted to know what’s happening 6854 03:14:33,367 --> 03:14:34,900 wanted to know what’s happening trying to to sketch the bottom 6855 03:14:34,900 --> 03:14:36,867 trying to to sketch the bottom of Obviously, Rebecca 6856 03:14:36,867 --> 03:14:38,467 of Obviously, Rebecca completely dumbfounded by the 6857 03:14:38,467 --> 03:14:40,800 completely dumbfounded by the whole situation. I mean the 6858 03:14:40,800 --> 03:14:42,833 whole situation. I mean the tweet was even in the 6859 03:14:42,833 --> 03:14:44,767 tweet was even in the parliament um and in in the 6860 03:14:44,767 --> 03:14:46,999 parliament um and in in the politics uh Jeremy Corbin, they 6861 03:14:46,999 --> 03:14:48,501 politics uh Jeremy Corbin, they get the leader of the Labor 6862 03:14:48,501 --> 03:14:49,966 get the leader of the Labor Party actually did the same 6863 03:14:49,966 --> 03:14:51,967 Party actually did the same thing. With Boris Johnson, he 6864 03:14:51,967 --> 03:14:52,867 thing. With Boris Johnson, he said now I know for certain 6865 03:14:52,867 --> 03:14:56,000 said now I know for certain which individual is selling off 6866 03:14:56,000 --> 03:14:58,767 which individual is selling off NS. It’s this is really big, 6867 03:14:58,767 --> 03:14:59,467 NS. It’s this is really big, wasn’t it, But the thing about 6868 03:14:59,467 --> 03:15:00,267 wasn’t it, But the thing about this is this then led to 6869 03:15:00,267 --> 03:15:02,334 this is this then led to someone of a hate campaign 6870 03:15:02,334 --> 03:15:03,766 someone of a hate campaign against Rebecca V accused. 6871 03:15:03,766 --> 03:15:04,533 against Rebecca V accused. Listen. It’s a really nasty 6872 03:15:04,533 --> 03:15:06,833 Listen. It’s a really nasty abuse and they’re like um she 6873 03:15:06,833 --> 03:15:08,299 abuse and they’re like um she now just get the right way She 6874 03:15:08,299 --> 03:15:10,333 now just get the right way She is now suing Colleen Rooney is 6875 03:15:10,333 --> 03:15:10,999 is now suing Colleen Rooney is that the right way around 6876 03:15:10,999 --> 03:15:12,066 that the right way around basically saying that she’s 6877 03:15:12,066 --> 03:15:13,733 basically saying that she’s liable to her. She’s accused of 6878 03:15:13,733 --> 03:15:15,867 liable to her. She’s accused of doing something she hasn’t done 6879 03:15:15,867 --> 03:15:17,467 doing something she hasn’t done and so she is she’s suing 6880 03:15:17,467 --> 03:15:18,766 and so she is she’s suing Colleen Rudy for damages cuz 6881 03:15:18,766 --> 03:15:20,000 Colleen Rudy for damages cuz she said, you know it’s pretty 6882 03:15:20,000 --> 03:15:21,000 she said, you know it’s pretty ruined her reputation and the 6883 03:15:21,000 --> 03:15:22,599 ruined her reputation and the like and now all the dirty 6884 03:15:22,599 --> 03:15:24,667 like and now all the dirty little. Is being heard in the 6885 03:15:24,667 --> 03:15:27,434 little. Is being heard in the high court. Yes, her bar has 6886 03:15:27,434 --> 03:15:28,900 high court. Yes, her bar has wrote that she felt suicidal 6887 03:15:28,900 --> 03:15:31,034 wrote that she felt suicidal took three tips to hospital 6888 03:15:31,034 --> 03:15:32,300 took three tips to hospital with anxiety. She was actually 6889 03:15:32,300 --> 03:15:33,067 with anxiety. She was actually pregnant at the time, so she 6890 03:15:33,067 --> 03:15:35,133 pregnant at the time, so she was worried about losing her 6891 03:15:35,133 --> 03:15:37,900 was worried about losing her baby and it’s actually in high 6892 03:15:37,900 --> 03:15:39,567 baby and it’s actually in high court currently uh and the long 6893 03:15:39,567 --> 03:15:41,967 court currently uh and the long awaited case um looks like it 6894 03:15:41,967 --> 03:15:44,800 awaited case um looks like it will see the rags agreed to 6895 03:15:44,800 --> 03:15:45,967 will see the rags agreed to face-to-face peace talks 6896 03:15:45,967 --> 03:15:47,267 face-to-face peace talks because what they won’t want to 6897 03:15:47,267 --> 03:15:50,533 because what they won’t want to do is it for um to go to a 6898 03:15:50,533 --> 03:15:51,667 do is it for um to go to a full-blown Liberal trial? 6899 03:15:51,667 --> 03:15:54,434 full-blown Liberal trial? Allah. Depth and manhood where 6900 03:15:54,434 --> 03:15:56,834 Allah. Depth and manhood where all of their laundry and 6901 03:15:56,834 --> 03:15:59,467 all of their laundry and witnesses will be called to 6902 03:15:59,467 --> 03:16:00,934 witnesses will be called to work to um alright free detail. 6903 03:16:00,934 --> 03:16:02,267 work to um alright free detail. I’m gonna put you on the spot. 6904 03:16:02,267 --> 03:16:04,334 I’m gonna put you on the spot. I’m assuming it did get uh and 6905 03:16:04,334 --> 03:16:05,133 I’m assuming it did get uh and get settled with these things 6906 03:16:05,133 --> 03:16:06,066 get settled with these things often do get settled and 6907 03:16:06,066 --> 03:16:07,333 often do get settled and normally they’re settled before 6908 03:16:07,333 --> 03:16:09,333 normally they’re settled before this point. Um who do you think 6909 03:16:09,333 --> 03:16:13,800 this point. Um who do you think is gonna win well Both wax have 6910 03:16:13,800 --> 03:16:15,434 is gonna win well Both wax have been hugely confident about um 6911 03:16:15,434 --> 03:16:18,000 been hugely confident about um about their cases. I don’t know 6912 03:16:18,000 --> 03:16:20,234 about their cases. I don’t know who did who think come on who 6913 03:16:20,234 --> 03:16:23,334 who did who think come on who do you think I? That if you 6914 03:16:23,334 --> 03:16:26,267 do you think I? That if you look at the facts uh Colleen 6915 03:16:26,267 --> 03:16:28,800 look at the facts uh Colleen has had to sack on legal team 6916 03:16:28,800 --> 03:16:31,300 has had to sack on legal team whereas Rebecca has remained 6917 03:16:31,300 --> 03:16:32,967 whereas Rebecca has remained quietly strong and she’s gone 6918 03:16:32,967 --> 03:16:34,733 quietly strong and she’s gone on a reality show Dancing on 6919 03:16:34,733 --> 03:16:37,867 on a reality show Dancing on ice, which will put her even 6920 03:16:37,867 --> 03:16:39,700 ice, which will put her even more in the public eye. so 6921 03:16:39,700 --> 03:16:41,867 more in the public eye. so she’s acting very confidently, 6922 03:16:41,867 --> 03:16:43,399 she’s acting very confidently, say oh. Well, we shall see what 6923 03:16:43,399 --> 03:16:43,900 say oh. Well, we shall see what she would wouldn’t she who 6924 03:16:43,900 --> 03:16:45,199 she would wouldn’t she who knows what’s gonna happen? I 6925 03:16:45,199 --> 03:16:46,300 knows what’s gonna happen? I hope that’s explained you can 6926 03:16:46,300 --> 03:16:47,334 hope that’s explained you can now get down with the kids and 6927 03:16:47,334 --> 03:16:48,000 now get down with the kids and explain the story to teenagers. 6928 03:16:48,000 --> 03:16:49,167 explain the story to teenagers. Don’t you feel better now 6929 03:16:49,167 --> 03:16:50,334 Don’t you feel better now everyone and I hope thank you 6930 03:16:50,334 --> 03:16:51,966 everyone and I hope thank you so much for that, it said 949. 6931 03:16:51,966 --> 03:16:53,967 so much for that, it said 949. 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Start 7078 03:21:17,299 --> 03:21:19,266 ten on Talk radio kick. Start your weekends with me Kevin. 7079 03:21:19,266 --> 03:21:20,833 your weekends with me Kevin. Sullivan outspoken They really 7080 03:21:20,833 --> 03:21:22,799 Sullivan outspoken They really think they’re gonna pull the 7081 03:21:22,799 --> 03:21:24,333 think they’re gonna pull the wall over our eyes with his 7082 03:21:24,333 --> 03:21:25,767 wall over our eyes with his nonsense outrageous people are 7083 03:21:25,767 --> 03:21:28,434 nonsense outrageous people are mad as hell and often out of 7084 03:21:28,434 --> 03:21:32,799 mad as hell and often out of control. 300 390 94.9 399 994 7085 03:21:32,799 --> 03:21:34,799 control. 300 390 94.9 399 994 109 when the big stars talk 7086 03:21:34,799 --> 03:21:36,434 109 when the big stars talk they talk to me on top radio 7087 03:21:36,434 --> 03:21:38,000 they talk to me on top radio Kevin O’Sullivan tomorrow 7088 03:21:38,000 --> 03:21:40,799 Kevin O’Sullivan tomorrow morning from ten on talk radio 7089 03:21:40,799 --> 03:21:44,233 morning from ten on talk radio talk Radio Julia Hartley at 7090 03:21:44,233 --> 03:21:46,834 talk Radio Julia Hartley at breakfast on Top radio Good 7091 03:21:46,834 --> 03:21:48,533 breakfast on Top radio Good morning to you. This is already 7092 03:21:48,533 --> 03:21:49,800 morning to you. This is already a breakfast with me. Julia. I 7093 03:21:49,800 --> 03:21:52,067 a breakfast with me. Julia. I will be testing you all uh on 7094 03:21:52,067 --> 03:21:54,299 will be testing you all uh on the Colleen Rooney story. 7095 03:21:54,299 --> 03:21:55,634 the Colleen Rooney story. Generally, if I even mentioned 7096 03:21:55,634 --> 03:21:57,034 Generally, if I even mentioned those names to my pets, they go 7097 03:21:57,034 --> 03:21:58,367 those names to my pets, they go what are you talking about? 7098 03:21:58,367 --> 03:21:59,267 what are you talking about? You’re just making people up 7099 03:21:59,267 --> 03:22:00,300 You’re just making people up now anyway, Let’s talk about 7100 03:22:00,300 --> 03:22:02,133 now anyway, Let’s talk about much more important things a 7101 03:22:02,133 --> 03:22:03,299 much more important things a lot of talk this morning about 7102 03:22:03,299 --> 03:22:04,800 lot of talk this morning about that public sector pay freeze 7103 03:22:04,800 --> 03:22:06,634 that public sector pay freeze uh for some 4000000 public 7104 03:22:06,634 --> 03:22:07,834 uh for some 4000000 public sector workers, not those in 7105 03:22:07,834 --> 03:22:08,800 sector workers, not those in the NS and now there’ll be an 7106 03:22:08,800 --> 03:22:10,301 the NS and now there’ll be an outcry about that. Oh, it’s 7107 03:22:10,301 --> 03:22:11,334 outcry about that. Oh, it’s outrageous, but you know it’s 7108 03:22:11,334 --> 03:22:12,066 outrageous, but you know it’s just doesn’t seem to be the 7109 03:22:12,066 --> 03:22:13,867 just doesn’t seem to be the outcry that they really should 7110 03:22:13,867 --> 03:22:14,467 outcry that they really should be about the number of uh 7111 03:22:14,467 --> 03:22:15,900 be about the number of uh people who are losing their 7112 03:22:15,900 --> 03:22:16,900 people who are losing their jobs in the private sector, 7113 03:22:16,900 --> 03:22:18,333 jobs in the private sector, quite apart from the millions 7114 03:22:18,333 --> 03:22:19,599 quite apart from the millions who’ve been on on 80% of their 7115 03:22:19,599 --> 03:22:21,667 who’ve been on on 80% of their pay, not pay for 80% of their 7116 03:22:21,667 --> 03:22:23,800 pay, not pay for 80% of their pay or losing their jobs well. 7117 03:22:23,800 --> 03:22:25,534 pay or losing their jobs well. A new set of data collected by 7118 03:22:25,534 --> 03:22:26,334 A new set of data collected by the office for National 7119 03:22:26,334 --> 03:22:27,766 the office for National Statistics is a look at 7120 03:22:27,766 --> 03:22:29,366 Statistics is a look at hospitality firms so hotels 7121 03:22:29,366 --> 03:22:31,867 hospitality firms so hotels bars restaurants, and they’re 7122 03:22:31,867 --> 03:22:32,467 bars restaurants, and they’re basically a third or more of 7123 03:22:32,467 --> 03:22:33,567 basically a third or more of them say they fear they are 7124 03:22:33,567 --> 03:22:35,599 them say they fear they are going to go out of business. 7125 03:22:35,599 --> 03:22:36,834 going to go out of business. They have little or no 7126 03:22:36,834 --> 03:22:38,334 They have little or no confidence of surviving the 7127 03:22:38,334 --> 03:22:39,634 confidence of surviving the next 3 months. Let’s talk to 7128 03:22:39,634 --> 03:22:40,800 next 3 months. Let’s talk to Kate Nichols, the chief 7129 03:22:40,800 --> 03:22:43,300 Kate Nichols, the chief executive of a UK hospitality 7130 03:22:43,300 --> 03:22:43,966 executive of a UK hospitality Good morning to you. Kate Good 7131 03:22:43,966 --> 03:22:45,434 Good morning to you. Kate Good morning, Julie. Oh, I I mean 7132 03:22:45,434 --> 03:22:46,533 morning, Julie. Oh, I I mean the whole way through from word 7133 03:22:46,533 --> 03:22:48,000 the whole way through from word go. We’ve been speaking to you 7134 03:22:48,000 --> 03:22:50,200 go. We’ve been speaking to you about this the horrific uh 7135 03:22:50,200 --> 03:22:51,800 about this the horrific uh effects we’ve seen on the 7136 03:22:51,800 --> 03:22:52,767 effects we’ve seen on the hospitality industry. um this 7137 03:22:52,767 --> 03:22:54,567 hospitality industry. um this is really. Depressed because a 7138 03:22:54,567 --> 03:22:55,867 is really. Depressed because a lot of people think Oh well, 7139 03:22:55,867 --> 03:22:57,933 lot of people think Oh well, we’ve got that fur low money um 7140 03:22:57,933 --> 03:22:59,467 we’ve got that fur low money um lots of more grants and loans 7141 03:22:59,467 --> 03:23:00,933 lots of more grants and loans and uh we never mind mind. 7142 03:23:00,933 --> 03:23:02,267 and uh we never mind mind. we’ll all be and we’ll have the 7143 03:23:02,267 --> 03:23:03,233 we’ll all be and we’ll have the vaccine and everything will be 7144 03:23:03,233 --> 03:23:04,999 vaccine and everything will be fine. There is so much evidence 7145 03:23:04,999 --> 03:23:07,333 fine. There is so much evidence mounting that so much for 7146 03:23:07,333 --> 03:23:08,967 mounting that so much for hospitality uh the local shop, 7147 03:23:08,967 --> 03:23:10,334 hospitality uh the local shop, the local restaurants and pubs 7148 03:23:10,334 --> 03:23:11,767 the local restaurants and pubs and like they’re simply not 7149 03:23:11,767 --> 03:23:13,834 and like they’re simply not gonna survive. I was like no 7150 03:23:13,834 --> 03:23:14,599 gonna survive. I was like no the longer this crisis goes on 7151 03:23:14,599 --> 03:23:15,899 the longer this crisis goes on the harder it is for those 7152 03:23:15,899 --> 03:23:17,767 the harder it is for those businesses to get through this 7153 03:23:17,767 --> 03:23:18,567 businesses to get through this and I think what we have to 7154 03:23:18,567 --> 03:23:19,966 and I think what we have to remember is hospitality never 7155 03:23:19,966 --> 03:23:21,534 remember is hospitality never really came out of locked down 7156 03:23:21,534 --> 03:23:23,133 really came out of locked down so even when we were allowed to 7157 03:23:23,133 --> 03:23:25,634 so even when we were allowed to reopen. In July and August, we 7158 03:23:25,634 --> 03:23:27,933 reopen. In July and August, we were opening with very strict 7159 03:23:27,933 --> 03:23:28,999 were opening with very strict restrictions on social 7160 03:23:28,999 --> 03:23:30,667 restrictions on social distancing, which meant that we 7161 03:23:30,667 --> 03:23:32,766 distancing, which meant that we were operating below 7162 03:23:32,766 --> 03:23:34,300 were operating below profitability and since 7163 03:23:34,300 --> 03:23:35,334 profitability and since September we’ve already had 7164 03:23:35,334 --> 03:23:37,034 September we’ve already had severe restrictions imposed 7165 03:23:37,034 --> 03:23:39,366 severe restrictions imposed again on hospitality before it 7166 03:23:39,366 --> 03:23:39,966 again on hospitality before it went international lockdown, so 7167 03:23:39,966 --> 03:23:41,267 went international lockdown, so these businesses have never had 7168 03:23:41,267 --> 03:23:43,300 these businesses have never had any chance to earn a 7169 03:23:43,300 --> 03:23:43,967 any chance to earn a significant amount of money 7170 03:23:43,967 --> 03:23:45,466 significant amount of money over the course of the whole 7171 03:23:45,466 --> 03:23:47,299 over the course of the whole year and the cash burn for the 7172 03:23:47,299 --> 03:23:49,134 year and the cash burn for the businesses. it is immense so 7173 03:23:49,134 --> 03:23:51,300 businesses. it is immense so surviving surviving a few weeks 7174 03:23:51,300 --> 03:23:51,967 surviving surviving a few weeks in March or April, is one 7175 03:23:51,967 --> 03:23:53,700 in March or April, is one thing, but again even when you 7176 03:23:53,700 --> 03:23:55,399 thing, but again even when you had to eat out to help out at 7177 03:23:55,399 --> 03:23:56,133 had to eat out to help out at the end of the day we are 7178 03:23:56,133 --> 03:23:57,967 the end of the day we are talking about. Businesses that 7179 03:23:57,967 --> 03:23:59,467 talking about. Businesses that are still operating at 50% 7180 03:23:59,467 --> 03:24:01,767 are still operating at 50% capacity are absolutely and so 7181 03:24:01,767 --> 03:24:02,800 capacity are absolutely and so the best that they were able to 7182 03:24:02,800 --> 03:24:04,300 the best that they were able to achieve our best to trading 7183 03:24:04,300 --> 03:24:05,467 achieve our best to trading weeks end of August beginning 7184 03:24:05,467 --> 03:24:06,933 weeks end of August beginning of September before they then 7185 03:24:06,933 --> 03:24:08,334 of September before they then went back into restrictions 7186 03:24:08,334 --> 03:24:10,834 went back into restrictions that was still minus 20% so 7187 03:24:10,834 --> 03:24:12,567 that was still minus 20% so that is below profit so these 7188 03:24:12,567 --> 03:24:14,967 that is below profit so these businesses have no money. It’s 7189 03:24:14,967 --> 03:24:16,767 businesses have no money. It’s costing them a half a billion 7190 03:24:16,767 --> 03:24:18,933 costing them a half a billion pounds a month in locked down 7191 03:24:18,933 --> 03:24:20,334 pounds a month in locked down just as a cash burn for being 7192 03:24:20,334 --> 03:24:22,033 just as a cash burn for being closed, It costs them to be 7193 03:24:22,033 --> 03:24:23,599 closed, It costs them to be closed uh and therefore, you 7194 03:24:23,599 --> 03:24:25,133 closed uh and therefore, you know increasingly they’re 7195 03:24:25,133 --> 03:24:26,500 know increasingly they’re looking at viability so the 7196 03:24:26,500 --> 03:24:28,500 looking at viability so the headline. Stack from the OS is 7197 03:24:28,500 --> 03:24:29,967 headline. Stack from the OS is that one in three of our 7198 03:24:29,967 --> 03:24:31,533 that one in three of our businesses don’t think that 7199 03:24:31,533 --> 03:24:33,766 businesses don’t think that they’ll survive uh beyond March 7200 03:24:33,766 --> 03:24:34,800 they’ll survive uh beyond March with if these current 7201 03:24:34,800 --> 03:24:36,434 with if these current restrictions continue for that 7202 03:24:36,434 --> 03:24:37,800 restrictions continue for that length of time, actually even 7203 03:24:37,800 --> 03:24:38,800 length of time, actually even going back into the tear 7204 03:24:38,800 --> 03:24:40,999 going back into the tear system, it jumps to 75% of our 7205 03:24:40,999 --> 03:24:42,833 system, it jumps to 75% of our businesses. Don’t think they’ll 7206 03:24:42,833 --> 03:24:44,500 businesses. Don’t think they’ll survive until two um and that’s 7207 03:24:44,500 --> 03:24:47,100 survive until two um and that’s the I know no one is expecting 7208 03:24:47,100 --> 03:24:47,700 the I know no one is expecting anywhere in the country 7209 03:24:47,700 --> 03:24:48,700 anywhere in the country realistically to be tied to and 7210 03:24:48,700 --> 03:24:49,834 realistically to be tied to and we got an a maybe on the off 7211 03:24:49,834 --> 03:24:51,399 we got an a maybe on the off chance some parts of Devon and 7212 03:24:51,399 --> 03:24:52,967 chance some parts of Devon and but realistic most of the 7213 03:24:52,967 --> 03:24:54,167 but realistic most of the country was expecting is gonna 7214 03:24:54,167 --> 03:24:56,000 country was expecting is gonna be in T three for pretty much 7215 03:24:56,000 --> 03:24:58,267 be in T three for pretty much most. Of December and January, 7216 03:24:58,267 --> 03:25:00,233 most. Of December and January, yes, so you know at those 7217 03:25:00,233 --> 03:25:01,300 yes, so you know at those levels of restrictions, you’re 7218 03:25:01,300 --> 03:25:02,334 levels of restrictions, you’re going to see you know sort of 7219 03:25:02,334 --> 03:25:04,634 going to see you know sort of even higher levels of business 7220 03:25:04,634 --> 03:25:05,933 even higher levels of business failure Business insolvency and 7221 03:25:05,933 --> 03:25:08,200 failure Business insolvency and we have a million people in the 7222 03:25:08,200 --> 03:25:09,934 we have a million people in the sector who are on full fur at 7223 03:25:09,934 --> 03:25:11,334 sector who are on full fur at the moment so those jobs are 7224 03:25:11,334 --> 03:25:13,734 the moment so those jobs are immediately at risk so people 7225 03:25:13,734 --> 03:25:15,434 immediately at risk so people are that the economic 7226 03:25:15,434 --> 03:25:16,767 are that the economic devastation that has gone 7227 03:25:16,767 --> 03:25:17,966 devastation that has gone through our towns and cities 7228 03:25:17,966 --> 03:25:20,267 through our towns and cities and communities is masked by 7229 03:25:20,267 --> 03:25:21,067 and communities is masked by Flo at the moment, but it will 7230 03:25:21,067 --> 03:25:22,634 Flo at the moment, but it will become apparent in January when 7231 03:25:22,634 --> 03:25:24,834 become apparent in January when we see businesses that don’t 7232 03:25:24,834 --> 03:25:26,467 we see businesses that don’t reopen our high street. Will be 7233 03:25:26,467 --> 03:25:27,967 reopen our high street. Will be empty and deserted uh and you 7234 03:25:27,967 --> 03:25:30,233 empty and deserted uh and you have largely scale job losses 7235 03:25:30,233 --> 03:25:31,966 have largely scale job losses and this I mean this is the 7236 03:25:31,966 --> 03:25:33,199 and this I mean this is the reality that a lot of people 7237 03:25:33,199 --> 03:25:34,767 reality that a lot of people just say well, we’re all stay 7238 03:25:34,767 --> 03:25:35,800 just say well, we’re all stay home for a bit and then 7239 03:25:35,800 --> 03:25:37,799 home for a bit and then everything will be okay. Um you 7240 03:25:37,799 --> 03:25:38,500 everything will be okay. Um you know, it’s not just your local 7241 03:25:38,500 --> 03:25:39,967 know, it’s not just your local pub. It’s it’s you know in the 7242 03:25:39,967 --> 03:25:41,934 pub. It’s it’s you know in the futures of people in your local 7243 03:25:41,934 --> 03:25:43,533 futures of people in your local without a job. um listen the 7244 03:25:43,533 --> 03:25:45,067 without a job. um listen the knock on effects of this uh for 7245 03:25:45,067 --> 03:25:46,300 knock on effects of this uh for the cost for everyone else and 7246 03:25:46,300 --> 03:25:47,567 the cost for everyone else and the cost for those families 7247 03:25:47,567 --> 03:25:48,933 the cost for those families losing their jobs losing their 7248 03:25:48,933 --> 03:25:50,500 losing their jobs losing their homes. No other job to go to 7249 03:25:50,500 --> 03:25:52,000 homes. No other job to go to they are epic aren’t they they 7250 03:25:52,000 --> 03:25:53,500 they are epic aren’t they they really are they are. I mean 7251 03:25:53,500 --> 03:25:54,700 really are they are. I mean you’ve got you’ve got 3.2000000 7252 03:25:54,700 --> 03:25:56,834 you’ve got you’ve got 3.2000000 people who. Were employed in 7253 03:25:56,834 --> 03:25:59,267 people who. Were employed in hospitality and about 150000 7254 03:25:59,267 --> 03:25:59,967 hospitality and about 150000 businesses across the country, 7255 03:25:59,967 --> 03:26:01,533 businesses across the country, but they have behind them a 7256 03:26:01,533 --> 03:26:03,766 but they have behind them a huge supply chain. The local 7257 03:26:03,766 --> 03:26:05,733 huge supply chain. The local butcher fish monger uh plumbers 7258 03:26:05,733 --> 03:26:07,399 butcher fish monger uh plumbers electricians builders. It’s 7259 03:26:07,399 --> 03:26:09,299 electricians builders. It’s it’s immense ecosystem and it 7260 03:26:09,299 --> 03:26:11,267 it’s immense ecosystem and it has a knock-on effect not just 7261 03:26:11,267 --> 03:26:12,766 has a knock-on effect not just economically but on our 7262 03:26:12,766 --> 03:26:13,399 economically but on our community. so you know the 7263 03:26:13,399 --> 03:26:15,399 community. so you know the local pub is where people go 7264 03:26:15,399 --> 03:26:16,767 local pub is where people go for community activities. Many 7265 03:26:16,767 --> 03:26:18,299 for community activities. Many elderly people go there in 7266 03:26:18,299 --> 03:26:19,867 elderly people go there in order to have uh somebody to 7267 03:26:19,867 --> 03:26:21,567 order to have uh somebody to talk to during their day. We go 7268 03:26:21,567 --> 03:26:22,967 talk to during their day. We go there to celebrate all the 7269 03:26:22,967 --> 03:26:26,467 there to celebrate all the keystone uh life. Uh that we 7270 03:26:26,467 --> 03:26:27,967 keystone uh life. Uh that we have all those big celebrations 7271 03:26:27,967 --> 03:26:29,334 have all those big celebrations without that you don’t have 7272 03:26:29,334 --> 03:26:30,767 without that you don’t have that hub of the community. you 7273 03:26:30,767 --> 03:26:32,800 that hub of the community. you don’t have that support support 7274 03:26:32,800 --> 03:26:34,800 don’t have that support support network socially so the impact 7275 03:26:34,800 --> 03:26:37,500 network socially so the impact will be far wide. Absolutely 7276 03:26:37,500 --> 03:26:38,700 will be far wide. Absolutely you’ve been worrying about this 7277 03:26:38,700 --> 03:26:39,333 you’ve been worrying about this the whole time and I’m I’m 7278 03:26:39,333 --> 03:26:40,767 the whole time and I’m I’m always glad to have you on 7279 03:26:40,767 --> 03:26:41,466 always glad to have you on representing that sector and 7280 03:26:41,466 --> 03:26:42,834 representing that sector and again we are we are doing our 7281 03:26:42,834 --> 03:26:44,234 again we are we are doing our best to try and argue against 7282 03:26:44,234 --> 03:26:46,599 best to try and argue against this madness. Nichols to of UK 7283 03:26:46,599 --> 03:26:48,166 this madness. Nichols to of UK hospitality and Mike Graham is 7284 03:26:48,166 --> 03:26:50,434 hospitality and Mike Graham is here um you know again. that’s 7285 03:26:50,434 --> 03:26:51,100 here um you know again. that’s some of the realities of where 7286 03:26:51,100 --> 03:26:52,699 some of the realities of where we are right now and everyone 7287 03:26:52,699 --> 03:26:53,533 we are right now and everyone go. Oh, we’re gonna get a 7288 03:26:53,533 --> 03:26:55,734 go. Oh, we’re gonna get a vaccine. isn’t it great. What 7289 03:26:55,734 --> 03:26:56,334 vaccine. isn’t it great. What are we gonna be coming out 7290 03:26:56,334 --> 03:26:58,301 are we gonna be coming out exactly right and also people 7291 03:26:58,301 --> 03:26:58,967 exactly right and also people always make the mistake of 7292 03:26:58,967 --> 03:27:00,267 always make the mistake of thinking. Oh, it’s all you 7293 03:27:00,267 --> 03:27:01,399 thinking. Oh, it’s all you people who just wanna go out. 7294 03:27:01,399 --> 03:27:02,733 people who just wanna go out. You know there are millions of 7295 03:27:02,733 --> 03:27:04,299 You know there are millions of people who depend upon 7296 03:27:04,299 --> 03:27:06,399 people who depend upon hospitality for for one of our 7297 03:27:06,399 --> 03:27:07,767 hospitality for for one of our biggest industries. It really 7298 03:27:07,767 --> 03:27:08,399 biggest industries. It really is and it’s extraordinary that 7299 03:27:08,399 --> 03:27:09,667 is and it’s extraordinary that people think that you can just 7300 03:27:09,667 --> 03:27:10,834 people think that you can just close it all down and just 7301 03:27:10,834 --> 03:27:12,000 close it all down and just think everything will be fine. 7302 03:27:12,000 --> 03:27:12,700 think everything will be fine. but yeah. but then I mean like 7303 03:27:12,700 --> 03:27:14,467 but yeah. but then I mean like I don’t want people to be um 7304 03:27:14,467 --> 03:27:15,767 I don’t want people to be um not having pay freezes, but 7305 03:27:15,767 --> 03:27:16,399 not having pay freezes, but there’s the bleeding that it’s 7306 03:27:16,399 --> 03:27:18,434 there’s the bleeding that it’s gonna be about the public 7307 03:27:18,434 --> 03:27:18,999 gonna be about the public sector pay freeze. Yeah when 7308 03:27:18,999 --> 03:27:20,400 sector pay freeze. Yeah when people are losing their jobs, 7309 03:27:20,400 --> 03:27:21,799 people are losing their jobs, there’s millions of not having 7310 03:27:21,799 --> 03:27:22,533 there’s millions of not having their full pay as you as you 7311 03:27:22,533 --> 03:27:23,901 their full pay as you as you pointed out earlier, you know. 7312 03:27:23,901 --> 03:27:25,301 pointed out earlier, you know. Many people in the public 7313 03:27:25,301 --> 03:27:25,834 Many people in the public sector have actually not done 7314 03:27:25,834 --> 03:27:27,967 sector have actually not done too badly over recent times, 7315 03:27:27,967 --> 03:27:29,233 too badly over recent times, you know they’ve had pay rises. 7316 03:27:29,233 --> 03:27:29,967 you know they’ve had pay rises. They’ve had you know 7317 03:27:29,967 --> 03:27:31,800 They’ve had you know conditions, which are probably 7318 03:27:31,800 --> 03:27:33,533 conditions, which are probably better than people who are 7319 03:27:33,533 --> 03:27:34,267 better than people who are worried about losing their job. 7320 03:27:34,267 --> 03:27:34,800 worried about losing their job. It’s generally speaking if 7321 03:27:34,800 --> 03:27:35,967 It’s generally speaking if you’re in the public sector, 7322 03:27:35,967 --> 03:27:37,301 you’re in the public sector, you’re not gonna lose your job 7323 03:27:37,301 --> 03:27:38,000 you’re not gonna lose your job anytime soon the job security. 7324 03:27:38,000 --> 03:27:40,334 anytime soon the job security. I remember that I’d I’d II 7325 03:27:40,334 --> 03:27:41,967 I remember that I’d I’d II arrive everyday expected to be 7326 03:27:41,967 --> 03:27:43,167 arrive everyday expected to be sacked. It’s the best way um 7327 03:27:43,167 --> 03:27:44,533 sacked. It’s the best way um well, one of the phone rings. I 7328 03:27:44,533 --> 03:27:45,934 well, one of the phone rings. I think that’s it do you think 7329 03:27:45,934 --> 03:27:47,199 think that’s it do you think we’ve both got guilty. You 7330 03:27:47,199 --> 03:27:48,500 we’ve both got guilty. You know, maybe you know. that’s 7331 03:27:48,500 --> 03:27:49,900 know, maybe you know. that’s that’s a lot We. we are so over 7332 03:27:49,900 --> 03:27:51,933 that’s a lot We. we are so over time. Yes, I do this every 7333 03:27:51,933 --> 03:27:52,500 time. Yes, I do this every single time you might remember 7334 03:27:52,500 --> 03:27:53,967 single time you might remember yesterday just very quickly um 7335 03:27:53,967 --> 03:27:55,967 yesterday just very quickly um to just to prove that twenty is 7336 03:27:55,967 --> 03:27:57,666 to just to prove that twenty is the year from hell uh after I 7337 03:27:57,666 --> 03:27:59,267 the year from hell uh after I highlight. The fact that the 7338 03:27:59,267 --> 03:28:00,766 highlight. The fact that the Pos Christmas Fairy tale in New 7339 03:28:00,766 --> 03:28:01,966 Pos Christmas Fairy tale in New York, so I wasn’t gonna be 7340 03:28:01,966 --> 03:28:03,567 York, so I wasn’t gonna be played on the radio one. You 7341 03:28:03,567 --> 03:28:04,834 played on the radio one. You know what happened The Pos have 7342 03:28:04,834 --> 03:28:06,667 know what happened The Pos have blocked me. I know I saw can 7343 03:28:06,667 --> 03:28:07,767 blocked me. I know I saw can you believe that they called 7344 03:28:07,767 --> 03:28:10,000 you believe that they called you some and Lauren’s Lawrence. 7345 03:28:10,000 --> 03:28:11,333 you some and Lauren’s Lawrence. They didn’t call me any names 7346 03:28:11,333 --> 03:28:12,000 They didn’t call me any names They didn’t actually come at me 7347 03:28:12,000 --> 03:28:13,267 They didn’t actually come at me cuz I didn’t know they blocked 7348 03:28:13,267 --> 03:28:14,467 cuz I didn’t know they blocked me until I went to see what 7349 03:28:14,467 --> 03:28:15,833 me until I went to see what they said about people who are 7350 03:28:15,833 --> 03:28:18,300 they said about people who are coming out defending uh 7351 03:28:18,300 --> 03:28:19,934 coming out defending uh songwriters their music should 7352 03:28:19,934 --> 03:28:23,233 songwriters their music should not be censored. The yes and 7353 03:28:23,233 --> 03:28:23,967 not be censored. The yes and you’ve been blocked. Yes. so 7354 03:28:23,967 --> 03:28:26,133 you’ve been blocked. Yes. so I’m now renaming the PS of the 7355 03:28:26,133 --> 03:28:28,133 I’m now renaming the PS of the planks. It’s gonna be 7356 03:28:28,133 --> 03:28:29,399 planks. It’s gonna be brilliant. It’s 10 o’clock. I’m 7357 03:28:29,399 --> 03:28:30,666 brilliant. It’s 10 o’clock. I’m so late. um I don’t know why 7358 03:28:30,666 --> 03:28:31,966 so late. um I don’t know why I’m still talking. I’m not even 7359 03:28:31,966 --> 03:28:32,766 I’m still talking. I’m not even being paid right now. I’m on 7360 03:28:32,766 --> 03:28:34,267 being paid right now. I’m on your show um I’ll be back at 7361 03:28:34,267 --> 03:28:35,967 your show um I’ll be back at 6:30 on Monday morning. We’re 7362 03:28:35,967 --> 03:28:36,900 6:30 on Monday morning. We’re gonna keep the good fight going 7363 03:28:36,900 --> 03:28:39,434 gonna keep the good fight going folks. We really are this is 7364 03:28:39,434 --> 03:28:43,367 folks. 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Headlines Good morning I’m 7463 03:31:55,966 --> 03:31:57,899 the. Headlines Good morning I’m Ross Powell on the way at ten 7464 03:31:57,899 --> 03:31:59,767 Ross Powell on the way at ten Hancock defense for bullying 7465 03:31:59,767 --> 03:32:00,799 Hancock defense for bullying claims millions of public 7466 03:32:00,799 --> 03:32:02,400 claims millions of public sector workers face a pay 7467 03:32:02,400 --> 03:32:03,899 sector workers face a pay freeze and suffer Scottish 7468 03:32:03,899 --> 03:32:05,966 freeze and suffer Scottish coronavirus measures coming to 7469 03:32:05,966 --> 03:32:07,966 coronavirus measures coming to force from six talk Radio The 7470 03:32:07,966 --> 03:32:10,333 force from six talk Radio The news it’s reported an 7471 03:32:10,333 --> 03:32:11,966 news it’s reported an investigation into claims of 7472 03:32:11,966 --> 03:32:13,899 investigation into claims of bullying by home secretary 7473 03:32:13,899 --> 03:32:15,899 bullying by home secretary broke the ministerial code a 7474 03:32:15,899 --> 03:32:17,200 broke the ministerial code a cabinets office investigation 7475 03:32:17,200 --> 03:32:17,966 cabinets office investigation investigation was launched 7476 03:32:17,966 --> 03:32:18,600 investigation was launched March over allegations that 7477 03:32:18,600 --> 03:32:20,266 March over allegations that Miss Patel belittled colleagues 7478 03:32:20,266 --> 03:32:22,300 Miss Patel belittled colleagues and crash with senior officials 7479 03:32:22,300 --> 03:32:23,767 and crash with senior officials claimed that she denies several 7480 03:32:23,767 --> 03:32:25,200 claimed that she denies several conservative colleagues have 7481 03:32:25,200 --> 03:32:26,333 conservative colleagues have come out to defend this Patel, 7482 03:32:26,333 --> 03:32:27,433 come out to defend this Patel, including the health secretary, 7483 03:32:27,433 --> 03:32:28,699 including the health secretary, Matt Hancock, nobody seen the 7484 03:32:28,699 --> 03:32:31,899 Matt Hancock, nobody seen the report uh. Uh it hasn’t been 7485 03:32:31,899 --> 03:32:32,833 report uh. Uh it hasn’t been published uh so obviously I 7486 03:32:32,833 --> 03:32:34,000 published uh so obviously I can’t comment on that what I 7487 03:32:34,000 --> 03:32:35,634 can’t comment on that what I can tell you is what I know 7488 03:32:35,634 --> 03:32:37,899 can tell you is what I know about pretty and uh and I know 7489 03:32:37,899 --> 03:32:39,966 about pretty and uh and I know that she’s uh she’s incredibly 7490 03:32:39,966 --> 03:32:41,200 that she’s uh she’s incredibly courteous millions of public 7491 03:32:41,200 --> 03:32:42,400 courteous millions of public sector workers are facing a pay 7492 03:32:42,400 --> 03:32:44,000 sector workers are facing a pay freeze for a year is the chance 7493 03:32:44,000 --> 03:32:45,899 freeze for a year is the chance to attempts to tackle the huge 7494 03:32:45,899 --> 03:32:46,699 to attempts to tackle the huge huge financial hit by the 7495 03:32:46,699 --> 03:32:48,099 huge financial hit by the Corona virus those working on 7496 03:32:48,099 --> 03:32:49,866 Corona virus those working on the NS front line, however, 7497 03:32:49,866 --> 03:32:51,266 the NS front line, however, will be exempt. It’s for the 7498 03:32:51,266 --> 03:32:51,966 will be exempt. It’s for the move will save 2000000000 7499 03:32:51,966 --> 03:32:54,099 move will save 2000000000 pounds, but Gail Carmel from 7500 03:32:54,099 --> 03:32:55,634 pounds, but Gail Carmel from the Unite Union says. It’s a 7501 03:32:55,634 --> 03:32:56,799 the Unite Union says. It’s a huge mistake. It’s not that we 7502 03:32:56,799 --> 03:32:58,434 huge mistake. It’s not that we can’t afford to do this. It’s 7503 03:32:58,434 --> 03:33:02,300 can’t afford to do this. It’s that we cannot. Afford not to 7504 03:33:02,300 --> 03:33:05,034 that we cannot. Afford not to properly help out these public 7505 03:33:05,034 --> 03:33:07,266 properly help out these public sector workers because they’re 7506 03:33:07,266 --> 03:33:08,799 sector workers because they’re leaving with their feet in some 7507 03:33:08,799 --> 03:33:10,300 leaving with their feet in some instances and we’ve got 7508 03:33:10,300 --> 03:33:12,166 instances and we’ve got shortages covet nineteen is at 7509 03:33:12,166 --> 03:33:13,866 shortages covet nineteen is at a disproportionate impact on 7510 03:33:13,866 --> 03:33:15,266 a disproportionate impact on women, according to a new 7511 03:33:15,266 --> 03:33:16,000 women, according to a new report published on equal 7512 03:33:16,000 --> 03:33:17,433 report published on equal payday, The full set society 7513 03:33:17,433 --> 03:33:19,266 payday, The full set society found that nearly half of 7514 03:33:19,266 --> 03:33:20,099 found that nearly half of working women are worried about 7515 03:33:20,099 --> 03:33:21,634 working women are worried about job promotion and one in three 7516 03:33:21,634 --> 03:33:23,266 job promotion and one in three working mothers have lost work 7517 03:33:23,266 --> 03:33:24,799 working mothers have lost work hours due to child care. Mary 7518 03:33:24,799 --> 03:33:26,400 hours due to child care. Mary Ann Stevenson is the director 7519 03:33:26,400 --> 03:33:27,966 Ann Stevenson is the director of UK Women’s Budget group, she 7520 03:33:27,966 --> 03:33:29,634 of UK Women’s Budget group, she says the effect. Of the 7521 03:33:29,634 --> 03:33:30,799 says the effect. Of the pandemic and women’s jobs is 7522 03:33:30,799 --> 03:33:33,034 pandemic and women’s jobs is extremely concerning 7523 03:33:33,034 --> 03:33:33,800 extremely concerning Working-class women in 7524 03:33:33,800 --> 03:33:34,699 Working-class women in particular have been hit for 7525 03:33:34,699 --> 03:33:35,966 particular have been hit for his been the search by 7526 03:33:35,966 --> 03:33:37,200 his been the search by academics at the universities 7527 03:33:37,200 --> 03:33:38,400 academics at the universities of War and Nottingham showing 7528 03:33:38,400 --> 03:33:41,200 of War and Nottingham showing um during April 43% of working 7529 03:33:41,200 --> 03:33:42,400 um during April 43% of working class women did no hours of 7530 03:33:42,400 --> 03:33:44,733 class women did no hours of work at all, um as a result of 7531 03:33:44,733 --> 03:33:46,766 work at all, um as a result of Corona virus um and so we’re 7532 03:33:46,766 --> 03:33:49,366 Corona virus um and so we’re we’re starting to see that now 7533 03:33:49,366 --> 03:33:51,866 we’re starting to see that now play out in women’s future job 7534 03:33:51,866 --> 03:33:52,799 play out in women’s future job prospects, which is really 7535 03:33:52,799 --> 03:33:54,333 prospects, which is really worrying and more than 2000000 7536 03:33:54,333 --> 03:33:55,200 worrying and more than 2000000 people in Scotland are 7537 03:33:55,200 --> 03:33:55,966 people in Scotland are preparing to move to the 7538 03:33:55,966 --> 03:33:57,466 preparing to move to the country’s toughest tear of 7539 03:33:57,466 --> 03:33:58,699 country’s toughest tear of coronavirus restrictions level 7540 03:33:58,699 --> 03:34:00,000 coronavirus restrictions level four rules will come into force 7541 03:34:00,000 --> 03:34:01,800 four rules will come into force today at 6 o’clock this evening 7542 03:34:01,800 --> 03:34:03,034 today at 6 o’clock this evening and eleven council areas, 7543 03:34:03,034 --> 03:34:04,600 and eleven council areas, including Glasgow, sterling and 7544 03:34:04,600 --> 03:34:08,799 including Glasgow, sterling and much. Talk Radio national 7545 03:34:08,799 --> 03:34:10,199 much. Talk Radio national weather Some heavy rain set to 7546 03:34:10,199 --> 03:34:11,000 weather Some heavy rain set to move from west to east across 7547 03:34:11,000 --> 03:34:12,833 move from west to east across the UK This morning. It’ll be 7548 03:34:12,833 --> 03:34:14,400 the UK This morning. It’ll be mainly wet in just the east of 7549 03:34:14,400 --> 03:34:15,899 mainly wet in just the east of England by the afternoon highs 7550 03:34:15,899 --> 03:34:22,333 England by the afternoon highs of 12° Talk radio. I spy 7551 03:34:22,333 --> 03:34:25,466 of 12° Talk radio. I spy something beginning with T is 7552 03:34:25,466 --> 03:34:29,200 something beginning with T is it the new Volkswagen Tiguan 7553 03:34:29,200 --> 03:34:31,899 it the new Volkswagen Tiguan online with the elegant leather 7554 03:34:31,899 --> 03:34:33,466 online with the elegant leather multi-function steering wheel 7555 03:34:33,466 --> 03:34:35,800 multi-function steering wheel wireless app Connect Sleep IQ 7556 03:34:35,800 --> 03:34:37,266 wireless app Connect Sleep IQ Line matrix beam headlights 7557 03:34:37,266 --> 03:34:39,800 Line matrix beam headlights soft thirty color ambient 7558 03:34:39,800 --> 03:34:42,333 soft thirty color ambient lighting and a set of glossy 7559 03:34:42,333 --> 03:34:47,466 lighting and a set of glossy nineteen-inch alloy wheels. No0 7560 03:34:47,466 --> 03:34:48,567 nineteen-inch alloy wheels. No0 Did I have the twenty-inch 7561 03:34:48,567 --> 03:34:51,034 Did I have the twenty-inch wheels the new Volkswagen. One 7562 03:34:51,034 --> 03:34:53,299 wheels the new Volkswagen. One full of reasons to get excited, 7563 03:34:53,299 --> 03:34:55,034 full of reasons to get excited, contact your local retailer 7564 03:34:55,034 --> 03:34:56,099 contact your local retailer today. Some features mentioned 7565 03:34:56,099 --> 03:34:58,866 today. Some features mentioned not standard, but available as 7566 03:34:58,866 --> 03:35:01,266 not standard, but available as additional cost across the UK 7567 03:35:01,266 --> 03:35:03,200 additional cost across the UK online on D and on your smart 7568 03:35:03,200 --> 03:35:05,266 online on D and on your smart speaker, the Independent 7569 03:35:05,266 --> 03:35:09,634 speaker, the Independent Republic of Mike Graham 7570 03:35:10,434 --> 03:35:13,799 on Talk radio. 7571 03:35:13,799 --> 03:35:13,866 on Talk radio. Good mornin 7572 03:35:13,866 --> 03:35:15,301 Good morning and welcome to the 7573 03:35:15,301 --> 03:35:16,334 Good morning and welcome to the Independent Republic of Mike 7574 03:35:16,334 --> 03:35:17,933 Independent Republic of Mike right here on Talk Radio. We 7575 03:35:17,933 --> 03:35:19,333 right here on Talk Radio. We have reached the end of yet 7576 03:35:19,333 --> 03:35:20,334 have reached the end of yet another extraordinary week 7577 03:35:20,334 --> 03:35:21,733 another extraordinary week ladies and gentlemen in the 7578 03:35:21,733 --> 03:35:22,901 ladies and gentlemen in the independent Republic and 7579 03:35:22,901 --> 03:35:24,300 independent Republic and outside of it. so let us pause 7580 03:35:24,300 --> 03:35:26,133 outside of it. so let us pause and take stock of exactly where 7581 03:35:26,133 --> 03:35:27,567 and take stock of exactly where we are in Scotland huge sways 7582 03:35:27,567 --> 03:35:29,767 we are in Scotland huge sways of the most popular areas are 7583 03:35:29,767 --> 03:35:31,133 of the most popular areas are going into lockdown 7584 03:35:31,133 --> 03:35:32,467 going into lockdown restrictions as of today and 7585 03:35:32,467 --> 03:35:33,567 restrictions as of today and you can’t even travel across 7586 03:35:33,567 --> 03:35:35,667 you can’t even travel across Adrian’s wall after 6 PM if 7587 03:35:35,667 --> 03:35:36,700 Adrian’s wall after 6 PM if you’re coming from England in 7588 03:35:36,700 --> 03:35:37,967 you’re coming from England in Northern Ireland, they’re so 7589 03:35:37,967 --> 03:35:38,933 Northern Ireland, they’re so convinced the lock down is a 7590 03:35:38,933 --> 03:35:39,700 convinced the lock down is a good idea. They’ve extended it 7591 03:35:39,700 --> 03:35:41,500 good idea. They’ve extended it for another 2 weeks. That’s how 7592 03:35:41,500 --> 03:35:42,033 for another 2 weeks. That’s how much they like it. I’ve 7593 03:35:42,033 --> 03:35:42,900 much they like it. I’ve completely missed what’s going 7594 03:35:42,900 --> 03:35:44,800 completely missed what’s going on. Also, if anybody can tell 7595 03:35:44,800 --> 03:35:46,333 on. Also, if anybody can tell me, please do let me know uh 7596 03:35:46,333 --> 03:35:47,967 me, please do let me know uh tidbit of course, get the 7597 03:35:47,967 --> 03:35:49,300 tidbit of course, get the highest infection rate in 7598 03:35:49,300 --> 03:35:50,467 highest infection rate in Britain while they were in 7599 03:35:50,467 --> 03:35:51,667 Britain while they were in locked down and in England, 7600 03:35:51,667 --> 03:35:53,100 locked down and in England, Boris Johnson and his ministers 7601 03:35:53,100 --> 03:35:53,733 Boris Johnson and his ministers are teasing us with the 7602 03:35:53,733 --> 03:35:55,500 are teasing us with the possibility of having a few 7603 03:35:55,500 --> 03:35:56,901 possibility of having a few days of freedom for Christmas. 7604 03:35:56,901 --> 03:35:58,267 days of freedom for Christmas. marvelous isn’t it. Meanwhile, 7605 03:35:58,267 --> 03:35:59,500 marvelous isn’t it. Meanwhile, there’s an entirely different 7606 03:35:59,500 --> 03:36:00,766 there’s an entirely different conversation being had in other 7607 03:36:00,766 --> 03:36:01,767 conversation being had in other sectors of the medical 7608 03:36:01,767 --> 03:36:03,766 sectors of the medical community outside of Sage about 7609 03:36:03,766 --> 03:36:05,500 community outside of Sage about immunity about T cells about 7610 03:36:05,500 --> 03:36:07,634 immunity about T cells about measuring rates of fatality and 7611 03:36:07,634 --> 03:36:09,433 measuring rates of fatality and about the accuracy of all the 7612 03:36:09,433 --> 03:36:10,599 about the accuracy of all the testing that we are basing all 7613 03:36:10,599 --> 03:36:11,834 testing that we are basing all of these restrictions on we’ll 7614 03:36:11,834 --> 03:36:13,167 of these restrictions on we’ll be talking to digestive 7615 03:36:13,167 --> 03:36:17,600 be talking to digestive pathology. Claire 03491 7616 03:36:17,600 --> 03:36:18,466 pathology. Claire 03491 thousand is the number to call 7617 03:36:18,466 --> 03:36:19,500 thousand is the number to call us so I’m just approved twenty 7618 03:36:19,500 --> 03:36:21,634 us so I’m just approved twenty has indeed well and truly lost 7619 03:36:21,634 --> 03:36:22,900 has indeed well and truly lost the block. I’ve now been 7620 03:36:22,900 --> 03:36:24,434 the block. I’ve now been blocked by the posts on Twitter 7621 03:36:24,434 --> 03:36:25,833 blocked by the posts on Twitter as after I spent I spent most 7622 03:36:25,833 --> 03:36:27,567 as after I spent I spent most of show declaring how ludicrous 7623 03:36:27,567 --> 03:36:29,334 of show declaring how ludicrous it was, but radio wants to ban 7624 03:36:29,334 --> 03:36:30,066 it was, but radio wants to ban Fairy tale of New York. 7625 03:36:30,066 --> 03:36:31,634 Fairy tale of New York. apparently they’re now against 7626 03:36:31,634 --> 03:36:33,567 apparently they’re now against people who think the original 7627 03:36:33,567 --> 03:36:35,301 people who think the original lyrics are maybe they should 7628 03:36:35,301 --> 03:36:37,366 lyrics are maybe they should rename themselves the or 7629 03:36:37,366 --> 03:36:39,100 rename themselves the or possibly the planks. We’ll be 7630 03:36:39,100 --> 03:36:41,500 possibly the planks. We’ll be asking Emily about why this has 7631 03:36:41,500 --> 03:36:42,333 asking Emily about why this has been so bizarre when it comes 7632 03:36:42,333 --> 03:36:46,301 been so bizarre when it comes to people being. Correct 03491 7633 03:36:46,301 --> 03:36:47,599 to people being. Correct 03491 thousand we’ll be bringing you 7634 03:36:47,599 --> 03:36:49,133 thousand we’ll be bringing you the latest on the pretty Patel 7635 03:36:49,133 --> 03:36:50,434 the latest on the pretty Patel bullying claims News on your 7636 03:36:50,434 --> 03:36:51,667 bullying claims News on your forgotten pensions a public 7637 03:36:51,667 --> 03:36:52,800 forgotten pensions a public sector pay freeze, and of 7638 03:36:52,800 --> 03:36:55,399 sector pay freeze, and of course Olivia with her take on 7639 03:36:55,399 --> 03:36:56,000 course Olivia with her take on the week, and if you’ve been 7640 03:36:56,000 --> 03:36:56,800 the week, and if you’ve been trying to get hold of a pfive 7641 03:36:56,800 --> 03:36:58,267 trying to get hold of a pfive for one of your kids, you’ll 7642 03:36:58,267 --> 03:36:59,667 for one of your kids, you’ll know that that’s one of the 7643 03:36:59,667 --> 03:37:00,100 know that that’s one of the stories he might be touching 7644 03:37:00,100 --> 03:37:02,267 stories he might be touching upon as well. Uh because it’s 7645 03:37:02,267 --> 03:37:03,966 upon as well. Uh because it’s Friday it’s time for another 7646 03:37:03,966 --> 03:37:05,133 Friday it’s time for another sparkling edition of the awards 7647 03:37:05,133 --> 03:37:06,667 sparkling edition of the awards and I’m asked to my brilliance 7648 03:37:06,667 --> 03:37:07,966 and I’m asked to my brilliance in broadcasting where I don’t 7649 03:37:07,966 --> 03:37:09,100 in broadcasting where I don’t make any mistakes till uh 7650 03:37:09,100 --> 03:37:10,867 make any mistakes till uh honestly that’s with the 7651 03:37:10,867 --> 03:37:12,199 honestly that’s with the producer you’ll listen to me my 7652 03:37:12,199 --> 03:37:14,200 producer you’ll listen to me my grandmother. Great radio 7653 03:37:14,200 --> 03:37:15,933 grandmother. Great radio station on the entire planet. 7654 03:37:15,933 --> 03:37:18,399 station on the entire planet. It is of course to radio mid 7655 03:37:18,399 --> 03:37:20,799 It is of course to radio mid morning with Mike Graham Cork 7656 03:37:20,799 --> 03:37:22,733 morning with Mike Graham Cork Radio Now there are many 7657 03:37:22,733 --> 03:37:23,900 Radio Now there are many questions and there are very 7658 03:37:23,900 --> 03:37:25,733 questions and there are very few answers these days about an 7659 03:37:25,733 --> 03:37:26,599 few answers these days about an awful lot of what is going on. 7660 03:37:26,599 --> 03:37:28,734 awful lot of what is going on. We are now into officially the 7661 03:37:28,734 --> 03:37:29,599 We are now into officially the third week of lock down Uh 7662 03:37:29,599 --> 03:37:30,933 third week of lock down Uh we’re told that on December the 7663 03:37:30,933 --> 03:37:33,299 we’re told that on December the second more than like we will 7664 03:37:33,299 --> 03:37:34,634 second more than like we will be coming out of that 7665 03:37:34,634 --> 03:37:35,800 be coming out of that particular lockdown, but we may 7666 03:37:35,800 --> 03:37:37,634 particular lockdown, but we may not know what we are going back 7667 03:37:37,634 --> 03:37:39,067 not know what we are going back into. I suspect it will be some 7668 03:37:39,067 --> 03:37:41,000 into. I suspect it will be some kind of scenario where some 7669 03:37:41,000 --> 03:37:42,567 kind of scenario where some parts of the country get into 7670 03:37:42,567 --> 03:37:44,867 parts of the country get into tear too some going to tear one 7671 03:37:44,867 --> 03:37:45,700 tear too some going to tear one some will going to tear three. 7672 03:37:45,700 --> 03:37:46,867 some will going to tear three. We’re gonna speak now to doctor 7673 03:37:46,867 --> 03:37:48,333 We’re gonna speak now to doctor Claire Craig consultant. 7674 03:37:48,333 --> 03:37:49,533 Claire Craig consultant. Pathology so I’ve never had on 7675 03:37:49,533 --> 03:37:51,067 Pathology so I’ve never had on the show before uh but who I’m 7676 03:37:51,067 --> 03:37:53,301 the show before uh but who I’m very pleased to say that we are 7677 03:37:53,301 --> 03:37:54,033 very pleased to say that we are getting around because she 7678 03:37:54,033 --> 03:37:56,133 getting around because she calls herself a skeptic uh but 7679 03:37:56,133 --> 03:37:57,434 calls herself a skeptic uh but also optimistic which is 7680 03:37:57,434 --> 03:37:59,034 also optimistic which is entirely. I think where where I 7681 03:37:59,034 --> 03:38:00,667 entirely. I think where where I am uh doctor Claire very good 7682 03:38:00,667 --> 03:38:01,966 am uh doctor Claire very good morning to you Good morning. 7683 03:38:01,966 --> 03:38:02,967 morning to you Good morning. Mike thanks very much for 7684 03:38:02,967 --> 03:38:04,634 Mike thanks very much for joining us. I’ve been looking 7685 03:38:04,634 --> 03:38:05,467 joining us. I’ve been looking at some of the things uh that 7686 03:38:05,467 --> 03:38:07,100 at some of the things uh that you’ve been tweeting out about 7687 03:38:07,100 --> 03:38:08,567 you’ve been tweeting out about so where where we are what kind 7688 03:38:08,567 --> 03:38:10,900 so where where we are what kind of conclusions we can draw. I 7689 03:38:10,900 --> 03:38:11,900 of conclusions we can draw. I mean it looks as though you’ve 7690 03:38:11,900 --> 03:38:13,434 mean it looks as though you’ve looked at fatality rates, for 7691 03:38:13,434 --> 03:38:14,867 looked at fatality rates, for example, being very very 7692 03:38:14,867 --> 03:38:16,066 example, being very very different in different parts of 7693 03:38:16,066 --> 03:38:17,399 different in different parts of the country. There’s questions 7694 03:38:17,399 --> 03:38:17,966 the country. There’s questions about T cells. there’s 7695 03:38:17,966 --> 03:38:19,634 about T cells. there’s questions about um immunity. 7696 03:38:19,634 --> 03:38:20,967 questions about um immunity. there’s questions. About the 7697 03:38:20,967 --> 03:38:22,500 there’s questions. About the testing accuracy, I mean the 7698 03:38:22,500 --> 03:38:24,299 testing accuracy, I mean the worrying thing for me. um 7699 03:38:24,299 --> 03:38:25,034 worrying thing for me. um Claire is that all of these 7700 03:38:25,034 --> 03:38:27,334 Claire is that all of these lock down restrictions and 7701 03:38:27,334 --> 03:38:28,733 lock down restrictions and policies being made by 7702 03:38:28,733 --> 03:38:29,900 policies being made by government are being made based 7703 03:38:29,900 --> 03:38:33,766 government are being made based on all of this uh data, which 7704 03:38:33,766 --> 03:38:35,399 on all of this uh data, which is obviously in question um 7705 03:38:35,399 --> 03:38:36,767 is obviously in question um I’ve certainly come to question 7706 03:38:36,767 --> 03:38:38,133 I’ve certainly come to question it in depth and the thing is 7707 03:38:38,133 --> 03:38:39,667 it in depth and the thing is that when you do question it, 7708 03:38:39,667 --> 03:38:41,034 that when you do question it, you can see from lots of 7709 03:38:41,034 --> 03:38:42,334 you can see from lots of different angles, but it 7710 03:38:42,334 --> 03:38:44,867 different angles, but it doesn’t add up so when you look 7711 03:38:44,867 --> 03:38:46,367 doesn’t add up so when you look superficially, it does look 7712 03:38:46,367 --> 03:38:49,133 superficially, it does look like we are in an epidemic. you 7713 03:38:49,133 --> 03:38:50,566 like we are in an epidemic. you know we are theirs and cases in 7714 03:38:50,566 --> 03:38:52,133 know we are theirs and cases in the autumn there arises in 7715 03:38:52,133 --> 03:38:53,434 the autumn there arises in death subsequently, but when 7716 03:38:53,434 --> 03:38:55,301 death subsequently, but when you. To look on a regional 7717 03:38:55,301 --> 03:38:56,133 you. To look on a regional basis and when you start to 7718 03:38:56,133 --> 03:38:58,267 basis and when you start to look at just simple things like 7719 03:38:58,267 --> 03:39:00,000 look at just simple things like percentages or how they change 7720 03:39:00,000 --> 03:39:01,833 percentages or how they change over time, it doesn’t make 7721 03:39:01,833 --> 03:39:03,967 over time, it doesn’t make sense. so what we’ve had since 7722 03:39:03,967 --> 03:39:06,334 sense. so what we’ve had since September is that the number of 7723 03:39:06,334 --> 03:39:08,000 September is that the number of deaths started to rise totally 7724 03:39:08,000 --> 03:39:10,334 deaths started to rise totally out of proportion to the number 7725 03:39:10,334 --> 03:39:11,766 out of proportion to the number of hospital admissions and I 7726 03:39:11,766 --> 03:39:14,133 of hospital admissions and I see admissions so the deaths 7727 03:39:14,133 --> 03:39:15,967 see admissions so the deaths seem to be doing its own thing. 7728 03:39:15,967 --> 03:39:17,800 seem to be doing its own thing. It wasn’t in related to the 7729 03:39:17,800 --> 03:39:19,299 It wasn’t in related to the other where it should be if 7730 03:39:19,299 --> 03:39:21,967 other where it should be if it’s a disease right and you’ve 7731 03:39:21,967 --> 03:39:23,867 it’s a disease right and you’ve seen recently is that the 7732 03:39:23,867 --> 03:39:25,966 seen recently is that the number of cases has just fallen 7733 03:39:25,966 --> 03:39:27,733 number of cases has just fallen a bit, which you know is great 7734 03:39:27,733 --> 03:39:29,734 a bit, which you know is great and actually the number. 7735 03:39:29,734 --> 03:39:31,767 and actually the number. Hospital seems to repeat and 7736 03:39:31,767 --> 03:39:33,767 Hospital seems to repeat and find its peak on the ninth of 7737 03:39:33,767 --> 03:39:34,767 find its peak on the ninth of November, so that’s early 7738 03:39:34,767 --> 03:39:35,533 November, so that’s early enough now that you can say 7739 03:39:35,533 --> 03:39:38,000 enough now that you can say it’s not just a day to May, but 7740 03:39:38,000 --> 03:39:39,334 it’s not just a day to May, but in the meantime, the hospital 7741 03:39:39,334 --> 03:39:40,533 in the meantime, the hospital admissions and the IC 7742 03:39:40,533 --> 03:39:41,900 admissions and the IC admissions are still on the way 7743 03:39:41,900 --> 03:39:43,667 admissions are still on the way up and when these things start 7744 03:39:43,667 --> 03:39:45,967 up and when these things start not to be related to each other 7745 03:39:45,967 --> 03:39:48,267 not to be related to each other in a way that a disease 7746 03:39:48,267 --> 03:39:49,933 in a way that a disease predicts a disease would have a 7747 03:39:49,933 --> 03:39:51,367 predicts a disease would have a case become a hospital 7748 03:39:51,367 --> 03:39:53,634 case become a hospital admission become an icy mission 7749 03:39:53,634 --> 03:39:55,333 admission become an icy mission become a death and then at the 7750 03:39:55,333 --> 03:39:57,400 become a death and then at the end, it seems tale of the cases 7751 03:39:57,400 --> 03:39:58,833 end, it seems tale of the cases should drop first and then the 7752 03:39:58,833 --> 03:39:59,667 should drop first and then the admissions and then the deaths 7753 03:39:59,667 --> 03:40:00,834 admissions and then the deaths rights, but doing it in the 7754 03:40:00,834 --> 03:40:03,733 rights, but doing it in the right order. It’s not measuring 7755 03:40:03,733 --> 03:40:05,901 right order. It’s not measuring a disease and no, and that is 7756 03:40:05,901 --> 03:40:06,334 a disease and no, and that is the difficulty because for 7757 03:40:06,334 --> 03:40:07,700 the difficulty because for those of us who are not, you 7758 03:40:07,700 --> 03:40:09,766 those of us who are not, you know medically qualified. We’re 7759 03:40:09,766 --> 03:40:11,399 know medically qualified. We’re not statistics We understand 7760 03:40:11,399 --> 03:40:12,967 not statistics We understand data up to a point um but we 7761 03:40:12,967 --> 03:40:14,334 data up to a point um but we don’t really know precisely 7762 03:40:14,334 --> 03:40:15,934 don’t really know precisely what is being compared to what 7763 03:40:15,934 --> 03:40:17,966 what is being compared to what as you say it makes for a very 7764 03:40:17,966 --> 03:40:18,599 as you say it makes for a very confusing picture and I think 7765 03:40:18,599 --> 03:40:19,933 confusing picture and I think the biggest problem this 7766 03:40:19,933 --> 03:40:20,967 the biggest problem this government now has is that 7767 03:40:20,967 --> 03:40:22,366 government now has is that people are not buying it 7768 03:40:22,366 --> 03:40:25,933 people are not buying it anymore and a lot of people are 7769 03:40:25,933 --> 03:40:27,400 anymore and a lot of people are less than likely to believe 7770 03:40:27,400 --> 03:40:29,867 less than likely to believe what the sage scientists are 7771 03:40:29,867 --> 03:40:31,501 what the sage scientists are coming up with. um yeah I do. 7772 03:40:31,501 --> 03:40:32,167 coming up with. um yeah I do. The problem we’ve had, and I 7773 03:40:32,167 --> 03:40:33,301 The problem we’ve had, and I think it’s a problem that 7774 03:40:33,301 --> 03:40:34,467 think it’s a problem that they’ve tried to shut down and 7775 03:40:34,467 --> 03:40:36,767 they’ve tried to shut down and I think what one of the reasons 7776 03:40:36,767 --> 03:40:39,333 I think what one of the reasons we’re in this situation is that 7777 03:40:39,333 --> 03:40:41,567 we’re in this situation is that part of the pandemic planet is 7778 03:40:41,567 --> 03:40:43,567 part of the pandemic planet is about shutting down descent 7779 03:40:43,567 --> 03:40:45,267 about shutting down descent voices and I think that some of 7780 03:40:45,267 --> 03:40:47,734 voices and I think that some of the people in power as part of 7781 03:40:47,734 --> 03:40:50,533 the people in power as part of that thought process hasn’t 7782 03:40:50,533 --> 03:40:51,967 that thought process hasn’t been listening, they haven’t 7783 03:40:51,967 --> 03:40:53,301 been listening, they haven’t been listening to important 7784 03:40:53,301 --> 03:40:54,900 been listening to important things that people like me have 7785 03:40:54,900 --> 03:40:56,899 things that people like me have been trying to tell them that 7786 03:40:56,899 --> 03:40:59,299 been trying to tell them that they’re getting wrong. So I’m 7787 03:40:59,299 --> 03:41:00,767 they’re getting wrong. So I’m very blinked and focused on 7788 03:41:00,767 --> 03:41:01,567 very blinked and focused on what they’re trying to do, 7789 03:41:01,567 --> 03:41:04,834 what they’re trying to do, which is over. Deadly virus but 7790 03:41:04,834 --> 03:41:07,567 which is over. Deadly virus but to the exclusion of some 7791 03:41:07,567 --> 03:41:08,334 to the exclusion of some things, which are just 7792 03:41:08,334 --> 03:41:09,166 things, which are just sensible, they’re complicated, 7793 03:41:09,166 --> 03:41:11,234 sensible, they’re complicated, but they’re sensible and they 7794 03:41:11,234 --> 03:41:12,334 but they’re sensible and they need to start listening. Yeah 7795 03:41:12,334 --> 03:41:14,133 need to start listening. Yeah And why do you think it is that 7796 03:41:14,133 --> 03:41:15,400 And why do you think it is that they’re so and they’re so kind 7797 03:41:15,400 --> 03:41:17,901 they’re so and they’re so kind of unwilling to move or to 7798 03:41:17,901 --> 03:41:19,467 of unwilling to move or to change or to kind of um even 7799 03:41:19,467 --> 03:41:21,867 change or to kind of um even adapt to the moving picture 7800 03:41:21,867 --> 03:41:23,299 adapt to the moving picture because it seems to me that you 7801 03:41:23,299 --> 03:41:24,667 because it seems to me that you know they keep telling us that 7802 03:41:24,667 --> 03:41:25,399 know they keep telling us that we’re following the signs and 7803 03:41:25,399 --> 03:41:26,967 we’re following the signs and you know you have to believe 7804 03:41:26,967 --> 03:41:28,267 you know you have to believe the data and all that when 7805 03:41:28,267 --> 03:41:29,234 the data and all that when clearly you know, that’s not 7806 03:41:29,234 --> 03:41:30,900 clearly you know, that’s not how we go through life. you 7807 03:41:30,900 --> 03:41:31,534 how we go through life. you know the government comes up 7808 03:41:31,534 --> 03:41:32,234 know the government comes up with the policy on anything. 7809 03:41:32,234 --> 03:41:34,200 with the policy on anything. we’re entitled to question it. 7810 03:41:34,200 --> 03:41:35,301 we’re entitled to question it. As journalists and you’re 7811 03:41:35,301 --> 03:41:36,766 As journalists and you’re entitled to question it as 7812 03:41:36,766 --> 03:41:38,334 entitled to question it as professionals in a particular 7813 03:41:38,334 --> 03:41:39,667 professionals in a particular arena, and it seems bizarre to 7814 03:41:39,667 --> 03:41:40,033 arena, and it seems bizarre to me that we’ve reached this 7815 03:41:40,033 --> 03:41:41,800 me that we’ve reached this point where you’re kind of 7816 03:41:41,800 --> 03:41:43,267 point where you’re kind of either with them or against 7817 03:41:43,267 --> 03:41:47,267 either with them or against them. Yes, it is a bit and I 7818 03:41:47,267 --> 03:41:48,867 them. Yes, it is a bit and I think they’ve um I think 7819 03:41:48,867 --> 03:41:50,133 think they’ve um I think they’re worried. I think 7820 03:41:50,133 --> 03:41:50,834 they’re worried. I think they’re scared. Actually, I 7821 03:41:50,834 --> 03:41:52,267 they’re scared. Actually, I think what we’ve seen 7822 03:41:52,267 --> 03:41:53,367 think what we’ve seen throughout this pandemic is a 7823 03:41:53,367 --> 03:41:54,334 throughout this pandemic is a lot of reaction that’s to do 7824 03:41:54,334 --> 03:41:56,634 lot of reaction that’s to do with fear and I think they’re 7825 03:41:56,634 --> 03:41:57,967 with fear and I think they’re scared because they think 7826 03:41:57,967 --> 03:42:00,334 scared because they think they’re responsible for a 7827 03:42:00,334 --> 03:42:01,933 they’re responsible for a population that they think are 7828 03:42:01,933 --> 03:42:03,799 population that they think are still susceptible to a deadly 7829 03:42:03,799 --> 03:42:05,333 still susceptible to a deadly virus and they’re looking at 7830 03:42:05,333 --> 03:42:08,334 virus and they’re looking at the world through that lens um 7831 03:42:08,334 --> 03:42:10,234 the world through that lens um and that’s not the right lens 7832 03:42:10,234 --> 03:42:12,767 and that’s not the right lens to be through. but it also 7833 03:42:12,767 --> 03:42:14,334 to be through. but it also means that the way they respond 7834 03:42:14,334 --> 03:42:17,533 means that the way they respond to things that counter to that 7835 03:42:17,533 --> 03:42:19,733 to things that counter to that narrative is defensive. Because 7836 03:42:19,733 --> 03:42:21,599 narrative is defensive. Because they’re scared scared cuz 7837 03:42:21,599 --> 03:42:23,634 they’re scared scared cuz they’ve got this that’s right 7838 03:42:23,634 --> 03:42:25,133 they’ve got this that’s right and I mean it has worked on 7839 03:42:25,133 --> 03:42:26,467 and I mean it has worked on quite a large portion of the 7840 03:42:26,467 --> 03:42:27,766 quite a large portion of the population as well because we 7841 03:42:27,766 --> 03:42:29,733 population as well because we all see a know people and talk 7842 03:42:29,733 --> 03:42:31,533 all see a know people and talk to people um who are a bit 7843 03:42:31,533 --> 03:42:32,800 to people um who are a bit nervous about going outside who 7844 03:42:32,800 --> 03:42:34,399 nervous about going outside who worried that you know if they 7845 03:42:34,399 --> 03:42:35,500 worried that you know if they do go on public transport, they 7846 03:42:35,500 --> 03:42:37,333 do go on public transport, they might catch it that if they do 7847 03:42:37,333 --> 03:42:38,566 might catch it that if they do in any way, kind of walk 7848 03:42:38,566 --> 03:42:39,767 in any way, kind of walk anywhere out in the open air 7849 03:42:39,767 --> 03:42:41,100 anywhere out in the open air without a mask on that they’re 7850 03:42:41,100 --> 03:42:42,299 without a mask on that they’re in some kind of grave danger, I 7851 03:42:42,299 --> 03:42:43,966 in some kind of grave danger, I know of people whose children 7852 03:42:43,966 --> 03:42:45,299 know of people whose children are about going outside. Don’t 7853 03:42:45,299 --> 03:42:47,467 are about going outside. Don’t really wanna go to school. So I 7854 03:42:47,467 --> 03:42:48,567 really wanna go to school. So I mean it’s a terrible effect on 7855 03:42:48,567 --> 03:42:49,867 mean it’s a terrible effect on people’s. Psyche this whole 7856 03:42:49,867 --> 03:42:52,000 people’s. Psyche this whole kind of uh campaign of the 7857 03:42:52,000 --> 03:42:54,800 kind of uh campaign of the governments um it really has 7858 03:42:54,800 --> 03:42:56,933 governments um it really has and I mean the thing is that 7859 03:42:56,933 --> 03:43:00,800 and I mean the thing is that coveted was a real um new ish 7860 03:43:00,800 --> 03:43:02,333 coveted was a real um new ish virus that came in spring and 7861 03:43:02,333 --> 03:43:03,533 virus that came in spring and absolutely kill people and it 7862 03:43:03,533 --> 03:43:05,100 absolutely kill people and it killed middle age people as 7863 03:43:05,100 --> 03:43:06,267 killed middle age people as well as the elderly and 7864 03:43:06,267 --> 03:43:08,000 well as the elderly and vulnerable, and you know it was 7865 03:43:08,000 --> 03:43:10,267 vulnerable, and you know it was something worth being scared 7866 03:43:10,267 --> 03:43:12,000 something worth being scared about at that time. um but what 7867 03:43:12,000 --> 03:43:13,367 about at that time. um but what would what we’re seeing now is 7868 03:43:13,367 --> 03:43:16,000 would what we’re seeing now is that and what the the way the 7869 03:43:16,000 --> 03:43:18,967 that and what the the way the fear has continued to be pushed 7870 03:43:18,967 --> 03:43:21,967 fear has continued to be pushed is. 7871 03:43:42,267 --> 03:43:43,301 Yeah. tell us a little bit 7872 03:43:43,301 --> 03:43:43,867 Yeah. tell us a little bit about that. What what? what 7873 03:43:43,867 --> 03:43:45,967 about that. What what? what exactly have you found about 7874 03:43:45,967 --> 03:43:47,667 exactly have you found about about situation regarding 7875 03:43:47,667 --> 03:43:50,066 about situation regarding immunity? um so I think the 7876 03:43:50,066 --> 03:43:51,399 immunity? um so I think the real issue is around the 7877 03:43:51,399 --> 03:43:51,967 real issue is around the government testing for 7878 03:43:51,967 --> 03:43:54,200 government testing for antibodies so from May um the 7879 03:43:54,200 --> 03:43:55,567 antibodies so from May um the government demanding testing 7880 03:43:55,567 --> 03:43:56,867 government demanding testing the population to see who had 7881 03:43:56,867 --> 03:43:58,467 the population to see who had antibodies to coveted. But when 7882 03:43:58,467 --> 03:44:00,800 antibodies to coveted. But when you design a test you have to 7883 03:44:00,800 --> 03:44:02,033 you design a test you have to decide who you want to test 7884 03:44:02,033 --> 03:44:03,733 decide who you want to test positive and who you want to 7885 03:44:03,733 --> 03:44:04,734 positive and who you want to test negative and for the 7886 03:44:04,734 --> 03:44:06,334 test negative and for the positive group all the 7887 03:44:06,334 --> 03:44:07,800 positive group all the manufacturers picked those 7888 03:44:07,800 --> 03:44:09,133 manufacturers picked those samples from patients who’ve 7889 03:44:09,133 --> 03:44:10,667 samples from patients who’ve been in hospital with Cove and 7890 03:44:10,667 --> 03:44:13,400 been in hospital with Cove and for the negative. They picked 7891 03:44:13,400 --> 03:44:15,933 for the negative. They picked live samples from donor blood 7892 03:44:15,933 --> 03:44:17,533 live samples from donor blood from before derived so by 7893 03:44:17,533 --> 03:44:19,933 from before derived so by definition those blood samples 7894 03:44:19,933 --> 03:44:21,434 definition those blood samples couldn’t be patients who had 7895 03:44:21,434 --> 03:44:23,767 couldn’t be patients who had cod because hadn’t arrived yet, 7896 03:44:23,767 --> 03:44:25,967 cod because hadn’t arrived yet, but by definition anybody that 7897 03:44:25,967 --> 03:44:27,934 but by definition anybody that was immune to covet before it 7898 03:44:27,934 --> 03:44:29,533 was immune to covet before it arrived because there are parts 7899 03:44:29,533 --> 03:44:30,767 arrived because there are parts of that doesn’t like the common 7900 03:44:30,767 --> 03:44:33,334 of that doesn’t like the common cold. We also test negative so 7901 03:44:33,334 --> 03:44:34,933 cold. We also test negative so what they have is a really good 7902 03:44:34,933 --> 03:44:36,000 what they have is a really good test to tell you who had 7903 03:44:36,000 --> 03:44:37,934 test to tell you who had coveted but it is not a test 7904 03:44:37,934 --> 03:44:39,834 coveted but it is not a test that tells you who isn’t it, 7905 03:44:39,834 --> 03:44:41,900 that tells you who isn’t it, but public health England have 7906 03:44:41,900 --> 03:44:42,800 but public health England have done other experiments, which 7907 03:44:42,800 --> 03:44:45,467 done other experiments, which are really good but also use 7908 03:44:45,467 --> 03:44:47,867 are really good but also use antibodies. but. Antibodies to 7909 03:44:47,867 --> 03:44:49,434 antibodies. but. Antibodies to the whole virus and those 7910 03:44:49,434 --> 03:44:52,567 the whole virus and those studies show that before more 7911 03:44:52,567 --> 03:44:54,967 studies show that before more than half of us were in the so 7912 03:44:54,967 --> 03:44:56,333 than half of us were in the so if you add those two together 7913 03:44:56,333 --> 03:44:58,634 if you add those two together and actually the other studies 7914 03:44:58,634 --> 03:45:00,267 and actually the other studies of studies show more than half 7915 03:45:00,267 --> 03:45:03,000 of studies show more than half and even the sort of household 7916 03:45:03,000 --> 03:45:04,434 and even the sort of household transmission studies show that 7917 03:45:04,434 --> 03:45:06,733 transmission studies show that um if you have people that have 7918 03:45:06,733 --> 03:45:08,234 um if you have people that have it and look at how many people 7919 03:45:08,234 --> 03:45:09,467 it and look at how many people they manage to give it to that 7920 03:45:09,467 --> 03:45:11,966 they manage to give it to that they live with it was maximum a 7921 03:45:11,966 --> 03:45:14,200 they live with it was maximum a half so the other half were 7922 03:45:14,200 --> 03:45:15,133 half so the other half were mean to the from when you look 7923 03:45:15,133 --> 03:45:18,934 mean to the from when you look at it. You are on a 7% that had 7924 03:45:18,934 --> 03:45:21,800 at it. You are on a 7% that had it you’re at her right and why 7925 03:45:21,800 --> 03:45:23,800 it you’re at her right and why would you perhaps be immune 7926 03:45:23,800 --> 03:45:25,766 would you perhaps be immune from something that you didn’t 7927 03:45:25,766 --> 03:45:27,800 from something that you didn’t actually know was there before 7928 03:45:27,800 --> 03:45:28,700 actually know was there before So? um the thing with Corona 7929 03:45:28,700 --> 03:45:30,800 So? um the thing with Corona virus is is there are family of 7930 03:45:30,800 --> 03:45:32,399 virus is is there are family of viruses do parts of the 7931 03:45:32,399 --> 03:45:33,967 viruses do parts of the proteins on Corona virus we 7932 03:45:33,967 --> 03:45:35,800 proteins on Corona virus we will have seen well. a lot of 7933 03:45:35,800 --> 03:45:37,634 will have seen well. a lot of us may have seen before as some 7934 03:45:37,634 --> 03:45:38,234 us may have seen before as some parts of our unique that none 7935 03:45:38,234 --> 03:45:39,967 parts of our unique that none of us have seen before, which 7936 03:45:39,967 --> 03:45:41,634 of us have seen before, which is what our anti bullying to 7937 03:45:41,634 --> 03:45:43,800 is what our anti bullying to that we’ve been testing with 7938 03:45:43,800 --> 03:45:45,299 that we’ve been testing with and but also our immune systems 7939 03:45:45,299 --> 03:45:46,900 and but also our immune systems are really clever so they even 7940 03:45:46,900 --> 03:45:48,733 are really clever so they even if you’ve never seen something 7941 03:45:48,733 --> 03:45:50,367 if you’ve never seen something before the way the antibodies 7942 03:45:50,367 --> 03:45:53,367 before the way the antibodies work is that they have. We just 7943 03:45:53,367 --> 03:45:54,933 work is that they have. We just create a huge diverse range and 7944 03:45:54,933 --> 03:45:56,000 create a huge diverse range and then pick the ones that work 7945 03:45:56,000 --> 03:45:57,734 then pick the ones that work with us and so you always get a 7946 03:45:57,734 --> 03:45:59,767 with us and so you always get a little bit of overlap and that 7947 03:45:59,767 --> 03:46:02,833 little bit of overlap and that how we survive well. This is 7948 03:46:02,833 --> 03:46:05,767 how we survive well. This is the thing I mean uh when I see 7949 03:46:05,767 --> 03:46:07,800 the thing I mean uh when I see uh some scientists uh quite 7950 03:46:07,800 --> 03:46:09,299 uh some scientists uh quite quite honestly misleading the 7951 03:46:09,299 --> 03:46:10,033 quite honestly misleading the public. Um there was one the 7952 03:46:10,033 --> 03:46:12,133 public. Um there was one the other day he was talking about. 7953 03:46:12,133 --> 03:46:13,667 other day he was talking about. um you know jumbo jets full of 7954 03:46:13,667 --> 03:46:14,834 um you know jumbo jets full of people falling out of the sky. 7955 03:46:14,834 --> 03:46:16,000 people falling out of the sky. This is what we’re dealing with 7956 03:46:16,000 --> 03:46:17,634 This is what we’re dealing with over 500 people dying every 7957 03:46:17,634 --> 03:46:18,867 over 500 people dying every single day. Well they don’t 7958 03:46:18,867 --> 03:46:20,399 single day. Well they don’t mention uh is that there’s 7959 03:46:20,399 --> 03:46:21,599 mention uh is that there’s there’s another thousand people 7960 03:46:21,599 --> 03:46:22,799 there’s another thousand people who are dying day of something 7961 03:46:22,799 --> 03:46:24,267 who are dying day of something completely different. To do 7962 03:46:24,267 --> 03:46:25,567 completely different. To do with coveted so there is this 7963 03:46:25,567 --> 03:46:26,900 with coveted so there is this kind of you know fear mongering 7964 03:46:26,900 --> 03:46:28,434 kind of you know fear mongering that goes on in the same way 7965 03:46:28,434 --> 03:46:29,867 that goes on in the same way that you know, there’s no 7966 03:46:29,867 --> 03:46:30,800 that you know, there’s no evidence it seems to me for 7967 03:46:30,800 --> 03:46:33,334 evidence it seems to me for anyone to say if you have uh a 7968 03:46:33,334 --> 03:46:35,034 anyone to say if you have uh a 1 day of freedom for Christmas 7969 03:46:35,034 --> 03:46:36,267 1 day of freedom for Christmas that you need to then spend 5 7970 03:46:36,267 --> 03:46:37,967 that you need to then spend 5 days in isolation in order to 7971 03:46:37,967 --> 03:46:40,000 days in isolation in order to make up for it doesn’t make any 7972 03:46:40,000 --> 03:46:42,967 make up for it doesn’t make any logical sense at all. No. I 7973 03:46:42,967 --> 03:46:45,400 logical sense at all. No. I mean I agree it doesn’t and the 7974 03:46:45,400 --> 03:46:48,301 mean I agree it doesn’t and the thing about the death. The 7975 03:46:48,301 --> 03:46:49,566 thing about the death. The death figures are obviously a 7976 03:46:49,566 --> 03:46:51,733 death figures are obviously a great way of inducing fear, but 7977 03:46:51,733 --> 03:46:52,533 great way of inducing fear, but when you look when you look at 7978 03:46:52,533 --> 03:46:55,299 when you look when you look at it on a regional. Basis we do 7979 03:46:55,299 --> 03:46:57,567 it on a regional. Basis we do seem to have some excess deaths 7980 03:46:57,567 --> 03:46:58,700 seem to have some excess deaths in the northwest and in parts 7981 03:46:58,700 --> 03:47:01,533 in the northwest and in parts of just in pockets Non-profit 7982 03:47:01,533 --> 03:47:03,133 of just in pockets Non-profit region um, and I think there 7983 03:47:03,133 --> 03:47:04,267 region um, and I think there are some places particularly 7984 03:47:04,267 --> 03:47:05,834 are some places particularly whole that didn’t have so much 7985 03:47:05,834 --> 03:47:09,333 whole that didn’t have so much in the spring and have had a 7986 03:47:09,333 --> 03:47:10,000 in the spring and have had a bit in October, but thankfully, 7987 03:47:10,000 --> 03:47:11,533 bit in October, but thankfully, it’s coming down so there are 7988 03:47:11,533 --> 03:47:13,667 it’s coming down so there are some places that elaborate, but 7989 03:47:13,667 --> 03:47:14,800 some places that elaborate, but they’re not epidemic. They 7990 03:47:14,800 --> 03:47:15,799 they’re not epidemic. They haven’t spread across the whole 7991 03:47:15,799 --> 03:47:17,967 haven’t spread across the whole region because there is 7992 03:47:17,967 --> 03:47:19,500 region because there is immunity the places like the 7993 03:47:19,500 --> 03:47:21,333 immunity the places like the east of England East Midlands 7994 03:47:21,333 --> 03:47:23,299 east of England East Midlands and West Midlands, where for 7995 03:47:23,299 --> 03:47:25,233 and West Midlands, where for every week the increase in 7996 03:47:25,233 --> 03:47:27,567 every week the increase in coveted deaths is mirrored 7997 03:47:27,567 --> 03:47:30,800 coveted deaths is mirrored exactly by a decrease. In 7998 03:47:30,800 --> 03:47:33,333 exactly by a decrease. In excess non deaths and you see 7999 03:47:33,333 --> 03:47:34,800 excess non deaths and you see see that when you’ve 8000 03:47:34,800 --> 03:47:35,467 see that when you’ve misdiagnosed if you start 8001 03:47:35,467 --> 03:47:37,733 misdiagnosed if you start labeling people are dying of 8002 03:47:37,733 --> 03:47:39,533 labeling people are dying of other things with coveted and 8003 03:47:39,533 --> 03:47:40,500 other things with coveted and you’re not labeling them. We’ve 8004 03:47:40,500 --> 03:47:41,766 you’re not labeling them. We’ve got we would have been labeled 8005 03:47:41,766 --> 03:47:43,367 got we would have been labeled with we see that coming out in 8006 03:47:43,367 --> 03:47:45,767 with we see that coming out in the data. Yeah and so from your 8007 03:47:45,767 --> 03:47:47,634 the data. Yeah and so from your point of view um doctor Claire 8008 03:47:47,634 --> 03:47:49,434 point of view um doctor Claire can you say with some relative 8009 03:47:49,434 --> 03:47:52,299 can you say with some relative degree of assurance that there 8010 03:47:52,299 --> 03:47:54,000 degree of assurance that there will not be an overwhelming of 8011 03:47:54,000 --> 03:47:56,467 will not be an overwhelming of the NS between now and say 8012 03:47:56,467 --> 03:48:00,000 the NS between now and say January. Yes and and what’s 8013 03:48:00,000 --> 03:48:02,634 January. Yes and and what’s more we the predictions that we 8014 03:48:02,634 --> 03:48:04,133 more we the predictions that we had whether we would already 8015 03:48:04,133 --> 03:48:06,000 had whether we would already have full night hospitals at 8016 03:48:06,000 --> 03:48:07,233 have full night hospitals at this point. Yeah, it hasn’t 8017 03:48:07,233 --> 03:48:08,867 this point. Yeah, it hasn’t happened. It’s not really we 8018 03:48:08,867 --> 03:48:10,301 happened. It’s not really we are not in an academic right 8019 03:48:10,301 --> 03:48:11,967 are not in an academic right and also it would appear and I 8020 03:48:11,967 --> 03:48:12,500 and also it would appear and I think you mentioned this 8021 03:48:12,500 --> 03:48:14,334 think you mentioned this earlier that the peak of this 8022 03:48:14,334 --> 03:48:15,867 earlier that the peak of this latest wave would appear to 8023 03:48:15,867 --> 03:48:16,999 latest wave would appear to have been before the lockdown 8024 03:48:16,999 --> 03:48:18,434 have been before the lockdown happened anyway, so you know 8025 03:48:18,434 --> 03:48:21,833 happened anyway, so you know you would expect to see a 8026 03:48:21,833 --> 03:48:24,933 you would expect to see a tailing off of infections. Yes, 8027 03:48:24,933 --> 03:48:26,334 tailing off of infections. Yes, so I mean that I do think 8028 03:48:26,334 --> 03:48:28,800 so I mean that I do think lockdown has had any impact 8029 03:48:28,800 --> 03:48:30,334 lockdown has had any impact this time. I think there are 8030 03:48:30,334 --> 03:48:31,234 this time. I think there are interventions that can slow 8031 03:48:31,234 --> 03:48:33,067 interventions that can slow viral spreads. I think washing 8032 03:48:33,067 --> 03:48:34,200 viral spreads. I think washing hands and things are very 8033 03:48:34,200 --> 03:48:35,967 hands and things are very important and staying away from 8034 03:48:35,967 --> 03:48:37,533 important and staying away from vulnerable people. you know 8035 03:48:37,533 --> 03:48:39,567 vulnerable people. you know when there’s a virus around and 8036 03:48:39,567 --> 03:48:40,800 when there’s a virus around and that applies every year. that’s 8037 03:48:40,800 --> 03:48:43,800 that applies every year. that’s not just a thing um and 8038 03:48:43,800 --> 03:48:45,299 not just a thing um and smelling spread is important in 8039 03:48:45,299 --> 03:48:47,233 smelling spread is important in academic because you don’t want 8040 03:48:47,233 --> 03:48:48,834 academic because you don’t want that when you reach the point 8041 03:48:48,834 --> 03:48:50,500 that when you reach the point where we’ve got immunity, the 8042 03:48:50,500 --> 03:48:52,000 where we’ve got immunity, the population you want to reach 8043 03:48:52,000 --> 03:48:53,467 population you want to reach that point while there are a 8044 03:48:53,467 --> 03:48:55,867 that point while there are a few people as possible who just 8045 03:48:55,867 --> 03:48:56,599 few people as possible who just caught it because there’s 8046 03:48:56,599 --> 03:48:58,767 caught it because there’s everybody’s caught. Then you 8047 03:48:58,767 --> 03:48:59,567 everybody’s caught. Then you don’t benefit from having 8048 03:48:59,567 --> 03:49:01,499 don’t benefit from having reached that point and you have 8049 03:49:01,499 --> 03:49:03,067 reached that point and you have some that would be alright so 8050 03:49:03,067 --> 03:49:04,634 some that would be alright so one of the things some of the 8051 03:49:04,634 --> 03:49:05,767 one of the things some of the things that we did in slow a 8052 03:49:05,767 --> 03:49:06,933 things that we did in slow a bit, but then we’ve ended up 8053 03:49:06,933 --> 03:49:07,900 bit, but then we’ve ended up with these pockets that are 8054 03:49:07,900 --> 03:49:09,667 with these pockets that are sort of catching up now so how 8055 03:49:09,667 --> 03:49:10,834 sort of catching up now so how much difference it made in the 8056 03:49:10,834 --> 03:49:12,334 much difference it made in the long term, I think, and 8057 03:49:12,334 --> 03:49:13,434 long term, I think, and certainly there’s nothing to 8058 03:49:13,434 --> 03:49:14,133 certainly there’s nothing to suggest that whatever is 8059 03:49:14,133 --> 03:49:15,667 suggest that whatever is happening now is anywhere near 8060 03:49:15,667 --> 03:49:17,399 happening now is anywhere near as bad as what happened in 8061 03:49:17,399 --> 03:49:18,967 as bad as what happened in April uh and may in terms of 8062 03:49:18,967 --> 03:49:19,667 April uh and may in terms of the numbers in terms of the 8063 03:49:19,667 --> 03:49:21,467 the numbers in terms of the graphs in terms of everything 8064 03:49:21,467 --> 03:49:22,766 graphs in terms of everything that we saw happening from 8065 03:49:22,766 --> 03:49:24,334 that we saw happening from March to the end of May, you 8066 03:49:24,334 --> 03:49:25,667 March to the end of May, you know we haven’t got anywhere 8067 03:49:25,667 --> 03:49:26,800 know we haven’t got anywhere near those those kinds of 8068 03:49:26,800 --> 03:49:27,434 near those those kinds of numbers. So how does that 8069 03:49:27,434 --> 03:49:28,500 numbers. So how does that explain what they’re doing in 8070 03:49:28,500 --> 03:49:29,500 explain what they’re doing in Northern Ireland where they 8071 03:49:29,500 --> 03:49:30,833 Northern Ireland where they decided that apparently the 8072 03:49:30,833 --> 03:49:31,634 decided that apparently the lockdown needs to be extended 8073 03:49:31,634 --> 03:49:34,833 lockdown needs to be extended yet again for another 2 weeks. 8074 03:49:34,833 --> 03:49:35,300 yet again for another 2 weeks. Mean what are they gonna 8075 03:49:35,300 --> 03:49:36,599 Mean what are they gonna achieve? I’m not sure what the 8076 03:49:36,599 --> 03:49:37,967 achieve? I’m not sure what the thinking is in Northern Island, 8077 03:49:37,967 --> 03:49:38,999 thinking is in Northern Island, but I do know someone has 8078 03:49:38,999 --> 03:49:40,434 but I do know someone has shared with me that the number 8079 03:49:40,434 --> 03:49:43,233 shared with me that the number of deaths at home has gone up 8080 03:49:43,233 --> 03:49:45,667 of deaths at home has gone up twelve fold and when people are 8081 03:49:45,667 --> 03:49:47,133 twelve fold and when people are dying at home, sometimes it’s 8082 03:49:47,133 --> 03:49:48,800 dying at home, sometimes it’s people who would have gone to 8083 03:49:48,800 --> 03:49:50,900 people who would have gone to hospital and died their diet. 8084 03:49:50,900 --> 03:49:51,599 hospital and died their diet. Sometimes that could be a 8085 03:49:51,599 --> 03:49:53,533 Sometimes that could be a choice from the patient’s point 8086 03:49:53,533 --> 03:49:55,333 choice from the patient’s point of view right We also know that 8087 03:49:55,333 --> 03:49:57,267 of view right We also know that acts emergency attendance are 8088 03:49:57,267 --> 03:49:59,467 acts emergency attendance are down down and that when making 8089 03:49:59,467 --> 03:50:01,634 down down and that when making ambulance staff self isolate, 8090 03:50:01,634 --> 03:50:02,767 ambulance staff self isolate, then your ambulance times 8091 03:50:02,767 --> 03:50:04,367 then your ambulance times increase and we have an 8092 03:50:04,367 --> 03:50:06,901 increase and we have an epidemic. Heart attacks in the 8093 03:50:06,901 --> 03:50:08,800 epidemic. Heart attacks in the spring of those kinds of acts 8094 03:50:08,800 --> 03:50:10,334 spring of those kinds of acts and I worry that’s what is 8095 03:50:10,334 --> 03:50:11,833 and I worry that’s what is missing again now, and you know 8096 03:50:11,833 --> 03:50:13,834 missing again now, and you know some of the deaths that we are 8097 03:50:13,834 --> 03:50:16,800 some of the deaths that we are seeing are because of what 8098 03:50:16,800 --> 03:50:18,767 seeing are because of what we’re doing as a society and we 8099 03:50:18,767 --> 03:50:19,967 we’re doing as a society and we can’t turn our back on that. 8100 03:50:19,967 --> 03:50:21,233 can’t turn our back on that. you know there are hundred 8101 03:50:21,233 --> 03:50:22,933 you know there are hundred deaths a day at home more than 8102 03:50:22,933 --> 03:50:24,800 deaths a day at home more than long and that’s been going on 8103 03:50:24,800 --> 03:50:25,567 long and that’s been going on right through the summer 8104 03:50:25,567 --> 03:50:27,901 right through the summer through the autumn as to people 8105 03:50:27,901 --> 03:50:28,833 through the autumn as to people dying at home when they 8106 03:50:28,833 --> 03:50:29,767 dying at home when they wouldn’t have been for and they 8107 03:50:29,767 --> 03:50:31,100 wouldn’t have been for and they can’t all be because they 8108 03:50:31,100 --> 03:50:33,067 can’t all be because they wanted to yeah. So if you were 8109 03:50:33,067 --> 03:50:34,800 wanted to yeah. So if you were able to dot Claire give a 8110 03:50:34,800 --> 03:50:36,834 able to dot Claire give a message to Boris Johnson and to 8111 03:50:36,834 --> 03:50:37,467 message to Boris Johnson and to Chris Witty, he’s disappeared 8112 03:50:37,467 --> 03:50:38,467 Chris Witty, he’s disappeared off the face of the earth uh 8113 03:50:38,467 --> 03:50:41,299 off the face of the earth uh and all the other sage. Um 8114 03:50:41,299 --> 03:50:43,800 and all the other sage. Um advisers in Downing Street, 8115 03:50:43,800 --> 03:50:45,200 advisers in Downing Street, What would you say to them? I 8116 03:50:45,200 --> 03:50:47,933 What would you say to them? I would say that scientists 8117 03:50:47,933 --> 03:50:49,800 would say that scientists always question whether they’re 8118 03:50:49,800 --> 03:50:51,934 always question whether they’re wrong all the time we’re 8119 03:50:51,934 --> 03:50:53,434 wrong all the time we’re asking. Could this be wrong? 8120 03:50:53,434 --> 03:50:55,900 asking. Could this be wrong? Could this be wrong? We have to 8121 03:50:55,900 --> 03:50:56,533 Could this be wrong? We have to start doing that. Thank you 8122 03:50:56,533 --> 03:50:58,133 start doing that. Thank you very much. Indeed. That’s a 8123 03:50:58,133 --> 03:50:59,967 very much. Indeed. That’s a great message to give some to 8124 03:50:59,967 --> 03:51:01,300 great message to give some to them on this Friday uh when we 8125 03:51:01,300 --> 03:51:03,933 them on this Friday uh when we are now about to be going into 8126 03:51:03,933 --> 03:51:05,434 are now about to be going into the third week of a lockdown uh 8127 03:51:05,434 --> 03:51:06,933 the third week of a lockdown uh which as far as doctor Claire 8128 03:51:06,933 --> 03:51:07,834 which as far as doctor Claire Craig is concerned and as far 8129 03:51:07,834 --> 03:51:09,399 Craig is concerned and as far as many other people are 8130 03:51:09,399 --> 03:51:10,800 as many other people are concerned on very sensible 8131 03:51:10,800 --> 03:51:12,667 concerned on very sensible sides of the medical community. 8132 03:51:12,667 --> 03:51:15,567 sides of the medical community. It’s not really. Any difference 8133 03:51:15,567 --> 03:51:16,767 It’s not really. Any difference and there’s lots of Claire 8134 03:51:16,767 --> 03:51:18,399 and there’s lots of Claire said. You must question 8135 03:51:18,399 --> 03:51:19,399 said. You must question everything that you do. you 8136 03:51:19,399 --> 03:51:20,967 everything that you do. you must wonder whether it’s wrong. 8137 03:51:20,967 --> 03:51:22,533 must wonder whether it’s wrong. You must make sure that what 8138 03:51:22,533 --> 03:51:23,800 You must make sure that what you’re doing is the right 8139 03:51:23,800 --> 03:51:25,800 you’re doing is the right thing. She doesn’t understand 8140 03:51:25,800 --> 03:51:27,233 thing. She doesn’t understand why uh Northern Ireland has 8141 03:51:27,233 --> 03:51:27,933 why uh Northern Ireland has extended its locked down. I 8142 03:51:27,933 --> 03:51:29,800 extended its locked down. I don’t understand that either 8143 03:51:29,800 --> 03:51:31,300 don’t understand that either many of you out there need to 8144 03:51:31,300 --> 03:51:32,133 many of you out there need to be able to get to work to do 8145 03:51:32,133 --> 03:51:33,967 be able to get to work to do your work to make the money to 8146 03:51:33,967 --> 03:51:35,334 your work to make the money to pay the taxes, which keeps 8147 03:51:35,334 --> 03:51:35,967 pay the taxes, which keeps everything going in this 8148 03:51:35,967 --> 03:51:37,066 everything going in this country and that is where we 8149 03:51:37,066 --> 03:51:38,734 country and that is where we are at the end of another weird 8150 03:51:38,734 --> 03:51:40,999 are at the end of another weird week we need to have some kind 8151 03:51:40,999 --> 03:51:43,066 week we need to have some kind of a change of strategy surely 8152 03:51:43,066 --> 03:51:46,300 of a change of strategy surely 034. 491 thousand is the number 8153 03:51:46,300 --> 03:51:47,334 034. 491 thousand is the number we will take some of your 8154 03:51:47,334 --> 03:51:48,000 we will take some of your calls. Don’t forget. We are 8155 03:51:48,000 --> 03:51:49,399 calls. Don’t forget. 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There’s a story of a missing Christmas 8250 03:54:37,966 --> 03:54:39,634 story of a missing Christmas letter not here, though, cuz 8251 03:54:39,634 --> 03:54:41,466 letter not here, though, cuz little old winning drinks are 8252 03:54:41,466 --> 03:54:43,966 little old winning drinks are better with the world’s best 8253 03:54:43,966 --> 03:54:50,333 better with the world’s best for 849 and Jess from just 8254 03:54:50,333 --> 03:54:50,434 for 849 and Jess from just 999 little 8255 03:54:50,434 --> 03:54:53,034 999 little subject availability 8256 03:54:53,034 --> 03:54:54,099 999 little subject availability selected stores excludes an 8257 03:54:54,099 --> 03:54:57,767 selected stores excludes an radio traffic and The msix and 8258 03:54:57,767 --> 03:54:59,667 radio traffic and The msix and it’s a five mile cue that 8259 03:54:59,667 --> 03:55:01,634 it’s a five mile cue that showing up southbound between 8260 03:55:01,634 --> 03:55:03,200 showing up southbound between junction three Coventry to the 8261 03:55:03,200 --> 03:55:05,634 junction three Coventry to the m 69. That was after crash all 8262 03:55:05,634 --> 03:55:06,434 m 69. That was after crash all of the lanes reopen although 8263 03:55:06,434 --> 03:55:07,734 of the lanes reopen although they still got a closure in the 8264 03:55:07,734 --> 03:55:09,634 they still got a closure in the West Midlands on the ffive, The 8265 03:55:09,634 --> 03:55:11,966 West Midlands on the ffive, The northbound side is closed from 8266 03:55:11,966 --> 03:55:13,267 northbound side is closed from junction one at west to the 8267 03:55:13,267 --> 03:55:14,833 junction one at west to the Msix interchange, causing cues 8268 03:55:14,833 --> 03:55:17,466 Msix interchange, causing cues from around junction two around 8269 03:55:17,466 --> 03:55:18,733 from around junction two around Birmingham, Northampton and 8270 03:55:18,733 --> 03:55:21,266 Birmingham, Northampton and Elaine’s closed on the one 8271 03:55:21,266 --> 03:55:22,000 Elaine’s closed on the one southbound between Junction 8272 03:55:22,000 --> 03:55:23,966 southbound between Junction fifteen Northampton to junction 8273 03:55:23,966 --> 03:55:25,966 fifteen Northampton to junction fourteen at Milton. I’m. Scott 8274 03:55:25,966 --> 03:55:28,434 fourteen at Milton. I’m. Scott at Lloyd’s Bank, We know the 8275 03:55:28,434 --> 03:55:29,966 at Lloyd’s Bank, We know the little things can make all the 8276 03:55:29,966 --> 03:55:31,634 little things can make all the difference. That’s why our 8277 03:55:31,634 --> 03:55:33,466 difference. That’s why our branch colleagues are making 8278 03:55:33,466 --> 03:55:34,799 branch colleagues are making calls to our older customers 8279 03:55:34,799 --> 03:55:36,367 calls to our older customers just to check in and make sure 8280 03:55:36,367 --> 03:55:37,966 just to check in and make sure everything is okay We’ve 8281 03:55:37,966 --> 03:55:40,600 everything is okay We’ve already made over 400000 phone 8282 03:55:40,600 --> 03:55:42,266 already made over 400000 phone calls this year and because we 8283 03:55:42,266 --> 03:55:43,899 calls this year and because we know it’s essential to keep in 8284 03:55:43,899 --> 03:55:45,966 know it’s essential to keep in touch we will continue calling 8285 03:55:45,966 --> 03:55:48,699 touch we will continue calling our customers over the coming 8286 03:55:48,699 --> 03:55:51,433 our customers over the coming winter months Lloyd’s Bank by 8287 03:55:51,433 --> 03:55:53,634 winter months Lloyd’s Bank by your side, please remember 8288 03:55:53,634 --> 03:55:57,634 your side, please remember we’ll never call to us. 8289 03:56:31,399 --> 03:56:33,833 How on earth can you be a can 8290 03:56:33,833 --> 03:56:34,999 How on earth can you be a can you can you be sensitive died 8291 03:56:34,999 --> 03:56:36,567 you can you be sensitive died of coveted because you’re not 8292 03:56:36,567 --> 03:56:37,800 of coveted because you’re not dying of coveted. That is the 8293 03:56:37,800 --> 03:56:38,800 dying of coveted. That is the problem. We’re gonna take some 8294 03:56:38,800 --> 03:56:39,666 problem. We’re gonna take some calls because we need to hear 8295 03:56:39,666 --> 03:56:40,634 calls because we need to hear from all of you out there. you 8296 03:56:40,634 --> 03:56:42,000 from all of you out there. you are there’s voices of common 8297 03:56:42,000 --> 03:56:44,967 are there’s voices of common sense 03491 thousand is the 8298 03:56:44,967 --> 03:56:46,733 sense 03491 thousand is the number let’s talk to Pat. Who’s 8299 03:56:46,733 --> 03:56:48,567 number let’s talk to Pat. Who’s in Stephanie. Hi Pat. Oh Good 8300 03:56:48,567 --> 03:56:50,099 in Stephanie. Hi Pat. Oh Good morning Mike How you doing um 8301 03:56:50,099 --> 03:56:52,366 morning Mike How you doing um two things first about the pose 8302 03:56:52,366 --> 03:56:54,999 two things first about the pose yes and in about the lockdown, 8303 03:56:54,999 --> 03:56:56,867 yes and in about the lockdown, Yes, first of won’t worry about 8304 03:56:56,867 --> 03:56:57,900 Yes, first of won’t worry about being blocked by the post. I’m 8305 03:56:57,900 --> 03:56:59,500 being blocked by the post. I’m not rubbish they were rubbish 8306 03:56:59,500 --> 03:57:02,334 not rubbish they were rubbish when they were. Right first of 8307 03:57:02,334 --> 03:57:05,100 when they were. Right first of all and the guy at least like 8308 03:57:05,100 --> 03:57:08,301 all and the guy at least like the lead singer of Pops Eat my 8309 03:57:08,301 --> 03:57:08,934 the lead singer of Pops Eat my McGowan. Yeah, I saw an 8310 03:57:08,934 --> 03:57:12,666 McGowan. Yeah, I saw an interview with him. He’s a good 8311 03:57:12,666 --> 03:57:13,867 interview with him. He’s a good defense against I saw an 8312 03:57:13,867 --> 03:57:14,467 defense against I saw an interview. He’s got some new 8313 03:57:14,467 --> 03:57:16,634 interview. He’s got some new teeth apparently when he when 8314 03:57:16,634 --> 03:57:20,267 teeth apparently when he when he sees he run from anyway, the 8315 03:57:20,267 --> 03:57:21,967 he sees he run from anyway, the you know getting them out the 8316 03:57:21,967 --> 03:57:22,866 you know getting them out the way you say they would never 8317 03:57:22,866 --> 03:57:26,133 way you say they would never know when they were when they 8318 03:57:26,133 --> 03:57:28,533 know when they were when they were cool and um the thing is 8319 03:57:28,533 --> 03:57:30,533 were cool and um the thing is about this. uh I think I spoke 8320 03:57:30,533 --> 03:57:32,234 about this. uh I think I spoke to you early part of the week 8321 03:57:32,234 --> 03:57:36,233 to you early part of the week This is. About control Freak 8322 03:57:36,233 --> 03:57:38,901 This is. About control Freak Reno This got this got very 8323 03:57:38,901 --> 03:57:40,300 Reno This got this got very little to do. I think I think 8324 03:57:40,300 --> 03:57:42,066 little to do. I think I think they get a kick out of it and I 8325 03:57:42,066 --> 03:57:43,533 they get a kick out of it and I said to you, you know when they 8326 03:57:43,533 --> 03:57:45,567 said to you, you know when they I think Nicholas Sturgeon said. 8327 03:57:45,567 --> 03:57:47,367 I think Nicholas Sturgeon said. It’s it’s with deepest regret 8328 03:57:47,367 --> 03:57:49,533 It’s it’s with deepest regret that I said it’s it’s got 8329 03:57:49,533 --> 03:57:50,234 that I said it’s it’s got nothing to do with it. They’re 8330 03:57:50,234 --> 03:57:52,500 nothing to do with it. They’re not even worried about it. The 8331 03:57:52,500 --> 03:57:54,099 not even worried about it. The ??? see I can see stop people 8332 03:57:54,099 --> 03:57:55,333 ??? see I can see stop people going from England into 8333 03:57:55,333 --> 03:57:57,299 going from England into Scotland. How is that possible? 8334 03:57:57,299 --> 03:57:59,267 Scotland. How is that possible? Oh, I have no idea but you know 8335 03:57:59,267 --> 03:58:01,933 Oh, I have no idea but you know um this is about control 8336 03:58:01,933 --> 03:58:05,901 um this is about control frequently and. I mean it was 8337 03:58:05,901 --> 03:58:08,301 frequently and. I mean it was interesting that the doctors 8338 03:58:08,301 --> 03:58:10,966 interesting that the doctors said Claire Craig, um if this 8339 03:58:10,966 --> 03:58:13,966 said Claire Craig, um if this is if what she says is the 8340 03:58:13,966 --> 03:58:17,634 is if what she says is the truth then we are being lied to 8341 03:58:17,634 --> 03:58:20,301 truth then we are being lied to on an industrial scale and the 8342 03:58:20,301 --> 03:58:23,767 on an industrial scale and the and needs needs to be immediate 8343 03:58:23,767 --> 03:58:24,533 and needs needs to be immediate inquiry into what’s happening. 8344 03:58:24,533 --> 03:58:26,967 inquiry into what’s happening. Yeah and another thing Why has 8345 03:58:26,967 --> 03:58:28,634 Yeah and another thing Why has the witty balance roadshow on 8346 03:58:28,634 --> 03:58:30,066 the witty balance roadshow on the ground? Well? that’s an 8347 03:58:30,066 --> 03:58:31,034 the ground? Well? that’s an interesting question, as well. 8348 03:58:31,034 --> 03:58:32,000 interesting question, as well. A lot of people are asking me 8349 03:58:32,000 --> 03:58:33,000 A lot of people are asking me that we haven’t seen Chris with 8350 03:58:33,000 --> 03:58:34,166 that we haven’t seen Chris with your week. I don’t think we saw 8351 03:58:34,166 --> 03:58:35,234 your week. I don’t think we saw at the start, but we’re gonna 8352 03:58:35,234 --> 03:58:36,733 at the start, but we’re gonna start looking into this. 8353 03:58:36,733 --> 03:58:38,334 start looking into this. Because we keep hearing right 8354 03:58:38,334 --> 03:58:39,434 Because we keep hearing right that basically the government 8355 03:58:39,434 --> 03:58:42,299 that basically the government is worried uh nervous scared 8356 03:58:42,299 --> 03:58:43,533 is worried uh nervous scared even of some kind of public 8357 03:58:43,533 --> 03:58:44,599 even of some kind of public inquiry and what and what it 8358 03:58:44,599 --> 03:58:45,900 inquiry and what and what it will about what they did. and 8359 03:58:45,900 --> 03:58:46,900 will about what they did. and that’s why they’re behaving in 8360 03:58:46,900 --> 03:58:48,700 that’s why they’re behaving in such a careful and cautious 8361 03:58:48,700 --> 03:58:50,467 such a careful and cautious way, but at the end of the day 8362 03:58:50,467 --> 03:58:51,799 way, but at the end of the day as Judy Hartley, Brewer said 8363 03:58:51,799 --> 03:58:52,900 as Judy Hartley, Brewer said this morning, there’s an awful 8364 03:58:52,900 --> 03:58:54,434 this morning, there’s an awful lot of people suffering small 8365 03:58:54,434 --> 03:58:56,467 lot of people suffering small business suffering hospitality 8366 03:58:56,467 --> 03:58:57,900 business suffering hospitality business suffering the travel 8367 03:58:57,900 --> 03:58:59,367 business suffering the travel business suffering all sorts of 8368 03:58:59,367 --> 03:59:00,766 business suffering all sorts of people running private 8369 03:59:00,766 --> 03:59:02,599 people running private individual shops. Retailers 8370 03:59:02,599 --> 03:59:04,400 individual shops. Retailers suffering you know this is not 8371 03:59:04,400 --> 03:59:05,833 suffering you know this is not just about stopping a virus. 8372 03:59:05,833 --> 03:59:07,166 just about stopping a virus. This is not just about making 8373 03:59:07,166 --> 03:59:08,599 This is not just about making sure uh that nobody dies 8374 03:59:08,599 --> 03:59:10,300 sure uh that nobody dies because. You can’t ensure that 8375 03:59:10,300 --> 03:59:11,800 because. You can’t ensure that nobody does it’s a virus, but 8376 03:59:11,800 --> 03:59:13,500 nobody does it’s a virus, but we’ve just heard from doctor 8377 03:59:13,500 --> 03:59:16,834 we’ve just heard from doctor Claire Crate, who says um that 8378 03:59:16,834 --> 03:59:18,900 Claire Crate, who says um that basically this is not what they 8379 03:59:18,900 --> 03:59:21,067 basically this is not what they are saying that it is we want 8380 03:59:21,067 --> 03:59:23,800 are saying that it is we want more for more of you as well. 8381 03:59:23,800 --> 03:59:24,567 more for more of you as well. 034491 thousand. let’s get some 8382 03:59:24,567 --> 03:59:25,934 034491 thousand. let’s get some news headlines in Charlotte 8383 03:59:25,934 --> 03:59:28,867 news headlines in Charlotte Fisher Talk Radio half hour 8384 03:59:28,867 --> 03:59:31,034 Fisher Talk Radio half hour headlines It’s reported an 8385 03:59:31,034 --> 03:59:32,099 headlines It’s reported an investigation into claims of 8386 03:59:32,099 --> 03:59:34,300 investigation into claims of bullying by home Secretary 8387 03:59:34,300 --> 03:59:36,799 bullying by home Secretary Patel has found she broke the 8388 03:59:36,799 --> 03:59:37,800 Patel has found she broke the ministerial code a Cabinet 8389 03:59:37,800 --> 03:59:39,200 ministerial code a Cabinet office investigation was 8390 03:59:39,200 --> 03:59:41,034 office investigation was launched in March over 8391 03:59:41,034 --> 03:59:41,800 launched in March over allegations that pretty 8392 03:59:41,800 --> 03:59:42,733 allegations that pretty belittled colleagues and 8393 03:59:42,733 --> 03:59:44,000 belittled colleagues and clashed with senior officials 8394 03:59:44,000 --> 03:59:46,400 clashed with senior officials claims she’s. Health Secretary 8395 03:59:46,400 --> 03:59:47,767 claims she’s. Health Secretary Matt Hancock says Miss Patel is 8396 03:59:47,767 --> 03:59:49,899 Matt Hancock says Miss Patel is focused on her work and in his 8397 03:59:49,899 --> 03:59:51,200 focused on her work and in his opinion doing a great job. The 8398 03:59:51,200 --> 03:59:53,466 opinion doing a great job. The truth is that she’s also 8399 03:59:53,466 --> 03:59:54,833 truth is that she’s also absolutely determined to 8400 03:59:54,833 --> 03:59:56,799 absolutely determined to deliver on the priorities on 8401 03:59:56,799 --> 03:59:58,733 deliver on the priorities on which we were elected like uh 8402 03:59:58,733 --> 04:00:01,466 which we were elected like uh hiring 20000 more police to 8403 04:00:01,466 --> 04:00:03,966 hiring 20000 more police to keep people safe and uh that’s 8404 04:00:03,966 --> 04:00:05,466 keep people safe and uh that’s been she’s been delivering on 8405 04:00:05,466 --> 04:00:06,733 been she’s been delivering on that we’ve already had over 8406 04:00:06,733 --> 04:00:10,367 that we’ve already had over 5000 so um the uh you know I’d 8407 04:00:10,367 --> 04:00:13,034 5000 so um the uh you know I’d I think that uh is doing an 8408 04:00:13,034 --> 04:00:14,000 I think that uh is doing an excellent job public sector 8409 04:00:14,000 --> 04:00:16,434 excellent job public sector working. Accept Front-line NS 8410 04:00:16,434 --> 04:00:17,634 working. Accept Front-line NS are expected to be told next 8411 04:00:17,634 --> 04:00:19,466 are expected to be told next week that they won’t be getting 8412 04:00:19,466 --> 04:00:20,600 week that they won’t be getting any pay increase for at least a 8413 04:00:20,600 --> 04:00:22,300 any pay increase for at least a year, The chancellor is hoping 8414 04:00:22,300 --> 04:00:23,899 year, The chancellor is hoping to save 2000000000 pounds as he 8415 04:00:23,899 --> 04:00:24,866 to save 2000000000 pounds as he tries to claw claw back some of 8416 04:00:24,866 --> 04:00:27,034 tries to claw claw back some of the spent during the pandemic 8417 04:00:27,034 --> 04:00:28,600 the spent during the pandemic Roberts Co director of the Cbs 8418 04:00:28,600 --> 04:00:30,300 Roberts Co director of the Cbs think Tank, made the 8419 04:00:30,300 --> 04:00:31,767 think Tank, made the recommendation in report, he 8420 04:00:31,767 --> 04:00:34,434 recommendation in report, he says savings must be made that 8421 04:00:34,434 --> 04:00:35,767 says savings must be made that is going to be enormously 8422 04:00:35,767 --> 04:00:36,600 is going to be enormously expensive. We’re going to be 8423 04:00:36,600 --> 04:00:38,400 expensive. We’re going to be left with a smaller economy at 8424 04:00:38,400 --> 04:00:40,000 left with a smaller economy at the largest state and the way 8425 04:00:40,000 --> 04:00:41,466 the largest state and the way to avoid austerity in the sense 8426 04:00:41,466 --> 04:00:42,699 to avoid austerity in the sense of you know you know having to 8427 04:00:42,699 --> 04:00:43,634 of you know you know having to you know, cut like department 8428 04:00:43,634 --> 04:00:45,333 you know, cut like department budget. Having to make a lay 8429 04:00:45,333 --> 04:00:46,000 budget. Having to make a lay off all that kind of stuff is 8430 04:00:46,000 --> 04:00:47,299 off all that kind of stuff is to is to try to make statements 8431 04:00:47,299 --> 04:00:48,699 to is to try to make statements which I was as painless as 8432 04:00:48,699 --> 04:00:50,266 which I was as painless as possible, The Corona virus 8433 04:00:50,266 --> 04:00:52,266 possible, The Corona virus locked down in Northern island 8434 04:00:52,266 --> 04:00:53,899 locked down in Northern island is being extended for another 2 8435 04:00:53,899 --> 04:00:55,767 is being extended for another 2 weeks from next Friday, This 8436 04:00:55,767 --> 04:00:56,600 weeks from next Friday, This means cafes and a hairdressers 8437 04:00:56,600 --> 04:00:58,733 means cafes and a hairdressers will reopen but only for a week 8438 04:00:58,733 --> 04:01:00,434 will reopen but only for a week while pubs and restaurants will 8439 04:01:00,434 --> 04:01:02,000 while pubs and restaurants will stay closed until mid elsewhere 8440 04:01:02,000 --> 04:01:04,333 stay closed until mid elsewhere in Scotland, Eleven areas will 8441 04:01:04,333 --> 04:01:05,966 in Scotland, Eleven areas will go into level four restrictions 8442 04:01:05,966 --> 04:01:07,899 go into level four restrictions from 6 PM this evening. The new 8443 04:01:07,899 --> 04:01:08,699 from 6 PM this evening. The new rules will come into force for 8444 04:01:08,699 --> 04:01:09,966 rules will come into force for more than 2000000 people, 8445 04:01:09,966 --> 04:01:11,800 more than 2000000 people, including in Glasgow, sterling 8446 04:01:11,800 --> 04:01:13,967 including in Glasgow, sterling and much of. Shops, 8447 04:01:13,967 --> 04:01:15,634 and much of. Shops, restaurants, cafes and pubs 8448 04:01:15,634 --> 04:01:17,399 restaurants, cafes and pubs will be shut for 3 weeks and 8449 04:01:17,399 --> 04:01:18,833 will be shut for 3 weeks and looking at the weather bright 8450 04:01:18,833 --> 04:01:20,367 looking at the weather bright but breezy for most of today 8451 04:01:20,367 --> 04:01:21,966 but breezy for most of today outbreaks of rain in the west 8452 04:01:21,966 --> 04:01:23,266 outbreaks of rain in the west that will move gradually east 8453 04:01:23,266 --> 04:01:25,333 that will move gradually east but dry by this evening Ian 8454 04:01:25,333 --> 04:01:27,034 but dry by this evening Ian Collins weekday afternoons from 8455 04:01:27,034 --> 04:01:29,899 Collins weekday afternoons from one on talk radio. Join me in 8456 04:01:29,899 --> 04:01:31,634 one on talk radio. Join me in Collins weekday piece from 1 PM 8457 04:01:31,634 --> 04:01:33,399 Collins weekday piece from 1 PM and not just the latest news of 8458 04:01:33,399 --> 04:01:35,034 and not just the latest news of breaking stories but analysis 8459 04:01:35,034 --> 04:01:37,399 breaking stories but analysis from every eight Ian Collins. I 8460 04:01:37,399 --> 04:01:38,099 from every eight Ian Collins. I promise you. This you. This is 8461 04:01:38,099 --> 04:01:39,966 promise you. This you. This is like other current affairs 8462 04:01:39,966 --> 04:01:41,466 like other current affairs program out weekday afternoons 8463 04:01:41,466 --> 04:01:46,766 program out weekday afternoons from one on top. Radio Mid 8464 04:01:46,766 --> 04:01:49,466 from one on top. Radio Mid morning with Mike Graham talk 8465 04:01:49,466 --> 04:01:51,466 morning with Mike Graham talk Radio, the Independent Republic 8466 04:01:51,466 --> 04:01:54,133 Radio, the Independent Republic of Mike Graham on Top radio 8467 04:01:54,133 --> 04:01:55,434 of Mike Graham on Top radio welcome back to the Independent 8468 04:01:55,434 --> 04:01:56,767 welcome back to the Independent Republic of my right here on 8469 04:01:56,767 --> 04:01:58,000 Republic of my right here on Talk Radio. It is Friday, of 8470 04:01:58,000 --> 04:01:59,333 Talk Radio. It is Friday, of course, which means only one 8471 04:01:59,333 --> 04:02:00,634 course, which means only one thing the awards will be 8472 04:02:00,634 --> 04:02:01,900 thing the awards will be popping up in the last hour of 8473 04:02:01,900 --> 04:02:02,766 popping up in the last hour of the show. We’ll be doing an 8474 04:02:02,766 --> 04:02:04,399 the show. We’ll be doing an awful lot uh more about the Pos 8475 04:02:04,399 --> 04:02:05,767 awful lot uh more about the Pos as well because of course uh 8476 04:02:05,767 --> 04:02:07,333 as well because of course uh fairy tale in New York now uh 8477 04:02:07,333 --> 04:02:09,267 fairy tale in New York now uh cannot be played on Radio one 8478 04:02:09,267 --> 04:02:09,966 cannot be played on Radio one uh not in its original form 8479 04:02:09,966 --> 04:02:12,399 uh not in its original form anyway otherwise uh if they do 8480 04:02:12,399 --> 04:02:13,599 anyway otherwise uh if they do people might get offended uh 8481 04:02:13,599 --> 04:02:14,799 people might get offended uh but apparently the post got so 8482 04:02:14,799 --> 04:02:15,799 but apparently the post got so offended by me saying that 8483 04:02:15,799 --> 04:02:16,767 offended by me saying that people would get uh offended 8484 04:02:16,767 --> 04:02:19,167 people would get uh offended and that. Ridiculous uh that 8485 04:02:19,167 --> 04:02:20,467 and that. Ridiculous uh that they blocked me so uh we’ve now 8486 04:02:20,467 --> 04:02:21,733 they blocked me so uh we’ve now gone full circle in the old 8487 04:02:21,733 --> 04:02:23,267 gone full circle in the old world of fiscal correctness. 8488 04:02:23,267 --> 04:02:24,434 world of fiscal correctness. Quite bizarre isn’t it, and 8489 04:02:24,434 --> 04:02:25,767 Quite bizarre isn’t it, and there’s always the opportunity 8490 04:02:25,767 --> 04:02:27,000 there’s always the opportunity of course to suggest that the 8491 04:02:27,000 --> 04:02:28,533 of course to suggest that the poe’s official um Twitter 8492 04:02:28,533 --> 04:02:30,000 poe’s official um Twitter account is not actually run by 8493 04:02:30,000 --> 04:02:31,300 account is not actually run by anybody in the posts because 8494 04:02:31,300 --> 04:02:32,301 anybody in the posts because they’re all too busy lying 8495 04:02:32,301 --> 04:02:33,567 they’re all too busy lying around suffering from hangovers 8496 04:02:33,567 --> 04:02:35,267 around suffering from hangovers from hell who knows I couldn’t 8497 04:02:35,267 --> 04:02:36,567 from hell who knows I couldn’t possibly comment, but let’s 8498 04:02:36,567 --> 04:02:37,867 possibly comment, but let’s talk to Henry Hill because one 8499 04:02:37,867 --> 04:02:39,434 talk to Henry Hill because one of the things we don’t, of 8500 04:02:39,434 --> 04:02:41,500 of the things we don’t, of course um allow on this show on 8501 04:02:41,500 --> 04:02:42,000 course um allow on this show on the independent Republic 8502 04:02:42,000 --> 04:02:43,300 the independent Republic migrants and he’s form of 8503 04:02:43,300 --> 04:02:45,167 migrants and he’s form of bullying of any kind that’s 8504 04:02:45,167 --> 04:02:46,133 bullying of any kind that’s just not allowed uh but uh 8505 04:02:46,133 --> 04:02:48,299 just not allowed uh but uh we’ve had all. People this 8506 04:02:48,299 --> 04:02:49,066 we’ve had all. People this morning rolled out to defend 8507 04:02:49,066 --> 04:02:51,233 morning rolled out to defend pretty Patel the home secretary 8508 04:02:51,233 --> 04:02:52,800 pretty Patel the home secretary uh because she supposedly, 8509 04:02:52,800 --> 04:02:53,967 uh because she supposedly, according to a secret report, 8510 04:02:53,967 --> 04:02:55,300 according to a secret report, which is not yet been seen by 8511 04:02:55,300 --> 04:02:56,967 which is not yet been seen by anyone uh broken ministerial 8512 04:02:56,967 --> 04:02:58,833 anyone uh broken ministerial codes. Let’s talk to Henry Hill 8513 04:02:58,833 --> 04:02:59,466 codes. Let’s talk to Henry Hill assistant editor for the 8514 04:02:59,466 --> 04:03:00,866 assistant editor for the servant of Home Henry Very good 8515 04:03:00,866 --> 04:03:03,067 servant of Home Henry Very good morning to you Good morning. 8516 04:03:03,067 --> 04:03:03,767 morning to you Good morning. Mike. Thanks very much. Indeed 8517 04:03:03,767 --> 04:03:04,634 Mike. Thanks very much. Indeed for joining us. This is a bit 8518 04:03:04,634 --> 04:03:06,033 for joining us. This is a bit of a distraction from covet 8519 04:03:06,033 --> 04:03:07,300 of a distraction from covet isn’t that just when you 8520 04:03:07,300 --> 04:03:07,966 isn’t that just when you thought everything had sort of 8521 04:03:07,966 --> 04:03:09,900 thought everything had sort of gone away uh as far as the home 8522 04:03:09,900 --> 04:03:12,233 gone away uh as far as the home office is concerned, um what 8523 04:03:12,233 --> 04:03:13,966 office is concerned, um what are you making of it? All Patel 8524 04:03:13,966 --> 04:03:16,167 are you making of it? All Patel guilty of bullying stuff in the 8525 04:03:16,167 --> 04:03:17,034 guilty of bullying stuff in the front page of the times? Well, 8526 04:03:17,034 --> 04:03:19,434 front page of the times? Well, I mean it. Unfortunate that the 8527 04:03:19,434 --> 04:03:20,066 I mean it. Unfortunate that the government has chosen not to 8528 04:03:20,066 --> 04:03:21,767 government has chosen not to publish this report yet it’s 8529 04:03:21,767 --> 04:03:22,533 publish this report yet it’s it’s not under any compulsion 8530 04:03:22,533 --> 04:03:23,933 it’s not under any compulsion to, but it means that now that 8531 04:03:23,933 --> 04:03:25,867 to, but it means that now that it’s been been leaked. now 8532 04:03:25,867 --> 04:03:27,434 it’s been been leaked. now stuck speculating without the 8533 04:03:27,434 --> 04:03:29,400 stuck speculating without the without the with the advantage 8534 04:03:29,400 --> 04:03:30,233 without the with the advantage of the full facts. I don’t see 8535 04:03:30,233 --> 04:03:32,066 of the full facts. I don’t see nobody wants to prejudge what 8536 04:03:32,066 --> 04:03:34,133 nobody wants to prejudge what that actually says, as far as I 8537 04:03:34,133 --> 04:03:35,800 that actually says, as far as I can tell the the the report 8538 04:03:35,800 --> 04:03:37,167 can tell the the the report seems to come down against both 8539 04:03:37,167 --> 04:03:39,299 seems to come down against both parties. really, it says Yes, 8540 04:03:39,299 --> 04:03:39,967 parties. really, it says Yes, Patel does appear to have 8541 04:03:39,967 --> 04:03:42,567 Patel does appear to have reached the ministerial code um 8542 04:03:42,567 --> 04:03:44,767 reached the ministerial code um in her conduct with regards to 8543 04:03:44,767 --> 04:03:45,567 in her conduct with regards to members of the civil service, 8544 04:03:45,567 --> 04:03:46,867 members of the civil service, the home office, which is 8545 04:03:46,867 --> 04:03:47,500 the home office, which is obviously serious but it also 8546 04:03:47,500 --> 04:03:49,966 obviously serious but it also says that the The civil servant 8547 04:03:49,966 --> 04:03:51,567 says that the The civil servant themselves nobody at the home 8548 04:03:51,567 --> 04:03:53,966 themselves nobody at the home office raised this with Patel 8549 04:03:53,966 --> 04:03:54,700 office raised this with Patel herself. They went straight to 8550 04:03:54,700 --> 04:03:56,767 herself. They went straight to the home office disciplinary 8551 04:03:56,767 --> 04:03:57,833 the home office disciplinary procedures making bullying 8552 04:03:57,833 --> 04:03:59,466 procedures making bullying complaints and therefore what 8553 04:03:59,466 --> 04:04:01,799 complaints and therefore what the report says is that pretty 8554 04:04:01,799 --> 04:04:02,467 the report says is that pretty Patel never had an opportunity 8555 04:04:02,467 --> 04:04:04,800 Patel never had an opportunity to change her behavior. She was 8556 04:04:04,800 --> 04:04:06,567 to change her behavior. She was never told about the impact it 8557 04:04:06,567 --> 04:04:07,234 never told about the impact it was having on other people and 8558 04:04:07,234 --> 04:04:09,300 was having on other people and I think some I think that’s 8559 04:04:09,300 --> 04:04:11,534 I think some I think that’s possibly the problem here is 8560 04:04:11,534 --> 04:04:12,334 possibly the problem here is that there’s a different 8561 04:04:12,334 --> 04:04:14,334 that there’s a different between a if you like an 8562 04:04:14,334 --> 04:04:15,467 between a if you like an inappropriate management style, 8563 04:04:15,467 --> 04:04:17,034 inappropriate management style, which does have a negative 8564 04:04:17,034 --> 04:04:18,467 which does have a negative context on staff and deliberate 8565 04:04:18,467 --> 04:04:20,301 context on staff and deliberate bullying. And the problem is 8566 04:04:20,301 --> 04:04:21,933 bullying. And the problem is that patrol was never told 8567 04:04:21,933 --> 04:04:23,100 that patrol was never told about what she was doing and 8568 04:04:23,100 --> 04:04:24,799 about what she was doing and never given an opportunity to 8569 04:04:24,799 --> 04:04:26,000 never given an opportunity to change. how do we you know it 8570 04:04:26,000 --> 04:04:27,567 change. how do we you know it makes it much harder to tell to 8571 04:04:27,567 --> 04:04:28,766 makes it much harder to tell to tell whether or not deliberate 8572 04:04:28,766 --> 04:04:30,867 tell whether or not deliberate misconduct Yes or as the 8573 04:04:30,867 --> 04:04:31,599 misconduct Yes or as the report, says accidental, which 8574 04:04:31,599 --> 04:04:33,067 report, says accidental, which again is how it would work in 8575 04:04:33,067 --> 04:04:34,000 again is how it would work in the private sector cuz 8576 04:04:34,000 --> 04:04:35,267 the private sector cuz obviously we’re talking this 8577 04:04:35,267 --> 04:04:36,634 obviously we’re talking this morning a little bit about uh 8578 04:04:36,634 --> 04:04:37,834 morning a little bit about uh private sector and public 8579 04:04:37,834 --> 04:04:39,533 private sector and public sector. They may well be a 8580 04:04:39,533 --> 04:04:40,634 sector. They may well be a public sector pay pay freeze 8581 04:04:40,634 --> 04:04:41,367 public sector pay pay freeze coming along and an awful lot 8582 04:04:41,367 --> 04:04:42,900 coming along and an awful lot of comparisons that get made 8583 04:04:42,900 --> 04:04:44,267 of comparisons that get made during this pandemic whereby, 8584 04:04:44,267 --> 04:04:44,967 during this pandemic whereby, for example, it seems to be 8585 04:04:44,967 --> 04:04:46,867 for example, it seems to be people in the private sector 8586 04:04:46,867 --> 04:04:48,867 people in the private sector bearing the brunt of the. Of 8587 04:04:48,867 --> 04:04:51,434 bearing the brunt of the. Of the lockdown regulations and 8588 04:04:51,434 --> 04:04:52,334 the lockdown regulations and bearing the front of the loss 8589 04:04:52,334 --> 04:04:53,800 bearing the front of the loss of income and all of that, but 8590 04:04:53,800 --> 04:04:55,300 of income and all of that, but also, I mean interesting that 8591 04:04:55,300 --> 04:04:57,100 also, I mean interesting that the report is leaked because 8592 04:04:57,100 --> 04:04:58,267 the report is leaked because Philip Brockman, the man that 8593 04:04:58,267 --> 04:05:00,634 Philip Brockman, the man that started all this who was paid a 8594 04:05:00,634 --> 04:05:01,967 started all this who was paid a bucket load more money than 8595 04:05:01,967 --> 04:05:04,300 bucket load more money than could was um and it was a 8596 04:05:04,300 --> 04:05:04,900 could was um and it was a career civil servant was 8597 04:05:04,900 --> 04:05:06,634 career civil servant was accused of leaking in the first 8598 04:05:06,634 --> 04:05:08,800 accused of leaking in the first place, which is one of the 8599 04:05:08,800 --> 04:05:10,300 place, which is one of the reasons there was a row Indeed, 8600 04:05:10,300 --> 04:05:12,567 reasons there was a row Indeed, he’s now I think I think he’s 8601 04:05:12,567 --> 04:05:14,234 he’s now I think I think he’s now um suing the government for 8602 04:05:14,234 --> 04:05:14,967 now um suing the government for constructive dismissed by the 8603 04:05:14,967 --> 04:05:16,666 constructive dismissed by the way that he ended up living the 8604 04:05:16,666 --> 04:05:17,467 way that he ended up living the civil service. Yeah, I mean 8605 04:05:17,467 --> 04:05:18,299 civil service. Yeah, I mean they’re leaking is unhealthy. 8606 04:05:18,299 --> 04:05:19,533 they’re leaking is unhealthy. You know it’s a sign of how 8607 04:05:19,533 --> 04:05:20,800 You know it’s a sign of how divided the government is in 8608 04:05:20,800 --> 04:05:22,333 divided the government is in some respect, but this is this 8609 04:05:22,333 --> 04:05:22,900 some respect, but this is this has been leaked. Apparently 8610 04:05:22,900 --> 04:05:23,733 has been leaked. Apparently it’s been sitting on the prime 8611 04:05:23,733 --> 04:05:25,900 it’s been sitting on the prime minister. That for a couple of 8612 04:05:25,900 --> 04:05:27,434 minister. That for a couple of months, but you can understand 8613 04:05:27,434 --> 04:05:28,999 months, but you can understand on the other hand, why um that 8614 04:05:28,999 --> 04:05:30,399 on the other hand, why um that not necessarily the big 8615 04:05:30,399 --> 04:05:31,634 not necessarily the big mandarins cuz they can they can 8616 04:05:31,634 --> 04:05:32,634 mandarins cuz they can they can clearly defend for themselves, 8617 04:05:32,634 --> 04:05:33,833 clearly defend for themselves, but junior civil civil would be 8618 04:05:33,833 --> 04:05:35,200 but junior civil civil would be would be aggravated that this 8619 04:05:35,200 --> 04:05:36,667 would be aggravated that this has been through a formal 8620 04:05:36,667 --> 04:05:37,900 has been through a formal process and yet the prime 8621 04:05:37,900 --> 04:05:38,334 process and yet the prime minister has apparently done 8622 04:05:38,334 --> 04:05:40,333 minister has apparently done nothing about it and even if if 8623 04:05:40,333 --> 04:05:40,999 nothing about it and even if if it’s true that Boris Johnson is 8624 04:05:40,999 --> 04:05:43,333 it’s true that Boris Johnson is going to ask to make an apology 8625 04:05:43,333 --> 04:05:45,767 going to ask to make an apology and issue her formal reprimand, 8626 04:05:45,767 --> 04:05:48,667 and issue her formal reprimand, not dismiss, then why did it 8627 04:05:48,667 --> 04:05:50,467 not dismiss, then why did it take a leak 2 months after the 8628 04:05:50,467 --> 04:05:51,567 take a leak 2 months after the report came out for that to 8629 04:05:51,567 --> 04:05:52,999 report came out for that to happen so that the legitimate 8630 04:05:52,999 --> 04:05:54,066 happen so that the legitimate question that needs to be asked 8631 04:05:54,066 --> 04:05:55,300 question that needs to be asked for the prime minister, I mean, 8632 04:05:55,300 --> 04:05:56,733 for the prime minister, I mean, will this be laid firmly at the 8633 04:05:56,733 --> 04:05:58,000 will this be laid firmly at the door of Dominic Cummings and 8634 04:05:58,000 --> 04:05:59,634 door of Dominic Cummings and these sort of outgoing less 8635 04:05:59,634 --> 04:06:03,434 these sort of outgoing less kind. Of the administration, I 8636 04:06:03,434 --> 04:06:04,999 kind. Of the administration, I mean it might I you’re I’m not 8637 04:06:04,999 --> 04:06:06,667 mean it might I you’re I’m not in the position to speculate 8638 04:06:06,667 --> 04:06:07,634 in the position to speculate whether this is actually I 8639 04:06:07,634 --> 04:06:08,800 whether this is actually I mean, but I certainly think 8640 04:06:08,800 --> 04:06:10,000 mean, but I certainly think that it is generally the case 8641 04:06:10,000 --> 04:06:11,733 that it is generally the case that when you’ve just booted 8642 04:06:11,733 --> 04:06:13,167 that when you’ve just booted out somebody um it makes sense 8643 04:06:13,167 --> 04:06:15,299 out somebody um it makes sense to try and keep as much of the 8644 04:06:15,299 --> 04:06:16,733 to try and keep as much of the we’ve all seen that happen 8645 04:06:16,733 --> 04:06:18,667 we’ve all seen that happen before it must say John Redwood 8646 04:06:18,667 --> 04:06:20,767 before it must say John Redwood put a government. No exactly I 8647 04:06:20,767 --> 04:06:22,000 put a government. No exactly I mean Redwood put an interesting 8648 04:06:22,000 --> 04:06:22,867 mean Redwood put an interesting tweet this morning issue at the 8649 04:06:22,867 --> 04:06:24,267 tweet this morning issue at the home office should be why did 8650 04:06:24,267 --> 04:06:24,999 home office should be why did some officials resist 8651 04:06:24,999 --> 04:06:25,966 some officials resist controlling our borders and 8652 04:06:25,966 --> 04:06:27,667 controlling our borders and tackling the scourge of people 8653 04:06:27,667 --> 04:06:28,867 tackling the scourge of people trafficking across the channel. 8654 04:06:28,867 --> 04:06:30,000 trafficking across the channel. The The home secretary rightly 8655 04:06:30,000 --> 04:06:30,700 The The home secretary rightly been trying to enforce the law 8656 04:06:30,700 --> 04:06:31,767 been trying to enforce the law to stop crying and there’s no 8657 04:06:31,767 --> 04:06:33,567 to stop crying and there’s no doubt that in the back. To this 8658 04:06:33,567 --> 04:06:35,800 doubt that in the back. To this whole dispute, if you like has 8659 04:06:35,800 --> 04:06:37,634 whole dispute, if you like has been the kind of reluctance and 8660 04:06:37,634 --> 04:06:39,199 been the kind of reluctance and the reel of the home office and 8661 04:06:39,199 --> 04:06:41,133 the reel of the home office and of the civil servants in that 8662 04:06:41,133 --> 04:06:42,634 of the civil servants in that home office to kind of what 8663 04:06:42,634 --> 04:06:43,867 home office to kind of what would appear to be carry out 8664 04:06:43,867 --> 04:06:45,667 would appear to be carry out what the home secretary wants 8665 04:06:45,667 --> 04:06:46,999 what the home secretary wants them to do. Yeah absolutely. 8666 04:06:46,999 --> 04:06:47,767 them to do. Yeah absolutely. And this is one of the reasons 8667 04:06:47,767 --> 04:06:49,167 And this is one of the reasons reasons that Dominic come. this 8668 04:06:49,167 --> 04:06:49,867 reasons that Dominic come. this is one of the things that 8669 04:06:49,867 --> 04:06:50,467 is one of the things that Dominic Cummings really did 8670 04:06:50,467 --> 04:06:51,199 Dominic Cummings really did have a point on is the fact 8671 04:06:51,199 --> 04:06:53,267 have a point on is the fact that you know the civil service 8672 04:06:53,267 --> 04:06:54,766 that you know the civil service does genuinely given that 8673 04:06:54,766 --> 04:06:55,634 does genuinely given that there’s been quite a bit. you 8674 04:06:55,634 --> 04:06:57,067 there’s been quite a bit. you know since Blair, at at least 8675 04:06:57,067 --> 04:06:58,267 know since Blair, at at least there’s been quite a policy 8676 04:06:58,267 --> 04:06:59,767 there’s been quite a policy consensus and the civil service 8677 04:06:59,767 --> 04:07:01,034 consensus and the civil service elements of the civil service 8678 04:07:01,034 --> 04:07:02,500 elements of the civil service are having real trouble 8679 04:07:02,500 --> 04:07:03,199 are having real trouble changing courses. Patel is not 8680 04:07:03,199 --> 04:07:05,133 changing courses. Patel is not the only department where we’ve 8681 04:07:05,133 --> 04:07:05,599 the only department where we’ve had this problem. The prime 8682 04:07:05,599 --> 04:07:06,899 had this problem. The prime minister was reported. The 8683 04:07:06,899 --> 04:07:07,867 minister was reported. The absolutely furious when to pick 8684 04:07:07,867 --> 04:07:09,666 absolutely furious when to pick an example of run. The Northern 8685 04:07:09,666 --> 04:07:10,999 an example of run. The Northern Ireland office went and hatched 8686 04:07:10,999 --> 04:07:13,366 Ireland office went and hatched a deal to get on back on its 8687 04:07:13,366 --> 04:07:13,967 a deal to get on back on its feet, which which completely 8688 04:07:13,967 --> 04:07:15,067 feet, which which completely undermine the prime Brexit 8689 04:07:15,067 --> 04:07:16,999 undermine the prime Brexit negotiating position and nobody 8690 04:07:16,999 --> 04:07:17,834 negotiating position and nobody in Downing Street. So anyone 8691 04:07:17,834 --> 04:07:19,000 in Downing Street. So anyone else knew what that deal was 8692 04:07:19,000 --> 04:07:21,434 else knew what that deal was going to say until the Northern 8693 04:07:21,434 --> 04:07:22,366 going to say until the Northern Island Secretary Julian Smith 8694 04:07:22,366 --> 04:07:22,999 Island Secretary Julian Smith announced it, it was just 8695 04:07:22,999 --> 04:07:24,933 announced it, it was just completely done in this Silo 8696 04:07:24,933 --> 04:07:26,467 completely done in this Silo without reference to the rest 8697 04:07:26,467 --> 04:07:27,199 without reference to the rest of the government’s agenda. So 8698 04:07:27,199 --> 04:07:30,434 of the government’s agenda. So yes the ministers are in many 8699 04:07:30,434 --> 04:07:31,366 yes the ministers are in many expects pushing uphill to try 8700 04:07:31,366 --> 04:07:33,434 expects pushing uphill to try and get the civil service to to 8701 04:07:33,434 --> 04:07:35,133 and get the civil service to to grow in behind an agenda with 8702 04:07:35,133 --> 04:07:36,534 grow in behind an agenda with Richard Disapprove and I think 8703 04:07:36,534 --> 04:07:39,767 Richard Disapprove and I think the problem is that. Gender and 8704 04:07:39,767 --> 04:07:40,367 the problem is that. Gender and that class with the senior 8705 04:07:40,367 --> 04:07:43,867 that class with the senior civil servant is being mixed up 8706 04:07:43,867 --> 04:07:46,399 civil servant is being mixed up with the question of how of 8707 04:07:46,399 --> 04:07:47,767 with the question of how of treatment of junior staff and 8708 04:07:47,767 --> 04:07:49,333 treatment of junior staff and and that’s that that be 8709 04:07:49,333 --> 04:07:50,267 and that’s that that be disagreed as quickly as 8710 04:07:50,267 --> 04:07:51,000 disagreed as quickly as possible. Yes, I think that’s 8711 04:07:51,000 --> 04:07:52,399 possible. Yes, I think that’s right and once again, I suppose 8712 04:07:52,399 --> 04:07:54,434 right and once again, I suppose you’d have to come down on the 8713 04:07:54,434 --> 04:07:55,966 you’d have to come down on the side of um confusion. wouldn’t 8714 04:07:55,966 --> 04:07:57,667 side of um confusion. wouldn’t you when it comes to talking 8715 04:07:57,667 --> 04:07:58,599 you when it comes to talking about government communications 8716 04:07:58,599 --> 04:08:00,000 about government communications and the way that Boris Johnson 8717 04:08:00,000 --> 04:08:01,800 and the way that Boris Johnson and his cabinet and Downing 8718 04:08:01,800 --> 04:08:02,967 and his cabinet and Downing Street in general actually 8719 04:08:02,967 --> 04:08:04,500 Street in general actually allow the spread of information 8720 04:08:04,500 --> 04:08:06,066 allow the spread of information because they’re not controlling 8721 04:08:06,066 --> 04:08:07,233 because they’re not controlling it very well. are they no 8722 04:08:07,233 --> 04:08:09,466 it very well. are they no they’re not I. I mean the 8723 04:08:09,466 --> 04:08:10,767 they’re not I. I mean the government’s message discipline 8724 04:08:10,767 --> 04:08:12,266 government’s message discipline is remarkably terrible. I mean 8725 04:08:12,266 --> 04:08:13,500 is remarkably terrible. I mean if you think about the fight, I 8726 04:08:13,500 --> 04:08:14,066 if you think about the fight, I was saying you know with the 8727 04:08:14,066 --> 04:08:15,966 was saying you know with the previous Boris Johnson had when 8728 04:08:15,966 --> 04:08:17,466 previous Boris Johnson had when he when he’s went off about 8729 04:08:17,466 --> 04:08:18,766 he when he’s went off about evolution, we had three or 4 8730 04:08:18,766 --> 04:08:20,334 evolution, we had three or 4 days of headlines about the 8731 04:08:20,334 --> 04:08:21,067 days of headlines about the evolution when we should have 8732 04:08:21,067 --> 04:08:21,667 evolution when we should have been talking about the fact 8733 04:08:21,667 --> 04:08:22,867 been talking about the fact that there’s a vaccine coming. 8734 04:08:22,867 --> 04:08:24,033 that there’s a vaccine coming. That’s an amazing good news 8735 04:08:24,033 --> 04:08:24,799 That’s an amazing good news story. The government should 8736 04:08:24,799 --> 04:08:25,533 story. The government should have been shouting it in the 8737 04:08:25,533 --> 04:08:26,800 have been shouting it in the rooftops. Instead, we’ve had a 8738 04:08:26,800 --> 04:08:28,400 rooftops. Instead, we’ve had a series of rounds about other 8739 04:08:28,400 --> 04:08:29,967 series of rounds about other things that given and you know, 8740 04:08:29,967 --> 04:08:30,933 things that given and you know, I think this is one of the 8741 04:08:30,933 --> 04:08:31,900 I think this is one of the reasons that people started 8742 04:08:31,900 --> 04:08:33,399 reasons that people started getting well, one of the many 8743 04:08:33,399 --> 04:08:34,133 getting well, one of the many reasons that people started 8744 04:08:34,133 --> 04:08:34,999 reasons that people started getting angry at Dominic 8745 04:08:34,999 --> 04:08:35,967 getting angry at Dominic Cummings is that one thing that 8746 04:08:35,967 --> 04:08:37,767 Cummings is that one thing that one thing to vote leaf. We’re 8747 04:08:37,767 --> 04:08:39,067 one thing to vote leaf. We’re supposed to be really good at 8748 04:08:39,067 --> 04:08:40,666 supposed to be really good at is messaging and campaigning 8749 04:08:40,666 --> 04:08:41,334 is messaging and campaigning you know whatever their 8750 04:08:41,334 --> 04:08:42,766 you know whatever their shortcomings in terms of actual 8751 04:08:42,766 --> 04:08:43,866 shortcomings in terms of actual governance that was supposed to 8752 04:08:43,866 --> 04:08:45,567 governance that was supposed to be their strength and yet here 8753 04:08:45,567 --> 04:08:46,200 be their strength and yet here we are with the government 8754 04:08:46,200 --> 04:08:47,334 we are with the government being run from Pillar to post 8755 04:08:47,334 --> 04:08:49,399 being run from Pillar to post when to be in the media. So 8756 04:08:49,399 --> 04:08:50,066 when to be in the media. So yeah, the government absolutely 8757 04:08:50,066 --> 04:08:51,700 yeah, the government absolutely does need to go to on this 8758 04:08:51,700 --> 04:08:53,500 does need to go to on this really quickly and as we enter 8759 04:08:53,500 --> 04:08:55,167 really quickly and as we enter the third week of of locked 8760 04:08:55,167 --> 04:08:56,301 the third week of of locked down, I do you see it all 8761 04:08:56,301 --> 04:08:57,899 down, I do you see it all unfolding next week because 8762 04:08:57,899 --> 04:08:59,301 unfolding next week because clearly you know there is a 8763 04:08:59,301 --> 04:09:00,600 clearly you know there is a thirst uh among certain 8764 04:09:00,600 --> 04:09:01,867 thirst uh among certain sections of the community and 8765 04:09:01,867 --> 04:09:03,567 sections of the community and for the lockdown to be given um 8766 04:09:03,567 --> 04:09:05,234 for the lockdown to be given um some definitive end right 8767 04:09:05,234 --> 04:09:05,967 some definitive end right because at the moment we’re 8768 04:09:05,967 --> 04:09:07,434 because at the moment we’re still being given sort of. 8769 04:09:07,434 --> 04:09:08,500 still being given sort of. Conflicting reports from 8770 04:09:08,500 --> 04:09:09,766 Conflicting reports from various different ministers you 8771 04:09:09,766 --> 04:09:10,966 various different ministers you know, saying, we hope that 8772 04:09:10,966 --> 04:09:11,734 know, saying, we hope that you’ll be able to have 8773 04:09:11,734 --> 04:09:12,300 you’ll be able to have Christmas. We’re not really 8774 04:09:12,300 --> 04:09:13,399 Christmas. We’re not really sure we hope to be able to lift 8775 04:09:13,399 --> 04:09:14,767 sure we hope to be able to lift the lockdown on December the 8776 04:09:14,767 --> 04:09:15,567 the lockdown on December the second, but we’re not really 8777 04:09:15,567 --> 04:09:16,900 second, but we’re not really sure I mean they’re gonna have 8778 04:09:16,900 --> 04:09:17,967 sure I mean they’re gonna have to give at least the retail 8779 04:09:17,967 --> 04:09:19,333 to give at least the retail businesses in this country if 8780 04:09:19,333 --> 04:09:20,767 businesses in this country if not the hospitality businesses, 8781 04:09:20,767 --> 04:09:22,867 not the hospitality businesses, some kind of signal that they 8782 04:09:22,867 --> 04:09:25,267 some kind of signal that they can reopen because they need to 8783 04:09:25,267 --> 04:09:26,767 can reopen because they need to stock up. They are and the 8784 04:09:26,767 --> 04:09:28,301 stock up. They are and the problem is that the government 8785 04:09:28,301 --> 04:09:29,100 problem is that the government can’t tell people what is going 8786 04:09:29,100 --> 04:09:29,966 can’t tell people what is going to do until it knows what it’s 8787 04:09:29,966 --> 04:09:31,533 to do until it knows what it’s going to do and all all the 8788 04:09:31,533 --> 04:09:33,766 going to do and all all the signs are it still doesn’t know 8789 04:09:33,766 --> 04:09:35,267 signs are it still doesn’t know the prime minister’s top 8790 04:09:35,267 --> 04:09:36,933 the prime minister’s top priority by all indication is 8791 04:09:36,933 --> 04:09:38,799 priority by all indication is making sure that people can see 8792 04:09:38,799 --> 04:09:39,900 making sure that people can see their families at Christmas if 8793 04:09:39,900 --> 04:09:41,267 their families at Christmas if necessary, carving out. An 8794 04:09:41,267 --> 04:09:43,166 necessary, carving out. An exemption to the lockdown rules 8795 04:09:43,166 --> 04:09:45,400 exemption to the lockdown rules for Christmas, but because of 8796 04:09:45,400 --> 04:09:47,100 for Christmas, but because of the risk that’s a risk almost 8797 04:09:47,100 --> 04:09:47,966 the risk that’s a risk almost certainty that will increase 8798 04:09:47,966 --> 04:09:49,500 certainty that will increase the rate and slow down the you 8799 04:09:49,500 --> 04:09:52,734 the rate and slow down the you know the control over covet 8800 04:09:52,734 --> 04:09:53,467 know the control over covet nineteen. that means that if 8801 04:09:53,467 --> 04:09:54,834 nineteen. that means that if you’re planning on releasing 8802 04:09:54,834 --> 04:09:55,634 you’re planning on releasing people over Christmas, you have 8803 04:09:55,634 --> 04:09:57,067 people over Christmas, you have to be stricter of other times 8804 04:09:57,067 --> 04:09:58,867 to be stricter of other times and that does suggest 8805 04:09:58,867 --> 04:10:00,066 and that does suggest unfortunately that they’re 8806 04:10:00,066 --> 04:10:01,533 unfortunately that they’re going to extend control into 8807 04:10:01,533 --> 04:10:02,833 going to extend control into December and then probably 8808 04:10:02,833 --> 04:10:04,900 December and then probably reintroduce them before the new 8809 04:10:04,900 --> 04:10:06,567 reintroduce them before the new year. So we only really get a 8810 04:10:06,567 --> 04:10:07,134 year. So we only really get a few days around Christmas now, 8811 04:10:07,134 --> 04:10:07,967 few days around Christmas now, obviously, that’s not what 8812 04:10:07,967 --> 04:10:08,967 obviously, that’s not what people want. It’s certainly 8813 04:10:08,967 --> 04:10:10,267 people want. It’s certainly going to be extremely 8814 04:10:10,267 --> 04:10:11,133 going to be extremely challenging for the retail 8815 04:10:11,133 --> 04:10:12,667 challenging for the retail sector and it will be very 8816 04:10:12,667 --> 04:10:13,466 sector and it will be very difficult. you’ll be 8817 04:10:13,466 --> 04:10:15,233 difficult. you’ll be increasing. Difficult for the 8818 04:10:15,233 --> 04:10:16,900 increasing. Difficult for the government to refuse for 8819 04:10:16,900 --> 04:10:18,300 government to refuse for economic support for businesses 8820 04:10:18,300 --> 04:10:19,734 economic support for businesses given that it’s just unveiled 8821 04:10:19,734 --> 04:10:21,933 given that it’s just unveiled all this money for defense um 8822 04:10:21,933 --> 04:10:23,267 all this money for defense um but I suspect unfortunately 8823 04:10:23,267 --> 04:10:24,000 but I suspect unfortunately that what’s gonna happen is the 8824 04:10:24,000 --> 04:10:25,167 that what’s gonna happen is the government is going to end up 8825 04:10:25,167 --> 04:10:26,267 government is going to end up extending locked down. Yeah. 8826 04:10:26,267 --> 04:10:27,567 extending locked down. Yeah. What is it justify giving us 8827 04:10:27,567 --> 04:10:28,834 What is it justify giving us Christmas off except that they 8828 04:10:28,834 --> 04:10:30,466 Christmas off except that they still can’t really show why 8829 04:10:30,466 --> 04:10:31,300 still can’t really show why they have to do that. I mean 8830 04:10:31,300 --> 04:10:31,900 they have to do that. I mean we’re hearing in Northern 8831 04:10:31,900 --> 04:10:32,767 we’re hearing in Northern Ireland. They’re extending the 8832 04:10:32,767 --> 04:10:33,967 Ireland. They’re extending the lock down for two more weeks 8833 04:10:33,967 --> 04:10:35,200 lock down for two more weeks because it doesn’t work, which 8834 04:10:35,200 --> 04:10:37,167 because it doesn’t work, which is kind of counter intuitive. 8835 04:10:37,167 --> 04:10:38,467 is kind of counter intuitive. isn’t it? Yeah, I mean at the 8836 04:10:38,467 --> 04:10:39,933 isn’t it? Yeah, I mean at the end of the government long ago, 8837 04:10:39,933 --> 04:10:42,933 end of the government long ago, lost the public on the on the 8838 04:10:42,933 --> 04:10:44,800 lost the public on the on the justification. It’s not 8839 04:10:44,800 --> 04:10:45,567 justification. It’s not necessarily because it’s wrong, 8840 04:10:45,567 --> 04:10:47,267 necessarily because it’s wrong, but just because it has so 8841 04:10:47,267 --> 04:10:47,833 but just because it has so comprehensively failed to 8842 04:10:47,833 --> 04:10:49,500 comprehensively failed to communicate the rational you 8843 04:10:49,500 --> 04:10:50,467 communicate the rational you know other countries and and 8844 04:10:50,467 --> 04:10:51,933 know other countries and and that is a serious problem 8845 04:10:51,933 --> 04:10:52,834 that is a serious problem because what we’re seeing is 8846 04:10:52,834 --> 04:10:53,700 because what we’re seeing is one of the reasons actually the 8847 04:10:53,700 --> 04:10:54,200 one of the reasons actually the government needs to be as 8848 04:10:54,200 --> 04:10:55,900 government needs to be as strict as it is because 8849 04:10:55,900 --> 04:10:57,434 strict as it is because obedience is dropping right. I 8850 04:10:57,434 --> 04:10:58,634 obedience is dropping right. I mean you’ve you you know this. 8851 04:10:58,634 --> 04:10:59,966 mean you’ve you you know this. I know this if you look out 8852 04:10:59,966 --> 04:11:00,766 I know this if you look out when we went to the second 8853 04:11:00,766 --> 04:11:01,634 when we went to the second lockdown if you compare it to 8854 04:11:01,634 --> 04:11:02,467 lockdown if you compare it to the first locked down, you look 8855 04:11:02,467 --> 04:11:03,567 the first locked down, you look at the number of cars on the 8856 04:11:03,567 --> 04:11:04,834 at the number of cars on the road and everything else it’s 8857 04:11:04,834 --> 04:11:06,434 road and everything else it’s night and day. Yeah, so people 8858 04:11:06,434 --> 04:11:07,900 night and day. Yeah, so people are already starting to take 8859 04:11:07,900 --> 04:11:09,233 are already starting to take this seriously and if the 8860 04:11:09,233 --> 04:11:10,533 this seriously and if the government sent up a green 8861 04:11:10,533 --> 04:11:11,500 government sent up a green light by saying, actually, 8862 04:11:11,500 --> 04:11:12,300 light by saying, actually, we’re gonna ease back on locked 8863 04:11:12,300 --> 04:11:14,634 we’re gonna ease back on locked down, I think. Worry that it 8864 04:11:14,634 --> 04:11:15,766 down, I think. Worry that it would just collapse altogether, 8865 04:11:15,766 --> 04:11:17,367 would just collapse altogether, so they need to keep amping up 8866 04:11:17,367 --> 04:11:20,767 so they need to keep amping up the controls just to offset 8867 04:11:20,767 --> 04:11:21,567 the controls just to offset diminishing public obedience, 8868 04:11:21,567 --> 04:11:22,733 diminishing public obedience, which is a hell of a price to 8869 04:11:22,733 --> 04:11:23,967 which is a hell of a price to pay for those people whose 8870 04:11:23,967 --> 04:11:25,300 pay for those people whose businesses are getting 8871 04:11:25,300 --> 04:11:26,733 businesses are getting completely ripped apart. isn’t 8872 04:11:26,733 --> 04:11:28,867 completely ripped apart. isn’t it I mean, yes, it is I mean 8873 04:11:28,867 --> 04:11:30,233 it I mean, yes, it is I mean this and that’s why I think the 8874 04:11:30,233 --> 04:11:31,900 this and that’s why I think the government is is is is applies 8875 04:11:31,900 --> 04:11:33,233 government is is is is applies to continue to offer full 8876 04:11:33,233 --> 04:11:34,767 to continue to offer full support, especially if there’s 8877 04:11:34,767 --> 04:11:35,800 support, especially if there’s a vaccine. I think the one the 8878 04:11:35,800 --> 04:11:37,500 a vaccine. I think the one the one upside is that now that 8879 04:11:37,500 --> 04:11:39,067 one upside is that now that there is clearly a vaccine on 8880 04:11:39,067 --> 04:11:41,133 there is clearly a vaccine on the horizon. hopefully by next 8881 04:11:41,133 --> 04:11:43,233 the horizon. hopefully by next spring, the government really. 8882 04:11:43,233 --> 04:11:44,634 spring, the government really. No excuse not to continue to 8883 04:11:44,634 --> 04:11:45,967 No excuse not to continue to offer business owners and the 8884 04:11:45,967 --> 04:11:47,566 offer business owners and the self employed full economic 8885 04:11:47,566 --> 04:11:49,167 self employed full economic support they read the rational 8886 04:11:49,167 --> 04:11:51,199 support they read the rational for cutting Flo and all the 8887 04:11:51,199 --> 04:11:52,301 for cutting Flo and all the rest of it was that we couldn’t 8888 04:11:52,301 --> 04:11:53,066 rest of it was that we couldn’t afford it because we didn’t 8889 04:11:53,066 --> 04:11:53,867 afford it because we didn’t know how long it would have to 8890 04:11:53,867 --> 04:11:55,533 know how long it would have to last now that we can see the 8891 04:11:55,533 --> 04:11:58,834 last now that we can see the end goal ideally, then the 8892 04:11:58,834 --> 04:12:00,667 end goal ideally, then the rational has to be let’s stick 8893 04:12:00,667 --> 04:12:01,966 rational has to be let’s stick with the original logic and 8894 04:12:01,966 --> 04:12:04,634 with the original logic and keep the in suspension and so 8895 04:12:04,634 --> 04:12:05,800 keep the in suspension and so we can let it go full steam in 8896 04:12:05,800 --> 04:12:07,399 we can let it go full steam in the spring. Okay. Henry Hill 8897 04:12:07,399 --> 04:12:08,467 the spring. Okay. Henry Hill Conservative Home assistant 8898 04:12:08,467 --> 04:12:09,933 Conservative Home assistant Editor. Thank you very much 8899 04:12:09,933 --> 04:12:11,234 Editor. Thank you very much Indeed Patel uh apparently is 8900 04:12:11,234 --> 04:12:13,500 Indeed Patel uh apparently is in breach of minister. Code Now 8901 04:12:13,500 --> 04:12:14,834 in breach of minister. Code Now you may not know what that 8902 04:12:14,834 --> 04:12:16,000 you may not know what that means I may not know what that 8903 04:12:16,000 --> 04:12:17,500 means I may not know what that means, but what would appear to 8904 04:12:17,500 --> 04:12:18,999 means, but what would appear to be the case is that there is a 8905 04:12:18,999 --> 04:12:20,800 be the case is that there is a report, which is not yet been 8906 04:12:20,800 --> 04:12:21,567 report, which is not yet been released, which says that 8907 04:12:21,567 --> 04:12:23,234 released, which says that pretty Patel is a bit of a 8908 04:12:23,234 --> 04:12:25,267 pretty Patel is a bit of a bully. Well, you know in order 8909 04:12:25,267 --> 04:12:26,334 bully. Well, you know in order to find out whether you can 8910 04:12:26,334 --> 04:12:27,167 to find out whether you can make a judgement on that. 8911 04:12:27,167 --> 04:12:28,900 make a judgement on that. surely we need to see the 8912 04:12:28,900 --> 04:12:30,299 surely we need to see the report. Don’t we and we need to 8913 04:12:30,299 --> 04:12:31,400 report. Don’t we and we need to ask who put the report together 8914 04:12:31,400 --> 04:12:32,000 ask who put the report together and we have to look at who’s 8915 04:12:32,000 --> 04:12:33,399 and we have to look at who’s made the complaints. It’s as 8916 04:12:33,399 --> 04:12:34,634 made the complaints. It’s as simple as that and only then 8917 04:12:34,634 --> 04:12:36,567 simple as that and only then can we really judge what it is 8918 04:12:36,567 --> 04:12:37,333 can we really judge what it is that she did and whether what 8919 04:12:37,333 --> 04:12:39,167 that she did and whether what she did uh was in any way uh 8920 04:12:39,167 --> 04:12:40,600 she did uh was in any way uh beyond the pale, it’s almost 8921 04:12:40,600 --> 04:12:42,066 beyond the pale, it’s almost impossible to know this whole 8922 04:12:42,066 --> 04:12:44,000 impossible to know this whole story. From the beginning to 8923 04:12:44,000 --> 04:12:46,399 story. From the beginning to the end has always been a case 8924 04:12:46,399 --> 04:12:47,133 the end has always been a case of, he said, she said. It’s 8925 04:12:47,133 --> 04:12:48,667 of, he said, she said. It’s always been a very highly paid 8926 04:12:48,667 --> 04:12:50,834 always been a very highly paid civil servant leaking against 8927 04:12:50,834 --> 04:12:52,533 civil servant leaking against so technically the woman who 8928 04:12:52,533 --> 04:12:54,833 so technically the woman who was his boss Patel to say that 8929 04:12:54,833 --> 04:12:57,267 was his boss Patel to say that she treated him in a terribly 8930 04:12:57,267 --> 04:12:59,767 she treated him in a terribly awfully way. Sometimes that 8931 04:12:59,767 --> 04:13:01,399 awfully way. Sometimes that happens sometimes you could do 8932 04:13:01,399 --> 04:13:02,800 happens sometimes you could do it without bullying people. 8933 04:13:02,800 --> 04:13:04,634 it without bullying people. Sometimes you can just a little 8934 04:13:04,634 --> 04:13:05,467 Sometimes you can just a little bit unpleasant, but that 8935 04:13:05,467 --> 04:13:07,867 bit unpleasant, but that doesn’t mean that bullying is 8936 04:13:07,867 --> 04:13:08,467 doesn’t mean that bullying is acceptable, and it doesn’t mean 8937 04:13:08,467 --> 04:13:09,667 acceptable, and it doesn’t mean that every time you have a go 8938 04:13:09,667 --> 04:13:10,867 that every time you have a go at somebody. It’s bullying. 8939 04:13:10,867 --> 04:13:11,599 at somebody. It’s bullying. it’s as simple as that really 8940 04:13:11,599 --> 04:13:15,299 it’s as simple as that really isn’t it. 034491 thousand is 8941 04:13:15,299 --> 04:13:17,767 isn’t it. 034491 thousand is the number this is talk Radio 8942 04:13:17,767 --> 04:13:21,200 the number this is talk Radio online on D and on the talk 8943 04:13:21,200 --> 04:13:24,799 online on D and on the talk radio app Talk Radio The Julia 8944 04:13:24,799 --> 04:13:25,966 radio app Talk Radio The Julia Hartley Brewer Breakfast Show 8945 04:13:25,966 --> 04:13:28,434 Hartley Brewer Breakfast Show on Talk radio with the Sun 8946 04:13:28,434 --> 04:13:29,899 on Talk radio with the Sun Digital Edition app Join the 8947 04:13:29,899 --> 04:13:30,866 Digital Edition app Join the nation’s brightest conversation 8948 04:13:30,866 --> 04:13:32,699 nation’s brightest conversation and wake up to straight talking 8949 04:13:32,699 --> 04:13:34,434 and wake up to straight talking Current affairs debate analysis 8950 04:13:34,434 --> 04:13:36,699 Current affairs debate analysis at plus. 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It’s black Friday at talk Talk say 8973 04:14:24,733 --> 04:14:26,367 black Friday at talk Talk say goodbye to twenty and hello to 8974 04:14:26,367 --> 04:14:27,966 goodbye to twenty and hello to a huge deal with the first 3 8975 04:14:27,966 --> 04:14:29,399 a huge deal with the first 3 months free on our 24 month 8976 04:14:29,399 --> 04:14:31,767 months free on our 24 month fiber plans so say bye to 8977 04:14:31,767 --> 04:14:33,800 fiber plans so say bye to broadband bills until 2021 and 8978 04:14:33,800 --> 04:14:35,034 broadband bills until 2021 and high to average speeds of up to 8979 04:14:35,034 --> 04:14:37,466 high to average speeds of up to 100. 45 megabits per second, a 8980 04:14:37,466 --> 04:14:39,466 100. 45 megabits per second, a powerful WiFi hub and no 8981 04:14:39,466 --> 04:14:40,799 powerful WiFi hub and no contract price rises take a 8982 04:14:40,799 --> 04:14:41,800 contract price rises take a broadband bill break with 3 8983 04:14:41,800 --> 04:14:43,899 broadband bill break with 3 months free fiber such total 8984 04:14:43,899 --> 04:14:45,634 months free fiber such total black Friday talk talk for 8985 04:14:45,634 --> 04:14:47,366 black Friday talk talk for everyone offering second of 8986 04:14:47,366 --> 04:14:49,034 everyone offering second of December supply subject to 8987 04:14:49,034 --> 04:14:50,600 December supply subject to local availability 495 post and 8988 04:14:50,600 --> 04:14:51,899 local availability 495 post and packing where is required 8989 04:14:51,899 --> 04:14:53,200 packing where is required whether you’re decking the 8990 04:14:53,200 --> 04:14:55,266 whether you’re decking the halls with bows of Holly 8991 04:14:55,266 --> 04:14:56,733 halls with bows of Holly driving home for Christmas or 8992 04:14:56,733 --> 04:14:58,000 driving home for Christmas or rocking around the Christmas 8993 04:14:58,000 --> 04:14:59,767 rocking around the Christmas Tree. 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Hello boys and girls 9002 04:15:45,767 --> 04:15:45,800 girls this 9003 04:15:45,800 --> 04:15:49,034 this Christmas. 9004 04:15:50,333 --> 04:15:51,767 Oh, no. they’re not the 9005 04:15:51,767 --> 04:15:52,799 Oh, no. they’re not the national Lottery of say today 9006 04:15:52,799 --> 04:15:54,233 national Lottery of say today and teamed up with the sun, 9007 04:15:54,233 --> 04:15:55,966 and teamed up with the sun, putting free tickets up for 9008 04:15:55,966 --> 04:15:57,266 putting free tickets up for grabs at theaters across the 9009 04:15:57,266 --> 04:15:59,466 grabs at theaters across the land starting in the Sun 9010 04:15:59,466 --> 04:16:00,733 land starting in the Sun Saturday, just collect four sun 9011 04:16:00,733 --> 04:16:01,634 Saturday, just collect four sun savers codes for your chance to 9012 04:16:01,634 --> 04:16:03,634 savers codes for your chance to get some now where are those 9013 04:16:03,634 --> 04:16:04,266 get some now where are those terms and conditions they’re 9014 04:16:04,266 --> 04:16:05,800 terms and conditions they’re behind you open to national 9015 04:16:05,800 --> 04:16:07,800 behind you open to national lottery players plus only with 9016 04:16:07,800 --> 04:16:08,766 lottery players plus only with a valid national lottery 9017 04:16:08,766 --> 04:16:09,966 a valid national lottery product 12000 tickets available 9018 04:16:09,966 --> 04:16:12,934 product 12000 tickets available to residents of England only 9019 04:16:12,934 --> 04:16:14,367 to residents of England only apply to radio traffic and 9020 04:16:14,367 --> 04:16:15,966 apply to radio traffic and travel in West Midlands. The 9021 04:16:15,966 --> 04:16:17,466 travel in West Midlands. The northbound side of the m five 9022 04:16:17,466 --> 04:16:19,466 northbound side of the m five is still closed from junction 9023 04:16:19,466 --> 04:16:21,299 is still closed from junction one to the msix so from west 9024 04:16:21,299 --> 04:16:23,299 one to the msix so from west through to the msix inch chain. 9025 04:16:23,299 --> 04:16:24,699 through to the msix inch chain. It’s causing cues through the 9026 04:16:24,699 --> 04:16:26,799 It’s causing cues through the area. diversion roots are 9027 04:16:26,799 --> 04:16:28,766 area. diversion roots are looking very busy 6812 will be 9028 04:16:28,766 --> 04:16:29,899 looking very busy 6812 will be closed across the weekend The 9029 04:16:29,899 --> 04:16:31,634 closed across the weekend The southbound side that’s closed 9030 04:16:31,634 --> 04:16:33,899 southbound side that’s closed from Junction 25 is closed now 9031 04:16:33,899 --> 04:16:36,434 from Junction 25 is closed now from marks to north because of 9032 04:16:36,434 --> 04:16:38,099 from marks to north because of that closure. It’s queuing from 9033 04:16:38,099 --> 04:16:39,433 that closure. It’s queuing from around the Colchester United 9034 04:16:39,433 --> 04:16:41,767 around the Colchester United Football ground roots through 9035 04:16:41,767 --> 04:16:43,466 Football ground roots through looking very slow at the moment 9036 04:16:43,466 --> 04:16:44,799 looking very slow at the moment as well. I’m Gary Scott at 9037 04:16:44,799 --> 04:16:46,733 as well. I’m Gary Scott at Lloyd’s Bank. We know the 9038 04:16:46,733 --> 04:16:48,600 Lloyd’s Bank. We know the little things can make all the 9039 04:16:48,600 --> 04:16:49,767 little things can make all the difference. That’s why our 9040 04:16:49,767 --> 04:16:51,034 difference. That’s why our branch colleagues are making 9041 04:16:51,034 --> 04:16:55,034 branch colleagues are making calls to our older customers. 9042 04:17:31,266 --> 04:17:34,733 And Sunday mornings from seven 9043 04:17:34,733 --> 04:17:36,833 And Sunday mornings from seven on talk radio mid morning with 9044 04:17:36,833 --> 04:17:40,333 on talk radio mid morning with Mike Graham Talk Radio The 9045 04:17:40,333 --> 04:17:42,000 Mike Graham Talk Radio The Independent Republic of Mike 9046 04:17:42,000 --> 04:17:44,600 Independent Republic of Mike Graham on Talk Radio. We were 9047 04:17:44,600 --> 04:17:45,634 Graham on Talk Radio. We were talking earlier to doctor 9048 04:17:45,634 --> 04:17:46,166 talking earlier to doctor Claire Craig consultant 9049 04:17:46,166 --> 04:17:47,533 Claire Craig consultant Pathologist about some of the 9050 04:17:47,533 --> 04:17:48,767 Pathologist about some of the problems that are going on uh 9051 04:17:48,767 --> 04:17:50,867 problems that are going on uh with the fatality rates over 9052 04:17:50,867 --> 04:17:52,334 with the fatality rates over coveted and with also uh some 9053 04:17:52,334 --> 04:17:53,967 coveted and with also uh some of the uh immunity 9054 04:17:53,967 --> 04:17:55,267 of the uh immunity conversations that are going on 9055 04:17:55,267 --> 04:17:56,267 conversations that are going on within the government uh and 9056 04:17:56,267 --> 04:17:57,067 within the government uh and various state scientists. lots 9057 04:17:57,067 --> 04:17:58,367 various state scientists. lots of you getting in touch on 9058 04:17:58,367 --> 04:17:59,599 of you getting in touch on Twitter to tell us about 9059 04:17:59,599 --> 04:18:01,734 Twitter to tell us about situations regarding and the 9060 04:18:01,734 --> 04:18:03,299 situations regarding and the NHS in general, Phil says. My 9061 04:18:03,299 --> 04:18:04,367 NHS in general, Phil says. My friend’s wife died last month 9062 04:18:04,367 --> 04:18:06,333 friend’s wife died last month after two hot topics were. 9063 04:18:06,333 --> 04:18:07,834 after two hot topics were. Cancelled and I think that’s a 9064 04:18:07,834 --> 04:18:08,967 Cancelled and I think that’s a really big problem. We’re 9065 04:18:08,967 --> 04:18:10,634 really big problem. We’re getting a lot of tweets around 9066 04:18:10,634 --> 04:18:11,500 getting a lot of tweets around this kind of subject where 9067 04:18:11,500 --> 04:18:13,034 this kind of subject where people are basically uh telling 9068 04:18:13,034 --> 04:18:14,467 people are basically uh telling me that they weren’t able to 9069 04:18:14,467 --> 04:18:16,800 me that they weren’t able to get access to a hospital. Uh 9070 04:18:16,800 --> 04:18:18,167 get access to a hospital. Uh here’s one from Matthew Good 9071 04:18:18,167 --> 04:18:19,034 here’s one from Matthew Good morning. My dad turned up to 9072 04:18:19,034 --> 04:18:19,867 morning. My dad turned up to hospital for removal of 9073 04:18:19,867 --> 04:18:21,767 hospital for removal of cancerous moles and was 9074 04:18:21,767 --> 04:18:22,333 cancerous moles and was actually turned away from 9075 04:18:22,333 --> 04:18:23,767 actually turned away from hospital last week. A friend 9076 04:18:23,767 --> 04:18:24,833 hospital last week. A friend actually turned up for 9077 04:18:24,833 --> 04:18:26,334 actually turned up for hysterectomy this week and was 9078 04:18:26,334 --> 04:18:27,766 hysterectomy this week and was turned away as well. What on 9079 04:18:27,766 --> 04:18:29,800 turned away as well. What on Earth is going on well that I 9080 04:18:29,800 --> 04:18:30,567 Earth is going on well that I think is a very good question. 9081 04:18:30,567 --> 04:18:31,867 think is a very good question. and I think it’s a question 9082 04:18:31,867 --> 04:18:33,533 and I think it’s a question that we need to get answers for 9083 04:18:33,533 --> 04:18:35,467 that we need to get answers for and we will seek those answers. 9084 04:18:35,467 --> 04:18:36,933 and we will seek those answers. Cuz that’s what we do here at 9085 04:18:36,933 --> 04:18:38,334 Cuz that’s what we do here at the home Common Sense Talk 9086 04:18:38,334 --> 04:18:39,700 the home Common Sense Talk Radio of course, uh right here 9087 04:18:39,700 --> 04:18:42,299 Radio of course, uh right here you can call us at 103491 9088 04:18:42,299 --> 04:18:43,599 you can call us at 103491 thousand any information along 9089 04:18:43,599 --> 04:18:45,434 thousand any information along those lines if you’ve had 9090 04:18:45,434 --> 04:18:46,533 those lines if you’ve had problems accessing a doctor or 9091 04:18:46,533 --> 04:18:47,800 problems accessing a doctor or a doctor’s appointment or 9092 04:18:47,800 --> 04:18:49,167 a doctor’s appointment or hospital appointment, We’d like 9093 04:18:49,167 --> 04:18:50,500 hospital appointment, We’d like to know about that because we 9094 04:18:50,500 --> 04:18:51,933 to know about that because we can take it up uh with the 9095 04:18:51,933 --> 04:18:52,834 can take it up uh with the powers that be right now 9096 04:18:52,834 --> 04:18:53,500 powers that be right now though, uh we’re gonna talk 9097 04:18:53,500 --> 04:18:55,399 though, uh we’re gonna talk about pensions with Jasmine 9098 04:18:55,399 --> 04:18:56,767 about pensions with Jasmine Bert’s money expert founder of 9099 04:18:56,767 --> 04:18:58,533 Bert’s money expert founder of course money Magpie.com Jasmine 9100 04:18:58,533 --> 04:18:59,967 course money Magpie.com Jasmine a very good morning to you. Hi 9101 04:18:59,967 --> 04:19:01,466 a very good morning to you. Hi there. Mike Now this is a time 9102 04:19:01,466 --> 04:19:03,933 there. Mike Now this is a time of uh of sort of reflection. I 9103 04:19:03,933 --> 04:19:04,733 of uh of sort of reflection. I suppose as we come up to 9104 04:19:04,733 --> 04:19:05,567 suppose as we come up to Christmas whatever Christmas is 9105 04:19:05,567 --> 04:19:06,367 Christmas whatever Christmas is gonna end up looking like 9106 04:19:06,367 --> 04:19:08,301 gonna end up looking like people sometimes think about. 9107 04:19:08,301 --> 04:19:09,799 people sometimes think about. Futures they sometimes worry 9108 04:19:09,799 --> 04:19:11,800 Futures they sometimes worry about uh whether they’re gonna 9109 04:19:11,800 --> 04:19:13,500 about uh whether they’re gonna have enough money to look after 9110 04:19:13,500 --> 04:19:14,799 have enough money to look after themselves into their old age 9111 04:19:14,799 --> 04:19:15,966 themselves into their old age because of what’s going on now, 9112 04:19:15,966 --> 04:19:17,800 because of what’s going on now, I guess that must be even more 9113 04:19:17,800 --> 04:19:20,166 I guess that must be even more pre really, but um you’ve got 9114 04:19:20,166 --> 04:19:21,600 pre really, but um you’ve got some news for us about 9115 04:19:21,600 --> 04:19:23,900 some news for us about pensions. Yes um at magpie, you 9116 04:19:23,900 --> 04:19:25,767 pensions. Yes um at magpie, you know I run money magpie.com um 9117 04:19:25,767 --> 04:19:27,933 know I run money magpie.com um we have been doing some 9118 04:19:27,933 --> 04:19:29,567 we have been doing some research with pension B and we 9119 04:19:29,567 --> 04:19:32,333 research with pension B and we found that more than half of us 9120 04:19:32,333 --> 04:19:34,167 found that more than half of us have no idea. basically what 9121 04:19:34,167 --> 04:19:35,700 have no idea. basically what kind of money we’re gonna get 9122 04:19:35,700 --> 04:19:37,767 kind of money we’re gonna get in retirement and more than. 9123 04:19:37,767 --> 04:19:39,533 in retirement and more than. Three quarters of us don’t know 9124 04:19:39,533 --> 04:19:41,867 Three quarters of us don’t know exactly um what’s in their 9125 04:19:41,867 --> 04:19:44,233 exactly um what’s in their pension um and how many 9126 04:19:44,233 --> 04:19:45,867 pension um and how many pensions we’ve actually got so 9127 04:19:45,867 --> 04:19:47,567 pensions we’ve actually got so you know we’re going into the 9128 04:19:47,567 --> 04:19:51,399 you know we’re going into the retirement knowing nothing. 9129 04:19:51,399 --> 04:19:52,500 retirement knowing nothing. Yeah, I’m just hearing a little 9130 04:19:52,500 --> 04:19:53,100 Yeah, I’m just hearing a little bit of an echo in the 9131 04:19:53,100 --> 04:19:53,934 bit of an echo in the background there. I’m not quite 9132 04:19:53,934 --> 04:19:55,133 background there. I’m not quite sure how that’s happening, but 9133 04:19:55,133 --> 04:19:55,699 sure how that’s happening, but let’s try and figure that out 9134 04:19:55,699 --> 04:19:56,900 let’s try and figure that out and fix it. but how is it 9135 04:19:56,900 --> 04:19:57,966 and fix it. but how is it possible? Do you think that 9136 04:19:57,966 --> 04:19:59,233 possible? Do you think that people could have a pension 9137 04:19:59,233 --> 04:20:00,634 people could have a pension that they didn’t know about, 9138 04:20:00,634 --> 04:20:02,733 that they didn’t know about, for example, well exactly uh 9139 04:20:02,733 --> 04:20:04,334 for example, well exactly uh the thing is you know we’re all 9140 04:20:04,334 --> 04:20:05,834 the thing is you know we’re all moving around all the time 9141 04:20:05,834 --> 04:20:08,267 moving around all the time we’re we’re moving from job to 9142 04:20:08,267 --> 04:20:09,100 we’re we’re moving from job to job so there’ll be a little pot 9143 04:20:09,100 --> 04:20:11,333 job so there’ll be a little pot here a little pot there um some 9144 04:20:11,333 --> 04:20:13,867 here a little pot there um some people have um come out of 9145 04:20:13,867 --> 04:20:15,500 people have um come out of serves. that’s come sometime 9146 04:20:15,500 --> 04:20:16,999 serves. that’s come sometime ago and forgot all about that. 9147 04:20:16,999 --> 04:20:18,600 ago and forgot all about that. There’s a little bit of money 9148 04:20:18,600 --> 04:20:19,667 There’s a little bit of money there, you might have set up a 9149 04:20:19,667 --> 04:20:21,933 there, you might have set up a personal pen. And maybe your 9150 04:20:21,933 --> 04:20:23,600 personal pen. And maybe your parents did it for you or you 9151 04:20:23,600 --> 04:20:24,500 parents did it for you or you had an advise, you said. Oh, 9152 04:20:24,500 --> 04:20:25,333 had an advise, you said. Oh, and you should have this. There 9153 04:20:25,333 --> 04:20:26,634 and you should have this. There are all sorts of pensions 9154 04:20:26,634 --> 04:20:28,500 are all sorts of pensions around and the problem is that 9155 04:20:28,500 --> 04:20:31,434 around and the problem is that there isn’t a central place 9156 04:20:31,434 --> 04:20:33,933 there isn’t a central place where you can have all your 9157 04:20:33,933 --> 04:20:35,399 where you can have all your pensions. Um you know written 9158 04:20:35,399 --> 04:20:37,034 pensions. Um you know written down and I really do think that 9159 04:20:37,034 --> 04:20:39,334 down and I really do think that the government should have some 9160 04:20:39,334 --> 04:20:41,800 the government should have some sort of uh you know, maybe 9161 04:20:41,800 --> 04:20:43,399 sort of uh you know, maybe blockchain based I don’t know 9162 04:20:43,399 --> 04:20:44,567 blockchain based I don’t know just some sort of register 9163 04:20:44,567 --> 04:20:46,334 just some sort of register where all the pensions that 9164 04:20:46,334 --> 04:20:48,000 where all the pensions that everybody has are put on there 9165 04:20:48,000 --> 04:20:49,567 everybody has are put on there so that you know it’s easy for 9166 04:20:49,567 --> 04:20:51,267 so that you know it’s easy for anybody. To know what they’ve 9167 04:20:51,267 --> 04:20:53,167 anybody. To know what they’ve got yeah and are you talking 9168 04:20:53,167 --> 04:20:54,467 got yeah and are you talking about the public um the 9169 04:20:54,467 --> 04:20:55,767 about the public um the publicly available pensions as 9170 04:20:55,767 --> 04:20:56,834 publicly available pensions as it were or would you have 9171 04:20:56,834 --> 04:20:58,234 it were or would you have private pension on there as 9172 04:20:58,234 --> 04:20:59,800 private pension on there as well. Oh, I’d have private 9173 04:20:59,800 --> 04:21:01,200 well. Oh, I’d have private pensions and company pensions. 9174 04:21:01,200 --> 04:21:02,467 pensions and company pensions. You know the state pension. 9175 04:21:02,467 --> 04:21:03,733 You know the state pension. obviously that’s something 9176 04:21:03,733 --> 04:21:05,800 obviously that’s something that’s that’s already sorted 9177 04:21:05,800 --> 04:21:07,933 that’s that’s already sorted out by the state um although 9178 04:21:07,933 --> 04:21:09,267 out by the state um although having said that um one thing 9179 04:21:09,267 --> 04:21:10,433 having said that um one thing that a lot of people don’t know 9180 04:21:10,433 --> 04:21:11,867 that a lot of people don’t know is that you actually have to 9181 04:21:11,867 --> 04:21:13,067 is that you actually have to apply to get your state 9182 04:21:13,067 --> 04:21:14,267 apply to get your state pension, It doesn’t 9183 04:21:14,267 --> 04:21:15,599 pension, It doesn’t automatically happen when you 9184 04:21:15,599 --> 04:21:19,067 automatically happen when you come to him 6567 um but you 9185 04:21:19,067 --> 04:21:21,267 come to him 6567 um but you know. I think when it comes to 9186 04:21:21,267 --> 04:21:23,800 know. I think when it comes to um the company pensions, 9187 04:21:23,800 --> 04:21:24,800 um the company pensions, private pensions, whatever we 9188 04:21:24,800 --> 04:21:27,334 private pensions, whatever we need to know where they are um, 9189 04:21:27,334 --> 04:21:29,034 need to know where they are um, I mean right now you can go on 9190 04:21:29,034 --> 04:21:32,766 I mean right now you can go on to gov.uk and you can have your 9191 04:21:32,766 --> 04:21:33,334 to gov.uk and you can have your pensions trace and I do 9192 04:21:33,334 --> 04:21:35,300 pensions trace and I do recommend that people do that 9193 04:21:35,300 --> 04:21:36,733 recommend that people do that could be a few thousand sitting 9194 04:21:36,733 --> 04:21:38,300 could be a few thousand sitting in various parts. You know that 9195 04:21:38,300 --> 04:21:40,000 in various parts. You know that we don’t know about um but it 9196 04:21:40,000 --> 04:21:41,399 we don’t know about um but it would be better really if we 9197 04:21:41,399 --> 04:21:43,967 would be better really if we had a central register and 9198 04:21:43,967 --> 04:21:44,967 had a central register and maybe you just put your 9199 04:21:44,967 --> 04:21:46,667 maybe you just put your national insurance number in 9200 04:21:46,667 --> 04:21:49,233 national insurance number in and it gives you a list of the 9201 04:21:49,233 --> 04:21:50,300 and it gives you a list of the pensions that you’ve got and 9202 04:21:50,300 --> 04:21:52,133 pensions that you’ve got and how to get help. Although I 9203 04:21:52,133 --> 04:21:53,300 how to get help. Although I suppose there might be people 9204 04:21:53,300 --> 04:21:54,467 suppose there might be people who might be a bit nervous 9205 04:21:54,467 --> 04:21:55,334 who might be a bit nervous about giving that kind of 9206 04:21:55,334 --> 04:21:56,933 about giving that kind of information to the government 9207 04:21:56,933 --> 04:21:57,533 information to the government uh it seem to get their 9208 04:21:57,533 --> 04:21:59,733 uh it seem to get their information wise cross more 9209 04:21:59,733 --> 04:22:00,900 information wise cross more often than not you know. yeah, 9210 04:22:00,900 --> 04:22:01,500 often than not you know. yeah, very good point and they 9211 04:22:01,500 --> 04:22:03,500 very good point and they probably want tax of you as 9212 04:22:03,500 --> 04:22:04,133 probably want tax of you as well. That’s the other thing. 9213 04:22:04,133 --> 04:22:05,199 well. That’s the other thing. Yeah. I mean, I’m not sure I 9214 04:22:05,199 --> 04:22:05,799 Yeah. I mean, I’m not sure I want the government to know 9215 04:22:05,799 --> 04:22:08,766 want the government to know what my private pension is 9216 04:22:08,766 --> 04:22:09,567 what my private pension is well. They gonna see. That’s 9217 04:22:09,567 --> 04:22:11,800 well. They gonna see. That’s why II think blockchain would 9218 04:22:11,800 --> 04:22:13,434 why II think blockchain would be uh a really good um platform 9219 04:22:13,434 --> 04:22:15,467 be uh a really good um platform to use cuz they’re blockchain 9220 04:22:15,467 --> 04:22:17,399 to use cuz they’re blockchain as you know it’s it’s it’s what 9221 04:22:17,399 --> 04:22:18,267 as you know it’s it’s it’s what cryptocurrency runs on, but 9222 04:22:18,267 --> 04:22:19,367 cryptocurrency runs on, but it’s what all sorts of other 9223 04:22:19,367 --> 04:22:20,467 it’s what all sorts of other things potentially could run 9224 04:22:20,467 --> 04:22:22,500 things potentially could run on. And with blockchain, 9225 04:22:22,500 --> 04:22:24,766 on. And with blockchain, there’s a potential for the 9226 04:22:24,766 --> 04:22:26,867 there’s a potential for the individual to control who sees 9227 04:22:26,867 --> 04:22:28,734 individual to control who sees what it’s it’s their own 9228 04:22:28,734 --> 04:22:30,267 what it’s it’s their own information. you know they keep 9229 04:22:30,267 --> 04:22:33,133 information. you know they keep it so um I would think you know 9230 04:22:33,133 --> 04:22:34,301 it so um I would think you know something like that. Actually, 9231 04:22:34,301 --> 04:22:35,000 something like that. Actually, I have that idea for wills as 9232 04:22:35,000 --> 04:22:37,299 I have that idea for wills as well. I’d like wills to be on 9233 04:22:37,299 --> 04:22:38,834 well. I’d like wills to be on some sort of blockchain cuz 9234 04:22:38,834 --> 04:22:41,167 some sort of blockchain cuz again loads of people Jamaican 9235 04:22:41,167 --> 04:22:41,967 again loads of people Jamaican but not nearly enough of us 9236 04:22:41,967 --> 04:22:43,767 but not nearly enough of us make a will, but loads of us do 9237 04:22:43,767 --> 04:22:46,833 make a will, but loads of us do and then when they pass on 9238 04:22:46,833 --> 04:22:47,799 and then when they pass on nobody knows where it is so 9239 04:22:47,799 --> 04:22:48,966 nobody knows where it is so there are quite a few of these 9240 04:22:48,966 --> 04:22:51,234 there are quite a few of these things that should. Think have 9241 04:22:51,234 --> 04:22:53,399 things that should. Think have a center so we know where, and 9242 04:22:53,399 --> 04:22:54,467 a center so we know where, and that’s the other thing that’s 9243 04:22:54,467 --> 04:22:55,734 that’s the other thing that’s interesting about pensions is 9244 04:22:55,734 --> 04:22:56,599 interesting about pensions is that not that many people know 9245 04:22:56,599 --> 04:22:58,800 that not that many people know you know what rights they have 9246 04:22:58,800 --> 04:23:00,133 you know what rights they have around pensions, for example, 9247 04:23:00,133 --> 04:23:02,867 around pensions, for example, if your spouse dies do all 9248 04:23:02,867 --> 04:23:04,301 if your spouse dies do all pensions automatically cross to 9249 04:23:04,301 --> 04:23:06,334 pensions automatically cross to the spouse or not no not 9250 04:23:06,334 --> 04:23:07,933 the spouse or not no not necessarily at all. No. um I 9251 04:23:07,933 --> 04:23:10,434 necessarily at all. No. um I mean it depends on the pension 9252 04:23:10,434 --> 04:23:11,800 mean it depends on the pension depends what which boxes you’ve 9253 04:23:11,800 --> 04:23:13,500 depends what which boxes you’ve take and there are certainly 9254 04:23:13,500 --> 04:23:14,833 take and there are certainly loads of stories that I’ve 9255 04:23:14,833 --> 04:23:17,367 loads of stories that I’ve heard of of widows who thought 9256 04:23:17,367 --> 04:23:18,800 heard of of widows who thought that they would get some money 9257 04:23:18,800 --> 04:23:20,399 that they would get some money when their their husband died 9258 04:23:20,399 --> 04:23:23,167 when their their husband died um and it ended up with nothing 9259 04:23:23,167 --> 04:23:25,100 um and it ended up with nothing other than the state pension so 9260 04:23:25,100 --> 04:23:27,767 other than the state pension so it has got better. Recently, I 9261 04:23:27,767 --> 04:23:29,399 it has got better. Recently, I mean, for example, if you get 9262 04:23:29,399 --> 04:23:31,967 mean, for example, if you get divorced um you do have access 9263 04:23:31,967 --> 04:23:33,467 divorced um you do have access to potential um can have some 9264 04:23:33,467 --> 04:23:35,833 to potential um can have some of your spouse’s pension um and 9265 04:23:35,833 --> 04:23:37,634 of your spouse’s pension um and that’s help again mostly women 9266 04:23:37,634 --> 04:23:38,900 that’s help again mostly women to be fair because it’s mostly 9267 04:23:38,900 --> 04:23:41,399 to be fair because it’s mostly women who have um had a problem 9268 04:23:41,399 --> 04:23:42,766 women who have um had a problem when it comes to pensions once 9269 04:23:42,766 --> 04:23:44,300 when it comes to pensions once they’ve been divorced, yes, of 9270 04:23:44,300 --> 04:23:45,467 they’ve been divorced, yes, of course, and as far as the 9271 04:23:45,467 --> 04:23:47,800 course, and as far as the pensions, which you can access 9272 04:23:47,800 --> 04:23:49,301 pensions, which you can access before your technical pension 9273 04:23:49,301 --> 04:23:51,267 before your technical pension age, I know that’s the the case 9274 04:23:51,267 --> 04:23:53,233 age, I know that’s the the case with some pensions, but I 9275 04:23:53,233 --> 04:23:54,000 with some pensions, but I presume that’s not the case for 9276 04:23:54,000 --> 04:23:56,334 presume that’s not the case for state pension. No. State pens 9277 04:23:56,334 --> 04:23:57,966 state pension. No. State pens and state pension age is going 9278 04:23:57,966 --> 04:24:00,634 and state pension age is going up rightly in my view because 9279 04:24:00,634 --> 04:24:02,933 up rightly in my view because we are living longer much 9280 04:24:02,933 --> 04:24:04,567 we are living longer much longer when the state pension 9281 04:24:04,567 --> 04:24:07,933 longer when the state pension first came in um on average, we 9282 04:24:07,933 --> 04:24:09,934 first came in um on average, we only lived about 3 years after 9283 04:24:09,934 --> 04:24:11,800 only lived about 3 years after retiring and now it’s more like 9284 04:24:11,800 --> 04:24:13,933 retiring and now it’s more like twenty or 30 years um so you 9285 04:24:13,933 --> 04:24:16,434 twenty or 30 years um so you know the age is going up but 9286 04:24:16,434 --> 04:24:17,800 know the age is going up but for private and company 9287 04:24:17,800 --> 04:24:19,067 for private and company pensions generally, you can 9288 04:24:19,067 --> 04:24:20,634 pensions generally, you can access it from the age of 9289 04:24:20,634 --> 04:24:22,933 access it from the age of fifty-five but I tend to say to 9290 04:24:22,933 --> 04:24:24,500 fifty-five but I tend to say to people don’t if you can afford 9291 04:24:24,500 --> 04:24:26,867 people don’t if you can afford it because really, you know as 9292 04:24:26,867 --> 04:24:28,367 it because really, you know as I say, most of us are living a 9293 04:24:28,367 --> 04:24:30,133 I say, most of us are living a long time and you know it. It’s 9294 04:24:30,133 --> 04:24:32,467 long time and you know it. It’s it. Costs to live Well, you 9295 04:24:32,467 --> 04:24:33,467 it. Costs to live Well, you know you’re not going down to 9296 04:24:33,467 --> 04:24:34,867 know you’re not going down to George Osborne. Why don’t you 9297 04:24:34,867 --> 04:24:38,267 George Osborne. Why don’t you go and buy a Lamborghini? Um no 9298 04:24:38,267 --> 04:24:40,667 go and buy a Lamborghini? Um no not quite and actually uh at 9299 04:24:40,667 --> 04:24:42,967 not quite and actually uh at the moment you know the FC, the 9300 04:24:42,967 --> 04:24:45,334 the moment you know the FC, the Financial Conduct Authority has 9301 04:24:45,334 --> 04:24:46,733 Financial Conduct Authority has put in really strict rules 9302 04:24:46,733 --> 04:24:48,600 put in really strict rules suddenly now to to stop people 9303 04:24:48,600 --> 04:24:50,367 suddenly now to to stop people moving their money out of what 9304 04:24:50,367 --> 04:24:51,967 moving their money out of what they call defined benefit 9305 04:24:51,967 --> 04:24:54,467 they call defined benefit pensions to the point where 9306 04:24:54,467 --> 04:24:55,733 pensions to the point where it’s pretty much impossible for 9307 04:24:55,733 --> 04:24:56,867 it’s pretty much impossible for people now to move them out 9308 04:24:56,867 --> 04:24:58,066 people now to move them out even if it’s a good idea 9309 04:24:58,066 --> 04:24:59,967 even if it’s a good idea because financial advisers. 9310 04:24:59,967 --> 04:25:01,534 because financial advisers. Like Whoa, No, I haven’t got 9311 04:25:01,534 --> 04:25:03,967 Like Whoa, No, I haven’t got got the insurance to do that 9312 04:25:03,967 --> 04:25:04,667 got the insurance to do that for you. I’m afraid. yeah, of 9313 04:25:04,667 --> 04:25:05,966 for you. I’m afraid. yeah, of course, uh yeah, there are a 9314 04:25:05,966 --> 04:25:08,267 course, uh yeah, there are a lot of issues around pensions 9315 04:25:08,267 --> 04:25:10,066 lot of issues around pensions at the moment there are and uh 9316 04:25:10,066 --> 04:25:11,867 at the moment there are and uh people wanna go to money.com. 9317 04:25:11,867 --> 04:25:12,334 people wanna go to money.com. They’ll be able to find some 9318 04:25:12,334 --> 04:25:13,967 They’ll be able to find some answers there. hopefully, Oh 9319 04:25:13,967 --> 04:25:15,199 answers there. hopefully, Oh absolutely. thank you very much 9320 04:25:15,199 --> 04:25:17,300 absolutely. thank you very much for that. 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Yes, exactly um yeah why you 9331 04:25:33,267 --> 04:25:34,000 Yes, exactly um yeah why you should get a pension How to run 9332 04:25:34,000 --> 04:25:35,267 should get a pension How to run it. You know what to do when 9333 04:25:35,267 --> 04:25:37,233 it. You know what to do when you come to pension age. 9334 04:25:37,233 --> 04:25:37,900 you come to pension age. etcetera. Okay. Brilliant 9335 04:25:37,900 --> 04:25:38,900 etcetera. Okay. Brilliant stuff. Jasmine. Thank you very 9336 04:25:38,900 --> 04:25:40,634 stuff. Jasmine. Thank you very much to Jasmine’s money expert 9337 04:25:40,634 --> 04:25:42,133 much to Jasmine’s money expert founder of Money magpie.com. If 9338 04:25:42,133 --> 04:25:43,300 founder of Money magpie.com. 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On and on the 9448 04:29:06,434 --> 04:29:10,300 restaurants only. On and on the talk radio app talk radio 9449 04:29:10,300 --> 04:29:11,966 talk radio app talk radio coming up in the next hour. 9450 04:29:11,966 --> 04:29:12,801 coming up in the next hour. Kevin O Sullivan is gonna join 9451 04:29:12,801 --> 04:29:13,533 Kevin O Sullivan is gonna join us. He’s got some big shows 9452 04:29:13,533 --> 04:29:15,467 us. He’s got some big shows coming up this evening from 7 9453 04:29:15,467 --> 04:29:16,767 coming up this evening from 7 o’clock and then Saturday and 9454 04:29:16,767 --> 04:29:18,399 o’clock and then Saturday and Sunday uh he’s on from ten 9455 04:29:18,399 --> 04:29:19,967 Sunday uh he’s on from ten until one three shows you won’t 9456 04:29:19,967 --> 04:29:21,300 until one three shows you won’t wanna miss right here on talk 9457 04:29:21,300 --> 04:29:22,334 wanna miss right here on talk Radio the home and common sense 9458 04:29:22,334 --> 04:29:23,800 Radio the home and common sense the one place where you hear 9459 04:29:23,800 --> 04:29:24,999 the one place where you hear the truth, the whole truth and 9460 04:29:24,999 --> 04:29:27,300 the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. we’ll 9461 04:29:27,300 --> 04:29:28,766 nothing but the truth. we’ll also be talking uh to a man 9462 04:29:28,766 --> 04:29:29,700 also be talking uh to a man who’s doing some very good work 9463 04:29:29,700 --> 04:29:31,500 who’s doing some very good work for charity. Uh he’s gonna be 9464 04:29:31,500 --> 04:29:33,300 for charity. Uh he’s gonna be selling some Christmas jumpers 9465 04:29:33,300 --> 04:29:35,399 selling some Christmas jumpers uh that you can help donate to 9466 04:29:35,399 --> 04:29:36,734 uh that you can help donate to NS charities if you wish and 9467 04:29:36,734 --> 04:29:37,834 NS charities if you wish and Olivia will be joining us as 9468 04:29:37,834 --> 04:29:39,900 Olivia will be joining us as well. Uh she’s the Dep. Leader 9469 04:29:39,900 --> 04:29:41,434 well. Uh she’s the Dep. Leader writer of the Sun, She’s gonna 9470 04:29:41,434 --> 04:29:43,200 writer of the Sun, She’s gonna be bringing us her take of the 9471 04:29:43,200 --> 04:29:44,833 be bringing us her take of the week on all sorts of things, 9472 04:29:44,833 --> 04:29:46,367 week on all sorts of things, including Jeremy Corbin and of 9473 04:29:46,367 --> 04:29:48,867 including Jeremy Corbin and of course, the Green Industrial 9474 04:29:48,867 --> 04:29:49,467 course, the Green Industrial Revolution. If you got your 9475 04:29:49,467 --> 04:29:51,767 Revolution. If you got your electric car yet no me neither 9476 04:29:51,767 --> 04:29:53,600 electric car yet no me neither uh here’s the news headlines 9477 04:29:53,600 --> 04:29:55,633 uh here’s the news headlines for Charlotte Fisher across the 9478 04:29:55,633 --> 04:30:00,799 for Charlotte Fisher across the UK online and on talk radio on 9479 04:30:00,799 --> 04:30:03,899 UK online and on talk radio on the hour headlines on the way 9480 04:30:03,899 --> 04:30:05,466 the hour headlines on the way at eleven home secretary denies 9481 04:30:05,466 --> 04:30:07,634 at eleven home secretary denies bullying claims public sector 9482 04:30:07,634 --> 04:30:09,466 bullying claims public sector workers take a hit and inquest 9483 04:30:09,466 --> 04:30:11,466 workers take a hit and inquest into death of it. Guest Talk 9484 04:30:11,466 --> 04:30:15,299 into death of it. Guest Talk radio. The news the home 9485 04:30:15,299 --> 04:30:17,200 radio. The news the home secretary has denied claims of 9486 04:30:17,200 --> 04:30:18,434 secretary has denied claims of bullying after report has found 9487 04:30:18,434 --> 04:30:20,600 bullying after report has found pretty boat broke ministerial 9488 04:30:20,600 --> 04:30:22,600 pretty boat broke ministerial code in March. A cabinet office 9489 04:30:22,600 --> 04:30:24,300 code in March. A cabinet office investigation was launched over 9490 04:30:24,300 --> 04:30:25,966 investigation was launched over allegations that miss belittled 9491 04:30:25,966 --> 04:30:27,634 allegations that miss belittled colleagues and clashed with 9492 04:30:27,634 --> 04:30:29,034 colleagues and clashed with senior officials. Conservative 9493 04:30:29,034 --> 04:30:31,266 senior officials. Conservative MP Tom Total radio. It’s 9494 04:30:31,266 --> 04:30:32,367 MP Tom Total radio. It’s important that people take a 9495 04:30:32,367 --> 04:30:33,866 important that people take a balanced view on the reports 9496 04:30:33,866 --> 04:30:34,699 balanced view on the reports findings. I think it’s 9497 04:30:34,699 --> 04:30:36,400 findings. I think it’s important that we stand up to 9498 04:30:36,400 --> 04:30:37,899 important that we stand up to defend those who are bullied 9499 04:30:37,899 --> 04:30:39,634 defend those who are bullied and make sure that uh bullying 9500 04:30:39,634 --> 04:30:41,200 and make sure that uh bullying is stemmed out of our uh 9501 04:30:41,200 --> 04:30:42,434 is stemmed out of our uh institutions for our public 9502 04:30:42,434 --> 04:30:43,634 institutions for our public sector as much as possible. Uh 9503 04:30:43,634 --> 04:30:44,799 sector as much as possible. Uh but it’s also important that we 9504 04:30:44,799 --> 04:30:46,600 but it’s also important that we have robust politicians who are 9505 04:30:46,600 --> 04:30:47,899 have robust politicians who are able to uh deliver things that 9506 04:30:47,899 --> 04:30:50,199 able to uh deliver things that people vote. For talk Radio’s 9507 04:30:50,199 --> 04:30:52,333 people vote. For talk Radio’s political correspondent Sean I 9508 04:30:52,333 --> 04:30:53,034 political correspondent Sean I says the report also highlights 9509 04:30:53,034 --> 04:30:54,400 says the report also highlights the failure from the home 9510 04:30:54,400 --> 04:30:56,400 the failure from the home office to inform the secretary 9511 04:30:56,400 --> 04:30:57,767 office to inform the secretary that staff were made to feel 9512 04:30:57,767 --> 04:30:59,266 that staff were made to feel uncomfortable. essentially what 9513 04:30:59,266 --> 04:31:00,799 uncomfortable. essentially what seems to be the case is that 9514 04:31:00,799 --> 04:31:02,600 seems to be the case is that senior civil servants in the 9515 04:31:02,600 --> 04:31:04,400 senior civil servants in the home office failed to tell her 9516 04:31:04,400 --> 04:31:05,966 home office failed to tell her when complaints were being made 9517 04:31:05,966 --> 04:31:08,434 when complaints were being made when people found her behavior 9518 04:31:08,434 --> 04:31:09,466 when people found her behavior unacceptable, so she wasn’t 9519 04:31:09,466 --> 04:31:10,600 unacceptable, so she wasn’t given the opportunity to learn 9520 04:31:10,600 --> 04:31:13,266 given the opportunity to learn from it to realize realize that 9521 04:31:13,266 --> 04:31:14,434 from it to realize realize that what she had was incorrect and 9522 04:31:14,434 --> 04:31:16,099 what she had was incorrect and then change her behavior. So I 9523 04:31:16,099 --> 04:31:17,200 then change her behavior. So I understand the report has also 9524 04:31:17,200 --> 04:31:18,400 understand the report has also going to criticize. Senior 9525 04:31:18,400 --> 04:31:19,767 going to criticize. Senior civil servants in the home 9526 04:31:19,767 --> 04:31:21,034 civil servants in the home office for their lack of 9527 04:31:21,034 --> 04:31:22,866 office for their lack of leadership millions of public 9528 04:31:22,866 --> 04:31:24,266 leadership millions of public sex workers are facing a pay 9529 04:31:24,266 --> 04:31:25,966 sex workers are facing a pay freeze at next week’s spending 9530 04:31:25,966 --> 04:31:27,266 freeze at next week’s spending review is a chance to let 9531 04:31:27,266 --> 04:31:28,099 review is a chance to let attempts to tackle the huge 9532 04:31:28,099 --> 04:31:30,000 attempts to tackle the huge financial hits caused by the 9533 04:31:30,000 --> 04:31:31,399 financial hits caused by the Corona virus, teachers and 9534 04:31:31,399 --> 04:31:32,266 Corona virus, teachers and civil servants will be 9535 04:31:32,266 --> 04:31:33,767 civil servants will be affected, but it’s thought 9536 04:31:33,767 --> 04:31:35,899 affected, but it’s thought Front-line NS workers won’t be 9537 04:31:35,899 --> 04:31:38,199 Front-line NS workers won’t be affected Ben from the Institute 9538 04:31:38,199 --> 04:31:39,866 affected Ben from the Institute of Fiscal Studies, The radio 9539 04:31:39,866 --> 04:31:41,966 of Fiscal Studies, The radio that a pay freeze now would be 9540 04:31:41,966 --> 04:31:42,600 that a pay freeze now would be felt harder after previous 9541 04:31:42,600 --> 04:31:43,899 felt harder after previous government decisions on pay. 9542 04:31:43,899 --> 04:31:44,833 government decisions on pay. This isn’t the first time 9543 04:31:44,833 --> 04:31:46,000 This isn’t the first time government of trying to keep a 9544 04:31:46,000 --> 04:31:47,899 government of trying to keep a lid on public sector pay rises. 9545 04:31:47,899 --> 04:31:49,266 lid on public sector pay rises. Osborne, as he said it in 2010, 9546 04:31:49,266 --> 04:31:51,634 Osborne, as he said it in 2010, but importantly, judge is doing 9547 04:31:51,634 --> 04:31:52,833 but importantly, judge is doing it after a decade of recently 9548 04:31:52,833 --> 04:31:54,866 it after a decade of recently generous pay increases of 9549 04:31:54,866 --> 04:31:56,733 generous pay increases of public sector workers This time 9550 04:31:56,733 --> 04:31:58,300 public sector workers This time is gonna go after a decade of 9551 04:31:58,300 --> 04:31:59,767 is gonna go after a decade of numerous pay caps and pay 9552 04:31:59,767 --> 04:32:02,333 numerous pay caps and pay freezes a decade when people 9553 04:32:02,333 --> 04:32:03,466 freezes a decade when people accept to pay on average 9554 04:32:03,466 --> 04:32:05,634 accept to pay on average actually fell by 1.3% and a 9555 04:32:05,634 --> 04:32:07,966 actually fell by 1.3% and a full inquest begins today into 9556 04:32:07,966 --> 04:32:09,034 full inquest begins today into the death of a man who was 9557 04:32:09,034 --> 04:32:10,400 the death of a man who was suspected of taking his own 9558 04:32:10,400 --> 04:32:11,800 suspected of taking his own life after appearing on the 9559 04:32:11,800 --> 04:32:13,600 life after appearing on the Jeremy car show Steve Diamond, 9560 04:32:13,600 --> 04:32:15,134 Jeremy car show Steve Diamond, who was sixty-three, was found 9561 04:32:15,134 --> 04:32:15,966 who was sixty-three, was found dead at his home in Portsmouth 9562 04:32:15,966 --> 04:32:18,233 dead at his home in Portsmouth and May last. Show the IT show 9563 04:32:18,233 --> 04:32:21,466 and May last. Show the IT show was subsequently cancelled Talk 9564 04:32:21,466 --> 04:32:23,966 was subsequently cancelled Talk Radio National Weather Bright, 9565 04:32:23,966 --> 04:32:25,800 Radio National Weather Bright, but breezy for most of the UK 9566 04:32:25,800 --> 04:32:27,299 but breezy for most of the UK today outbreaks of rain in the 9567 04:32:27,299 --> 04:32:28,099 today outbreaks of rain in the west that will move gradually 9568 04:32:28,099 --> 04:32:31,933 west that will move gradually east but dry by this evening 9569 04:32:31,933 --> 04:32:34,600 east but dry by this evening Talk radio is on bedtime. Are 9570 04:32:34,600 --> 04:32:36,266 Talk radio is on bedtime. Are you doing have you seen his 9571 04:32:36,266 --> 04:32:38,367 you doing have you seen his sleepy toy anywhere? Uh no 9572 04:32:38,367 --> 04:32:40,799 sleepy toy anywhere? 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And then you’re so selfish time is running out to 9579 04:32:51,767 --> 04:32:52,699 selfish time is running out to get your limited edition sleepy 9580 04:32:52,699 --> 04:32:55,034 get your limited edition sleepy all like toy only with the 9581 04:32:55,034 --> 04:32:55,966 all like toy only with the qualifying purchase to compare 9582 04:32:55,966 --> 04:32:57,634 qualifying purchase to compare the market only available for 9583 04:32:57,634 --> 04:32:58,799 the market only available for the fourteenth of December 20. 9584 04:32:58,799 --> 04:33:00,400 the fourteenth of December 20. All claims must remain within 9585 04:33:00,400 --> 04:33:03,767 All claims must remain within 10 days of purchase apply 9586 04:33:03,767 --> 04:33:06,733 10 days of purchase apply across the UK online on D and 9587 04:33:06,733 --> 04:33:08,434 across the UK online on D and on your smart speaker, 9588 04:33:08,434 --> 04:33:10,799 on your smart speaker, Independent Republic of Mike 9589 04:33:10,799 --> 04:33:15,467 Independent Republic of Mike Graham on Talk Radio. Good 9590 04:33:15,467 --> 04:33:17,034 Graham on Talk Radio. Good morning and welcome back to the 9591 04:33:17,034 --> 04:33:17,834 morning and welcome back to the independent Republican right 9592 04:33:17,834 --> 04:33:19,567 independent Republican right here on radio. We have reached 9593 04:33:19,567 --> 04:33:21,767 here on radio. We have reached the end of yes another 9594 04:33:21,767 --> 04:33:22,933 the end of yes another cataclysmic extraordinary week 9595 04:33:22,933 --> 04:33:24,367 cataclysmic extraordinary week ladies and gentlemen, so let us 9596 04:33:24,367 --> 04:33:26,000 ladies and gentlemen, so let us pause and take stock of exactly 9597 04:33:26,000 --> 04:33:27,500 pause and take stock of exactly where we are in Scotland. Huge 9598 04:33:27,500 --> 04:33:28,900 where we are in Scotland. Huge sways of the most popular areas 9599 04:33:28,900 --> 04:33:30,800 sways of the most popular areas are going to try to lock down 9600 04:33:30,800 --> 04:33:32,333 are going to try to lock down restrictions as of today and if 9601 04:33:32,333 --> 04:33:33,133 restrictions as of today and if you’re in England and you wanna 9602 04:33:33,133 --> 04:33:35,267 you’re in England and you wanna go to Scotland. Apparently you 9603 04:33:35,267 --> 04:33:36,267 go to Scotland. Apparently you can’t do it. I don’t know how 9604 04:33:36,267 --> 04:33:37,100 can’t do it. I don’t know how that’s gonna work exactly, but 9605 04:33:37,100 --> 04:33:38,000 that’s gonna work exactly, but I’d love to hear from anybody 9606 04:33:38,000 --> 04:33:39,334 I’d love to hear from anybody who lives anywhere near 9607 04:33:39,334 --> 04:33:40,767 who lives anywhere near Adrian’s wall cuz I know a lot 9608 04:33:40,767 --> 04:33:41,800 Adrian’s wall cuz I know a lot of people go backwards and 9609 04:33:41,800 --> 04:33:43,100 of people go backwards and forwards across it in order to 9610 04:33:43,100 --> 04:33:44,000 forwards across it in order to go to work in order to 9611 04:33:44,000 --> 04:33:46,399 go to work in order to shopping. Friends, I know that 9612 04:33:46,399 --> 04:33:47,167 shopping. Friends, I know that we’re supposed to be locked 9613 04:33:47,167 --> 04:33:48,967 we’re supposed to be locked down in England. It’s Scotland 9614 04:33:48,967 --> 04:33:50,533 down in England. It’s Scotland not so much so a bit confusing 9615 04:33:50,533 --> 04:33:51,234 not so much so a bit confusing isn’t it. Meanwhile, Of course, 9616 04:33:51,234 --> 04:33:53,034 isn’t it. Meanwhile, Of course, we’ve had the Green Industrial 9617 04:33:53,034 --> 04:33:53,767 we’ve had the Green Industrial Revolution announcement from 9618 04:33:53,767 --> 04:33:54,800 Revolution announcement from Boris Johnson earlier in the 9619 04:33:54,800 --> 04:33:56,234 Boris Johnson earlier in the week, in which he revealed that 9620 04:33:56,234 --> 04:33:57,434 week, in which he revealed that we don’t be driving around in 9621 04:33:57,434 --> 04:33:58,933 we don’t be driving around in electric cars. We’d all be 9622 04:33:58,933 --> 04:33:59,900 electric cars. We’d all be sitting around uh in battery 9623 04:33:59,900 --> 04:34:02,300 sitting around uh in battery driven homes and we’d all be 9624 04:34:02,300 --> 04:34:02,999 driven homes and we’d all be looking at out the window to 9625 04:34:02,999 --> 04:34:05,467 looking at out the window to see your local friendly nuclear 9626 04:34:05,467 --> 04:34:06,834 see your local friendly nuclear reactor just down the end of 9627 04:34:06,834 --> 04:34:07,567 reactor just down the end of the street because we’re gonna 9628 04:34:07,567 --> 04:34:09,467 the street because we’re gonna have a lot of localized nuclear 9629 04:34:09,467 --> 04:34:10,899 have a lot of localized nuclear power stations. I’m not sure 9630 04:34:10,899 --> 04:34:12,933 power stations. I’m not sure I’d buy any of that either. 9631 04:34:12,933 --> 04:34:13,634 I’d buy any of that either. Olivia is coming up very 9632 04:34:13,634 --> 04:34:14,800 Olivia is coming up very shortly to tell us what her big 9633 04:34:14,800 --> 04:34:16,267 shortly to tell us what her big stories of the week, and I 9634 04:34:16,267 --> 04:34:17,500 stories of the week, and I think that may get a mentioned 9635 04:34:17,500 --> 04:34:19,267 think that may get a mentioned Jeremy Corbin, of course his 9636 04:34:19,267 --> 04:34:20,967 Jeremy Corbin, of course his advice to rejoin the labor. Uh 9637 04:34:20,967 --> 04:34:22,367 advice to rejoin the labor. Uh even though he doesn’t actually 9638 04:34:22,367 --> 04:34:24,533 even though he doesn’t actually have the whip uh he’s now back 9639 04:34:24,533 --> 04:34:26,467 have the whip uh he’s now back in favor uh with the lefties 9640 04:34:26,467 --> 04:34:29,901 in favor uh with the lefties insecure opposition, however, 9641 04:34:29,901 --> 04:34:30,667 insecure opposition, however, is not that happy about it uh 9642 04:34:30,667 --> 04:34:32,800 is not that happy about it uh and he won’t give him the whip 9643 04:34:32,800 --> 04:34:34,300 and he won’t give him the whip whatever that means, Meanwhile, 9644 04:34:34,300 --> 04:34:36,434 whatever that means, Meanwhile, a Northern island have extended 9645 04:34:36,434 --> 04:34:37,267 a Northern island have extended uh they locked down for another 9646 04:34:37,267 --> 04:34:38,334 uh they locked down for another 2 weeks because it’s not 9647 04:34:38,334 --> 04:34:40,867 2 weeks because it’s not working. Yeah. That’s exactly 9648 04:34:40,867 --> 04:34:41,767 working. Yeah. That’s exactly what they’re doing, uh and of 9649 04:34:41,767 --> 04:34:42,700 what they’re doing, uh and of course, all sorts of other 9650 04:34:42,700 --> 04:34:44,334 course, all sorts of other things have happened as well, 9651 04:34:44,334 --> 04:34:45,100 things have happened as well, which we’ll be talking about 9652 04:34:45,100 --> 04:34:46,267 which we’ll be talking about throughout the course of the 9653 04:34:46,267 --> 04:34:47,267 throughout the course of the day, including the fact that 9654 04:34:47,267 --> 04:34:48,867 day, including the fact that the Pos after I defended them 9655 04:34:48,867 --> 04:34:50,733 the Pos after I defended them against Radio one’s ridiculous 9656 04:34:50,733 --> 04:34:52,666 against Radio one’s ridiculous censorship have now blocked me 9657 04:34:52,666 --> 04:34:54,399 censorship have now blocked me because apparently, I’m not. 9658 04:34:54,399 --> 04:34:57,933 because apparently, I’m not. Woke up 034991 thousand and 9659 04:34:57,933 --> 04:34:59,567 Woke up 034991 thousand and because, of course it’s Friday 9660 04:34:59,567 --> 04:35:00,933 because, of course it’s Friday and we’ll have another sparkly 9661 04:35:00,933 --> 04:35:03,299 and we’ll have another sparkly edition of the awards the 9662 04:35:03,299 --> 04:35:05,800 edition of the awards the producer extraordinaire from 9663 04:35:05,800 --> 04:35:06,800 producer extraordinaire from Catalonia uh she’ll be here to 9664 04:35:06,800 --> 04:35:07,900 Catalonia uh she’ll be here to tell me how brilliant I’ve I’ve 9665 04:35:07,900 --> 04:35:10,000 tell me how brilliant I’ve I’ve been all week as if I didn’t 9666 04:35:10,000 --> 04:35:12,100 been all week as if I didn’t know 0344491 thousand, you’ll 9667 04:35:12,100 --> 04:35:13,900 know 0344491 thousand, you’ll listen to me on the fastest 9668 04:35:13,900 --> 04:35:15,434 listen to me on the fastest growing radio station uh in the 9669 04:35:15,434 --> 04:35:16,867 growing radio station uh in the land, it is of course, Radio 9670 04:35:16,867 --> 04:35:19,834 land, it is of course, Radio it’s mid morning with my talk 9671 04:35:19,834 --> 04:35:23,467 it’s mid morning with my talk radio now sometimes it’s quite 9672 04:35:23,467 --> 04:35:24,434 radio now sometimes it’s quite hard to believe reality when 9673 04:35:24,434 --> 04:35:26,467 hard to believe reality when you see it, you can’t. Quite 9674 04:35:26,467 --> 04:35:28,800 you see it, you can’t. Quite understand why it’s being 9675 04:35:28,800 --> 04:35:29,967 understand why it’s being rolled out to you and one of 9676 04:35:29,967 --> 04:35:31,334 rolled out to you and one of the things I think today uh 9677 04:35:31,334 --> 04:35:32,000 the things I think today uh that we can quite happily agree 9678 04:35:32,000 --> 04:35:34,000 that we can quite happily agree on is that the greed Industrial 9679 04:35:34,000 --> 04:35:35,500 on is that the greed Industrial Revolution has unveiled by 9680 04:35:35,500 --> 04:35:38,301 Revolution has unveiled by Boris Johnson about 3 days ago 9681 04:35:38,301 --> 04:35:39,567 Boris Johnson about 3 days ago um was quite ridiculous. It 9682 04:35:39,567 --> 04:35:40,166 um was quite ridiculous. It seems to be completely 9683 04:35:40,166 --> 04:35:41,901 seems to be completely forgotten by the way you know 9684 04:35:41,901 --> 04:35:42,667 forgotten by the way you know we’re gonna do away with all 9685 04:35:42,667 --> 04:35:44,133 we’re gonna do away with all petrol and diesel cars by 2030. 9686 04:35:44,133 --> 04:35:46,133 petrol and diesel cars by 2030. Uh we’re all gonna be driving 9687 04:35:46,133 --> 04:35:47,967 Uh we’re all gonna be driving around electric bikes electric 9688 04:35:47,967 --> 04:35:49,967 around electric bikes electric boats maybe electric planes, 9689 04:35:49,967 --> 04:35:50,599 boats maybe electric planes, possibly as well and I think 9690 04:35:50,599 --> 04:35:52,000 possibly as well and I think electric is fine. but where is 9691 04:35:52,000 --> 04:35:53,233 electric is fine. but where is it all gonna come from? Let’s 9692 04:35:53,233 --> 04:35:55,333 it all gonna come from? Let’s talk Olivia Olivia Utley, Who’s 9693 04:35:55,333 --> 04:35:56,367 talk Olivia Olivia Utley, Who’s deputy leader the son of course 9694 04:35:56,367 --> 04:35:58,267 deputy leader the son of course uh and uh this is her. On the 9695 04:35:58,267 --> 04:35:59,933 uh and uh this is her. On the week, Olivia a very good 9696 04:35:59,933 --> 04:36:02,000 week, Olivia a very good morning to you uh I it seems 9697 04:36:02,000 --> 04:36:03,334 morning to you uh I it seems amazing, doesn’t it that they 9698 04:36:03,334 --> 04:36:04,833 amazing, doesn’t it that they could have this incredible kind 9699 04:36:04,833 --> 04:36:06,567 could have this incredible kind of PR campaign just about 3 9700 04:36:06,567 --> 04:36:08,967 of PR campaign just about 3 days ago and now nobody’s 9701 04:36:08,967 --> 04:36:11,399 days ago and now nobody’s talking about it anymore I know 9702 04:36:11,399 --> 04:36:13,967 talking about it anymore I know um it made absolutely no sense 9703 04:36:13,967 --> 04:36:15,500 um it made absolutely no sense at all. Um we obviously just 9704 04:36:15,500 --> 04:36:17,034 at all. Um we obviously just don’t have the infrastructure 9705 04:36:17,034 --> 04:36:19,299 don’t have the infrastructure in place to have uh everyone 9706 04:36:19,299 --> 04:36:21,800 in place to have uh everyone driving electric cars by 2030. 9707 04:36:21,800 --> 04:36:23,767 driving electric cars by 2030. um it’s being brought forward 9708 04:36:23,767 --> 04:36:25,667 um it’s being brought forward by 10 years. Also what I can’t 9709 04:36:25,667 --> 04:36:26,400 by 10 years. Also what I can’t get my head around is it seems 9710 04:36:26,400 --> 04:36:28,000 get my head around is it seems to be worse. The environment 9711 04:36:28,000 --> 04:36:29,634 to be worse. The environment everyone driving electric cars 9712 04:36:29,634 --> 04:36:31,634 everyone driving electric cars because the stuff that you make 9713 04:36:31,634 --> 04:36:32,234 because the stuff that you make the battery now talking about 9714 04:36:32,234 --> 04:36:34,534 the battery now talking about electric cars is mine from um 9715 04:36:34,534 --> 04:36:38,267 electric cars is mine from um all the old and which will be 9716 04:36:38,267 --> 04:36:39,800 all the old and which will be decimated exactly. Also, 9717 04:36:39,800 --> 04:36:41,334 decimated exactly. Also, there’s been no kind of 9718 04:36:41,334 --> 04:36:43,267 there’s been no kind of explanation of where all this 9719 04:36:43,267 --> 04:36:43,967 explanation of where all this electricity is gonna be 9720 04:36:43,967 --> 04:36:45,333 electricity is gonna be generated from to power. all of 9721 04:36:45,333 --> 04:36:46,733 generated from to power. all of the things that we’re gonna be 9722 04:36:46,733 --> 04:36:49,034 the things that we’re gonna be made uh electric you know so so 9723 04:36:49,034 --> 04:36:50,467 made uh electric you know so so we’re gonna have like hydrogen 9724 04:36:50,467 --> 04:36:51,967 we’re gonna have like hydrogen powered buses. We’re gonna have 9725 04:36:51,967 --> 04:36:54,233 powered buses. We’re gonna have hydrogen powered uh boilers 9726 04:36:54,233 --> 04:36:55,634 hydrogen powered uh boilers apparently so you’re gonna rip 9727 04:36:55,634 --> 04:36:56,500 apparently so you’re gonna rip out the gas that you’ve got and 9728 04:36:56,500 --> 04:36:58,399 out the gas that you’ve got and rip out the gas infrastructure. 9729 04:36:58,399 --> 04:37:00,834 rip out the gas infrastructure. Lots of people use, which who’s 9730 04:37:00,834 --> 04:37:02,299 Lots of people use, which who’s gonna pay for real. yeah to use 9731 04:37:02,299 --> 04:37:03,966 gonna pay for real. yeah to use electricity, which is powered 9732 04:37:03,966 --> 04:37:08,933 electricity, which is powered by um gas so uh that’s not 9733 04:37:08,933 --> 04:37:09,900 by um gas so uh that’s not particularly helpful who’s 9734 04:37:09,900 --> 04:37:11,434 particularly helpful who’s gonna pay for is a huge 9735 04:37:11,434 --> 04:37:13,100 gonna pay for is a huge question because it just it’ll 9736 04:37:13,100 --> 04:37:14,267 question because it just it’ll like driving the sort of 9737 04:37:14,267 --> 04:37:15,766 like driving the sort of privilege of rich people. Yeah, 9738 04:37:15,766 --> 04:37:18,399 privilege of rich people. Yeah, no one can afford electric cars 9739 04:37:18,399 --> 04:37:19,800 no one can afford electric cars um or the government subsidize 9740 04:37:19,800 --> 04:37:22,000 um or the government subsidize electric cars people and I read 9741 04:37:22,000 --> 04:37:23,834 electric cars people and I read somewhere that an electric car 9742 04:37:23,834 --> 04:37:25,133 somewhere that an electric car of the course is electric car 9743 04:37:25,133 --> 04:37:27,766 of the course is electric car that cost 23000 um will cost 9744 04:37:27,766 --> 04:37:29,867 that cost 23000 um will cost twenty will cost the taxpayer 9745 04:37:29,867 --> 04:37:31,434 twenty will cost the taxpayer 20000 in subsidies over the 9746 04:37:31,434 --> 04:37:32,467 20000 in subsidies over the course of its lifetime. So it’s 9747 04:37:32,467 --> 04:37:34,734 course of its lifetime. So it’s incredibly expensive. And not 9748 04:37:34,734 --> 04:37:36,467 incredibly expensive. And not very much greener. uh no wonder 9749 04:37:36,467 --> 04:37:37,567 very much greener. uh no wonder I know I’m talking about so 9750 04:37:37,567 --> 04:37:38,867 I know I’m talking about so after a few days, well, exactly 9751 04:37:38,867 --> 04:37:40,434 after a few days, well, exactly right and also it’s a bit like 9752 04:37:40,434 --> 04:37:41,533 right and also it’s a bit like that kind of thing that they 9753 04:37:41,533 --> 04:37:42,133 that kind of thing that they ask you to do with nursery 9754 04:37:42,133 --> 04:37:43,434 ask you to do with nursery isn’t it. You know? why don’t 9755 04:37:43,434 --> 04:37:44,467 isn’t it. You know? why don’t you paint the picture of what 9756 04:37:44,467 --> 04:37:45,800 you paint the picture of what you’d like the world to look 9757 04:37:45,800 --> 04:37:47,200 you’d like the world to look like and that’s what Boris 9758 04:37:47,200 --> 04:37:48,733 like and that’s what Boris Johnson’s kind of green policy 9759 04:37:48,733 --> 04:37:49,867 Johnson’s kind of green policy is it’s like what we’d like 9760 04:37:49,867 --> 04:37:50,900 is it’s like what we’d like we’d like it to be is but 9761 04:37:50,900 --> 04:37:52,667 we’d like it to be is but actually that’s never gonna 9762 04:37:52,667 --> 04:37:55,034 actually that’s never gonna happen. No Anna. We know what 9763 04:37:55,034 --> 04:37:55,933 happen. No Anna. We know what will happen now and we’ll talk 9764 04:37:55,933 --> 04:37:57,267 will happen now and we’ll talk about it the next 8 years and 9765 04:37:57,267 --> 04:37:58,733 about it the next 8 years and then 2 years before the 23rd 9766 04:37:58,733 --> 04:37:59,634 then 2 years before the 23rd deadline, everyone will start 9767 04:37:59,634 --> 04:38:01,367 deadline, everyone will start panicking and government and 9768 04:38:01,367 --> 04:38:01,967 panicking and government and we’ll remember this 9769 04:38:01,967 --> 04:38:03,234 we’ll remember this embarrassing pledge that was 9770 04:38:03,234 --> 04:38:05,300 embarrassing pledge that was made back in twenty right. um 9771 04:38:05,300 --> 04:38:06,467 made back in twenty right. um it’s clearly not the moment you 9772 04:38:06,467 --> 04:38:07,799 it’s clearly not the moment you know. Trying to get back on 9773 04:38:07,799 --> 04:38:08,867 know. Trying to get back on their feet again, the last 9774 04:38:08,867 --> 04:38:10,000 their feet again, the last thing they need is a massive 9775 04:38:10,000 --> 04:38:11,399 thing they need is a massive tax cycle or just to make 9776 04:38:11,399 --> 04:38:12,600 tax cycle or just to make driving far more expensive. All 9777 04:38:12,600 --> 04:38:14,900 driving far more expensive. All of these policies are made made 9778 04:38:14,900 --> 04:38:16,533 of these policies are made made up in Yes, where people don’t 9779 04:38:16,533 --> 04:38:18,767 up in Yes, where people don’t really need to drive at all. Um 9780 04:38:18,767 --> 04:38:19,299 really need to drive at all. Um it’s I mean it’s what we’re 9781 04:38:19,299 --> 04:38:20,900 it’s I mean it’s what we’re saying cyclist last week as 9782 04:38:20,900 --> 04:38:22,000 saying cyclist last week as well. It’s the same thing. I 9783 04:38:22,000 --> 04:38:23,533 well. It’s the same thing. I mean it’s very easy to cycle 9784 04:38:23,533 --> 04:38:24,733 mean it’s very easy to cycle around and you don’t need to 9785 04:38:24,733 --> 04:38:26,967 around and you don’t need to drive um and you can probably 9786 04:38:26,967 --> 04:38:27,967 drive um and you can probably afford to pay a bit more for an 9787 04:38:27,967 --> 04:38:28,800 afford to pay a bit more for an electric car, but if you live 9788 04:38:28,800 --> 04:38:31,267 electric car, but if you live anywhere else, then that’s just 9789 04:38:31,267 --> 04:38:32,467 anywhere else, then that’s just completely impossible driving 9790 04:38:32,467 --> 04:38:32,967 completely impossible driving impossible. There’s the thing 9791 04:38:32,967 --> 04:38:34,667 impossible. There’s the thing that worries me. I came across 9792 04:38:34,667 --> 04:38:35,399 that worries me. I came across some character on social media 9793 04:38:35,399 --> 04:38:37,933 some character on social media the other week. The cycling 9794 04:38:37,933 --> 04:38:40,434 the other week. The cycling mayor uh of Coventry, now don’t 9795 04:38:40,434 --> 04:38:41,234 mayor uh of Coventry, now don’t make any mistake. This is not 9796 04:38:41,234 --> 04:38:42,467 make any mistake. This is not an elected job right. This is 9797 04:38:42,467 --> 04:38:44,634 an elected job right. This is something which is appointed by 9798 04:38:44,634 --> 04:38:46,500 something which is appointed by some operation over in Holland 9799 04:38:46,500 --> 04:38:48,467 some operation over in Holland and they appoint cycling mayors 9800 04:38:48,467 --> 04:38:49,800 and they appoint cycling mayors of various parts of the world, 9801 04:38:49,800 --> 04:38:51,267 of various parts of the world, including Coventry, for some 9802 04:38:51,267 --> 04:38:53,867 including Coventry, for some reason right um and this guy is 9803 04:38:53,867 --> 04:38:55,301 reason right um and this guy is actually not even pretending 9804 04:38:55,301 --> 04:38:56,767 actually not even pretending that they want to have electric 9805 04:38:56,767 --> 04:38:58,133 that they want to have electric cars. He’s actually saying we 9806 04:38:58,133 --> 04:38:59,334 cars. He’s actually saying we don’t want any cars in the 9807 04:38:59,334 --> 04:39:00,366 don’t want any cars in the city, but they actually they 9808 04:39:00,366 --> 04:39:01,834 city, but they actually they are there are people there are 9809 04:39:01,834 --> 04:39:03,299 are there are people there are the cats made an appearance um 9810 04:39:03,299 --> 04:39:04,033 the cats made an appearance um there are people there you’re 9811 04:39:04,033 --> 04:39:05,199 there are people there you’re looking like a bond villain 9812 04:39:05,199 --> 04:39:07,766 looking like a bond villain now. Striking out there the the 9813 04:39:07,766 --> 04:39:09,067 now. Striking out there the the The point about this whole 9814 04:39:09,067 --> 04:39:10,599 The point about this whole business is that they now want 9815 04:39:10,599 --> 04:39:11,967 business is that they now want to get rid of cars out of 9816 04:39:11,967 --> 04:39:13,967 to get rid of cars out of cities altogether. Carla cities 9817 04:39:13,967 --> 04:39:16,900 cities altogether. Carla cities is a thing. Yeah, which again 9818 04:39:16,900 --> 04:39:19,967 is a thing. Yeah, which again is all very well um if you can 9819 04:39:19,967 --> 04:39:22,267 is all very well um if you can if you if you can afford not to 9820 04:39:22,267 --> 04:39:23,800 if you if you can afford not to leave the city really um most 9821 04:39:23,800 --> 04:39:24,867 leave the city really um most people need to leave the city 9822 04:39:24,867 --> 04:39:26,333 people need to leave the city to see their parents to see 9823 04:39:26,333 --> 04:39:27,600 to see their parents to see their children to work outside 9824 04:39:27,600 --> 04:39:29,267 their children to work outside of the city um and the cheapest 9825 04:39:29,267 --> 04:39:30,334 of the city um and the cheapest and most accessible way is to 9826 04:39:30,334 --> 04:39:32,234 and most accessible way is to drive. Yeah. it’s just we get 9827 04:39:32,234 --> 04:39:33,167 drive. Yeah. it’s just we get really sick of it. The it just 9828 04:39:33,167 --> 04:39:35,266 really sick of it. The it just seems to be an eternal war of 9829 04:39:35,266 --> 04:39:36,933 seems to be an eternal war of motorist um just making life so 9830 04:39:36,933 --> 04:39:39,467 motorist um just making life so expensive and really difficult 9831 04:39:39,467 --> 04:39:40,133 expensive and really difficult for them for people who make 9832 04:39:40,133 --> 04:39:41,400 for them for people who make policies made up by people who 9833 04:39:41,400 --> 04:39:43,233 policies made up by people who really don’t need to drive. No 9834 04:39:43,233 --> 04:39:44,967 really don’t need to drive. No um yeah, it is it is a worrying 9835 04:39:44,967 --> 04:39:45,867 um yeah, it is it is a worrying thing because also an awful lot 9836 04:39:45,867 --> 04:39:47,767 thing because also an awful lot of it has happened during the 9837 04:39:47,767 --> 04:39:48,367 of it has happened during the lockdown hasn’t it We’ve heard 9838 04:39:48,367 --> 04:39:49,333 lockdown hasn’t it We’ve heard from all parts of the country 9839 04:39:49,333 --> 04:39:52,000 from all parts of the country that. This kind of tissues uh 9840 04:39:52,000 --> 04:39:54,334 that. This kind of tissues uh creeping uh sort of development 9841 04:39:54,334 --> 04:39:55,700 creeping uh sort of development of the various city streets in 9842 04:39:55,700 --> 04:39:57,766 of the various city streets in all sorts of places like leads 9843 04:39:57,766 --> 04:39:59,434 all sorts of places like leads Manchester London Elsewhere, 9844 04:39:59,434 --> 04:40:00,133 Manchester London Elsewhere, Birmingham, Where suddenly you 9845 04:40:00,133 --> 04:40:01,901 Birmingham, Where suddenly you wake up one morning and the 9846 04:40:01,901 --> 04:40:02,566 wake up one morning and the roads used to go down. It’s got 9847 04:40:02,566 --> 04:40:04,133 roads used to go down. It’s got a big plant pot in it so you 9848 04:40:04,133 --> 04:40:05,834 a big plant pot in it so you can’t use it or there’s a big 9849 04:40:05,834 --> 04:40:06,867 can’t use it or there’s a big cycle line that’s been built. 9850 04:40:06,867 --> 04:40:07,599 cycle line that’s been built. There’s a big curve. that means 9851 04:40:07,599 --> 04:40:09,234 There’s a big curve. that means that you can’t get through that 9852 04:40:09,234 --> 04:40:10,301 that you can’t get through that particular spot and it’s all 9853 04:40:10,301 --> 04:40:11,667 particular spot and it’s all been done because everyone 9854 04:40:11,667 --> 04:40:12,234 been done because everyone thought they wouldn’t be on 9855 04:40:12,234 --> 04:40:13,933 thought they wouldn’t be on driving around. But of course, 9856 04:40:13,933 --> 04:40:15,267 driving around. But of course, the reverse happened because 9857 04:40:15,267 --> 04:40:17,167 the reverse happened because now nobody’s on the public 9858 04:40:17,167 --> 04:40:18,467 now nobody’s on the public transport system. Yeah, 9859 04:40:18,467 --> 04:40:19,834 transport system. Yeah, absolutely and it’s possible to 9860 04:40:19,834 --> 04:40:21,067 absolutely and it’s possible to see how that’s gonna end really 9861 04:40:21,067 --> 04:40:22,367 see how that’s gonna end really because I think it was a 9862 04:40:22,367 --> 04:40:23,767 because I think it was a student. Right at the beginning 9863 04:40:23,767 --> 04:40:24,500 student. Right at the beginning of locked down that sort of 9864 04:40:24,500 --> 04:40:25,967 of locked down that sort of life would never go back to 9865 04:40:25,967 --> 04:40:27,733 life would never go back to normal. um so this really short 9866 04:40:27,733 --> 04:40:28,933 normal. um so this really short sighted policies that put in 9867 04:40:28,933 --> 04:40:29,900 sighted policies that put in place and all of these cycling 9868 04:40:29,900 --> 04:40:31,299 place and all of these cycling just took over the whole of 9869 04:40:31,299 --> 04:40:32,900 just took over the whole of London and I’m sure um other 9870 04:40:32,900 --> 04:40:35,399 London and I’m sure um other cities around the UK and now 9871 04:40:35,399 --> 04:40:36,500 cities around the UK and now people just are going back to 9872 04:40:36,500 --> 04:40:38,133 people just are going back to work and they are gonna go you 9873 04:40:38,133 --> 04:40:39,467 work and they are gonna go you know by the end of next year, 9874 04:40:39,467 --> 04:40:40,599 know by the end of next year, we probably most definitely 9875 04:40:40,599 --> 04:40:41,399 we probably most definitely will have a working vaccine. 9876 04:40:41,399 --> 04:40:42,599 will have a working vaccine. life will go back to normal and 9877 04:40:42,599 --> 04:40:43,567 life will go back to normal and we’ll just have to undo all of 9878 04:40:43,567 --> 04:40:46,766 we’ll just have to undo all of this ridiculous half built um 9879 04:40:46,766 --> 04:40:48,467 this ridiculous half built um infrastructure. So yeah, it’s 9880 04:40:48,467 --> 04:40:50,000 infrastructure. So yeah, it’s just very poorly thought 9881 04:40:50,000 --> 04:40:51,467 just very poorly thought through all of it talking about 9882 04:40:51,467 --> 04:40:53,300 through all of it talking about going back to. It’s back to the 9883 04:40:53,300 --> 04:40:54,299 going back to. It’s back to the future of the Labor party this 9884 04:40:54,299 --> 04:40:55,667 future of the Labor party this week as well, isn’t it because 9885 04:40:55,667 --> 04:40:57,800 week as well, isn’t it because it was just like it was 2019 9886 04:40:57,800 --> 04:41:00,334 it was just like it was 2019 again. Oh god. Yeah. I mean I 9887 04:41:00,334 --> 04:41:01,833 again. Oh god. Yeah. I mean I feel actually quite sorry for 9888 04:41:01,833 --> 04:41:03,400 feel actually quite sorry for kids because obviously he does 9889 04:41:03,400 --> 04:41:04,600 kids because obviously he does want to get rid of Jeremy 9890 04:41:04,600 --> 04:41:05,933 want to get rid of Jeremy Corbin for good um, but he’s 9891 04:41:05,933 --> 04:41:08,299 Corbin for good um, but he’s sort of hands draw by the uh 9892 04:41:08,299 --> 04:41:08,899 sort of hands draw by the uh which is a pack full of 9893 04:41:08,899 --> 04:41:10,000 which is a pack full of organized. We always knew that 9894 04:41:10,000 --> 04:41:11,267 organized. We always knew that was the problem with Corbin 9895 04:41:11,267 --> 04:41:12,800 was the problem with Corbin taking over it wasn’t just his 9896 04:41:12,800 --> 04:41:14,467 taking over it wasn’t just his leadership of the of the labor 9897 04:41:14,467 --> 04:41:15,666 leadership of the of the labor Party. It was that he packed 9898 04:41:15,666 --> 04:41:16,999 Party. It was that he packed all of the structures of the 9899 04:41:16,999 --> 04:41:21,733 all of the structures of the Labor Party with his people um 9900 04:41:21,733 --> 04:41:23,500 Labor Party with his people um so now Paul unable to kick 9901 04:41:23,500 --> 04:41:25,266 so now Paul unable to kick Jeremy Corbin out for good, so 9902 04:41:25,266 --> 04:41:25,967 Jeremy Corbin out for good, so he reaches bizarre compromise, 9903 04:41:25,967 --> 04:41:27,833 he reaches bizarre compromise, which is that Jeremy Corbin is. 9904 04:41:27,833 --> 04:41:29,799 which is that Jeremy Corbin is. Too anti-Semitic to be a labor 9905 04:41:29,799 --> 04:41:32,000 Too anti-Semitic to be a labor MP uh well, it’s okay. he can 9906 04:41:32,000 --> 04:41:33,700 MP uh well, it’s okay. he can still be in the labor party. 9907 04:41:33,700 --> 04:41:34,834 still be in the labor party. Yeah. it’s absolutely yeah and 9908 04:41:34,834 --> 04:41:36,166 Yeah. it’s absolutely yeah and depending on who in the labor 9909 04:41:36,166 --> 04:41:37,766 depending on who in the labor party, you speak to he’s still 9910 04:41:37,766 --> 04:41:39,966 party, you speak to he’s still yeah and depending on who you 9911 04:41:39,966 --> 04:41:40,466 yeah and depending on who you speak to the labor Party, he 9912 04:41:40,466 --> 04:41:42,834 speak to the labor Party, he still is a labor MP, or he’s 9913 04:41:42,834 --> 04:41:44,000 still is a labor MP, or he’s sort of just on the outskirts 9914 04:41:44,000 --> 04:41:45,700 sort of just on the outskirts of it, but he will be soon and 9915 04:41:45,700 --> 04:41:47,966 of it, but he will be soon and there’s thirty as many as 32. 9916 04:41:47,966 --> 04:41:49,667 there’s thirty as many as 32. um labor MPs have put their 9917 04:41:49,667 --> 04:41:52,000 um labor MPs have put their name to a um to a document, 9918 04:41:52,000 --> 04:41:54,500 name to a um to a document, which is demanding the whit be 9919 04:41:54,500 --> 04:41:57,434 which is demanding the whit be restored Um yeah, I mean to be 9920 04:41:57,434 --> 04:41:58,367 restored Um yeah, I mean to be fair to them. II sort of see 9921 04:41:58,367 --> 04:42:00,767 fair to them. II sort of see that logic if you. Be a labor 9922 04:42:00,767 --> 04:42:02,301 that logic if you. Be a labor MP, um then if you could be 9923 04:42:02,301 --> 04:42:03,334 MP, um then if you could be could be a labor member, then 9924 04:42:03,334 --> 04:42:05,167 could be a labor member, then why shouldn’t he be a be a 9925 04:42:05,167 --> 04:42:06,301 why shouldn’t he be a be a labor? MP? I don’t think that I 9926 04:42:06,301 --> 04:42:07,799 labor? MP? I don’t think that I don’t think he should he should 9927 04:42:07,799 --> 04:42:09,567 don’t think he should he should be a labor member at all. Um 9928 04:42:09,567 --> 04:42:11,733 be a labor member at all. Um it’s just terrible politics. I 9929 04:42:11,733 --> 04:42:12,767 it’s just terrible politics. I can’t stop because he’s managed 9930 04:42:12,767 --> 04:42:14,467 can’t stop because he’s managed to infuriate pretty much 9931 04:42:14,467 --> 04:42:16,000 to infuriate pretty much everyone. I mean we’re Jews and 9932 04:42:16,000 --> 04:42:17,900 everyone. I mean we’re Jews and people babies the rights of the 9933 04:42:17,900 --> 04:42:19,434 people babies the rights of the Labor Party. Absolutely furious 9934 04:42:19,434 --> 04:42:20,800 Labor Party. Absolutely furious um that he’s been allowed back 9935 04:42:20,800 --> 04:42:22,334 um that he’s been allowed back in and and yet his own is 9936 04:42:22,334 --> 04:42:23,767 in and and yet his own is furious that he’s not allowed 9937 04:42:23,767 --> 04:42:25,366 furious that he’s not allowed to be an MP. Yeah. So it’s like 9938 04:42:25,366 --> 04:42:26,467 to be an MP. Yeah. So it’s like I think the most offensive 9939 04:42:26,467 --> 04:42:28,000 I think the most offensive thing he’s done this week is to 9940 04:42:28,000 --> 04:42:29,866 thing he’s done this week is to wear that sky blue sort of 9941 04:42:29,866 --> 04:42:31,467 wear that sky blue sort of jacket that I saw him emerging 9942 04:42:31,467 --> 04:42:32,767 jacket that I saw him emerging from his. With I don’t know 9943 04:42:32,767 --> 04:42:33,966 from his. With I don’t know where he got that from, but it 9944 04:42:33,966 --> 04:42:34,833 where he got that from, but it certainly is not. I mean it’s a 9945 04:42:34,833 --> 04:42:35,834 certainly is not. I mean it’s a sort of thing that you would 9946 04:42:35,834 --> 04:42:38,967 sort of thing that you would wear on a one of those TV game 9947 04:42:38,967 --> 04:42:40,533 wear on a one of those TV game shows isn’t it I haven’t seen 9948 04:42:40,533 --> 04:42:41,966 shows isn’t it I haven’t seen that? don’t Oh, I think we 9949 04:42:41,966 --> 04:42:42,900 that? don’t Oh, I think we might have some footage of it. 9950 04:42:42,900 --> 04:42:44,000 might have some footage of it. We’ll see if we can put it up 9951 04:42:44,000 --> 04:42:44,767 We’ll see if we can put it up there later on, but I mean this 9952 04:42:44,767 --> 04:42:46,033 there later on, but I mean this is the other thing about the 9953 04:42:46,033 --> 04:42:48,599 is the other thing about the Labor Party has now appeared as 9954 04:42:48,599 --> 04:42:50,133 Labor Party has now appeared as if he’s completely power. 9955 04:42:50,133 --> 04:42:51,899 if he’s completely power. that’s completely mud. He has 9956 04:42:51,899 --> 04:42:53,800 that’s completely mud. He has no uh ability to control his 9957 04:42:53,800 --> 04:42:56,133 no uh ability to control his own party and yet he’s and yet 9958 04:42:56,133 --> 04:42:57,500 own party and yet he’s and yet we’re told this is a guy who 9959 04:42:57,500 --> 04:42:58,033 we’re told this is a guy who could be the prime minister. 9960 04:42:58,033 --> 04:42:59,133 could be the prime minister. What happens if he becomes the 9961 04:42:59,133 --> 04:43:02,033 What happens if he becomes the prime minister and he still 9962 04:43:02,033 --> 04:43:03,933 prime minister and he still can’t control his own party. I. 9963 04:43:03,933 --> 04:43:06,233 can’t control his own party. I. Um and he’s sort of throw his 9964 04:43:06,233 --> 04:43:07,366 Um and he’s sort of throw his arms up and you get your 9965 04:43:07,366 --> 04:43:07,966 arms up and you get your impressions and well. that’s 9966 04:43:07,966 --> 04:43:08,834 impressions and well. that’s not my fault. It’s the ball to 9967 04:43:08,834 --> 04:43:10,399 not my fault. It’s the ball to the but if you can’t get the 9968 04:43:10,399 --> 04:43:12,767 the but if you can’t get the back to us so sensible 9969 04:43:12,767 --> 04:43:13,567 back to us so sensible civilized board of ordinary 9970 04:43:13,567 --> 04:43:15,767 civilized board of ordinary people, then this is gonna be 9971 04:43:15,767 --> 04:43:17,034 people, then this is gonna be there’ll be problems like this 9972 04:43:17,034 --> 04:43:19,434 there’ll be problems like this throughout his uh tenure. um so 9973 04:43:19,434 --> 04:43:21,067 throughout his uh tenure. um so yeah, as you say how on earth 9974 04:43:21,067 --> 04:43:22,299 yeah, as you say how on earth can you be prime Minister if he 9975 04:43:22,299 --> 04:43:23,834 can you be prime Minister if he can’t draw that I mean if it 9976 04:43:23,834 --> 04:43:25,233 can’t draw that I mean if it was me, I think I might say to 9977 04:43:25,233 --> 04:43:26,334 was me, I think I might say to him look. I tell you what we 9978 04:43:26,334 --> 04:43:27,800 him look. I tell you what we do. We will restore the whip to 9979 04:43:27,800 --> 04:43:29,767 do. We will restore the whip to you. however, you do actually 9980 04:43:29,767 --> 04:43:31,100 you. however, you do actually need to apologize for what you 9981 04:43:31,100 --> 04:43:34,233 need to apologize for what you did, but she still hasn’t done. 9982 04:43:34,233 --> 04:43:36,767 did, but she still hasn’t done. No, I mean what he has done is 9983 04:43:36,767 --> 04:43:37,667 No, I mean what he has done is so he said on the twenty-fifth 9984 04:43:37,667 --> 04:43:39,833 so he said on the twenty-fifth of October that the claims were 9985 04:43:39,833 --> 04:43:41,434 of October that the claims were overstated and it claims that 9986 04:43:41,434 --> 04:43:42,834 overstated and it claims that Labor party and under his 9987 04:43:42,834 --> 04:43:45,299 Labor party and under his tenure um were overstated and 9988 04:43:45,299 --> 04:43:46,767 tenure um were overstated and exaggerated and now 2 weeks 9989 04:43:46,767 --> 04:43:49,299 exaggerated and now 2 weeks later, he said. Um I never 9990 04:43:49,299 --> 04:43:52,800 later, he said. Um I never suggested or I we would be 9991 04:43:52,800 --> 04:43:54,334 suggested or I we would be wrong to say that uh 9992 04:43:54,334 --> 04:43:55,167 wrong to say that uh antisemitism the labor party 9993 04:43:55,167 --> 04:43:56,899 antisemitism the labor party were exaggerated so he’s gone 9994 04:43:56,899 --> 04:43:57,634 were exaggerated so he’s gone completely back in his work, 9995 04:43:57,634 --> 04:43:59,900 completely back in his work, but yeah, I’m yet to hear sorry 9996 04:43:59,900 --> 04:44:01,333 but yeah, I’m yet to hear sorry now. he’s done that kind of you 9997 04:44:01,333 --> 04:44:02,800 now. he’s done that kind of you know. obviously there uh I 9998 04:44:02,800 --> 04:44:03,799 know. obviously there uh I regret if something’s happened 9999 04:44:03,799 --> 04:44:05,300 regret if something’s happened that some people got. Which is 10000 04:44:05,300 --> 04:44:06,500 that some people got. Which is not the same as saying, I’m 10001 04:44:06,500 --> 04:44:07,833 not the same as saying, I’m sorry for something that I 10002 04:44:07,833 --> 04:44:09,267 sorry for something that I actually did um, which is which 10003 04:44:09,267 --> 04:44:10,533 actually did um, which is which is madness. the other big story 10004 04:44:10,533 --> 04:44:11,267 is madness. the other big story that we’ve talked about here 10005 04:44:11,267 --> 04:44:12,967 that we’ve talked about here and we managed to get on plank 10006 04:44:12,967 --> 04:44:13,667 and we managed to get on plank of the week this week, as well 10007 04:44:13,667 --> 04:44:14,999 of the week this week, as well as the crown, of course, 10008 04:44:14,999 --> 04:44:17,533 as the crown, of course, because um Harry and Megan um 10009 04:44:17,533 --> 04:44:19,067 because um Harry and Megan um have got themselves into a bit 10010 04:44:19,067 --> 04:44:21,000 have got themselves into a bit of uh bit of trouble over the 10011 04:44:21,000 --> 04:44:22,567 of uh bit of trouble over the fact that uh you know, Harry 10012 04:44:22,567 --> 04:44:23,867 fact that uh you know, Harry has said nothing really about 10013 04:44:23,867 --> 04:44:25,100 has said nothing really about the way that his mother and 10014 04:44:25,100 --> 04:44:26,634 the way that his mother and father are being portrayed in 10015 04:44:26,634 --> 04:44:28,899 father are being portrayed in this latest series. Four. Yeah. 10016 04:44:28,899 --> 04:44:29,966 this latest series. Four. Yeah. Well, he’s got himself in some 10017 04:44:29,966 --> 04:44:31,734 Well, he’s got himself in some hot water because he’s got to 10018 04:44:31,734 --> 04:44:34,000 hot water because he’s got to deal with Netflix right um and 10019 04:44:34,000 --> 04:44:35,599 deal with Netflix right um and he so he can’t really say 10020 04:44:35,599 --> 04:44:37,867 he so he can’t really say anything. Of Netflix and yet 10021 04:44:37,867 --> 04:44:39,933 anything. Of Netflix and yet this, oh, I mean I was quite 10022 04:44:39,933 --> 04:44:40,834 this, oh, I mean I was quite like the crowd. It was sort of 10023 04:44:40,834 --> 04:44:42,234 like the crowd. It was sort of silly but enjoyable the moment 10024 04:44:42,234 --> 04:44:43,933 silly but enjoyable the moment with this series, I find it’s 10025 04:44:43,933 --> 04:44:44,600 with this series, I find it’s actually just quite boring. It 10026 04:44:44,600 --> 04:44:46,867 actually just quite boring. It will be a lot better drama if 10027 04:44:46,867 --> 04:44:47,900 will be a lot better drama if all the characters were 10028 04:44:47,900 --> 04:44:48,566 all the characters were represented accurately instead 10029 04:44:48,566 --> 04:44:50,000 represented accurately instead of just sort of this love fest 10030 04:44:50,000 --> 04:44:52,300 of just sort of this love fest of Diana um and everyone else 10031 04:44:52,300 --> 04:44:53,366 of Diana um and everyone else presented to sort of evil, 10032 04:44:53,366 --> 04:44:54,867 presented to sort of evil, Yeah, and which obviously isn’t 10033 04:44:54,867 --> 04:44:55,867 Yeah, and which obviously isn’t accurate, They’re so 10034 04:44:55,867 --> 04:44:56,634 accurate, They’re so simplistic. It’s actually just 10035 04:44:56,634 --> 04:44:57,799 simplistic. It’s actually just flooring. Yeah. Well, I mean 10036 04:44:57,799 --> 04:44:58,967 flooring. Yeah. Well, I mean I’ve watched it for the first 10037 04:44:58,967 --> 04:44:59,967 I’ve watched it for the first time on Sunday night and I 10038 04:44:59,967 --> 04:45:01,466 time on Sunday night and I never watched an episode of it 10039 04:45:01,466 --> 04:45:02,767 never watched an episode of it in my life. Okay, and I just 10040 04:45:02,767 --> 04:45:04,167 in my life. Okay, and I just thought it was really negative. 10041 04:45:04,167 --> 04:45:05,599 thought it was really negative. You know almost everyone in it 10042 04:45:05,599 --> 04:45:06,600 You know almost everyone in it as you say was painted as some 10043 04:45:06,600 --> 04:45:08,766 as you say was painted as some kind of. Either upper class 10044 04:45:08,766 --> 04:45:10,599 kind of. Either upper class twit or kind of you know 10045 04:45:10,599 --> 04:45:12,833 twit or kind of you know completely not to the unfailing 10046 04:45:12,833 --> 04:45:13,500 completely not to the unfailing godly member of the aristocracy 10047 04:45:13,500 --> 04:45:15,933 godly member of the aristocracy or in that’s his case. You know 10048 04:45:15,933 --> 04:45:17,133 or in that’s his case. You know somebody who appears to have a 10049 04:45:17,133 --> 04:45:18,500 somebody who appears to have a sort of speech impediment 10050 04:45:18,500 --> 04:45:20,834 sort of speech impediment talking very slowly as if um 10051 04:45:20,834 --> 04:45:22,767 talking very slowly as if um you know she didn’t really 10052 04:45:22,767 --> 04:45:23,967 you know she didn’t really understand it is it. yeah 10053 04:45:23,967 --> 04:45:25,599 understand it is it. yeah exactly um no one’s relatable 10054 04:45:25,599 --> 04:45:27,299 exactly um no one’s relatable at all and this all the 10055 04:45:27,299 --> 04:45:27,899 at all and this all the materials for a brilliant drama 10056 04:45:27,899 --> 04:45:29,067 materials for a brilliant drama that you’ve got really 10057 04:45:29,067 --> 04:45:29,799 that you’ve got really interesting characters really 10058 04:45:29,799 --> 04:45:31,533 interesting characters really sort of interesting multi-layer 10059 04:45:31,533 --> 04:45:32,234 sort of interesting multi-layer characters trying to make sort 10060 04:45:32,234 --> 04:45:33,400 characters trying to make sort of impossible situation well, 10061 04:45:33,400 --> 04:45:35,067 of impossible situation well, and yet what the crowd has done 10062 04:45:35,067 --> 04:45:35,700 and yet what the crowd has done is to sort of made them all 10063 04:45:35,700 --> 04:45:37,334 is to sort of made them all into as you say. It’s 10064 04:45:37,334 --> 04:45:39,133 into as you say. It’s completely unfair totally 10065 04:45:39,133 --> 04:45:41,334 completely unfair totally unreliable um and apart from 10066 04:45:41,334 --> 04:45:42,867 unreliable um and apart from Diana who’s who’s presented us, 10067 04:45:42,867 --> 04:45:45,467 Diana who’s who’s presented us, absolutely wonderful um but you 10068 04:45:45,467 --> 04:45:46,833 absolutely wonderful um but you know everyone else is so evil. 10069 04:45:46,833 --> 04:45:48,133 know everyone else is so evil. It’s completely unbelievable. 10070 04:45:48,133 --> 04:45:49,334 It’s completely unbelievable. I’m not particularly watchable 10071 04:45:49,334 --> 04:45:50,267 I’m not particularly watchable and I must say one of the 10072 04:45:50,267 --> 04:45:52,133 and I must say one of the things that I found quite 10073 04:45:52,133 --> 04:45:52,800 things that I found quite objection about it was the way 10074 04:45:52,800 --> 04:45:54,800 objection about it was the way that that they um the 10075 04:45:54,800 --> 04:45:56,800 that that they um the assassination of Lord Mount 10076 04:45:56,800 --> 04:45:57,700 assassination of Lord Mount Baton because the kind of the 10077 04:45:57,700 --> 04:45:58,999 Baton because the kind of the mood music around the explosion 10078 04:45:58,999 --> 04:46:01,399 mood music around the explosion on the boat was almost as 10079 04:46:01,399 --> 04:46:02,467 on the boat was almost as though it was somehow 10080 04:46:02,467 --> 04:46:04,933 though it was somehow justifiable given you know the 10081 04:46:04,933 --> 04:46:06,800 justifiable given you know the occupation of Ireland. Yeah. 10082 04:46:06,800 --> 04:46:10,301 occupation of Ireland. Yeah. Exactly um it just I’ve seen 10083 04:46:10,301 --> 04:46:10,999 Exactly um it just I’ve seen quite a lot of people actually, 10084 04:46:10,999 --> 04:46:12,399 quite a lot of people actually, yeah quite a lot of that sort 10085 04:46:12,399 --> 04:46:16,399 yeah quite a lot of that sort of voice overs. Um it comes 10086 04:46:16,399 --> 04:46:18,767 of voice overs. Um it comes across as pretty Ira and 10087 04:46:18,767 --> 04:46:21,334 across as pretty Ira and pathetic um, and yeah, I mean, 10088 04:46:21,334 --> 04:46:23,133 pathetic um, and yeah, I mean, yeah, it’s the Lord now bating 10089 04:46:23,133 --> 04:46:24,600 yeah, it’s the Lord now bating for. I’m sure he wasn’t the 10090 04:46:24,600 --> 04:46:26,400 for. I’m sure he wasn’t the nicest man in every single way 10091 04:46:26,400 --> 04:46:27,767 nicest man in every single way um, but yeah, it’s literally 10092 04:46:27,767 --> 04:46:28,700 um, but yeah, it’s literally presented to his margin was 10093 04:46:28,700 --> 04:46:30,867 presented to his margin was somehow justified. Yeah because 10094 04:46:30,867 --> 04:46:31,766 somehow justified. Yeah because he might have been a bit of an 10095 04:46:31,766 --> 04:46:33,533 he might have been a bit of an adopter for some reason the 10096 04:46:33,533 --> 04:46:34,333 adopter for some reason the other thing as well that I 10097 04:46:34,333 --> 04:46:36,334 other thing as well that I found remarkable uh is. Peter 10098 04:46:36,334 --> 04:46:37,900 found remarkable uh is. Peter Morgan, the writer of the show 10099 04:46:37,900 --> 04:46:40,300 Morgan, the writer of the show who’s a very esteemed uh and 10100 04:46:40,300 --> 04:46:41,800 who’s a very esteemed uh and well known writer who did Frost 10101 04:46:41,800 --> 04:46:42,933 well known writer who did Frost Nicks and a bunch of other 10102 04:46:42,933 --> 04:46:44,267 Nicks and a bunch of other things, has actually admitted 10103 04:46:44,267 --> 04:46:46,133 things, has actually admitted um that basically he made a lot 10104 04:46:46,133 --> 04:46:48,267 um that basically he made a lot of stuff up and you think to 10105 04:46:48,267 --> 04:46:49,233 of stuff up and you think to yourself you know of all the 10106 04:46:49,233 --> 04:46:51,800 yourself you know of all the stories um from history that 10107 04:46:51,800 --> 04:46:52,233 stories um from history that involve the royal family, 10108 04:46:52,233 --> 04:46:53,834 involve the royal family, Charles and Diana’s story 10109 04:46:53,834 --> 04:46:54,800 Charles and Diana’s story really doesn’t need any extra 10110 04:46:54,800 --> 04:46:56,400 really doesn’t need any extra OI mean it’s a pretty 10111 04:46:56,400 --> 04:46:57,767 OI mean it’s a pretty scandalous and sensational 10112 04:46:57,767 --> 04:46:58,999 scandalous and sensational story from beginning to end the 10113 04:46:58,999 --> 04:47:00,133 story from beginning to end the idea that you have to kinda 10114 04:47:00,133 --> 04:47:01,567 idea that you have to kinda make up scenarios to make it 10115 04:47:01,567 --> 04:47:02,900 make up scenarios to make it more interesting is ridiculous. 10116 04:47:02,900 --> 04:47:04,533 more interesting is ridiculous. isn’t it? I know this is the 10117 04:47:04,533 --> 04:47:06,000 isn’t it? I know this is the thing and And you know, it’s 10118 04:47:06,000 --> 04:47:07,434 thing and And you know, it’s all very well for a lot of 10119 04:47:07,434 --> 04:47:08,300 all very well for a lot of people say yeah. Well, it’s 10120 04:47:08,300 --> 04:47:09,467 people say yeah. Well, it’s only a drama. That’s what 10121 04:47:09,467 --> 04:47:10,000 only a drama. That’s what that’s what the writer says. 10122 04:47:10,000 --> 04:47:11,767 that’s what the writer says. Well, It’s only a drama. Yeah, 10123 04:47:11,767 --> 04:47:12,500 Well, It’s only a drama. Yeah, but people are obviously 10124 04:47:12,500 --> 04:47:13,766 but people are obviously watching and thinking it’s it’s 10125 04:47:13,766 --> 04:47:15,967 watching and thinking it’s it’s it’s still um I was looking at 10126 04:47:15,967 --> 04:47:17,533 it’s still um I was looking at some sort of Facebook group and 10127 04:47:17,533 --> 04:47:18,834 some sort of Facebook group and so many people go. Oh my 10128 04:47:18,834 --> 04:47:20,599 so many people go. Oh my goodness. I can’t believe the 10129 04:47:20,599 --> 04:47:21,967 goodness. I can’t believe the way that Charles she’s and then 10130 04:47:21,967 --> 04:47:24,366 way that Charles she’s and then all of this. How could you how 10131 04:47:24,366 --> 04:47:25,500 all of this. How could you how could you have gone away when 10132 04:47:25,500 --> 04:47:26,167 could you have gone away when she was there and then you look 10133 04:47:26,167 --> 04:47:27,634 she was there and then you look it up and it just didn’t happen 10134 04:47:27,634 --> 04:47:28,366 it up and it just didn’t happen and people are people are 10135 04:47:28,366 --> 04:47:29,867 and people are people are obviously assuming that it’s 10136 04:47:29,867 --> 04:47:31,267 obviously assuming that it’s history. Yeah. So it’s easy to 10137 04:47:31,267 --> 04:47:32,334 history. Yeah. So it’s easy to get outdoors. just to say, Oh, 10138 04:47:32,334 --> 04:47:33,766 get outdoors. just to say, Oh, it’s just a drama. It’s about 10139 04:47:33,766 --> 04:47:35,267 it’s just a drama. It’s about real people living today and 10140 04:47:35,267 --> 04:47:36,333 real people living today and exactly right and that is the 10141 04:47:36,333 --> 04:47:37,867 exactly right and that is the point and. And that’s why you 10142 04:47:37,867 --> 04:47:39,067 point and. And that’s why you know looking at the way. Prince 10143 04:47:39,067 --> 04:47:40,834 know looking at the way. Prince William has kind of uh 10144 04:47:40,834 --> 04:47:42,334 William has kind of uh interfered into the Bbc’s 10145 04:47:42,334 --> 04:47:43,067 interfered into the Bbc’s investigation not only 10146 04:47:43,067 --> 04:47:44,967 investigation not only interfere but more or less 10147 04:47:44,967 --> 04:47:45,834 interfere but more or less ordered a proper investigation 10148 04:47:45,834 --> 04:47:47,900 ordered a proper investigation into the business. You know his 10149 04:47:47,900 --> 04:47:49,700 into the business. You know his brother Harry uh is keeping 10150 04:47:49,700 --> 04:47:51,133 brother Harry uh is keeping very quiet, presumably under 10151 04:47:51,133 --> 04:47:53,533 very quiet, presumably under orders uh for missus Harry uh 10152 04:47:53,533 --> 04:47:54,967 orders uh for missus Harry uh not to upset the Apple card 10153 04:47:54,967 --> 04:47:57,500 not to upset the Apple card when it comes to Netflix. Yeah, 10154 04:47:57,500 --> 04:47:58,700 when it comes to Netflix. Yeah, of course, because that’s where 10155 04:47:58,700 --> 04:47:59,900 of course, because that’s where the next paycheck is coming 10156 04:47:59,900 --> 04:48:02,334 the next paycheck is coming from um he’s gonna find himself 10157 04:48:02,334 --> 04:48:03,833 from um he’s gonna find himself in situations like this, surely 10158 04:48:03,833 --> 04:48:04,700 in situations like this, surely over and over and over again it 10159 04:48:04,700 --> 04:48:08,133 over and over and over again it just shows. 10160 04:48:08,133 --> 04:48:08,200 just shows. How could 10161 04:48:08,200 --> 04:48:09,333 How could he just run off to 10162 04:48:09,333 --> 04:48:11,067 How could he just run off to Hollywood um and not realize 10163 04:48:11,067 --> 04:48:11,967 Hollywood um and not realize that there were gonna be huge 10164 04:48:11,967 --> 04:48:13,567 that there were gonna be huge consequences So I’m going to be 10165 04:48:13,567 --> 04:48:14,467 consequences So I’m going to be massive conflicts of interest 10166 04:48:14,467 --> 04:48:16,634 massive conflicts of interest all the time um as you say, 10167 04:48:16,634 --> 04:48:18,767 all the time um as you say, this is how well the actually 10168 04:48:18,767 --> 04:48:20,399 this is how well the actually run a piece um yesterday on 10169 04:48:20,399 --> 04:48:22,334 run a piece um yesterday on online about minds with Angel 10170 04:48:22,334 --> 04:48:23,933 online about minds with Angel Le earlier in the week, who 10171 04:48:23,933 --> 04:48:24,399 Le earlier in the week, who curiously actually writes for 10172 04:48:24,399 --> 04:48:25,834 curiously actually writes for the male um so you think they 10173 04:48:25,834 --> 04:48:26,900 the male um so you think they might have got it from her 10174 04:48:26,900 --> 04:48:28,267 might have got it from her originally but when she said 10175 04:48:28,267 --> 04:48:29,400 originally but when she said she interviewed Harry just 10176 04:48:29,400 --> 04:48:30,967 she interviewed Harry just about 2 years ago, and he said 10177 04:48:30,967 --> 04:48:32,000 about 2 years ago, and he said to her that they were watching 10178 04:48:32,000 --> 04:48:33,334 to her that they were watching the crown but that he would 10179 04:48:33,334 --> 04:48:34,367 the crown but that he would make sure that they weren’t 10180 04:48:34,367 --> 04:48:35,567 make sure that they weren’t able to interfere with his 10181 04:48:35,567 --> 04:48:37,500 able to interfere with his life. Because he would stop 10182 04:48:37,500 --> 04:48:39,267 life. Because he would stop them before they got that far 10183 04:48:39,267 --> 04:48:41,800 them before they got that far well, that hasn’t really worked 10184 04:48:41,800 --> 04:48:43,367 well, that hasn’t really worked out of it. No hasn’t worked out 10185 04:48:43,367 --> 04:48:45,966 out of it. No hasn’t worked out at all um and we’re gonna we’ve 10186 04:48:45,966 --> 04:48:47,067 at all um and we’re gonna we’ve surely just be barreling 10187 04:48:47,067 --> 04:48:48,234 surely just be barreling through. I don’t know what the 10188 04:48:48,234 --> 04:48:49,133 through. I don’t know what the plan is for the rest of the 10189 04:48:49,133 --> 04:48:49,767 plan is for the rest of the crown, which will just be 10190 04:48:49,767 --> 04:48:51,034 crown, which will just be barreling through right up 10191 04:48:51,034 --> 04:48:52,234 barreling through right up until the present. then they’re 10192 04:48:52,234 --> 04:48:54,000 until the present. then they’re gonna be huge. I’m sorry. Oh my 10193 04:48:54,000 --> 04:48:55,934 gonna be huge. I’m sorry. Oh my god. you know if if it all goes 10194 04:48:55,934 --> 04:48:58,967 god. you know if if it all goes to plan, maybe Megan and Harry 10195 04:48:58,967 --> 04:48:59,766 to plan, maybe Megan and Harry will just play themselves. 10196 04:48:59,766 --> 04:49:01,800 will just play themselves. Yeah, that’s their dream. come 10197 04:49:01,800 --> 04:49:03,966 Yeah, that’s their dream. come true. I think narcissist is 10198 04:49:03,966 --> 04:49:05,434 true. I think narcissist is getting huge amount of just 10199 04:49:05,434 --> 04:49:06,767 getting huge amount of just just tell yourself. Yeah, I 10200 04:49:06,767 --> 04:49:07,967 just tell yourself. Yeah, I just even invent some stuff 10201 04:49:07,967 --> 04:49:09,399 just even invent some stuff that you never did to make out 10202 04:49:09,399 --> 04:49:11,199 that you never did to make out that you’re much nice than you 10203 04:49:11,199 --> 04:49:12,467 that you’re much nice than you really are right. Yeah. That 10204 04:49:12,467 --> 04:49:14,334 really are right. Yeah. That sounds like Megan. Maybe that’s 10205 04:49:14,334 --> 04:49:14,967 sounds like Megan. Maybe that’s a part that she could act well 10206 04:49:14,967 --> 04:49:16,566 a part that she could act well the perfect scenario. Yeah 10207 04:49:16,566 --> 04:49:17,867 the perfect scenario. Yeah brilliant stuff. stuff. Olivia 10208 04:49:17,867 --> 04:49:18,766 brilliant stuff. stuff. Olivia Thank you very much you the 10209 04:49:18,766 --> 04:49:20,033 Thank you very much you the deputy leader writer at the Sun 10210 04:49:20,033 --> 04:49:21,533 deputy leader writer at the Sun uh with her take on the big 10211 04:49:21,533 --> 04:49:23,000 uh with her take on the big stories of the week very uh 10212 04:49:23,000 --> 04:49:24,366 stories of the week very uh interesting as well because you 10213 04:49:24,366 --> 04:49:26,567 interesting as well because you know um this whole crown. 10214 04:49:26,567 --> 04:49:27,900 know um this whole crown. Netflix thing isn’t gonna go 10215 04:49:27,900 --> 04:49:28,599 Netflix thing isn’t gonna go away. I know that some people 10216 04:49:28,599 --> 04:49:29,799 away. 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From 10374 04:54:10,467 --> 04:54:11,967 the weekend Saturday and. From one right now, let’s go the 10375 04:54:11,967 --> 04:54:13,267 one right now, let’s go the phones we are the home in 10376 04:54:13,267 --> 04:54:14,267 phones we are the home in common sense. Let’s hear some 10377 04:54:14,267 --> 04:54:16,133 common sense. Let’s hear some from James uh who’s in London. 10378 04:54:16,133 --> 04:54:18,399 from James uh who’s in London. Hi James. Hi Gavin. How are you 10379 04:54:18,399 --> 04:54:21,766 Hi James. Hi Gavin. How are you today? Mike Great Gavin was 10380 04:54:21,766 --> 04:54:25,034 today? Mike Great Gavin was that was that a Gavin Gavin No, 10381 04:54:25,034 --> 04:54:26,467 that was that a Gavin Gavin No, it wasn’t. it wasn’t a 10382 04:54:26,467 --> 04:54:29,800 it wasn’t. it wasn’t a gathering. so I heard Gavin 10383 04:54:29,800 --> 04:54:30,434 gathering. so I heard Gavin Sorry go on no Governor a 10384 04:54:30,434 --> 04:54:31,966 Sorry go on no Governor a governor Sorry, I thought you 10385 04:54:31,966 --> 04:54:33,933 governor Sorry, I thought you said Gavin come on mate, I 10386 04:54:33,933 --> 04:54:34,533 said Gavin come on mate, I said. What are you gonna be 10387 04:54:34,533 --> 04:54:35,934 said. What are you gonna be Gavin for no? I called you. 10388 04:54:35,934 --> 04:54:37,034 Gavin for no? I called you. It’s been a long week mate. 10389 04:54:37,034 --> 04:54:38,534 It’s been a long week mate. What can I tell you they 10390 04:54:38,534 --> 04:54:40,867 What can I tell you they obviously got to me? Um I’m 10391 04:54:40,867 --> 04:54:42,299 obviously got to me? Um I’m just ringing up just to go 10392 04:54:42,299 --> 04:54:45,067 just ringing up just to go about the hypocrisy of the of 10393 04:54:45,067 --> 04:54:48,299 about the hypocrisy of the of the media and the left wing 10394 04:54:48,299 --> 04:54:48,800 the media and the left wing politicians that we’ve got 10395 04:54:48,800 --> 04:54:50,334 politicians that we’ve got there, you know calling out for 10396 04:54:50,334 --> 04:54:53,133 there, you know calling out for the scalp of what they’re 10397 04:54:53,133 --> 04:54:55,533 the scalp of what they’re talking about. you know this is 10398 04:54:55,533 --> 04:54:58,333 talking about. you know this is a successful woman of color. 10399 04:54:58,333 --> 04:55:00,766 a successful woman of color. Yes, that has stood up to the 10400 04:55:00,766 --> 04:55:03,299 Yes, that has stood up to the patriarchy in the home office 10401 04:55:03,299 --> 04:55:06,434 patriarchy in the home office and told Alister and Perrin 10402 04:55:06,434 --> 04:55:08,267 and told Alister and Perrin that they have to do their jobs 10403 04:55:08,267 --> 04:55:08,967 that they have to do their jobs and you know what they’ve 10404 04:55:08,967 --> 04:55:10,133 and you know what they’ve looked at each other. We 10405 04:55:10,133 --> 04:55:13,300 looked at each other. We haven’t been spoken. That is a 10406 04:55:13,300 --> 04:55:16,734 haven’t been spoken. That is a spoke to that when we eat how 10407 04:55:16,734 --> 04:55:17,866 spoke to that when we eat how dare you you you’re absolutely 10408 04:55:17,866 --> 04:55:18,567 dare you you you’re absolutely right. Of course, they can’t 10409 04:55:18,567 --> 04:55:19,900 right. Of course, they can’t they can’t stand the fact that 10410 04:55:19,900 --> 04:55:21,434 they can’t stand the fact that she is all of those things that 10411 04:55:21,434 --> 04:55:23,299 she is all of those things that you’ve just described because 10412 04:55:23,299 --> 04:55:25,366 you’ve just described because they’re not actually at all uh 10413 04:55:25,366 --> 04:55:26,599 they’re not actually at all uh in favor of women being their 10414 04:55:26,599 --> 04:55:28,133 in favor of women being their boss are they cuz most of these 10415 04:55:28,133 --> 04:55:30,933 boss are they cuz most of these guys are died in the world? 10416 04:55:30,933 --> 04:55:31,966 guys are died in the world? Sexist Absolutely you make a 10417 04:55:31,966 --> 04:55:33,434 Sexist Absolutely you make a Joe. What makes me laugh as 10418 04:55:33,434 --> 04:55:35,334 Joe. What makes me laugh as well. You know they go on about 10419 04:55:35,334 --> 04:55:36,066 well. You know they go on about bullying. You know this to find 10420 04:55:36,066 --> 04:55:37,533 bullying. You know this to find the bullying that she’s done 10421 04:55:37,533 --> 04:55:39,266 the bullying that she’s done what she’s actually done is 10422 04:55:39,266 --> 04:55:41,599 what she’s actually done is that place is not fit for. 10423 04:55:41,599 --> 04:55:43,267 that place is not fit for. There’s more leaks coming out 10424 04:55:43,267 --> 04:55:44,799 There’s more leaks coming out of there that my calendar in 10425 04:55:44,799 --> 04:55:46,734 of there that my calendar in the kitchen that’s right and 10426 04:55:46,734 --> 04:55:49,034 the kitchen that’s right and they’ve got no spine mic Now at 10427 04:55:49,034 --> 04:55:50,467 they’ve got no spine mic Now at the end of the day, the people 10428 04:55:50,467 --> 04:55:51,967 the end of the day, the people are working in the home office, 10429 04:55:51,967 --> 04:55:54,567 are working in the home office, the senior uh civil servants 10430 04:55:54,567 --> 04:55:56,934 the senior uh civil servants what they remind me of is jelly 10431 04:55:56,934 --> 04:55:59,166 what they remind me of is jelly sped a yeah, you know at the 10432 04:55:59,166 --> 04:56:00,000 sped a yeah, you know at the end of the day they’ve had it 10433 04:56:00,000 --> 04:56:01,533 end of the day they’ve had it their own way and how dare this 10434 04:56:01,533 --> 04:56:03,234 their own way and how dare this you know successful woman of 10435 04:56:03,234 --> 04:56:06,434 you know successful woman of color that works you know long. 10436 04:56:06,434 --> 04:56:07,300 color that works you know long. How dare you tell us what to do 10437 04:56:07,300 --> 04:56:08,367 How dare you tell us what to do and who is the one that takes 10438 04:56:08,367 --> 04:56:09,567 and who is the one that takes all the flack you know because 10439 04:56:09,567 --> 04:56:11,234 all the flack you know because it’s so that gets called out 10440 04:56:11,234 --> 04:56:12,867 it’s so that gets called out when things don’t work out, you 10441 04:56:12,867 --> 04:56:13,634 when things don’t work out, you know, for example, when she 10442 04:56:13,634 --> 04:56:14,800 know, for example, when she says that we’re gonna do the 10443 04:56:14,800 --> 04:56:16,000 says that we’re gonna do the best we can to fight this 10444 04:56:16,000 --> 04:56:18,733 best we can to fight this ridiculous. Migration illegal 10445 04:56:18,733 --> 04:56:19,767 ridiculous. Migration illegal migration coming across the and 10446 04:56:19,767 --> 04:56:22,434 migration coming across the and she can’t get any of it done 10447 04:56:22,434 --> 04:56:23,634 she can’t get any of it done and partly because of the home 10448 04:56:23,634 --> 04:56:25,333 and partly because of the home office. It’s because of those 10449 04:56:25,333 --> 04:56:27,733 office. It’s because of those those backers might who have 10450 04:56:27,733 --> 04:56:29,700 those backers might who have actually leaked this out of the 10451 04:56:29,700 --> 04:56:31,800 actually leaked this out of the press so that what they want is 10452 04:56:31,800 --> 04:56:33,300 press so that what they want is you know they want basically 10453 04:56:33,300 --> 04:56:34,967 you know they want basically the press and everybody else to 10454 04:56:34,967 --> 04:56:37,533 the press and everybody else to go on and on and on and put the 10455 04:56:37,533 --> 04:56:38,766 go on and on and on and put the pressure on it then and they’re 10456 04:56:38,766 --> 04:56:40,000 pressure on it then and they’re hoping that Boris Johnson was 10457 04:56:40,000 --> 04:56:42,667 hoping that Boris Johnson was soccer. This is the only person 10458 04:56:42,667 --> 04:56:43,900 soccer. This is the only person in that car that has actually 10459 04:56:43,900 --> 04:56:45,434 in that car that has actually got a backbone and pretty Patel 10460 04:56:45,434 --> 04:56:47,800 got a backbone and pretty Patel if you’re bullying the civil 10461 04:56:47,800 --> 04:56:49,466 if you’re bullying the civil service, you were doing your 10462 04:56:49,466 --> 04:56:50,733 service, you were doing your job and you’re talking my book. 10463 04:56:50,733 --> 04:56:51,567 job and you’re talking my book. Yeah. I think we also have to 10464 04:56:51,567 --> 04:56:53,267 Yeah. I think we also have to look at the definition of. Use 10465 04:56:53,267 --> 04:56:54,933 look at the definition of. Use of the word bullying you know, 10466 04:56:54,933 --> 04:56:55,900 of the word bullying you know, because it’s one thing uh there 10467 04:56:55,900 --> 04:56:58,301 because it’s one thing uh there is I mean we’ve all seen and 10468 04:56:58,301 --> 04:56:59,133 is I mean we’ve all seen and witnessed bullies in the past 10469 04:56:59,133 --> 04:57:00,000 witnessed bullies in the past from school all the way through 10470 04:57:00,000 --> 04:57:01,333 from school all the way through to work and everything else, 10471 04:57:01,333 --> 04:57:02,800 to work and everything else, but equally speaking, you can’t 10472 04:57:02,800 --> 04:57:04,799 but equally speaking, you can’t just call somebody a bully and 10473 04:57:04,799 --> 04:57:05,733 just call somebody a bully and then expects everyone to 10474 04:57:05,733 --> 04:57:07,734 then expects everyone to believe you no you can’t make 10475 04:57:07,734 --> 04:57:08,934 believe you no you can’t make at the end of the day these top 10476 04:57:08,934 --> 04:57:11,933 at the end of the day these top civil servants all went to eat. 10477 04:57:11,933 --> 04:57:13,634 civil servants all went to eat. They’re all private schools so 10478 04:57:13,634 --> 04:57:14,767 They’re all private schools so that they know what bullying is 10479 04:57:14,767 --> 04:57:16,133 that they know what bullying is Mike. That’s not bully and that 10480 04:57:16,133 --> 04:57:17,734 Mike. That’s not bully and that is somebody telling them to do 10481 04:57:17,734 --> 04:57:19,333 is somebody telling them to do their jobs right exactly and to 10482 04:57:19,333 --> 04:57:20,800 their jobs right exactly and to get on with it as well by the 10483 04:57:20,800 --> 04:57:22,300 get on with it as well by the way James thanks very much 10484 04:57:22,300 --> 04:57:23,133 way James thanks very much indeed, uh sorry I misheard the 10485 04:57:23,133 --> 04:57:24,066 indeed, uh sorry I misheard the word governor at the start 10486 04:57:24,066 --> 04:57:25,300 word governor at the start there. It’s just that I’m being 10487 04:57:25,300 --> 04:57:25,966 there. It’s just that I’m being called that for quite a long 10488 04:57:25,966 --> 04:57:27,067 called that for quite a long time but there we are thought 10489 04:57:27,067 --> 04:57:27,700 time but there we are thought he’s gonna be Gavin. I don’t 10490 04:57:27,700 --> 04:57:29,599 he’s gonna be Gavin. I don’t know why uh. Luckily, it’s too 10491 04:57:29,599 --> 04:57:30,766 know why uh. Luckily, it’s too late for that particular per 10492 04:57:30,766 --> 04:57:33,067 late for that particular per award to be uh included, but we 10493 04:57:33,067 --> 04:57:34,533 award to be uh included, but we will be doing uh the barriers 10494 04:57:34,533 --> 04:57:35,800 will be doing uh the barriers of course coming up a little 10495 04:57:35,800 --> 04:57:37,167 of course coming up a little bit later on in the show. uh 10496 04:57:37,167 --> 04:57:38,334 bit later on in the show. uh we’ll be taking more of your 10497 04:57:38,334 --> 04:57:41,500 we’ll be taking more of your calls as well as 34491 thousand 10498 04:57:41,500 --> 04:57:43,133 calls as well as 34491 thousand is the number uh lots more uh 10499 04:57:43,133 --> 04:57:44,767 is the number uh lots more uh to do you can tweet us of 10500 04:57:44,767 --> 04:57:45,567 to do you can tweet us of course as well. We’ll be 10501 04:57:45,567 --> 04:57:47,100 course as well. We’ll be talking uh about the PS coming 10502 04:57:47,100 --> 04:57:48,000 talking uh about the PS coming up in the final and not just 10503 04:57:48,000 --> 04:57:49,366 up in the final and not just about the Pos, but I’m also 10504 04:57:49,366 --> 04:57:51,833 about the Pos, but I’m also about all of the madness of 10505 04:57:51,833 --> 04:57:53,466 about all of the madness of twenty. I know it’s starting to 10506 04:57:53,466 --> 04:57:54,533 twenty. I know it’s starting to get down to that Year-end stuff 10507 04:57:54,533 --> 04:57:55,266 get down to that Year-end stuff and stuff and I’m not that’s 10508 04:57:55,266 --> 04:57:56,799 and stuff and I’m not that’s what we’re gonna be gonna be 10509 04:57:56,799 --> 04:57:57,767 what we’re gonna be gonna be doing. but if you remember, you 10510 04:57:57,767 --> 04:57:59,800 doing. but if you remember, you know the Bbc’s. Land of Hope 10511 04:57:59,800 --> 04:58:01,533 know the Bbc’s. Land of Hope and Glory remember that, and we 10512 04:58:01,533 --> 04:58:02,599 and Glory remember that, and we managed to win that particular 10513 04:58:02,599 --> 04:58:03,967 managed to win that particular victory when Ben and Jerry’s 10514 04:58:03,967 --> 04:58:06,399 victory when Ben and Jerry’s ice cream came out with all of 10515 04:58:06,399 --> 04:58:07,133 ice cream came out with all of this stuff that woke everybody 10516 04:58:07,133 --> 04:58:08,467 this stuff that woke everybody up to say that they weren’t 10517 04:58:08,467 --> 04:58:10,634 up to say that they weren’t gonna be dealing with certain 10518 04:58:10,634 --> 04:58:11,367 gonna be dealing with certain people and they were gonna be 10519 04:58:11,367 --> 04:58:12,167 people and they were gonna be dealing dealing with certain 10520 04:58:12,167 --> 04:58:13,533 dealing dealing with certain other all a bit mad. isn’t it, 10521 04:58:13,533 --> 04:58:14,867 other all a bit mad. isn’t it, but we talked to only cover 10522 04:58:14,867 --> 04:58:17,334 but we talked to only cover about that in the next hour. 10523 04:58:17,334 --> 04:58:18,767 about that in the next hour. 034491 thousand. Let’s get some 10524 04:58:18,767 --> 04:58:20,434 034491 thousand. Let’s get some news headlines is Charlotte 10525 04:58:20,434 --> 04:58:23,066 news headlines is Charlotte Fisher Talk radio half hour 10526 04:58:23,066 --> 04:58:24,700 Fisher Talk radio half hour headlines despite an inquiry 10527 04:58:24,700 --> 04:58:25,966 headlines despite an inquiry that’s reportedly found that 10528 04:58:25,966 --> 04:58:26,799 that’s reportedly found that the home secretary broke 10529 04:58:26,799 --> 04:58:28,333 the home secretary broke ministerial rules after claims 10530 04:58:28,333 --> 04:58:30,300 ministerial rules after claims of bullying. Pretty Patel is 10531 04:58:30,300 --> 04:58:31,767 of bullying. Pretty Patel is expected to hold on to her job. 10532 04:58:31,767 --> 04:58:33,299 expected to hold on to her job. The document hasn’t been made 10533 04:58:33,299 --> 04:58:34,099 The document hasn’t been made public, but it’s understood 10534 04:58:34,099 --> 04:58:35,767 public, but it’s understood it’s. Pretty Pat didn’t always 10535 04:58:35,767 --> 04:58:37,900 it’s. Pretty Pat didn’t always treat staff with consideration 10536 04:58:37,900 --> 04:58:38,833 treat staff with consideration and respects. Prime Minister 10537 04:58:38,833 --> 04:58:40,434 and respects. Prime Minister Boris Johnson is expected to 10538 04:58:40,434 --> 04:58:42,367 Boris Johnson is expected to set out his decision later, but 10539 04:58:42,367 --> 04:58:43,966 set out his decision later, but there are reports will keep her 10540 04:58:43,966 --> 04:58:45,466 there are reports will keep her position because the inquiry 10541 04:58:45,466 --> 04:58:46,766 position because the inquiry also found that she didn’t 10542 04:58:46,766 --> 04:58:48,534 also found that she didn’t always do it intentionally Dave 10543 04:58:48,534 --> 04:58:50,766 always do it intentionally Dave is from the FD Union, which 10544 04:58:50,766 --> 04:58:52,699 is from the FD Union, which civil servants, he says Mister 10545 04:58:52,699 --> 04:58:54,400 civil servants, he says Mister Johnson Johnson must stick by 10546 04:58:54,400 --> 04:58:56,501 Johnson Johnson must stick by what he’s previously said you 10547 04:58:56,501 --> 04:58:58,501 what he’s previously said you said that it must be the 10548 04:58:58,501 --> 04:59:00,333 said that it must be the harassment. so is he going by 10549 04:59:00,333 --> 04:59:02,266 harassment. so is he going by once and take action with 10550 04:59:02,266 --> 04:59:04,699 once and take action with booming is discovered. You’re 10551 04:59:04,699 --> 04:59:06,000 booming is discovered. You’re going to make a convenient 10552 04:59:06,000 --> 04:59:08,099 going to make a convenient political decision, a senior MP 10553 04:59:08,099 --> 04:59:09,800 political decision, a senior MP has still radio that it would 10554 04:59:09,800 --> 04:59:10,900 has still radio that it would be unwise for MP to get a pay 10555 04:59:10,900 --> 04:59:12,500 be unwise for MP to get a pay rise next year when public 10556 04:59:12,500 --> 04:59:14,799 rise next year when public sector workers look set to get 10557 04:59:14,799 --> 04:59:16,300 sector workers look set to get a pay freeze front line workers 10558 04:59:16,300 --> 04:59:17,466 a pay freeze front line workers will be exempt from the 10559 04:59:17,466 --> 04:59:18,833 will be exempt from the Chancellor’s plans in an effort 10560 04:59:18,833 --> 04:59:20,400 Chancellor’s plans in an effort to tackle the financial impacts 10561 04:59:20,400 --> 04:59:21,966 to tackle the financial impacts of the pandemic. MP are set to 10562 04:59:21,966 --> 04:59:24,000 of the pandemic. MP are set to get a pay rise of 3000 pounds 10563 04:59:24,000 --> 04:59:25,800 get a pay rise of 3000 pounds next year, which was decided by 10564 04:59:25,800 --> 04:59:26,833 next year, which was decided by an independent body. This is 10565 04:59:26,833 --> 04:59:28,866 an independent body. This is conservative MP Tom Hat. I do 10566 04:59:28,866 --> 04:59:30,000 conservative MP Tom Hat. I do think it would be wrong for 10567 04:59:30,000 --> 04:59:31,966 think it would be wrong for them to put up politicians pay 10568 04:59:31,966 --> 04:59:34,000 them to put up politicians pay if a public sector. Are not you 10569 04:59:34,000 --> 04:59:35,800 if a public sector. Are not you know are not going up at the 10570 04:59:35,800 --> 04:59:36,400 know are not going up at the same time and you know I think 10571 04:59:36,400 --> 04:59:37,966 same time and you know I think that’s I think that’s placing 10572 04:59:37,966 --> 04:59:38,833 that’s I think that’s placing the obvious that politicians 10573 04:59:38,833 --> 04:59:40,699 the obvious that politicians should be in line with public 10574 04:59:40,699 --> 04:59:41,734 should be in line with public sector workers, New research 10575 04:59:41,734 --> 04:59:44,333 sector workers, New research shows most people who contract 10576 04:59:44,333 --> 04:59:45,966 shows most people who contract Corona virus are unlikely to 10577 04:59:45,966 --> 04:59:47,366 Corona virus are unlikely to get it again for at least 6 10578 04:59:47,366 --> 04:59:49,266 get it again for at least 6 months, a study involving 10579 04:59:49,266 --> 04:59:50,099 months, a study involving Oxford University looked at 10580 04:59:50,099 --> 04:59:51,634 Oxford University looked at more than 12000 health workers 10581 04:59:51,634 --> 04:59:53,634 more than 12000 health workers between April and November. 10582 04:59:53,634 --> 04:59:54,733 between April and November. Those involved. that’s good 10583 04:59:54,733 --> 04:59:56,434 Those involved. that’s good news that reelection is very 10584 04:59:56,434 --> 04:59:57,634 news that reelection is very unlikely in the short term, 10585 04:59:57,634 --> 04:59:59,034 unlikely in the short term, and, according to a new report 10586 04:59:59,034 --> 05:00:00,400 and, according to a new report published on equal payday 10587 05:00:00,400 --> 05:00:02,099 published on equal payday Corona virus has had a 10588 05:00:02,099 --> 05:00:03,466 Corona virus has had a disproportionate impact. On 10589 05:00:03,466 --> 05:00:04,833 disproportionate impact. On women the Force Society found 10590 05:00:04,833 --> 05:00:05,966 women the Force Society found that nearly half of working 10591 05:00:05,966 --> 05:00:07,466 that nearly half of working women are worried about job 10592 05:00:07,466 --> 05:00:09,034 women are worried about job promotion and one in three 10593 05:00:09,034 --> 05:00:09,966 promotion and one in three working mothers have lost work 10594 05:00:09,966 --> 05:00:12,500 working mothers have lost work or hours due to child care and 10595 05:00:12,500 --> 05:00:13,766 or hours due to child care and also suggest British women are 10596 05:00:13,766 --> 05:00:15,800 also suggest British women are at a Corona virus Crossroads in 10597 05:00:15,800 --> 05:00:17,034 at a Corona virus Crossroads in the fight for workplace 10598 05:00:17,034 --> 05:00:18,799 the fight for workplace equality and the impact of the 10599 05:00:18,799 --> 05:00:20,699 equality and the impact of the pandemic could reverse decades 10600 05:00:20,699 --> 05:00:21,966 pandemic could reverse decades of progress and looking at the 10601 05:00:21,966 --> 05:00:23,634 of progress and looking at the weather bright but breezy for 10602 05:00:23,634 --> 05:00:24,833 weather bright but breezy for most of the UK today outbreaks 10603 05:00:24,833 --> 05:00:26,434 most of the UK today outbreaks of rain in the west that will 10604 05:00:26,434 --> 05:00:29,200 of rain in the west that will move gradually but dry by this 10605 05:00:29,200 --> 05:00:31,200 move gradually but dry by this evening Saturday afternoons 10606 05:00:31,200 --> 05:00:34,434 evening Saturday afternoons from one on. Hello, this is Bob 10607 05:00:34,434 --> 05:00:36,333 from one on. Hello, this is Bob Mills. Join me this Saturday 10608 05:00:36,333 --> 05:00:37,734 Mills. Join me this Saturday afternoon on Talk radio from 1 10609 05:00:37,734 --> 05:00:38,600 afternoon on Talk radio from 1 o’clock who we got this week, 10610 05:00:38,600 --> 05:00:41,899 o’clock who we got this week, Nick and speak winner on the 10611 05:00:41,899 --> 05:00:43,466 Nick and speak winner on the show comedian Laura Jay from 10612 05:00:43,466 --> 05:00:45,767 show comedian Laura Jay from Britain’s Got Talent 10613 05:00:45,767 --> 05:00:46,434 Britain’s Got Talent literature. What about David 10614 05:00:46,434 --> 05:00:48,733 literature. What about David one of the leading American 10615 05:00:48,733 --> 05:00:51,899 one of the leading American novelist music collaborate and 10616 05:00:51,899 --> 05:00:53,966 novelist music collaborate and also my very special guest. 10617 05:00:53,966 --> 05:00:56,434 also my very special guest. Michael Parkinson, Bob Mills 10618 05:00:56,434 --> 05:00:58,799 Michael Parkinson, Bob Mills Saturday afternoons from one on 10619 05:00:58,799 --> 05:01:02,600 Saturday afternoons from one on Corp radio. Mid morning with 10620 05:01:02,600 --> 05:01:04,799 Corp radio. Mid morning with Mike Graham talk Radio, the 10621 05:01:04,799 --> 05:01:07,233 Mike Graham talk Radio, the Independent Republic of Mike 10622 05:01:07,233 --> 05:01:09,267 Independent Republic of Mike Graham on Radio Welcome back to 10623 05:01:09,267 --> 05:01:10,334 Graham on Radio Welcome back to the Independent Republic of 10624 05:01:10,334 --> 05:01:12,434 the Independent Republic of Mike Graham, right here on Talk 10625 05:01:12,434 --> 05:01:13,034 Mike Graham, right here on Talk Radio. We’re gonna take loads 10626 05:01:13,034 --> 05:01:14,301 Radio. We’re gonna take loads more of your calls very shortly 10627 05:01:14,301 --> 05:01:15,733 more of your calls very shortly because of course we wanna hear 10628 05:01:15,733 --> 05:01:16,833 because of course we wanna hear from you. We wanna know what 10629 05:01:16,833 --> 05:01:17,967 from you. We wanna know what you’re doing what’s going on 10630 05:01:17,967 --> 05:01:18,666 you’re doing what’s going on out there. We’re in the third 10631 05:01:18,666 --> 05:01:20,533 out there. We’re in the third week of this lockdown uh some 10632 05:01:20,533 --> 05:01:22,233 week of this lockdown uh some people would say not much of a 10633 05:01:22,233 --> 05:01:25,100 people would say not much of a lockdown at all 03491 thousand. 10634 05:01:25,100 --> 05:01:26,600 lockdown at all 03491 thousand. Let’s talk to Kevin Sullivan uh 10635 05:01:26,600 --> 05:01:28,767 Let’s talk to Kevin Sullivan uh our very own uh presenter of 10636 05:01:28,767 --> 05:01:29,767 our very own uh presenter of the tonight from 7 o’clock 10637 05:01:29,767 --> 05:01:31,599 the tonight from 7 o’clock right here on talk radio and 10638 05:01:31,599 --> 05:01:32,933 right here on talk radio and Two big shows at the weekend as 10639 05:01:32,933 --> 05:01:34,467 Two big shows at the weekend as well, having very good morning 10640 05:01:34,467 --> 05:01:35,933 well, having very good morning to you. Hello mate. So um you 10641 05:01:35,933 --> 05:01:37,334 to you. Hello mate. So um you know another weekend looms 10642 05:01:37,334 --> 05:01:39,533 know another weekend looms another weekend of when I ask 10643 05:01:39,533 --> 05:01:40,367 another weekend of when I ask you what are you gonna be 10644 05:01:40,367 --> 05:01:43,267 you what are you gonna be doing? uh you’re probably gonna 10645 05:01:43,267 --> 05:01:45,300 doing? uh you’re probably gonna say not very much well. uh no 10646 05:01:45,300 --> 05:01:47,299 say not very much well. uh no because uh I’m in locked down. 10647 05:01:47,299 --> 05:01:48,966 because uh I’m in locked down. Yeah. I know what those why I 10648 05:01:48,966 --> 05:01:50,434 Yeah. I know what those why I want to know why we’re in the 10649 05:01:50,434 --> 05:01:52,967 want to know why we’re in the Northern Island is extending 10650 05:01:52,967 --> 05:01:55,267 Northern Island is extending its lock down uh whales now 10651 05:01:55,267 --> 05:01:56,133 its lock down uh whales now knows that it’s locked down 10652 05:01:56,133 --> 05:01:58,334 knows that it’s locked down didn’t work. Yeah, We know our 10653 05:01:58,334 --> 05:01:59,734 didn’t work. Yeah, We know our first lock down the one that 10654 05:01:59,734 --> 05:02:01,267 first lock down the one that went on for three and a half 10655 05:02:01,267 --> 05:02:02,999 went on for three and a half months didn’t work because 10656 05:02:02,999 --> 05:02:04,766 months didn’t work because otherwise, why would we need? 10657 05:02:04,766 --> 05:02:07,299 otherwise, why would we need? Other one and more of them over 10658 05:02:07,299 --> 05:02:10,301 Other one and more of them over Christmas uh and yet all our 10659 05:02:10,301 --> 05:02:12,733 Christmas uh and yet all our politicians can come up with is 10660 05:02:12,733 --> 05:02:15,267 politicians can come up with is oh more lock down. Yeah. I mean 10661 05:02:15,267 --> 05:02:17,867 oh more lock down. Yeah. I mean it’s like we are trapped as I 10662 05:02:17,867 --> 05:02:19,567 it’s like we are trapped as I keep saying in a vortex of 10663 05:02:19,567 --> 05:02:21,800 keep saying in a vortex of utter madness. Yes, indeed, but 10664 05:02:21,800 --> 05:02:23,399 utter madness. Yes, indeed, but whatever happened as well to 10665 05:02:23,399 --> 05:02:24,467 whatever happened as well to common sense, you know you and 10666 05:02:24,467 --> 05:02:25,733 common sense, you know you and I talk about it all the time 10667 05:02:25,733 --> 05:02:26,533 I talk about it all the time people listen to this radio 10668 05:02:26,533 --> 05:02:28,233 people listen to this radio station because we’re 10669 05:02:28,233 --> 05:02:29,300 station because we’re overflowing with it, but I was 10670 05:02:29,300 --> 05:02:31,667 overflowing with it, but I was talking uh to an expert this uh 10671 05:02:31,667 --> 05:02:32,900 talking uh to an expert this uh who I don’t know whether you’ve 10672 05:02:32,900 --> 05:02:34,299 who I don’t know whether you’ve had on your show um who adopts 10673 05:02:34,299 --> 05:02:35,634 had on your show um who adopts Claire Craig, who who was 10674 05:02:35,634 --> 05:02:36,800 Claire Craig, who who was saying. Look you is not a 10675 05:02:36,800 --> 05:02:38,000 saying. Look you is not a pandemic. There is absolutely 10676 05:02:38,000 --> 05:02:39,599 pandemic. There is absolutely no reason to even be in a lock 10677 05:02:39,599 --> 05:02:41,267 no reason to even be in a lock down. They’ve gotta start 10678 05:02:41,267 --> 05:02:42,334 down. They’ve gotta start listening and looking at the 10679 05:02:42,334 --> 05:02:43,434 listening and looking at the figures and the data 10680 05:02:43,434 --> 05:02:44,999 figures and the data differently simply and purely 10681 05:02:44,999 --> 05:02:46,299 differently simply and purely because the death rates are not 10682 05:02:46,299 --> 05:02:47,533 because the death rates are not what they say they are the 10683 05:02:47,533 --> 05:02:48,767 what they say they are the infection rates are not what 10684 05:02:48,767 --> 05:02:50,267 infection rates are not what they say they are even Matt 10685 05:02:50,267 --> 05:02:51,500 they say they are even Matt Hancock today is admitting that 10686 05:02:51,500 --> 05:02:53,034 Hancock today is admitting that you know the infection rates 10687 05:02:53,034 --> 05:02:54,334 you know the infection rates seems to be flattening out and 10688 05:02:54,334 --> 05:02:56,533 seems to be flattening out and yet you know here we are now 10689 05:02:56,533 --> 05:02:57,234 yet you know here we are now being being told, example that 10690 05:02:57,234 --> 05:03:00,767 being being told, example that you can’t drive from 10691 05:03:00,767 --> 05:03:01,899 you can’t drive from Northumberland into Scotland, I 10692 05:03:01,899 --> 05:03:03,500 Northumberland into Scotland, I mean unbelievable Scotland is 10693 05:03:03,500 --> 05:03:06,099 mean unbelievable Scotland is now the forbidden territory. 10694 05:03:06,099 --> 05:03:08,267 now the forbidden territory. Yeah uh in the latest I mean 10695 05:03:08,267 --> 05:03:08,934 Yeah uh in the latest I mean how you gonna stop you. I mean, 10696 05:03:08,934 --> 05:03:09,967 how you gonna stop you. I mean, are they really gonna have 10697 05:03:09,967 --> 05:03:11,966 are they really gonna have armed guards on the borders. I 10698 05:03:11,966 --> 05:03:14,301 armed guards on the borders. I mean in the. I think the 10699 05:03:14,301 --> 05:03:14,900 mean in the. I think the practicality of how they stop 10700 05:03:14,900 --> 05:03:16,000 practicality of how they stop them is less important than 10701 05:03:16,000 --> 05:03:18,733 them is less important than than they’ve actually brought 10702 05:03:18,733 --> 05:03:20,867 than they’ve actually brought in this extraordinary dictate. 10703 05:03:20,867 --> 05:03:22,233 in this extraordinary dictate. What on earth are these people 10704 05:03:22,233 --> 05:03:23,167 What on earth are these people think they’re doing and doctor 10705 05:03:23,167 --> 05:03:25,567 think they’re doing and doctor Claire on your on your show uh 10706 05:03:25,567 --> 05:03:27,733 Claire on your on your show uh is indicative of what we all 10707 05:03:27,733 --> 05:03:29,599 is indicative of what we all have to gather around. We are 10708 05:03:29,599 --> 05:03:32,133 have to gather around. We are being by the central narrative 10709 05:03:32,133 --> 05:03:33,500 being by the central narrative that somehow other we are 10710 05:03:33,500 --> 05:03:35,800 that somehow other we are dealing with the bubonic plague 10711 05:03:35,800 --> 05:03:38,467 dealing with the bubonic plague a killer terrifying pandemic. 10712 05:03:38,467 --> 05:03:40,000 a killer terrifying pandemic. Sure some people are dying from 10713 05:03:40,000 --> 05:03:42,799 Sure some people are dying from it that is tragic uh. Sure, 10714 05:03:42,799 --> 05:03:44,334 it that is tragic uh. Sure, some people are catching it, 10715 05:03:44,334 --> 05:03:46,399 some people are catching it, but on the grand scale of 10716 05:03:46,399 --> 05:03:49,300 but on the grand scale of things, this is this is not a 10717 05:03:49,300 --> 05:03:51,067 things, this is this is not a terrifying killer pandemic and 10718 05:03:51,067 --> 05:03:52,533 terrifying killer pandemic and we have to start questioning 10719 05:03:52,533 --> 05:03:54,300 we have to start questioning the government’s central 10720 05:03:54,300 --> 05:03:56,267 the government’s central narrative this uh Corona virus 10721 05:03:56,267 --> 05:03:59,800 narrative this uh Corona virus is not serious enough uh for 10722 05:03:59,800 --> 05:04:01,299 is not serious enough uh for them to be doing what they’re 10723 05:04:01,299 --> 05:04:02,834 them to be doing what they’re doing to this nation and that 10724 05:04:02,834 --> 05:04:05,634 doing to this nation and that namely is utterly destroying it 10725 05:04:05,634 --> 05:04:06,800 namely is utterly destroying it well. they really are because 10726 05:04:06,800 --> 05:04:07,967 well. they really are because you look around. I mean people 10727 05:04:07,967 --> 05:04:09,467 you look around. I mean people have been sending me uh bits of 10728 05:04:09,467 --> 05:04:10,233 have been sending me uh bits of information throughout the 10729 05:04:10,233 --> 05:04:11,300 information throughout the courses they Burlington Arcade, 10730 05:04:11,300 --> 05:04:11,966 courses they Burlington Arcade, a place that you’ll know as 10731 05:04:11,966 --> 05:04:13,434 a place that you’ll know as well as I. I haven’t been there 10732 05:04:13,434 --> 05:04:14,800 well as I. I haven’t been there for a long time, but it sort of 10733 05:04:14,800 --> 05:04:16,700 for a long time, but it sort of runs just off of Region Street, 10734 05:04:16,700 --> 05:04:17,767 runs just off of Region Street, apparently almost all the shops 10735 05:04:17,767 --> 05:04:19,933 apparently almost all the shops in there now have shut down 10736 05:04:19,933 --> 05:04:21,233 in there now have shut down forever. They’re not reopening. 10737 05:04:21,233 --> 05:04:22,933 forever. They’re not reopening. They’re not massing themselves. 10738 05:04:22,933 --> 05:04:24,599 They’re not massing themselves. They’re not coming back in the 10739 05:04:24,599 --> 05:04:26,300 They’re not coming back in the new year. They’re they’re gone. 10740 05:04:26,300 --> 05:04:27,967 new year. They’re they’re gone. They’re finished. Yeah. It’s 10741 05:04:27,967 --> 05:04:30,299 They’re finished. Yeah. It’s it’s heartbreaking. I mean so 10742 05:04:30,299 --> 05:04:32,800 it’s heartbreaking. I mean so many small businesses and big 10743 05:04:32,800 --> 05:04:34,499 many small businesses and big businesses are going bust 10744 05:04:34,499 --> 05:04:36,800 businesses are going bust because of this insanity we’ve 10745 05:04:36,800 --> 05:04:38,800 because of this insanity we’ve got to beat the Corona virus 10746 05:04:38,800 --> 05:04:40,733 got to beat the Corona virus coveted zero. You’re never 10747 05:04:40,733 --> 05:04:42,800 coveted zero. You’re never gonna get coveted zero. uh this 10748 05:04:42,800 --> 05:04:45,100 gonna get coveted zero. uh this is going to be an annual 10749 05:04:45,100 --> 05:04:45,700 is going to be an annual condition. We’re gonna have to 10750 05:04:45,700 --> 05:04:48,334 condition. We’re gonna have to deal with this every. Just like 10751 05:04:48,334 --> 05:04:51,299 deal with this every. Just like we do flu and colds get used to 10752 05:04:51,299 --> 05:04:52,766 we do flu and colds get used to it. stop fighting something you 10753 05:04:52,766 --> 05:04:55,434 it. stop fighting something you cannot beat and stop destroying 10754 05:04:55,434 --> 05:04:56,999 cannot beat and stop destroying the economy stop destroying 10755 05:04:56,999 --> 05:04:59,300 the economy stop destroying millions of lives. stop 10756 05:04:59,300 --> 05:05:00,967 millions of lives. stop destroying livelihoods. You are 10757 05:05:00,967 --> 05:05:03,301 destroying livelihoods. You are wrecking Great Britain and that 10758 05:05:03,301 --> 05:05:05,900 wrecking Great Britain and that is a clear and present tragedy. 10759 05:05:05,900 --> 05:05:07,100 is a clear and present tragedy. It really is, but, of course, 10760 05:05:07,100 --> 05:05:07,867 It really is, but, of course, don’t worry because soon will 10761 05:05:07,867 --> 05:05:09,234 don’t worry because soon will have more uh vaccines you can 10762 05:05:09,234 --> 05:05:11,300 have more uh vaccines you can shake a stick uh that you can 10763 05:05:11,300 --> 05:05:11,966 shake a stick uh that you can take your pick from you’ll be 10764 05:05:11,966 --> 05:05:12,967 take your pick from you’ll be able to go into your local 10765 05:05:12,967 --> 05:05:14,733 able to go into your local vaccine shop and pick which one 10766 05:05:14,733 --> 05:05:18,000 vaccine shop and pick which one you want. I guess the vaccine 10767 05:05:18,000 --> 05:05:20,533 you want. I guess the vaccine if it if it ever comes and if 10768 05:05:20,533 --> 05:05:21,967 if it if it ever comes and if it is effective if it gets us 10769 05:05:21,967 --> 05:05:26,267 it is effective if it gets us out of this mess somehow then 10770 05:05:26,267 --> 05:05:27,567 out of this mess somehow then great. That’s good news uh but 10771 05:05:27,567 --> 05:05:30,301 great. That’s good news uh but I’m not betting the farm on 10772 05:05:30,301 --> 05:05:32,267 I’m not betting the farm on that will be tomorrow. I think 10773 05:05:32,267 --> 05:05:33,767 that will be tomorrow. I think we’ve got several months before 10774 05:05:33,767 --> 05:05:35,500 we’ve got several months before we see anything uh applications 10775 05:05:35,500 --> 05:05:37,800 we see anything uh applications in terms of vaccines uh even if 10776 05:05:37,800 --> 05:05:38,766 in terms of vaccines uh even if they do work properly. So I 10777 05:05:38,766 --> 05:05:41,767 they do work properly. So I think as a hysteria around 10778 05:05:41,767 --> 05:05:42,967 think as a hysteria around vaccines, we ought to be rather 10779 05:05:42,967 --> 05:05:44,867 vaccines, we ought to be rather careful. I think as your 10780 05:05:44,867 --> 05:05:46,233 careful. I think as your doctor, Claire said earlier, uh 10781 05:05:46,233 --> 05:05:48,967 doctor, Claire said earlier, uh the the point is we are uh 10782 05:05:48,967 --> 05:05:51,234 the the point is we are uh being told this this is the of 10783 05:05:51,234 --> 05:05:53,833 being told this this is the of this pandemic. Well, a lot of 10784 05:05:53,833 --> 05:05:54,733 this pandemic. Well, a lot of doctors think no no no. This is 10785 05:05:54,733 --> 05:05:56,834 doctors think no no no. This is the end we’re in the end game 10786 05:05:56,834 --> 05:06:00,267 the end we’re in the end game This is going down now uh and 10787 05:06:00,267 --> 05:06:01,867 This is going down now uh and nothing we ever did ever 10788 05:06:01,867 --> 05:06:04,267 nothing we ever did ever stopped it lock downs do not 10789 05:06:04,267 --> 05:06:05,867 stopped it lock downs do not work. It is clear uh so why 10790 05:06:05,867 --> 05:06:07,300 work. It is clear uh so why they keep imposing them on us. 10791 05:06:07,300 --> 05:06:08,767 they keep imposing them on us. Uh is beyond me. I don’t know 10792 05:06:08,767 --> 05:06:09,967 Uh is beyond me. I don’t know about about you. Mike exactly 10793 05:06:09,967 --> 05:06:10,633 about about you. Mike exactly right, it doesn’t make any 10794 05:06:10,633 --> 05:06:12,467 right, it doesn’t make any sense at all. You’ve got three 10795 05:06:12,467 --> 05:06:13,967 sense at all. You’ve got three big shows once again coming up 10796 05:06:13,967 --> 05:06:15,467 big shows once again coming up uh Friday tonight, 7 o’clock 10797 05:06:15,467 --> 05:06:16,933 uh Friday tonight, 7 o’clock and then the weekends what you 10798 05:06:16,933 --> 05:06:18,500 and then the weekends what you got for us tonight uh well 10799 05:06:18,500 --> 05:06:20,334 got for us tonight uh well tonight. uh we’re gonna be 10800 05:06:20,334 --> 05:06:21,966 tonight. uh we’re gonna be tackling but I wanna ask about 10801 05:06:21,966 --> 05:06:23,533 tackling but I wanna ask about pretty Patel Okay. She’s 10802 05:06:23,533 --> 05:06:24,599 pretty Patel Okay. She’s obviously got a certain style 10803 05:06:24,599 --> 05:06:26,533 obviously got a certain style about her when she’s running in 10804 05:06:26,533 --> 05:06:27,133 about her when she’s running in the home office when she’s 10805 05:06:27,133 --> 05:06:28,933 the home office when she’s dealing with this stuff. And I 10806 05:06:28,933 --> 05:06:31,233 dealing with this stuff. And I over our careers mate, I have 10807 05:06:31,233 --> 05:06:32,767 over our careers mate, I have worked for that some of the 10808 05:06:32,767 --> 05:06:36,267 worked for that some of the most atrocious police uh why 10809 05:06:36,267 --> 05:06:39,299 most atrocious police uh why can’t a boss be tough to talk 10810 05:06:39,299 --> 05:06:40,867 can’t a boss be tough to talk about Pierce Morgan uh well, 10811 05:06:40,867 --> 05:06:42,434 about Pierce Morgan uh well, actually, he wasn’t one of them 10812 05:06:42,434 --> 05:06:44,800 actually, he wasn’t one of them Uh Pierce was not a bully. 10813 05:06:44,800 --> 05:06:47,200 Uh Pierce was not a bully. That’s no, he wasn’t, I said. 10814 05:06:47,200 --> 05:06:48,334 That’s no, he wasn’t, I said. You’re not a bully enough. uh 10815 05:06:48,334 --> 05:06:50,000 You’re not a bully enough. uh now these bullies that I work 10816 05:06:50,000 --> 05:06:52,301 now these bullies that I work for and you’ve worked for they 10817 05:06:52,301 --> 05:06:53,966 for and you’ve worked for they were incredibly effective. They 10818 05:06:53,966 --> 05:06:57,967 were incredibly effective. They were very productive bosses. 10819 05:06:57,967 --> 05:06:59,634 were very productive bosses. There’s a nice uh surrounding 10820 05:06:59,634 --> 05:07:02,533 There’s a nice uh surrounding this kind of plait that oh nice 10821 05:07:02,533 --> 05:07:05,800 this kind of plait that oh nice bosses have produced. Staff 10822 05:07:05,800 --> 05:07:08,334 bosses have produced. Staff Happy staff are productive uh 10823 05:07:08,334 --> 05:07:09,367 Happy staff are productive uh well, I’ll tell you something 10824 05:07:09,367 --> 05:07:12,334 well, I’ll tell you something else really nasty bosses are 10825 05:07:12,334 --> 05:07:14,234 else really nasty bosses are very productive as well. So I’m 10826 05:07:14,234 --> 05:07:16,399 very productive as well. So I’m not I’m sure Patel was never 10827 05:07:16,399 --> 05:07:18,133 not I’m sure Patel was never really nasty, but I wanna ask 10828 05:07:18,133 --> 05:07:20,399 really nasty, but I wanna ask the question Why can’t a boss 10829 05:07:20,399 --> 05:07:22,666 the question Why can’t a boss be tough? Why do staff have to 10830 05:07:22,666 --> 05:07:24,800 be tough? Why do staff have to be happy? Why does staff have 10831 05:07:24,800 --> 05:07:26,399 be happy? Why does staff have to love their bosses? Well? I 10832 05:07:26,399 --> 05:07:27,733 to love their bosses? Well? I have my career well they don’t 10833 05:07:27,733 --> 05:07:29,034 have my career well they don’t have to, but the point is also 10834 05:07:29,034 --> 05:07:31,299 have to, but the point is also we were kinda prejudging this 10835 05:07:31,299 --> 05:07:32,101 we were kinda prejudging this particular report without 10836 05:07:32,101 --> 05:07:32,867 particular report without having seen it, but isn’t it 10837 05:07:32,867 --> 05:07:35,300 having seen it, but isn’t it ironic that there? Itself was 10838 05:07:35,300 --> 05:07:35,900 ironic that there? Itself was leaked, which was part of the 10839 05:07:35,900 --> 05:07:37,333 leaked, which was part of the reason there was a problem in 10840 05:07:37,333 --> 05:07:38,767 reason there was a problem in the first place uh because all 10841 05:07:38,767 --> 05:07:39,967 the first place uh because all of these home office mandarins 10842 05:07:39,967 --> 05:07:41,966 of these home office mandarins were paid a bucket load more 10843 05:07:41,966 --> 05:07:43,299 were paid a bucket load more money than their boss uh in 10844 05:07:43,299 --> 05:07:44,999 money than their boss uh in order to do their jobs didn’t 10845 05:07:44,999 --> 05:07:46,667 order to do their jobs didn’t wanna do them. Yeah Well, it 10846 05:07:46,667 --> 05:07:47,900 wanna do them. Yeah Well, it was one of the one of the 10847 05:07:47,900 --> 05:07:49,967 was one of the one of the madness is of Dominic Cummings, 10848 05:07:49,967 --> 05:07:51,467 madness is of Dominic Cummings, who by the way I don’t think 10849 05:07:51,467 --> 05:07:52,066 who by the way I don’t think should have gone. I’m a 10850 05:07:52,066 --> 05:07:54,000 should have gone. I’m a supporter of Dominic Cummings, 10851 05:07:54,000 --> 05:07:56,867 supporter of Dominic Cummings, but one of his madness is was 10852 05:07:56,867 --> 05:07:59,267 but one of his madness is was his fantasy that he could plug 10853 05:07:59,267 --> 05:08:00,767 his fantasy that he could plug all the leaks coming out of 10854 05:08:00,767 --> 05:08:02,000 all the leaks coming out of government and out of white 10855 05:08:02,000 --> 05:08:04,199 government and out of white hole. Yeah, good luck with that 10856 05:08:04,199 --> 05:08:08,599 hole. Yeah, good luck with that ever and evermore will be so. 10857 05:08:08,599 --> 05:08:10,267 ever and evermore will be so. Like I said, always did 10858 05:08:10,267 --> 05:08:12,267 Like I said, always did absolutely does yeah and what 10859 05:08:12,267 --> 05:08:13,733 absolutely does yeah and what about the new kind of gentler 10860 05:08:13,733 --> 05:08:14,867 about the new kind of gentler kind of uh look that the 10861 05:08:14,867 --> 05:08:15,733 kind of uh look that the government supposed to have. I 10862 05:08:15,733 --> 05:08:17,867 government supposed to have. I was saying uh to Olivia, is it 10863 05:08:17,867 --> 05:08:18,599 was saying uh to Olivia, is it amazing how quickly they come 10864 05:08:18,599 --> 05:08:19,567 amazing how quickly they come up with something and then how 10865 05:08:19,567 --> 05:08:20,900 up with something and then how quickly it’s forgotten. I’ve 10866 05:08:20,900 --> 05:08:22,234 quickly it’s forgotten. I’ve already forgotten yesterday’s 10867 05:08:22,234 --> 05:08:24,267 already forgotten yesterday’s kind of super duper cyber 10868 05:08:24,267 --> 05:08:26,399 kind of super duper cyber warfare announcement and even 10869 05:08:26,399 --> 05:08:28,733 warfare announcement and even more forgetful was the previous 10870 05:08:28,733 --> 05:08:30,000 more forgetful was the previous days. Green Industrial 10871 05:08:30,000 --> 05:08:31,434 days. Green Industrial Revolution, which seems to be 10872 05:08:31,434 --> 05:08:32,967 Revolution, which seems to be talking about anymore Well, 10873 05:08:32,967 --> 05:08:34,267 talking about anymore Well, Yeah, that’s because Boris 10874 05:08:34,267 --> 05:08:35,767 Yeah, that’s because Boris suddenly realized. Oh, Oh, I 10875 05:08:35,767 --> 05:08:36,767 suddenly realized. Oh, Oh, I just remembered. I’m supposed 10876 05:08:36,767 --> 05:08:39,667 just remembered. I’m supposed to be a Tory. Oh, we’re gonna 10877 05:08:39,667 --> 05:08:40,999 to be a Tory. Oh, we’re gonna say we’re gonna spend a lot on 10878 05:08:40,999 --> 05:08:42,500 say we’re gonna spend a lot on defense. That’s makes me a 10879 05:08:42,500 --> 05:08:45,767 defense. That’s makes me a conservative. No, it doesn’t. 10880 05:08:45,767 --> 05:08:46,733 conservative. No, it doesn’t. Ridiculous Green Industrial 10881 05:08:46,733 --> 05:08:48,334 Ridiculous Green Industrial Revolution. Why don’t you take 10882 05:08:48,334 --> 05:08:49,733 Revolution. Why don’t you take your Green Industrial 10883 05:08:49,733 --> 05:08:51,334 your Green Industrial Revolution and stick it up your 10884 05:08:51,334 --> 05:08:53,867 Revolution and stick it up your back side because nobody wants 10885 05:08:53,867 --> 05:08:56,533 back side because nobody wants it. Nobody wants it apart from 10886 05:08:56,533 --> 05:08:58,333 it. Nobody wants it apart from you Mad cyclist What bridge 10887 05:08:58,333 --> 05:09:00,466 you Mad cyclist What bridge blockers? Yeah. We’d love for 10888 05:09:00,466 --> 05:09:01,067 blockers? Yeah. We’d love for extinction rebellion Boris 10889 05:09:01,067 --> 05:09:03,267 extinction rebellion Boris Johnson’s policies are 10890 05:09:03,267 --> 05:09:05,234 Johnson’s policies are extinction conservatism. Yes, I 10891 05:09:05,234 --> 05:09:06,599 extinction conservatism. Yes, I just start acting like a 10892 05:09:06,599 --> 05:09:08,533 just start acting like a conservative and stop all this 10893 05:09:08,533 --> 05:09:09,800 conservative and stop all this green rubbish that no one cares 10894 05:09:09,800 --> 05:09:11,234 green rubbish that no one cares about indeed now what about 10895 05:09:11,234 --> 05:09:12,500 about indeed now what about Saturday and Sunday we got for 10896 05:09:12,500 --> 05:09:15,467 Saturday and Sunday we got for us uh well. I’ve got Robinson 10897 05:09:15,467 --> 05:09:16,900 us uh well. I’ve got Robinson coming on from homes under the 10898 05:09:16,900 --> 05:09:18,366 coming on from homes under the hammer because apparently after 10899 05:09:18,366 --> 05:09:21,067 hammer because apparently after 17 years homes under the hammer 10900 05:09:21,067 --> 05:09:23,834 17 years homes under the hammer has suddenly produced this mass 10901 05:09:23,834 --> 05:09:27,233 has suddenly produced this mass of buying houses at auctions. 10902 05:09:27,233 --> 05:09:28,900 of buying houses at auctions. It’s suddenly taken off uh and 10903 05:09:28,900 --> 05:09:30,467 It’s suddenly taken off uh and no one can quite work out why 10904 05:09:30,467 --> 05:09:31,867 no one can quite work out why someone to ask about that? Plus 10905 05:09:31,867 --> 05:09:33,800 someone to ask about that? Plus he was bullied terribly at 10906 05:09:33,800 --> 05:09:34,634 he was bullied terribly at school, so he’s gonna tell us 10907 05:09:34,634 --> 05:09:38,399 school, so he’s gonna tell us all about that and uh and so 10908 05:09:38,399 --> 05:09:40,000 all about that and uh and so fantastic actress is coming on 10909 05:09:40,000 --> 05:09:42,467 fantastic actress is coming on about her latest project uh and 10910 05:09:42,467 --> 05:09:43,967 about her latest project uh and uh over the weekend. Also, I’m 10911 05:09:43,967 --> 05:09:47,867 uh over the weekend. Also, I’m gonna be meeting the uh world’s 10912 05:09:47,867 --> 05:09:48,967 gonna be meeting the uh world’s greatest jigsaw puzzle Turn 10913 05:09:48,967 --> 05:09:51,467 greatest jigsaw puzzle Turn it’s puzzling. Into a cool 10914 05:09:51,467 --> 05:09:53,734 it’s puzzling. Into a cool thing to do he’s got 300000 10915 05:09:53,734 --> 05:09:56,767 thing to do he’s got 300000 followers who watch him uh do 10916 05:09:56,767 --> 05:09:58,367 followers who watch him uh do jigsaw puzzles and we’re gonna 10917 05:09:58,367 --> 05:10:01,034 jigsaw puzzles and we’re gonna meet uh Christine remember the 10918 05:10:01,034 --> 05:10:03,467 meet uh Christine remember the scam that is coming on to talk 10919 05:10:03,467 --> 05:10:05,900 scam that is coming on to talk about uh the wrongness of of 10920 05:10:05,900 --> 05:10:08,834 about uh the wrongness of of her his mom’s for perjury. I 10921 05:10:08,834 --> 05:10:11,399 her his mom’s for perjury. I think Kristen was a very wrong 10922 05:10:11,399 --> 05:10:12,967 think Kristen was a very wrong woman. Yes uh and I’ve always 10923 05:10:12,967 --> 05:10:14,334 woman. Yes uh and I’ve always had my doubts about the 10924 05:10:14,334 --> 05:10:15,767 had my doubts about the scandal. It didn’t really need 10925 05:10:15,767 --> 05:10:17,900 scandal. It didn’t really need to go into the papers. Uh the 10926 05:10:17,900 --> 05:10:19,434 to go into the papers. Uh the papers came up with a good 10927 05:10:19,434 --> 05:10:20,800 papers came up with a good excuse. This is a national 10928 05:10:20,800 --> 05:10:22,167 excuse. This is a national security issue. No, it wasn’t. 10929 05:10:22,167 --> 05:10:23,533 security issue. No, it wasn’t. it was just an excuse to get a 10930 05:10:23,533 --> 05:10:26,867 it was just an excuse to get a lot. Sex Yeah. I’m sure and 10931 05:10:26,867 --> 05:10:28,900 lot. Sex Yeah. I’m sure and also I’ve got no object to 10932 05:10:28,900 --> 05:10:30,767 also I’ve got no object to that. That’s people like people 10933 05:10:30,767 --> 05:10:31,967 that. That’s people like people like Christine Keeler. I’m 10934 05:10:31,967 --> 05:10:33,301 like Christine Keeler. I’m afraid we’re probably more 10935 05:10:33,301 --> 05:10:34,133 afraid we’re probably more likely to be the victims of 10936 05:10:34,133 --> 05:10:35,833 likely to be the victims of some of the people that very 10937 05:10:35,833 --> 05:10:37,933 some of the people that very much very much very much, but 10938 05:10:37,933 --> 05:10:38,999 much very much very much, but listen II should be listening 10939 05:10:38,999 --> 05:10:40,233 listen II should be listening intently as ever because I’d 10940 05:10:40,233 --> 05:10:41,500 intently as ever because I’d love to get a few tips on how 10941 05:10:41,500 --> 05:10:42,800 love to get a few tips on how you do a jigsaw puzzle cuz 10942 05:10:42,800 --> 05:10:43,933 you do a jigsaw puzzle cuz every time I’ve ever tried to 10943 05:10:43,933 --> 05:10:45,334 every time I’ve ever tried to do one I end up throwing it 10944 05:10:45,334 --> 05:10:46,000 do one I end up throwing it across the room after about 10945 05:10:46,000 --> 05:10:48,000 across the room after about five or 10 minutes cuz I 10946 05:10:48,000 --> 05:10:48,599 five or 10 minutes cuz I haven’t got the patience 10947 05:10:48,599 --> 05:10:49,933 haven’t got the patience unfortunately, but but Kevin 10948 05:10:49,933 --> 05:10:50,800 unfortunately, but but Kevin we’ll see you tonight. 7 10949 05:10:50,800 --> 05:10:51,967 we’ll see you tonight. 7 o’clock Kevin Sullivan, right 10950 05:10:51,967 --> 05:10:53,967 o’clock Kevin Sullivan, right here on Talk Radio and Big 10951 05:10:53,967 --> 05:10:55,034 here on Talk Radio and Big shows at the weekend ten to 10952 05:10:55,034 --> 05:10:56,334 shows at the weekend ten to one, you don’t wanna miss those 10953 05:10:56,334 --> 05:10:57,933 one, you don’t wanna miss those uh the highlights obviously of 10954 05:10:57,933 --> 05:11:00,399 uh the highlights obviously of the weekend here at talk radio 10955 05:11:00,399 --> 05:11:01,634 the weekend here at talk radio coming up. uh we’ll have some 10956 05:11:01,634 --> 05:11:02,799 coming up. uh we’ll have some more highlights for you of your 10957 05:11:02,799 --> 05:11:06,167 more highlights for you of your calls. 034491 thousand uh is 10958 05:11:06,167 --> 05:11:07,300 calls. 034491 thousand uh is the numbers of cooler. 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Be gambling.org. 11096 05:15:27,399 --> 05:15:30,733 Radio The Independent Republic 11097 05:15:30,733 --> 05:15:32,767 Radio The Independent Republic of Mike Graham on Talk Radio 11098 05:15:32,767 --> 05:15:34,234 of Mike Graham on Talk Radio now back at the beginning of 11099 05:15:34,234 --> 05:15:36,533 now back at the beginning of this whole pandemic and the 11100 05:15:36,533 --> 05:15:38,800 this whole pandemic and the first lockdown uh we spoke to 11101 05:15:38,800 --> 05:15:40,434 first lockdown uh we spoke to uh a guy who was doing great 11102 05:15:40,434 --> 05:15:42,000 uh a guy who was doing great work by raising some money for 11103 05:15:42,000 --> 05:15:44,334 work by raising some money for NS charities. Uh he is David 11104 05:15:44,334 --> 05:15:45,967 NS charities. Uh he is David City, vice president of Kindred 11105 05:15:45,967 --> 05:15:47,300 City, vice president of Kindred uh and what they were doing was 11106 05:15:47,300 --> 05:15:49,034 uh and what they were doing was selling some NS remarkable 11107 05:15:49,034 --> 05:15:50,900 selling some NS remarkable t-shirts in which you could you 11108 05:15:50,900 --> 05:15:51,599 t-shirts in which you could you could buy them from them uh and 11109 05:15:51,599 --> 05:15:53,900 could buy them from them uh and then money would go to the NS a 11110 05:15:53,900 --> 05:15:55,667 then money would go to the NS a charity. so uh we got him back 11111 05:15:55,667 --> 05:15:56,900 charity. so uh we got him back again today though, because uh 11112 05:15:56,900 --> 05:15:58,000 again today though, because uh he’s gonna be doing some 11113 05:15:58,000 --> 05:15:59,533 he’s gonna be doing some Christmas jumpers uh 11114 05:15:59,533 --> 05:16:01,067 Christmas jumpers uh thirty-nine sleeps. We’re told 11115 05:16:01,067 --> 05:16:02,467 thirty-nine sleeps. We’re told uh until Christmas now we don’t 11116 05:16:02,467 --> 05:16:03,500 uh until Christmas now we don’t know what we’ll be doing at 11117 05:16:03,500 --> 05:16:05,034 know what we’ll be doing at Christmas yet because uh the 11118 05:16:05,034 --> 05:16:06,467 Christmas yet because uh the government haven’t decided to 11119 05:16:06,467 --> 05:16:08,634 government haven’t decided to tell us but however, uh you can 11120 05:16:08,634 --> 05:16:09,967 tell us but however, uh you can at least uh raise some money uh 11121 05:16:09,967 --> 05:16:11,867 at least uh raise some money uh from kindred uh if you do the 11122 05:16:11,867 --> 05:16:13,900 from kindred uh if you do the right thing. David Very good 11123 05:16:13,900 --> 05:16:15,233 right thing. David Very good morning to you. welcome back 11124 05:16:15,233 --> 05:16:16,299 morning to you. welcome back Mike Good morning. Thank you 11125 05:16:16,299 --> 05:16:17,133 Mike Good morning. Thank you for you for having me. you? 11126 05:16:17,133 --> 05:16:17,967 for you for having me. you? yeah very well. very well. 11127 05:16:17,967 --> 05:16:18,666 yeah very well. very well. Indeed, I mean he some great 11128 05:16:18,666 --> 05:16:19,767 Indeed, I mean he some great stuff. I mean I don’t know if 11129 05:16:19,767 --> 05:16:20,500 stuff. I mean I don’t know if you can tell us how much he 11130 05:16:20,500 --> 05:16:22,333 you can tell us how much he raised for for those NS 11131 05:16:22,333 --> 05:16:23,267 raised for for those NS charities earlier in the year 11132 05:16:23,267 --> 05:16:25,034 charities earlier in the year um but you’re you’re back at it 11133 05:16:25,034 --> 05:16:26,334 um but you’re you’re back at it with some uh Christmas PJs some 11134 05:16:26,334 --> 05:16:28,101 with some uh Christmas PJs some Christmas goodies Christmas 11135 05:16:28,101 --> 05:16:30,434 Christmas goodies Christmas tops. I mean you know what. 11136 05:16:30,434 --> 05:16:31,867 tops. I mean you know what. It’s yeah, it’s pretty crazy. 11137 05:16:31,867 --> 05:16:32,467 It’s yeah, it’s pretty crazy. We’ve raised hundreds of 11138 05:16:32,467 --> 05:16:33,967 We’ve raised hundreds of thousands of pounds We wanna 11139 05:16:33,967 --> 05:16:35,700 thousands of pounds We wanna get well over the uh the 11140 05:16:35,700 --> 05:16:38,666 get well over the uh the 2000000 pound mark um and we I 11141 05:16:38,666 --> 05:16:40,000 2000000 pound mark um and we I think we’re given that the time 11142 05:16:40,000 --> 05:16:40,967 think we’re given that the time of year we thought this would 11143 05:16:40,967 --> 05:16:43,399 of year we thought this would be a fun way to raise money for 11144 05:16:43,399 --> 05:16:44,867 be a fun way to raise money for a great cause. I think at the 11145 05:16:44,867 --> 05:16:46,667 a great cause. I think at the moment a lot of us have been 11146 05:16:46,667 --> 05:16:48,234 moment a lot of us have been touched by uh in one way or 11147 05:16:48,234 --> 05:16:50,000 touched by uh in one way or another uh how the NS have 11148 05:16:50,000 --> 05:16:51,599 another uh how the NS have helped them not just through 11149 05:16:51,599 --> 05:16:53,100 helped them not just through the pandemic but through so 11150 05:16:53,100 --> 05:16:55,467 the pandemic but through so many other uh means in which 11151 05:16:55,467 --> 05:16:57,167 many other uh means in which people have been um suffering 11152 05:16:57,167 --> 05:16:58,133 people have been um suffering through mental health and other 11153 05:16:58,133 --> 05:16:59,967 through mental health and other issues and I think. We want to 11154 05:16:59,967 --> 05:17:02,334 issues and I think. We want to do is continue this campaign 11155 05:17:02,334 --> 05:17:04,800 do is continue this campaign and help support them uh in 11156 05:17:04,800 --> 05:17:05,567 and help support them uh in particular this time of year 11157 05:17:05,567 --> 05:17:07,967 particular this time of year and so we’ve created this 11158 05:17:07,967 --> 05:17:09,167 and so we’ve created this wonderful Christmas campaign 11159 05:17:09,167 --> 05:17:11,299 wonderful Christmas campaign with jumpers and hoodies and 11160 05:17:11,299 --> 05:17:14,300 with jumpers and hoodies and baby grows and space covers and 11161 05:17:14,300 --> 05:17:15,800 baby grows and space covers and onesies um uh and I guess it 11162 05:17:15,800 --> 05:17:17,567 onesies um uh and I guess it allows people to have a bit of 11163 05:17:17,567 --> 05:17:19,299 allows people to have a bit of fun, friends and family with 11164 05:17:19,299 --> 05:17:20,133 fun, friends and family with these, but at the same point, 11165 05:17:20,133 --> 05:17:21,567 these, but at the same point, what they’re also doing is 11166 05:17:21,567 --> 05:17:24,767 what they’re also doing is helping such a vital cause um 11167 05:17:24,767 --> 05:17:26,467 helping such a vital cause um and of course, you know all the 11168 05:17:26,467 --> 05:17:27,767 and of course, you know all the proceeds of this will go to the 11169 05:17:27,767 --> 05:17:29,533 proceeds of this will go to the NS charities together helping 11170 05:17:29,533 --> 05:17:31,800 NS charities together helping with the pioneering research 11171 05:17:31,800 --> 05:17:33,599 with the pioneering research and medical equipment there 11172 05:17:33,599 --> 05:17:35,366 and medical equipment there they’re they’re supplying the. 11173 05:17:35,366 --> 05:17:37,067 they’re they’re supplying the. A number of these hospitals 11174 05:17:37,067 --> 05:17:38,399 A number of these hospitals absolutely, I was hoping you 11175 05:17:38,399 --> 05:17:39,766 absolutely, I was hoping you might be in a sort of Christmas 11176 05:17:39,766 --> 05:17:40,900 might be in a sort of Christmas onesie for us, but I mean I’m 11177 05:17:40,900 --> 05:17:42,534 onesie for us, but I mean I’m not I’m not gonna push you on 11178 05:17:42,534 --> 05:17:44,800 not I’m not gonna push you on that but mine are orders minor 11179 05:17:44,800 --> 05:17:45,767 that but mine are orders minor orders that I have. I have got 11180 05:17:45,767 --> 05:17:47,967 orders that I have. I have got them. I’m waiting for my my uh 11181 05:17:47,967 --> 05:17:49,267 them. I’m waiting for my my uh my my. My kids ones are 11182 05:17:49,267 --> 05:17:51,267 my my. My kids ones are arriving very shortly. Okay. 11183 05:17:51,267 --> 05:17:53,199 arriving very shortly. Okay. Yeah. So where can people go to 11184 05:17:53,199 --> 05:17:55,299 Yeah. So where can people go to get them? please uh they can go 11185 05:17:55,299 --> 05:17:58,334 get them? please uh they can go to be kind be kindred.com 11186 05:17:58,334 --> 05:18:00,900 to be kind be kindred.com www.be kind be kind.com um and 11187 05:18:00,900 --> 05:18:02,467 www.be kind be kind.com um and all we ask is you know, wear 11188 05:18:02,467 --> 05:18:04,133 all we ask is you know, wear them with pride. Um you know 11189 05:18:04,133 --> 05:18:06,867 them with pride. Um you know every single. Will make a huge 11190 05:18:06,867 --> 05:18:09,567 every single. Will make a huge difference to uh all the causes 11191 05:18:09,567 --> 05:18:10,967 difference to uh all the causes that they support including 11192 05:18:10,967 --> 05:18:13,299 that they support including mental and the ambulance trust 11193 05:18:13,299 --> 05:18:14,867 mental and the ambulance trust in the community health. so 11194 05:18:14,867 --> 05:18:16,899 in the community health. so please wear it with pride and 11195 05:18:16,899 --> 05:18:17,634 please wear it with pride and and they are they’re super cute 11196 05:18:17,634 --> 05:18:19,799 and they are they’re super cute and the baby grows are adorable 11197 05:18:19,799 --> 05:18:22,333 and the baby grows are adorable um so yeah, go to be kind, be 11198 05:18:22,333 --> 05:18:23,800 um so yeah, go to be kind, be kindred.com and grab a. but 11199 05:18:23,800 --> 05:18:25,067 kindred.com and grab a. but it’s also I mean, presumably 11200 05:18:25,067 --> 05:18:25,667 it’s also I mean, presumably you can order them and have 11201 05:18:25,667 --> 05:18:26,634 you can order them and have them sent to other people as 11202 05:18:26,634 --> 05:18:27,967 them sent to other people as well if you’re gonna buy them 11203 05:18:27,967 --> 05:18:29,399 well if you’re gonna buy them as gifts right, that’s right, 11204 05:18:29,399 --> 05:18:30,667 as gifts right, that’s right, they can. yeah what we we’ve 11205 05:18:30,667 --> 05:18:31,967 they can. yeah what we we’ve got. We’re actually about to do 11206 05:18:31,967 --> 05:18:33,599 got. We’re actually about to do hampers so you can buy uh I 11207 05:18:33,599 --> 05:18:35,966 hampers so you can buy uh I think up. 8100 pounds we can 11208 05:18:35,966 --> 05:18:37,500 think up. 8100 pounds we can put together a hamper of all 11209 05:18:37,500 --> 05:18:39,067 put together a hamper of all the goodies that you can send a 11210 05:18:39,067 --> 05:18:41,267 the goodies that you can send a loved one or somebody who’s 11211 05:18:41,267 --> 05:18:43,733 loved one or somebody who’s working at the NS um so 11212 05:18:43,733 --> 05:18:44,467 working at the NS um so absolutely yeah they send it to 11213 05:18:44,467 --> 05:18:46,399 absolutely yeah they send it to to to those that you feel 11214 05:18:46,399 --> 05:18:48,099 to to those that you feel really deserve uh to be sport 11215 05:18:48,099 --> 05:18:50,267 really deserve uh to be sport and treated. Yeah. absolutely. 11216 05:18:50,267 --> 05:18:51,133 and treated. Yeah. absolutely. alright, great stuff That’s be 11217 05:18:51,133 --> 05:18:54,300 alright, great stuff That’s be kind. be kindred.com. David 11218 05:18:54,300 --> 05:18:55,800 kind. be kindred.com. David Thanks very much uh get on that 11219 05:18:55,800 --> 05:18:56,434 Thanks very much uh get on that website and uh get some 11220 05:18:56,434 --> 05:18:57,467 website and uh get some Christmas presents organized 11221 05:18:57,467 --> 05:18:58,733 Christmas presents organized because that’s what we’re all 11222 05:18:58,733 --> 05:19:00,133 because that’s what we’re all gonna be doing very shortly if 11223 05:19:00,133 --> 05:19:00,999 gonna be doing very shortly if you haven’t started doing it 11224 05:19:00,999 --> 05:19:02,000 you haven’t started doing it already uh because as we get 11225 05:19:02,000 --> 05:19:04,301 already uh because as we get closer and closer to December. 11226 05:19:04,301 --> 05:19:05,434 closer and closer to December. December the second in 11227 05:19:05,434 --> 05:19:06,000 December the second in particular, uh obviously there 11228 05:19:06,000 --> 05:19:08,000 particular, uh obviously there are those of us like me who are 11229 05:19:08,000 --> 05:19:08,667 are those of us like me who are keeping their fingers crossed 11230 05:19:08,667 --> 05:19:09,399 keeping their fingers crossed that they’re gonna open 11231 05:19:09,399 --> 05:19:10,800 that they’re gonna open everything up again At least 11232 05:19:10,800 --> 05:19:11,800 everything up again At least the shop is gonna be open uh 11233 05:19:11,800 --> 05:19:12,700 the shop is gonna be open uh and the restaurants and the 11234 05:19:12,700 --> 05:19:13,800 and the restaurants and the bars gonna be open so that 11235 05:19:13,800 --> 05:19:14,800 bars gonna be open so that people can actually make some 11236 05:19:14,800 --> 05:19:16,333 people can actually make some money. It’s not because I wanna 11237 05:19:16,333 --> 05:19:17,267 money. It’s not because I wanna go out for a drink. I can 11238 05:19:17,267 --> 05:19:18,066 go out for a drink. I can always have a drink. It’s not a 11239 05:19:18,066 --> 05:19:19,399 always have a drink. It’s not a problem. I can make myself a 11240 05:19:19,399 --> 05:19:21,299 problem. I can make myself a very nice meal, but it is nice 11241 05:19:21,299 --> 05:19:22,734 very nice meal, but it is nice to be able to support local 11242 05:19:22,734 --> 05:19:24,399 to be able to support local businesses, local restaurants, 11243 05:19:24,399 --> 05:19:25,766 businesses, local restaurants, local bars local pubs because 11244 05:19:25,766 --> 05:19:26,967 local bars local pubs because these people need to make 11245 05:19:26,967 --> 05:19:28,366 these people need to make money. It’s a simple as that 11246 05:19:28,366 --> 05:19:29,500 money. It’s a simple as that now we’re gonna go back to the 11247 05:19:29,500 --> 05:19:30,199 now we’re gonna go back to the calls at the moment, but what I 11248 05:19:30,199 --> 05:19:32,334 calls at the moment, but what I can do is read your statement, 11249 05:19:32,334 --> 05:19:33,567 can do is read your statement, which I’ve just been given, 11250 05:19:33,567 --> 05:19:34,900 which I’ve just been given, which has come from pretty 11251 05:19:34,900 --> 05:19:36,199 which has come from pretty Patel because uh there’s been a 11252 05:19:36,199 --> 05:19:38,200 Patel because uh there’s been a resignation. Uh the person 11253 05:19:38,200 --> 05:19:39,766 resignation. Uh the person who’s in charge of ministerial 11254 05:19:39,766 --> 05:19:41,333 who’s in charge of ministerial conduct apparently is resigned 11255 05:19:41,333 --> 05:19:43,034 conduct apparently is resigned uh from their job as a result 11256 05:19:43,034 --> 05:19:45,333 uh from their job as a result of this leaked report that came 11257 05:19:45,333 --> 05:19:46,800 of this leaked report that came out this morning about the 11258 05:19:46,800 --> 05:19:48,000 out this morning about the bullying, she says. This I am 11259 05:19:48,000 --> 05:19:49,399 bullying, she says. This I am sorry that my behavior in the 11260 05:19:49,399 --> 05:19:50,733 sorry that my behavior in the past is upset people. It has 11261 05:19:50,733 --> 05:19:51,933 past is upset people. It has never been my intention to 11262 05:19:51,933 --> 05:19:53,334 never been my intention to cause upset so anyone I’m very 11263 05:19:53,334 --> 05:19:54,799 cause upset so anyone I’m very grateful for the hard work of 11264 05:19:54,799 --> 05:19:55,867 grateful for the hard work of thousands of civil servants who 11265 05:19:55,867 --> 05:19:57,067 thousands of civil servants who helped to deliver the 11266 05:19:57,067 --> 05:19:58,467 helped to deliver the government’s agenda I care 11267 05:19:58,467 --> 05:19:59,234 government’s agenda I care deeply about delivering on the 11268 05:19:59,234 --> 05:20:01,034 deeply about delivering on the commitments we have made to the 11269 05:20:01,034 --> 05:20:02,334 commitments we have made to the people of this country and I 11270 05:20:02,334 --> 05:20:03,100 people of this country and I acknowledge that I’m direct and 11271 05:20:03,100 --> 05:20:05,100 acknowledge that I’m direct and have AX got frustrated. I would 11272 05:20:05,100 --> 05:20:05,500 have AX got frustrated. I would like to thank the prime 11273 05:20:05,500 --> 05:20:07,167 like to thank the prime Minister for his support, the 11274 05:20:07,167 --> 05:20:08,967 Minister for his support, the permanent Secretary and I are 11275 05:20:08,967 --> 05:20:10,334 permanent Secretary and I are working closely together to 11276 05:20:10,334 --> 05:20:11,100 working closely together to deliver on the vital job. the 11277 05:20:11,100 --> 05:20:13,300 deliver on the vital job. the home office has to do. The 11278 05:20:13,300 --> 05:20:14,467 home office has to do. The country well, country think 11279 05:20:14,467 --> 05:20:15,100 country well, country think that’s fair enough, isn’t it. 11280 05:20:15,100 --> 05:20:17,334 that’s fair enough, isn’t it. Let’s talk to Billy Who’s in 11281 05:20:17,334 --> 05:20:20,799 Let’s talk to Billy Who’s in Coventry? Hello Billy Wow. 11282 05:20:20,799 --> 05:20:21,667 Coventry? Hello Billy Wow. Mike. Yeah. there’s there’s a 11283 05:20:21,667 --> 05:20:23,800 Mike. Yeah. there’s there’s a bit of a shock. Yeah. um 11284 05:20:23,800 --> 05:20:26,467 bit of a shock. Yeah. um there’s I mean literally 11285 05:20:26,467 --> 05:20:28,734 there’s I mean literally straight off the press. Yeah. 11286 05:20:28,734 --> 05:20:30,700 straight off the press. Yeah. absolutely right. What do you 11287 05:20:30,700 --> 05:20:31,300 absolutely right. What do you make of that statement? um 11288 05:20:31,300 --> 05:20:33,567 make of that statement? um well, I tell you what just give 11289 05:20:33,567 --> 05:20:34,999 well, I tell you what just give me a second just for I’d 11290 05:20:34,999 --> 05:20:37,333 me a second just for I’d explain to you the other day. 11291 05:20:37,333 --> 05:20:38,901 explain to you the other day. Mike I’m hoping you possibly 11292 05:20:38,901 --> 05:20:40,666 Mike I’m hoping you possibly got the wrong. I’ve spoke to 11293 05:20:40,666 --> 05:20:42,000 got the wrong. I’ve spoke to you a few times, but I think 11294 05:20:42,000 --> 05:20:43,966 you a few times, but I think you. Got the wrong end of the 11295 05:20:43,966 --> 05:20:45,367 you. Got the wrong end of the stick of what I was saying. I’m 11296 05:20:45,367 --> 05:20:47,800 stick of what I was saying. I’m like II kind of agree with like 11297 05:20:47,800 --> 05:20:50,467 like II kind of agree with like 90.9. 99% of what you’re saying 11298 05:20:50,467 --> 05:20:53,500 90.9. 99% of what you’re saying because you are um just all 11299 05:20:53,500 --> 05:20:55,734 because you are um just all common sense. It’s all 11300 05:20:55,734 --> 05:20:56,234 common sense. It’s all relatively straight forward. 11301 05:20:56,234 --> 05:20:59,367 relatively straight forward. Yeah Um now I spoke to you the 11302 05:20:59,367 --> 05:21:01,634 Yeah Um now I spoke to you the other day and uh it was just 11303 05:21:01,634 --> 05:21:04,000 other day and uh it was just before we and Collins came up. 11304 05:21:04,000 --> 05:21:08,334 before we and Collins came up. Okay. am I such a uh about the 11305 05:21:08,334 --> 05:21:10,999 Okay. am I such a uh about the uh Trans Pacific. Oh yes. I 11306 05:21:10,999 --> 05:21:12,133 uh Trans Pacific. Oh yes. I remember that yeah and you 11307 05:21:12,133 --> 05:21:14,334 remember that yeah and you would say. Well, why would we 11308 05:21:14,334 --> 05:21:17,267 would say. Well, why would we jump out of the EU to go 11309 05:21:17,267 --> 05:21:19,734 jump out of the EU to go straight into the Trump and you 11310 05:21:19,734 --> 05:21:21,434 straight into the Trump and you know my point was well, you 11311 05:21:21,434 --> 05:21:25,034 know my point was well, you know they haven’t got anthem. 11312 05:21:25,034 --> 05:21:26,967 know they haven’t got anthem. They don’t got and you’d say 11313 05:21:26,967 --> 05:21:30,399 They don’t got and you’d say they don’t decide what a law is 11314 05:21:30,399 --> 05:21:32,500 they don’t decide what a law is um which uh I don’t think you 11315 05:21:32,500 --> 05:21:34,533 um which uh I don’t think you kinda grasp at the time. Yeah, 11316 05:21:34,533 --> 05:21:35,367 kinda grasp at the time. Yeah, I know I did, but we talked 11317 05:21:35,367 --> 05:21:37,034 I know I did, but we talked about all that. so let’s talk 11318 05:21:37,034 --> 05:21:39,967 about all that. so let’s talk about pretty Patel. Yeah. okay. 11319 05:21:39,967 --> 05:21:43,533 about pretty Patel. Yeah. okay. So I think she’s absolutely 11320 05:21:43,533 --> 05:21:46,800 So I think she’s absolutely wonderful to be honest um and. 11321 05:21:46,800 --> 05:21:48,567 wonderful to be honest um and. And again, it’s all down for 11322 05:21:48,567 --> 05:21:52,399 And again, it’s all down for the year isn’t it is it She’s 11323 05:21:52,399 --> 05:21:54,000 the year isn’t it is it She’s weak? Well? we’ve you know we 11324 05:21:54,000 --> 05:21:59,334 weak? Well? we’ve you know we just we just want to define our 11325 05:21:59,334 --> 05:22:02,367 just we just want to define our own 11326 05:22:02,934 --> 05:22:06,000 um destiny the English channel 11327 05:22:06,000 --> 05:22:10,301 um destiny the English channel is there for a reason isn’t it? 11328 05:22:10,301 --> 05:22:12,767 is there for a reason isn’t it? And she’s trying her best as 11329 05:22:12,767 --> 05:22:18,466 And she’s trying her best as far as I can see um to stop um 11330 05:22:18,466 --> 05:22:19,834 far as I can see um to stop um people coming into the country 11331 05:22:19,834 --> 05:22:20,800 people coming into the country illegally. Well, she’s trying 11332 05:22:20,800 --> 05:22:22,133 illegally. Well, she’s trying to do an awful lot of stuff 11333 05:22:22,133 --> 05:22:23,967 to do an awful lot of stuff right so she’s trying to do an 11334 05:22:23,967 --> 05:22:25,800 right so she’s trying to do an awful lot of stuff which the 11335 05:22:25,800 --> 05:22:26,467 awful lot of stuff which the home office is currently 11336 05:22:26,467 --> 05:22:27,900 home office is currently studying. I think I don’t think 11337 05:22:27,900 --> 05:22:28,999 studying. I think I don’t think it’s just about the channel. I 11338 05:22:28,999 --> 05:22:30,467 it’s just about the channel. I think it’s about immigration 11339 05:22:30,467 --> 05:22:31,734 think it’s about immigration generally. I think it’s also 11340 05:22:31,734 --> 05:22:33,199 generally. I think it’s also about uh the way the police 11341 05:22:33,199 --> 05:22:34,334 about uh the way the police have run. I think it’s also 11342 05:22:34,334 --> 05:22:35,733 have run. I think it’s also about the way the prison system 11343 05:22:35,733 --> 05:22:36,500 about the way the prison system works. You know there’s a lot 11344 05:22:36,500 --> 05:22:37,767 works. You know there’s a lot of problems in the home office, 11345 05:22:37,767 --> 05:22:39,766 of problems in the home office, which I think stem from the. 11346 05:22:39,766 --> 05:22:45,567 which I think stem from the. The home home Secretary’s don’t 11347 05:22:45,567 --> 05:22:46,867 The home home Secretary’s don’t do their jobs and I’ll tell you 11348 05:22:46,867 --> 05:22:51,067 do their jobs and I’ll tell you exactly where it comes from it 11349 05:22:51,233 --> 05:22:53,267 it’s Tony Blair, you know and 11350 05:22:53,267 --> 05:22:56,800 it’s Tony Blair, you know and unfortunately the home office 11351 05:22:56,800 --> 05:22:58,301 unfortunately the home office that they sit there and try 11352 05:22:58,301 --> 05:22:59,767 that they sit there and try bullying and all the rest of 11353 05:22:59,767 --> 05:23:03,400 bullying and all the rest of it. The bomb line is as far as 11354 05:23:03,400 --> 05:23:04,300 it. The bomb line is as far as I can see pretty to tell who’s 11355 05:23:04,300 --> 05:23:07,333 I can see pretty to tell who’s coming in there and said Look 11356 05:23:07,333 --> 05:23:08,500 coming in there and said Look I’ve been elected. Don’t do 11357 05:23:08,500 --> 05:23:12,299 I’ve been elected. Don’t do your job and they’re like. You 11358 05:23:12,299 --> 05:23:13,399 your job and they’re like. You know they don’t like it. No, 11359 05:23:13,399 --> 05:23:14,733 know they don’t like it. No, they don’t like it and I think 11360 05:23:14,733 --> 05:23:16,000 they don’t like it and I think I think it gives away that they 11361 05:23:16,000 --> 05:23:17,599 I think it gives away that they do not like it gives away the 11362 05:23:17,599 --> 05:23:19,599 do not like it gives away the way. unfortunately that the 11363 05:23:19,599 --> 05:23:20,467 way. unfortunately that the home not on the home office, 11364 05:23:20,467 --> 05:23:21,667 home not on the home office, but an awful lot of the civil 11365 05:23:21,667 --> 05:23:22,867 but an awful lot of the civil service departments have been 11366 05:23:22,867 --> 05:23:24,233 service departments have been run because they’ve become 11367 05:23:24,233 --> 05:23:26,467 run because they’ve become politicized and they I totally 11368 05:23:26,467 --> 05:23:29,334 politicized and they I totally agree. I mean the the you know 11369 05:23:29,334 --> 05:23:31,034 agree. I mean the the you know the bottom line is the civil 11370 05:23:31,034 --> 05:23:34,334 the bottom line is the civil service are supposed to be 11371 05:23:34,334 --> 05:23:36,434 service are supposed to be well. It’s all relatively 11372 05:23:36,434 --> 05:23:37,333 well. It’s all relatively straight forward. isn’t it 11373 05:23:37,333 --> 05:23:39,333 straight forward. isn’t it service They’re supposed to do 11374 05:23:39,333 --> 05:23:44,267 service They’re supposed to do the job. For The people that we 11375 05:23:44,267 --> 05:23:46,634 the job. For The people that we have elected yes, I think I 11376 05:23:46,634 --> 05:23:48,166 have elected yes, I think I mean people like this guy and 11377 05:23:48,166 --> 05:23:49,366 mean people like this guy and people like this guy have 11378 05:23:49,366 --> 05:23:50,500 people like this guy have obviously become too big for 11379 05:23:50,500 --> 05:23:51,933 obviously become too big for their boots. He didn’t like the 11380 05:23:51,933 --> 05:23:53,367 their boots. He didn’t like the idea that he’s being told what 11381 05:23:53,367 --> 05:23:54,833 idea that he’s being told what to do by somebody that he 11382 05:23:54,833 --> 05:23:56,301 to do by somebody that he regards uh as just a kind of 11383 05:23:56,301 --> 05:23:57,700 regards uh as just a kind of someone who’s passing through, 11384 05:23:57,700 --> 05:23:58,800 someone who’s passing through, you know who’s gonna be the 11385 05:23:58,800 --> 05:23:59,967 you know who’s gonna be the home for a while, but we’ll 11386 05:23:59,967 --> 05:24:02,000 home for a while, but we’ll probably move on what he’s 11387 05:24:02,000 --> 05:24:04,634 probably move on what he’s wrong about that. Well, at the 11388 05:24:04,634 --> 05:24:06,766 wrong about that. Well, at the end of the day, you know as 11389 05:24:06,766 --> 05:24:10,533 end of the day, you know as well as I do um. The civil 11390 05:24:10,533 --> 05:24:12,933 well as I do um. The civil service of our inherently 11391 05:24:12,933 --> 05:24:13,834 service of our inherently left-wing well, they are now 11392 05:24:13,834 --> 05:24:14,834 left-wing well, they are now they never used to be. I mean 11393 05:24:14,834 --> 05:24:16,500 they never used to be. I mean that’s you do me a favor of 11394 05:24:16,500 --> 05:24:18,299 that’s you do me a favor of Mike. That’s relatively recent. 11395 05:24:18,299 --> 05:24:21,199 Mike. That’s relatively recent. Yeah will do me a favor. Please 11396 05:24:21,199 --> 05:24:25,034 Yeah will do me a favor. Please yes. grab a copy of the of the 11397 05:24:25,034 --> 05:24:26,567 yes. grab a copy of the of the Guardian and rip it well. I 11398 05:24:26,567 --> 05:24:28,300 Guardian and rip it well. I haven’t got any reason to today 11399 05:24:28,300 --> 05:24:29,367 haven’t got any reason to today um but I’m sure it will happen 11400 05:24:29,367 --> 05:24:30,567 um but I’m sure it will happen one of these days. Thank you 11401 05:24:30,567 --> 05:24:32,467 one of these days. Thank you very much indeed Billy in 11402 05:24:32,467 --> 05:24:34,000 very much indeed Billy in Coventry uh I do occasionally 11403 05:24:34,000 --> 05:24:34,999 Coventry uh I do occasionally rip the guard. you know I have 11404 05:24:34,999 --> 05:24:36,700 rip the guard. you know I have ripped up other newspapers if 11405 05:24:36,700 --> 05:24:37,966 ripped up other newspapers if I’m looking for a couple of ft 11406 05:24:37,966 --> 05:24:39,299 I’m looking for a couple of ft to rip up at the moment cuz the 11407 05:24:39,299 --> 05:24:40,399 to rip up at the moment cuz the F has gone very woke and lefty 11408 05:24:40,399 --> 05:24:42,833 F has gone very woke and lefty on me all over. The place so 11409 05:24:42,833 --> 05:24:44,200 on me all over. The place so here’s the deal uh so Alex 11410 05:24:44,200 --> 05:24:45,434 here’s the deal uh so Alex Allen apparently is the 11411 05:24:45,434 --> 05:24:45,933 Allen apparently is the government’s independent 11412 05:24:45,933 --> 05:24:47,333 government’s independent adviser on standards, has 11413 05:24:47,333 --> 05:24:48,567 adviser on standards, has resigned. He’s the guy that 11414 05:24:48,567 --> 05:24:49,900 resigned. He’s the guy that authored the report. I hope you 11415 05:24:49,900 --> 05:24:51,199 authored the report. I hope you didn’t leak it. that wouldn’t 11416 05:24:51,199 --> 05:24:53,600 didn’t leak it. that wouldn’t be good but he’s gone anyway 11417 05:24:53,600 --> 05:24:54,100 be good but he’s gone anyway and pretty Patel looks like 11418 05:24:54,100 --> 05:24:55,533 and pretty Patel looks like she’s hanging around so uh 11419 05:24:55,533 --> 05:24:57,299 she’s hanging around so uh that’s the way it goes in 11420 05:24:57,299 --> 05:24:58,133 that’s the way it goes in Downey Street today. There’s a 11421 05:24:58,133 --> 05:25:03,066 Downey Street today. 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I think 11494 05:27:10,666 --> 05:27:12,300 burg so broad daylight. I think it really hits home when you 11495 05:27:12,300 --> 05:27:13,100 it really hits home when you come to your children’s 11496 05:27:13,100 --> 05:27:14,400 come to your children’s bedrooms and you’ve seen the 11497 05:27:14,400 --> 05:27:16,266 bedrooms and you’ve seen the children’s bedrooms have been 11498 05:27:16,266 --> 05:27:17,466 children’s bedrooms have been turned upside down so the 11499 05:27:17,466 --> 05:27:19,634 turned upside down so the breaking. Was a real wake-up 11500 05:27:19,634 --> 05:27:20,434 breaking. Was a real wake-up call in terms of how to do 11501 05:27:20,434 --> 05:27:21,767 call in terms of how to do something about security of the 11502 05:27:21,767 --> 05:27:23,899 something about security of the house, so we did a complete 11503 05:27:23,899 --> 05:27:25,034 house, so we did a complete review. The first product I 11504 05:27:25,034 --> 05:27:26,434 review. The first product I bought was that a ring light 11505 05:27:26,434 --> 05:27:27,966 bought was that a ring light and that was purely because I 11506 05:27:27,966 --> 05:27:30,400 and that was purely because I had an existing flood light on 11507 05:27:30,400 --> 05:27:32,000 had an existing flood light on the front of the house because 11508 05:27:32,000 --> 05:27:34,000 the front of the house because the rings look like cameras at 11509 05:27:34,000 --> 05:27:35,466 the rings look like cameras at one side of the house, the ring 11510 05:27:35,466 --> 05:27:36,266 one side of the house, the ring door bells at the other, It 11511 05:27:36,266 --> 05:27:39,366 door bells at the other, It gives us that total coverage 11512 05:27:39,366 --> 05:27:39,966 gives us that total coverage across the front of the 11513 05:27:39,966 --> 05:27:41,899 across the front of the property Withering system again 11514 05:27:41,899 --> 05:27:43,034 property Withering system again notification if someone is on 11515 05:27:43,034 --> 05:27:44,799 notification if someone is on the property so as long as my 11516 05:27:44,799 --> 05:27:46,434 the property so as long as my phone stays quiet, I know 11517 05:27:46,434 --> 05:27:47,634 phone stays quiet, I know there’s no one on the property 11518 05:27:47,634 --> 05:27:48,799 there’s no one on the property and having that level. 11519 05:27:48,799 --> 05:27:51,433 and having that level. 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Of course we’re gonna talk about 11530 05:28:12,299 --> 05:28:14,867 course we’re gonna talk about what’s gone wrong uh with the 11531 05:28:14,867 --> 05:28:15,567 what’s gone wrong uh with the culture in this country, this 11532 05:28:15,567 --> 05:28:17,466 culture in this country, this is off the back of the boat 11533 05:28:17,466 --> 05:28:18,166 is off the back of the boat yesterday. I brought it to 11534 05:28:18,166 --> 05:28:19,533 yesterday. I brought it to everybody’s attention uh when I 11535 05:28:19,533 --> 05:28:21,299 everybody’s attention uh when I did the hand over with Julie 11536 05:28:21,299 --> 05:28:22,834 did the hand over with Julie Hartley that the Popes Fairy 11537 05:28:22,834 --> 05:28:23,599 Hartley that the Popes Fairy tale in New York, possibly one 11538 05:28:23,599 --> 05:28:25,634 tale in New York, possibly one of the greatest Christmas songs 11539 05:28:25,634 --> 05:28:26,967 of the greatest Christmas songs of all time was not gonna be 11540 05:28:26,967 --> 05:28:28,533 of all time was not gonna be played on Radio one because 11541 05:28:28,533 --> 05:28:29,800 played on Radio one because they thought that some of the 11542 05:28:29,800 --> 05:28:31,466 they thought that some of the wording might upset some of 11543 05:28:31,466 --> 05:28:33,434 wording might upset some of their listeners uh who were 11544 05:28:33,434 --> 05:28:34,900 their listeners uh who were concerned about gender and who 11545 05:28:34,900 --> 05:28:36,299 concerned about gender and who were concerned about sexual 11546 05:28:36,299 --> 05:28:39,034 were concerned about sexual slurs well, uh guess what 11547 05:28:39,034 --> 05:28:40,166 slurs well, uh guess what happened after that the Pos 11548 05:28:40,166 --> 05:28:41,800 happened after that the Pos who’ve apparently become. 11549 05:28:41,800 --> 05:28:43,634 who’ve apparently become. Planks then decided to block me 11550 05:28:43,634 --> 05:28:45,567 Planks then decided to block me on Twitter on the on the 11551 05:28:45,567 --> 05:28:46,834 on Twitter on the on the grounds that uh they don’t 11552 05:28:46,834 --> 05:28:48,366 grounds that uh they don’t agree with me that I should be 11553 05:28:48,366 --> 05:28:49,500 agree with me that I should be defending them that they should 11554 05:28:49,500 --> 05:28:50,800 defending them that they should be attacked instead for being 11555 05:28:50,800 --> 05:28:53,467 be attacked instead for being such costly bigots is over a 11556 05:28:53,467 --> 05:28:55,533 such costly bigots is over a bit mad isn’t it uh 034991 11557 05:28:55,533 --> 05:28:58,000 bit mad isn’t it uh 034991 thousand Charlotte Fish has got 11558 05:28:58,000 --> 05:28:59,834 thousand Charlotte Fish has got the news headlines across the 11559 05:28:59,834 --> 05:29:04,367 the news headlines across the UK online and on D talk Radio 11560 05:29:04,367 --> 05:29:07,966 UK online and on D talk Radio on the. Headlines on the way at 11561 05:29:07,966 --> 05:29:10,434 on the. Headlines on the way at twelve resignation over pretty 11562 05:29:10,434 --> 05:29:12,334 twelve resignation over pretty Patel inquiry pay freeze for 11563 05:29:12,334 --> 05:29:13,833 Patel inquiry pay freeze for public sector workers and tech 11564 05:29:13,833 --> 05:29:16,799 public sector workers and tech giants tackle vaccine Fake news 11565 05:29:16,799 --> 05:29:19,966 giants tackle vaccine Fake news Talk Radio The news just in 11566 05:29:19,966 --> 05:29:21,767 Talk Radio The news just in this lunch time in the prime 11567 05:29:21,767 --> 05:29:23,466 this lunch time in the prime minister’s adviser ministerial 11568 05:29:23,466 --> 05:29:24,266 minister’s adviser ministerial standards has resigned after 11569 05:29:24,266 --> 05:29:26,434 standards has resigned after Boris Johnson overruled his 11570 05:29:26,434 --> 05:29:27,466 Boris Johnson overruled his findings that pretty Patel 11571 05:29:27,466 --> 05:29:28,833 findings that pretty Patel broke the ministerial code in 11572 05:29:28,833 --> 05:29:30,400 broke the ministerial code in his investigation into claims 11573 05:29:30,400 --> 05:29:32,000 his investigation into claims of bullying. So Alex Allen said 11574 05:29:32,000 --> 05:29:33,299 of bullying. So Alex Allen said it is for the prime minister to 11575 05:29:33,299 --> 05:29:34,699 it is for the prime minister to make a judgement on whether 11576 05:29:34,699 --> 05:29:36,000 make a judgement on whether actions by minister amount to a 11577 05:29:36,000 --> 05:29:38,000 actions by minister amount to a breach saying it is therefore 11578 05:29:38,000 --> 05:29:39,466 breach saying it is therefore right he resigns our political 11579 05:29:39,466 --> 05:29:41,466 right he resigns our political correspondent. I says the home 11580 05:29:41,466 --> 05:29:42,733 correspondent. I says the home secretary has apologized for 11581 05:29:42,733 --> 05:29:44,434 secretary has apologized for upset caused by her behavior. 11582 05:29:44,434 --> 05:29:45,634 upset caused by her behavior. She also says that she was 11583 05:29:45,634 --> 05:29:46,799 She also says that she was grateful for the hard work of 11584 05:29:46,799 --> 05:29:48,400 grateful for the hard work of civil servants who she has 11585 05:29:48,400 --> 05:29:49,899 civil servants who she has worked with and also that she 11586 05:29:49,899 --> 05:29:51,966 worked with and also that she cared deeply about delivering 11587 05:29:51,966 --> 05:29:53,899 cared deeply about delivering on the commitment she has made 11588 05:29:53,899 --> 05:29:55,200 on the commitment she has made and that she acknowledges that 11589 05:29:55,200 --> 05:29:57,966 and that she acknowledges that she has been directed times and 11590 05:29:57,966 --> 05:29:58,833 she has been directed times and got frustrated, but she also 11591 05:29:58,833 --> 05:30:00,300 got frustrated, but she also says that she thanks the prime 11592 05:30:00,300 --> 05:30:02,266 says that she thanks the prime minister for his support 11593 05:30:02,266 --> 05:30:04,000 minister for his support millions of public sector 11594 05:30:04,000 --> 05:30:05,266 millions of public sector workers are facing a pay raise 11595 05:30:05,266 --> 05:30:06,799 workers are facing a pay raise pay freeze year as the 11596 05:30:06,799 --> 05:30:07,600 pay freeze year as the chancellor attempts to tackle 11597 05:30:07,600 --> 05:30:09,966 chancellor attempts to tackle the huge financial hit. By the 11598 05:30:09,966 --> 05:30:11,966 the huge financial hit. By the Corona virus those working on 11599 05:30:11,966 --> 05:30:13,699 Corona virus those working on the NS front line will be 11600 05:30:13,699 --> 05:30:14,833 the NS front line will be exempt though Roberts co 11601 05:30:14,833 --> 05:30:16,699 exempt though Roberts co director of the Cbs think Tank 11602 05:30:16,699 --> 05:30:17,966 director of the Cbs think Tank made the recommendation has 11603 05:30:17,966 --> 05:30:19,466 made the recommendation has said it’s about fairness pay 11604 05:30:19,466 --> 05:30:21,466 said it’s about fairness pay for private sector workers and 11605 05:30:21,466 --> 05:30:23,200 for private sector workers and job security for workers has 11606 05:30:23,200 --> 05:30:25,634 job security for workers has fallen off a cliff. Um you know 11607 05:30:25,634 --> 05:30:26,799 fallen off a cliff. Um you know you’ve seen um you’ve seen 11608 05:30:26,799 --> 05:30:27,800 you’ve seen um you’ve seen layoffs. you’ve seen people 11609 05:30:27,800 --> 05:30:29,399 layoffs. you’ve seen people agreed to have the hours of use 11610 05:30:29,399 --> 05:30:30,733 agreed to have the hours of use all their pay cuts. Um you know 11611 05:30:30,733 --> 05:30:32,300 all their pay cuts. Um you know they’re the graph is you know 11612 05:30:32,300 --> 05:30:33,899 they’re the graph is you know you just goes down. you know 11613 05:30:33,899 --> 05:30:35,466 you just goes down. you know really sharply well, you know 11614 05:30:35,466 --> 05:30:36,367 really sharply well, you know in the public sector, you know, 11615 05:30:36,367 --> 05:30:37,800 in the public sector, you know, life has continued um pretty 11616 05:30:37,800 --> 05:30:40,434 life has continued um pretty much as normal. More than 11617 05:30:40,434 --> 05:30:41,634 much as normal. More than 2000000 people in Scotland are 11618 05:30:41,634 --> 05:30:42,266 2000000 people in Scotland are preparing to move to the 11619 05:30:42,266 --> 05:30:43,366 preparing to move to the country’s toughest year of 11620 05:30:43,366 --> 05:30:45,299 country’s toughest year of Corona virus restrictions the 11621 05:30:45,299 --> 05:30:46,099 Corona virus restrictions the level four rules coming into 11622 05:30:46,099 --> 05:30:47,399 level four rules coming into force at six this evening in 11623 05:30:47,399 --> 05:30:49,000 force at six this evening in eleven council areas, including 11624 05:30:49,000 --> 05:30:52,434 eleven council areas, including Glasgow, sterling and much of 11625 05:30:52,434 --> 05:30:53,034 Glasgow, sterling and much of Non-essential shops, 11626 05:30:53,034 --> 05:30:54,733 Non-essential shops, restaurants, cafes and pubs 11627 05:30:54,733 --> 05:30:56,434 restaurants, cafes and pubs will be shut for 3 weeks 11628 05:30:56,434 --> 05:30:57,899 will be shut for 3 weeks Elsewhere, Northern Island will 11629 05:30:57,899 --> 05:30:59,266 Elsewhere, Northern Island will see close Contact services 11630 05:30:59,266 --> 05:31:00,699 see close Contact services reopened today for the first 11631 05:31:00,699 --> 05:31:02,733 reopened today for the first time since mid October, but 11632 05:31:02,733 --> 05:31:03,800 time since mid October, but they’ll only be able to trade 11633 05:31:03,800 --> 05:31:05,299 they’ll only be able to trade for a week before a new 11634 05:31:05,299 --> 05:31:06,866 for a week before a new two-week lockdown comes in next 11635 05:31:06,866 --> 05:31:08,799 two-week lockdown comes in next Friday. That decision was. Made 11636 05:31:08,799 --> 05:31:09,966 Friday. That decision was. Made after hours hours of 11637 05:31:09,966 --> 05:31:11,433 after hours hours of discussions at and Belfast 11638 05:31:11,433 --> 05:31:12,934 discussions at and Belfast based journalists, Amanda 11639 05:31:12,934 --> 05:31:14,000 based journalists, Amanda Ferguson has said people aren’t 11640 05:31:14,000 --> 05:31:14,699 Ferguson has said people aren’t impressed with how this has 11641 05:31:14,699 --> 05:31:17,299 impressed with how this has been handled. I think public 11642 05:31:17,299 --> 05:31:19,366 been handled. I think public confidence about sermon or 11643 05:31:19,366 --> 05:31:20,699 confidence about sermon or another low at the moment. Um I 11644 05:31:20,699 --> 05:31:21,634 another low at the moment. Um I think the public have been 11645 05:31:21,634 --> 05:31:23,299 think the public have been watching on our numbers at our 11646 05:31:23,299 --> 05:31:24,866 watching on our numbers at our case numbers that they are 11647 05:31:24,866 --> 05:31:26,400 case numbers that they are number at what the British 11648 05:31:26,400 --> 05:31:28,600 number at what the British Medical Association and other 11649 05:31:28,600 --> 05:31:29,966 Medical Association and other medical and scientific experts 11650 05:31:29,966 --> 05:31:31,466 medical and scientific experts have in and been quite 11651 05:31:31,466 --> 05:31:33,634 have in and been quite horrified and at what they’ve 11652 05:31:33,634 --> 05:31:35,366 horrified and at what they’ve seen unfolding amongst 11653 05:31:35,366 --> 05:31:36,434 seen unfolding amongst politicians. so I think the 11654 05:31:36,434 --> 05:31:37,466 politicians. so I think the politicians have a bit of work 11655 05:31:37,466 --> 05:31:39,899 politicians have a bit of work to do. To try and rebuild that 11656 05:31:39,899 --> 05:31:41,767 to do. To try and rebuild that confidence a major online 11657 05:31:41,767 --> 05:31:42,367 confidence a major online technology companies are set to 11658 05:31:42,367 --> 05:31:43,899 technology companies are set to work more closely with the 11659 05:31:43,899 --> 05:31:44,799 work more closely with the government to tackle 11660 05:31:44,799 --> 05:31:47,266 government to tackle misinformation on Corona virus. 11661 05:31:47,266 --> 05:31:48,799 misinformation on Corona virus. vaccines, Facebook Twitter and 11662 05:31:48,799 --> 05:31:49,734 vaccines, Facebook Twitter and Google will be part of a 11663 05:31:49,734 --> 05:31:50,400 Google will be part of a collaboration run by the 11664 05:31:50,400 --> 05:31:53,899 collaboration run by the charity Full fact to Radio 11665 05:31:53,899 --> 05:31:55,634 charity Full fact to Radio National Weather Saint Cloudy 11666 05:31:55,634 --> 05:31:56,833 National Weather Saint Cloudy and windy for most of the UK 11667 05:31:56,833 --> 05:31:58,434 and windy for most of the UK today outbreaks of rain in the 11668 05:31:58,434 --> 05:32:00,733 today outbreaks of rain in the West will move gradually east 11669 05:32:00,733 --> 05:32:02,367 West will move gradually east but dry by this evening talk 11670 05:32:02,367 --> 05:32:07,466 but dry by this evening talk radio across the UK online on D 11671 05:32:07,466 --> 05:32:09,034 radio across the UK online on D and on your smart speaker, the 11672 05:32:09,034 --> 05:32:12,799 and on your smart speaker, the independent. Of Mike Graham on 11673 05:32:12,799 --> 05:32:16,099 independent. Of Mike Graham on talk radio. 11674 05:32:20,467 --> 05:32:21,867 Good afternoon and welcome back 11675 05:32:21,867 --> 05:32:23,333 Good afternoon and welcome back to the Independent Republic of 11676 05:32:23,333 --> 05:32:24,867 to the Independent Republic of my right here on talk Radio. 11677 05:32:24,867 --> 05:32:25,967 my right here on talk Radio. We’ve had a statement from 11678 05:32:25,967 --> 05:32:27,399 We’ve had a statement from Patel this morning uh in which 11679 05:32:27,399 --> 05:32:28,967 Patel this morning uh in which he has said she’s sorry if uh 11680 05:32:28,967 --> 05:32:30,267 he has said she’s sorry if uh some of her actions and some of 11681 05:32:30,267 --> 05:32:32,200 some of her actions and some of her words have upset anybody uh 11682 05:32:32,200 --> 05:32:33,766 her words have upset anybody uh she sometimes gets frustrated 11683 05:32:33,766 --> 05:32:34,533 she sometimes gets frustrated with the civil service. You can 11684 05:32:34,533 --> 05:32:36,533 with the civil service. You can say that again, most of us get 11685 05:32:36,533 --> 05:32:37,100 say that again, most of us get frustrated with the civil 11686 05:32:37,100 --> 05:32:38,000 frustrated with the civil service, even if we only have 11687 05:32:38,000 --> 05:32:39,700 service, even if we only have to deal with them once in our 11688 05:32:39,700 --> 05:32:40,900 to deal with them once in our lives. imagine what you’d have 11689 05:32:40,900 --> 05:32:42,533 lives. imagine what you’d have to go through if you had to 11690 05:32:42,533 --> 05:32:44,334 to go through if you had to make that phone call torc every 11691 05:32:44,334 --> 05:32:46,234 make that phone call torc every single day of every single 11692 05:32:46,234 --> 05:32:47,434 single day of every single week, Imagine if you’re the 11693 05:32:47,434 --> 05:32:48,900 week, Imagine if you’re the home secretary trying to make 11694 05:32:48,900 --> 05:32:49,834 home secretary trying to make policy changes to the way the 11695 05:32:49,834 --> 05:32:51,466 policy changes to the way the government. Wants to treat 11696 05:32:51,466 --> 05:32:52,834 government. Wants to treat illegal immigration or wants to 11697 05:32:52,834 --> 05:32:53,967 illegal immigration or wants to treat the way that human rights 11698 05:32:53,967 --> 05:32:55,834 treat the way that human rights lawyers are able to rescue uh 11699 05:32:55,834 --> 05:32:57,766 lawyers are able to rescue uh various asylum seekers off of 11700 05:32:57,766 --> 05:32:58,599 various asylum seekers off of planes and bring them back into 11701 05:32:58,599 --> 05:33:00,767 planes and bring them back into this country after they’ve been 11702 05:33:00,767 --> 05:33:02,334 this country after they’ve been deported. Imagine uh your 11703 05:33:02,334 --> 05:33:03,667 deported. Imagine uh your frustration levels are trying 11704 05:33:03,667 --> 05:33:04,800 frustration levels are trying to get the police of this 11705 05:33:04,800 --> 05:33:05,934 to get the police of this country to do this stuff that 11706 05:33:05,934 --> 05:33:07,399 country to do this stuff that you want them to do rather than 11707 05:33:07,399 --> 05:33:08,933 you want them to do rather than to do the stuff that their 11708 05:33:08,933 --> 05:33:10,334 to do the stuff that their bosses want them to do uh which 11709 05:33:10,334 --> 05:33:11,799 bosses want them to do uh which includes dancing with 11710 05:33:11,799 --> 05:33:12,933 includes dancing with extinction, rebellion and 11711 05:33:12,933 --> 05:33:14,334 extinction, rebellion and skateboarding around uh gay 11712 05:33:14,334 --> 05:33:16,367 skateboarding around uh gay pride marches. Here’s the 11713 05:33:16,367 --> 05:33:17,800 pride marches. Here’s the bottom line. Pretty Patel is 11714 05:33:17,800 --> 05:33:19,733 bottom line. Pretty Patel is doing her job. Boris Johnson. 11715 05:33:19,733 --> 05:33:21,434 doing her job. Boris Johnson. Standing by her uh the guy who 11716 05:33:21,434 --> 05:33:22,633 Standing by her uh the guy who wrote the report on whether or 11717 05:33:22,633 --> 05:33:24,000 wrote the report on whether or not she was guilty of bullying 11718 05:33:24,000 --> 05:33:25,533 not she was guilty of bullying uh who seems to be a bit 11719 05:33:25,533 --> 05:33:27,933 uh who seems to be a bit confused about uh what bullying 11720 05:33:27,933 --> 05:33:30,299 confused about uh what bullying actually is uh has resigned so 11721 05:33:30,299 --> 05:33:31,966 actually is uh has resigned so therefore, the government 11722 05:33:31,966 --> 05:33:33,267 therefore, the government continues uh and goes from one 11723 05:33:33,267 --> 05:33:35,267 continues uh and goes from one kind of scandal to another 11724 05:33:35,267 --> 05:33:36,234 kind of scandal to another staggering about trying to 11725 05:33:36,234 --> 05:33:37,634 staggering about trying to figure out when we can come out 11726 05:33:37,634 --> 05:33:39,299 figure out when we can come out the lockdown what we can do for 11727 05:33:39,299 --> 05:33:40,967 the lockdown what we can do for Christmas and whether or not 11728 05:33:40,967 --> 05:33:42,799 Christmas and whether or not uh, in fact we should have 11729 05:33:42,799 --> 05:33:45,333 uh, in fact we should have agreed Industrial Revolution 11730 05:33:45,333 --> 05:33:47,334 agreed Industrial Revolution 03491 thousand uh there’s gonna 11731 05:33:47,334 --> 05:33:48,000 03491 thousand uh there’s gonna be a press conference later on 11732 05:33:48,000 --> 05:33:49,267 be a press conference later on today at 5 o’clock from down 11733 05:33:49,267 --> 05:33:50,500 today at 5 o’clock from down the street with Matt Hancock 11734 05:33:50,500 --> 05:33:51,434 the street with Matt Hancock Boris Johnson, Of course, as if 11735 05:33:51,434 --> 05:33:53,467 Boris Johnson, Of course, as if you hadn’t forgotten. Is still 11736 05:33:53,467 --> 05:33:56,000 you hadn’t forgotten. Is still locked down and self isolating 11737 05:33:56,000 --> 05:33:57,067 locked down and self isolating in his own bedroom for for 11738 05:33:57,067 --> 05:33:58,400 in his own bedroom for for heaven’s because he doesn’t 11739 05:33:58,400 --> 05:34:00,766 heaven’s because he doesn’t have coveted. right because he 11740 05:34:00,766 --> 05:34:02,500 have coveted. right because he doesn’t have coveted. we’ll be 11741 05:34:02,500 --> 05:34:03,933 doesn’t have coveted. we’ll be talking to so many in this out 11742 05:34:03,933 --> 05:34:04,900 talking to so many in this out because I need to talk to her 11743 05:34:04,900 --> 05:34:06,700 because I need to talk to her about what is going on uh with 11744 05:34:06,700 --> 05:34:08,767 about what is going on uh with the it’s actually now getting 11745 05:34:08,767 --> 05:34:10,434 the it’s actually now getting ridiculous the polls yesterday 11746 05:34:10,434 --> 05:34:11,967 ridiculous the polls yesterday uh we’re told that BBC Radio 11747 05:34:11,967 --> 05:34:13,767 uh we’re told that BBC Radio one the radio station was not 11748 05:34:13,767 --> 05:34:14,799 one the radio station was not gonna play fairy tale in New 11749 05:34:14,799 --> 05:34:16,000 gonna play fairy tale in New York cuz it was too offensive. 11750 05:34:16,000 --> 05:34:17,634 York cuz it was too offensive. They’re only gonna play a water 11751 05:34:17,634 --> 05:34:18,833 They’re only gonna play a water down version. It doesn’t 11752 05:34:18,833 --> 05:34:20,234 down version. It doesn’t include certain words that we 11753 05:34:20,234 --> 05:34:22,634 include certain words that we can’t say because they might be 11754 05:34:22,634 --> 05:34:24,900 can’t say because they might be upsetting to people. I then. 11755 05:34:24,900 --> 05:34:26,467 upsetting to people. I then. Their cause only to discover 11756 05:34:26,467 --> 05:34:28,399 Their cause only to discover that later in the afternoon, 11757 05:34:28,399 --> 05:34:29,467 that later in the afternoon, the post decided to block me on 11758 05:34:29,467 --> 05:34:31,333 the post decided to block me on Twitter because apparently they 11759 05:34:31,333 --> 05:34:32,500 Twitter because apparently they don’t agree with me their 11760 05:34:32,500 --> 05:34:34,300 don’t agree with me their course because they presumably 11761 05:34:34,300 --> 05:34:36,434 course because they presumably don’t agree with my politics. I 11762 05:34:36,434 --> 05:34:37,800 don’t agree with my politics. I have no idea where to go at 11763 05:34:37,800 --> 05:34:38,834 have no idea where to go at Lawrence Fox as well coming up 11764 05:34:38,834 --> 05:34:40,334 Lawrence Fox as well coming up with some ludicrous word that 11765 05:34:40,334 --> 05:34:41,133 with some ludicrous word that you’ve heard of which basically 11766 05:34:41,133 --> 05:34:43,333 you’ve heard of which basically equated it with being a Nazi. 11767 05:34:43,333 --> 05:34:46,333 equated it with being a Nazi. Yeah brilliant well done 03491 11768 05:34:46,333 --> 05:34:47,467 Yeah brilliant well done 03491 thousand. We’ve got some awards 11769 05:34:47,467 --> 05:34:49,034 thousand. We’ve got some awards to hand out later on as well. 11770 05:34:49,034 --> 05:34:50,367 to hand out later on as well. You listen to me, Mike Graham 11771 05:34:50,367 --> 05:34:51,434 You listen to me, Mike Graham on the fastest growing radio 11772 05:34:51,434 --> 05:34:52,867 on the fastest growing radio station on the planet. It is of 11773 05:34:52,867 --> 05:34:55,966 station on the planet. It is of course, talk radio. Morning 11774 05:34:55,966 --> 05:34:58,767 course, talk radio. Morning with my Cork radio now I must 11775 05:34:58,767 --> 05:35:00,567 with my Cork radio now I must confess even I was quite taken 11776 05:35:00,567 --> 05:35:02,500 confess even I was quite taken a back by the development 11777 05:35:02,500 --> 05:35:03,199 a back by the development yesterday afternoon when I 11778 05:35:03,199 --> 05:35:04,634 yesterday afternoon when I thought the Pos uh would have 11779 05:35:04,634 --> 05:35:06,533 thought the Pos uh would have been quite happy about me 11780 05:35:06,533 --> 05:35:07,267 been quite happy about me defending them uh whether 11781 05:35:07,267 --> 05:35:08,500 defending them uh whether instead it turned out to be 11782 05:35:08,500 --> 05:35:09,567 instead it turned out to be completely the reverse, there’s 11783 05:35:09,567 --> 05:35:11,133 completely the reverse, there’s so many political commentator 11784 05:35:11,133 --> 05:35:14,834 so many political commentator uh often a populate version of 11785 05:35:14,834 --> 05:35:16,000 uh often a populate version of the plank of the week, which 11786 05:35:16,000 --> 05:35:17,467 the plank of the week, which appears as a panelist there. 11787 05:35:17,467 --> 05:35:18,500 appears as a panelist there. uh, in fact, you might be on it 11788 05:35:18,500 --> 05:35:19,867 uh, in fact, you might be on it very soon again. Emily Very 11789 05:35:19,867 --> 05:35:21,467 very soon again. Emily Very good afternoon to you good 11790 05:35:21,467 --> 05:35:22,366 good afternoon to you good afternoon. How are you very 11791 05:35:22,366 --> 05:35:23,834 afternoon. How are you very well? I’m very well but I’m cut 11792 05:35:23,834 --> 05:35:24,467 well? I’m very well but I’m cut to the quick obviously by 11793 05:35:24,467 --> 05:35:26,467 to the quick obviously by having been blocked by the post 11794 05:35:26,467 --> 05:35:27,933 having been blocked by the post and I don’t even know the Pos 11795 05:35:27,933 --> 05:35:28,599 and I don’t even know the Pos had an official Twitter 11796 05:35:28,599 --> 05:35:29,300 had an official Twitter account. They don’t actually 11797 05:35:29,300 --> 05:35:31,833 account. They don’t actually have a blue ??? But I’m 11798 05:35:31,833 --> 05:35:33,267 have a blue ??? But I’m assuming it’s run by somebody 11799 05:35:33,267 --> 05:35:34,834 assuming it’s run by somebody who’s not actually a it maybe a 11800 05:35:34,834 --> 05:35:36,467 who’s not actually a it maybe a Poe fan. that’s running it um 11801 05:35:36,467 --> 05:35:38,434 Poe fan. that’s running it um but there I was trying to help 11802 05:35:38,434 --> 05:35:39,234 but there I was trying to help them out trying to sort of 11803 05:35:39,234 --> 05:35:41,399 them out trying to sort of stand up for reason and fun and 11804 05:35:41,399 --> 05:35:42,933 stand up for reason and fun and Christmas, and instead I’ve 11805 05:35:42,933 --> 05:35:44,366 Christmas, and instead I’ve been uh you know cast off into 11806 05:35:44,366 --> 05:35:46,366 been uh you know cast off into the sidelines like Lawrence Fox 11807 05:35:46,366 --> 05:35:48,000 the sidelines like Lawrence Fox cuz I’m obviously Foxy right 11808 05:35:48,000 --> 05:35:49,299 cuz I’m obviously Foxy right wing for them. I mean it’s 11809 05:35:49,299 --> 05:35:50,867 wing for them. I mean it’s quite amusing. isn’t it. You 11810 05:35:50,867 --> 05:35:51,800 quite amusing. isn’t it. You couldn’t really make it up. You 11811 05:35:51,800 --> 05:35:52,366 couldn’t really make it up. You really couldn’t. I mean it 11812 05:35:52,366 --> 05:35:54,467 really couldn’t. I mean it really sums up sums up twenty 11813 05:35:54,467 --> 05:35:56,366 really sums up sums up twenty doesn’t it does they don’t want 11814 05:35:56,366 --> 05:35:58,399 doesn’t it does they don’t want you defending them even though 11815 05:35:58,399 --> 05:35:59,599 you defending them even though you’re defending them because 11816 05:35:59,599 --> 05:36:01,299 you’re defending them because I.. They’re concerned that 11817 05:36:01,299 --> 05:36:01,967 I.. They’re concerned that they’ll be cancelled forever, 11818 05:36:01,967 --> 05:36:04,000 they’ll be cancelled forever, so they’ve got to back track on 11819 05:36:04,000 --> 05:36:05,399 so they’ve got to back track on anything offensive they’ve ever 11820 05:36:05,399 --> 05:36:06,967 anything offensive they’ve ever said in their entire lives in 11821 05:36:06,967 --> 05:36:08,367 said in their entire lives in their whole career. Yes, I’m 11822 05:36:08,367 --> 05:36:10,200 their whole career. Yes, I’m sure some millennial running 11823 05:36:10,200 --> 05:36:11,834 sure some millennial running the accounts. I know it’s it’s 11824 05:36:11,834 --> 05:36:13,067 the accounts. I know it’s it’s pretty. it’s pretty bizarre as 11825 05:36:13,067 --> 05:36:13,933 pretty. it’s pretty bizarre as well, but this song really 11826 05:36:13,933 --> 05:36:15,767 well, but this song really anybody knows that they ever 11827 05:36:15,767 --> 05:36:16,667 anybody knows that they ever wrote Fairy Tale, New York and 11828 05:36:16,667 --> 05:36:17,833 wrote Fairy Tale, New York and the only reason it was 11829 05:36:17,833 --> 05:36:19,933 the only reason it was successful uh was because of 11830 05:36:19,933 --> 05:36:21,434 successful uh was because of Cristy McCall, who actually was 11831 05:36:21,434 --> 05:36:22,234 Cristy McCall, who actually was brought in by Steve, a guy that 11832 05:36:22,234 --> 05:36:24,000 brought in by Steve, a guy that I know quite well, the producer 11833 05:36:24,000 --> 05:36:25,967 I know quite well, the producer of the of the of the of the 11834 05:36:25,967 --> 05:36:27,234 of the of the of the of the song and Kirsten Nicole’s own 11835 05:36:27,234 --> 05:36:28,267 song and Kirsten Nicole’s own mother has said that this whole 11836 05:36:28,267 --> 05:36:29,966 mother has said that this whole thing is ridiculous. So I 11837 05:36:29,966 --> 05:36:31,667 thing is ridiculous. So I wonder if they’ve taken against 11838 05:36:31,667 --> 05:36:33,434 wonder if they’ve taken against her as well, they probably have 11839 05:36:33,434 --> 05:36:35,333 her as well, they probably have you know these kind of debates 11840 05:36:35,333 --> 05:36:37,334 you know these kind of debates don’t uh stop it, you know 11841 05:36:37,334 --> 05:36:38,000 don’t uh stop it, you know families are torn apart over 11842 05:36:38,000 --> 05:36:41,267 families are torn apart over this kind of free speech versus 11843 05:36:41,267 --> 05:36:42,766 this kind of free speech versus council culture debate um 11844 05:36:42,766 --> 05:36:43,533 council culture debate um that’s going on, but I think 11845 05:36:43,533 --> 05:36:44,500 that’s going on, but I think these type of arguments over 11846 05:36:44,500 --> 05:36:46,000 these type of arguments over songs like this and lyrics, you 11847 05:36:46,000 --> 05:36:47,333 songs like this and lyrics, you know they do come up time and 11848 05:36:47,333 --> 05:36:49,467 know they do come up time and time again and uh people like 11849 05:36:49,467 --> 05:36:51,133 time again and uh people like you and I. accused of sort of 11850 05:36:51,133 --> 05:36:53,300 you and I. accused of sort of whipping up culture Wars 11851 05:36:53,300 --> 05:36:54,867 whipping up culture Wars hysteric, but this isn’t just a 11852 05:36:54,867 --> 05:36:56,866 hysteric, but this isn’t just a one off. is it um it speaks to 11853 05:36:56,866 --> 05:36:57,900 one off. is it um it speaks to a wider problem, and that’s why 11854 05:36:57,900 --> 05:36:58,833 a wider problem, and that’s why people get so frustrated with 11855 05:36:58,833 --> 05:37:00,133 people get so frustrated with kind of censorship, you 11856 05:37:00,133 --> 05:37:01,600 kind of censorship, you censorship, you know we had the 11857 05:37:01,600 --> 05:37:03,667 censorship, you know we had the Bbc’s. Comedy shows such as 11858 05:37:03,667 --> 05:37:05,833 Bbc’s. Comedy shows such as faulty towers and uh Little 11859 05:37:05,833 --> 05:37:08,767 faulty towers and uh Little Britain from their eyes we had 11860 05:37:08,767 --> 05:37:10,299 Britain from their eyes we had Bbc’s from using supposed to be 11861 05:37:10,299 --> 05:37:12,900 Bbc’s from using supposed to be racist phrases like knitty, 11862 05:37:12,900 --> 05:37:14,533 racist phrases like knitty, gritty. We all remember the 11863 05:37:14,533 --> 05:37:17,200 gritty. We all remember the attempts to uh a sense out of 11864 05:37:17,200 --> 05:37:18,467 attempts to uh a sense out of hope and glory. I made I seem 11865 05:37:18,467 --> 05:37:19,767 hope and glory. I made I seem to remember I made you sing it 11866 05:37:19,767 --> 05:37:20,767 to remember I made you sing it at the end of plank of the week 11867 05:37:20,767 --> 05:37:22,166 at the end of plank of the week one so which did rather well 11868 05:37:22,166 --> 05:37:23,167 one so which did rather well actually, but people didn’t see 11869 05:37:23,167 --> 05:37:23,966 actually, but people didn’t see the funny side of it. You know 11870 05:37:23,966 --> 05:37:25,067 the funny side of it. You know they looked at us doing it and 11871 05:37:25,067 --> 05:37:26,399 they looked at us doing it and we’re like look at these 11872 05:37:26,399 --> 05:37:27,467 we’re like look at these idiots. You know these right 11873 05:37:27,467 --> 05:37:28,100 idiots. You know these right wing maniacs. They’re 11874 05:37:28,100 --> 05:37:30,267 wing maniacs. They’re absolutely mad. You know 11875 05:37:30,267 --> 05:37:31,833 absolutely mad. You know they’re frothing at the I mean 11876 05:37:31,833 --> 05:37:33,067 they’re frothing at the I mean they just don’t really seem to 11877 05:37:33,067 --> 05:37:34,467 they just don’t really seem to have a sense of humor. all of 11878 05:37:34,467 --> 05:37:35,533 have a sense of humor. all of these people. Well, I think 11879 05:37:35,533 --> 05:37:37,434 these people. Well, I think it’s. I think it is a problem 11880 05:37:37,434 --> 05:37:38,133 it’s. I think it is a problem on the left as well. This lack 11881 05:37:38,133 --> 05:37:39,800 on the left as well. This lack of sense of humor. people are 11882 05:37:39,800 --> 05:37:41,200 of sense of humor. people are so concerned with causing 11883 05:37:41,200 --> 05:37:42,934 so concerned with causing offense. You know I went to a 11884 05:37:42,934 --> 05:37:44,533 offense. You know I went to a comedy night just before the 11885 05:37:44,533 --> 05:37:47,167 comedy night just before the second lockdown um and it was 11886 05:37:47,167 --> 05:37:48,834 second lockdown um and it was in North London, so you can 11887 05:37:48,834 --> 05:37:49,900 in North London, so you can imagine the type of politics 11888 05:37:49,900 --> 05:37:52,366 imagine the type of politics that most people there had. but 11889 05:37:52,366 --> 05:37:53,934 that most people there had. but the problem was is so much of 11890 05:37:53,934 --> 05:37:55,267 the problem was is so much of it just wasn’t funny because 11891 05:37:55,267 --> 05:37:56,599 it just wasn’t funny because they were so terrified of 11892 05:37:56,599 --> 05:37:57,800 they were so terrified of saying anything that could be 11893 05:37:57,800 --> 05:37:59,067 saying anything that could be construed as being offensive. 11894 05:37:59,067 --> 05:38:00,433 construed as being offensive. There’s one guy who about to 11895 05:38:00,433 --> 05:38:01,967 There’s one guy who about to make a joke about someone being 11896 05:38:01,967 --> 05:38:03,799 make a joke about someone being a fat or himself being fat, but 11897 05:38:03,799 --> 05:38:06,133 a fat or himself being fat, but he stopped himself. Because the 11898 05:38:06,133 --> 05:38:07,334 he stopped himself. Because the crowd we’re looking rather 11899 05:38:07,334 --> 05:38:09,300 crowd we’re looking rather rather shocked. Yeah. So it’s 11900 05:38:09,300 --> 05:38:09,966 rather shocked. Yeah. So it’s um it’s quite. it’s quite 11901 05:38:09,966 --> 05:38:11,434 um it’s quite. it’s quite amazing how much comedy has 11902 05:38:11,434 --> 05:38:13,233 amazing how much comedy has been censored. You know we had 11903 05:38:13,233 --> 05:38:14,967 been censored. You know we had Jimmy who’s the producer of um 11904 05:38:14,967 --> 05:38:16,634 Jimmy who’s the producer of um have I got news for you. I 11905 05:38:16,634 --> 05:38:17,834 have I got news for you. I think he came out this this 11906 05:38:17,834 --> 05:38:20,467 think he came out this this week to say that the Bbc’s 11907 05:38:20,467 --> 05:38:21,901 week to say that the Bbc’s deliberately censoring their 11908 05:38:21,901 --> 05:38:22,967 deliberately censoring their comedy output because they’re 11909 05:38:22,967 --> 05:38:24,533 comedy output because they’re so terrified of causing offense 11910 05:38:24,533 --> 05:38:25,834 so terrified of causing offense and this is what’s happening to 11911 05:38:25,834 --> 05:38:27,533 and this is what’s happening to uh comedy and that’s why you 11912 05:38:27,533 --> 05:38:28,299 uh comedy and that’s why you have the rise of sort of 11913 05:38:28,299 --> 05:38:29,967 have the rise of sort of alternative comedy shows like 11914 05:38:29,967 --> 05:38:31,399 alternative comedy shows like the free speech comedy right 11915 05:38:31,399 --> 05:38:32,633 the free speech comedy right Well. This is the thing because 11916 05:38:32,633 --> 05:38:34,267 Well. This is the thing because rodeo one have done what 11917 05:38:34,267 --> 05:38:35,167 rodeo one have done what everybody else was like. Why is 11918 05:38:35,167 --> 05:38:35,767 everybody else was like. Why is everybody making fast? Well? 11919 05:38:35,767 --> 05:38:37,334 everybody making fast? Well? The reason people made a fuss 11920 05:38:37,334 --> 05:38:38,800 The reason people made a fuss was because Radio one actually 11921 05:38:38,800 --> 05:38:39,700 was because Radio one actually issued a statement and a tweet 11922 05:38:39,700 --> 05:38:41,400 issued a statement and a tweet in which they declared that. 11923 05:38:41,400 --> 05:38:43,034 in which they declared that. Was what they were doing now if 11924 05:38:43,034 --> 05:38:44,334 Was what they were doing now if they hadn’t done that uh and 11925 05:38:44,334 --> 05:38:45,767 they hadn’t done that uh and they had just done it as 11926 05:38:45,767 --> 05:38:47,167 they had just done it as opposed to you know telling 11927 05:38:47,167 --> 05:38:47,867 opposed to you know telling everyone they were going to do 11928 05:38:47,867 --> 05:38:49,967 everyone they were going to do it. People might not have even 11929 05:38:49,967 --> 05:38:50,767 it. People might not have even noticed. I don’t listen to 11930 05:38:50,767 --> 05:38:51,733 noticed. I don’t listen to radio one so I wouldn’t know if 11931 05:38:51,733 --> 05:38:53,533 radio one so I wouldn’t know if they change the lyrics of fairy 11932 05:38:53,533 --> 05:38:55,033 they change the lyrics of fairy tale in New York, but they told 11933 05:38:55,033 --> 05:38:55,866 tale in New York, but they told everybody they were going to do 11934 05:38:55,866 --> 05:38:57,299 everybody they were going to do it as if that was more 11935 05:38:57,299 --> 05:38:58,166 it as if that was more important than what they were 11936 05:38:58,166 --> 05:38:59,500 important than what they were actually doing cuz it is more 11937 05:38:59,500 --> 05:39:01,233 actually doing cuz it is more important to tell people isn’t 11938 05:39:01,233 --> 05:39:01,966 important to tell people isn’t it. Do you remember Ben and 11939 05:39:01,966 --> 05:39:03,199 it. Do you remember Ben and Jerry’s telling everybody that 11940 05:39:03,199 --> 05:39:05,334 Jerry’s telling everybody that they didn’t back Pretty Patel. 11941 05:39:05,334 --> 05:39:06,133 they didn’t back Pretty Patel. You know they’re an ice cream 11942 05:39:06,133 --> 05:39:07,333 You know they’re an ice cream company. They’ve now got a 11943 05:39:07,333 --> 05:39:09,434 company. They’ve now got a tweet out only they haven’t 11944 05:39:09,434 --> 05:39:10,133 tweet out only they haven’t learned their lesson today. Uh 11945 05:39:10,133 --> 05:39:11,367 learned their lesson today. Uh I read a tweet on their 11946 05:39:11,367 --> 05:39:12,234 I read a tweet on their account, which was talking all 11947 05:39:12,234 --> 05:39:14,967 account, which was talking all about. The racial injustice of 11948 05:39:14,967 --> 05:39:16,900 about. The racial injustice of climate change and how 11949 05:39:16,900 --> 05:39:18,599 climate change and how basically you know um people of 11950 05:39:18,599 --> 05:39:20,867 basically you know um people of color are somehow affected 11951 05:39:20,867 --> 05:39:21,834 color are somehow affected badly by climate change more 11952 05:39:21,834 --> 05:39:22,933 badly by climate change more than they pollute the world and 11953 05:39:22,933 --> 05:39:25,233 than they pollute the world and it’s like you’re making ice 11954 05:39:25,233 --> 05:39:26,399 it’s like you’re making ice cream. What are you doing? Oh 11955 05:39:26,399 --> 05:39:27,967 cream. What are you doing? Oh yeah after the death of George, 11956 05:39:27,967 --> 05:39:30,267 yeah after the death of George, they were putting out graphics 11957 05:39:30,267 --> 05:39:31,100 they were putting out graphics tweets everyday all day about 11958 05:39:31,100 --> 05:39:32,133 tweets everyday all day about how we need we need to 11959 05:39:32,133 --> 05:39:34,467 how we need we need to dismantle white supremacy. How 11960 05:39:34,467 --> 05:39:35,200 dismantle white supremacy. How we need to check our white 11961 05:39:35,200 --> 05:39:36,167 we need to check our white privilege and this is coming 11962 05:39:36,167 --> 05:39:37,334 privilege and this is coming from a company that isn’t 11963 05:39:37,334 --> 05:39:39,700 from a company that isn’t exactly squeaking itself. I 11964 05:39:39,700 --> 05:39:41,400 exactly squeaking itself. I heard I think it has uh some 11965 05:39:41,400 --> 05:39:43,366 heard I think it has uh some rather uh well it’s own. It’s 11966 05:39:43,366 --> 05:39:44,800 rather uh well it’s own. It’s owned by you. It’s owned by 11967 05:39:44,800 --> 05:39:45,967 owned by you. It’s owned by you. It’s owned by Unilever 11968 05:39:45,967 --> 05:39:48,533 you. It’s owned by Unilever now, which is known to be uh a 11969 05:39:48,533 --> 05:39:50,767 now, which is known to be uh a very massive multinational 11970 05:39:50,767 --> 05:39:52,267 very massive multinational globalist organization, which 11971 05:39:52,267 --> 05:39:53,933 globalist organization, which amongst other things sells skin 11972 05:39:53,933 --> 05:39:55,533 amongst other things sells skin whitening whitening cream to 11973 05:39:55,533 --> 05:39:59,834 whitening whitening cream to people in the 11974 05:40:04,767 --> 05:40:07,500 subconscious. to so you know 11975 05:40:07,500 --> 05:40:08,500 subconscious. to so you know they should probably check 11976 05:40:08,500 --> 05:40:09,867 they should probably check their own record before they 11977 05:40:09,867 --> 05:40:10,967 their own record before they start telling us to dismantle 11978 05:40:10,967 --> 05:40:12,767 start telling us to dismantle our white privilege. Whatever. 11979 05:40:12,767 --> 05:40:14,533 our white privilege. Whatever. Means but um I think also going 11980 05:40:14,533 --> 05:40:17,900 Means but um I think also going back to that the Bbc’s out as a 11981 05:40:17,900 --> 05:40:19,434 back to that the Bbc’s out as a new story, this seems to be 11982 05:40:19,434 --> 05:40:20,800 new story, this seems to be something that our state 11983 05:40:20,800 --> 05:40:21,367 something that our state broadcaster seems to be doing 11984 05:40:21,367 --> 05:40:22,667 broadcaster seems to be doing quite a lot whenever there’s 11985 05:40:22,667 --> 05:40:24,800 quite a lot whenever there’s this kind of story creating a 11986 05:40:24,800 --> 05:40:27,334 this kind of story creating a role in order to then I guess 11987 05:40:27,334 --> 05:40:29,267 role in order to then I guess create more publicity for 11988 05:40:29,267 --> 05:40:30,467 create more publicity for themselves um which is kinda 11989 05:40:30,467 --> 05:40:32,500 themselves um which is kinda strange coming from a publicly 11990 05:40:32,500 --> 05:40:33,767 strange coming from a publicly owned state broadcaster. You 11991 05:40:33,767 --> 05:40:35,467 owned state broadcaster. You know you might expect it from a 11992 05:40:35,467 --> 05:40:36,800 know you might expect it from a privately owned outlet um but 11993 05:40:36,800 --> 05:40:38,533 privately owned outlet um but this sort of you know big band 11994 05:40:38,533 --> 05:40:39,500 this sort of you know big band the version of the song and 11995 05:40:39,500 --> 05:40:40,934 the version of the song and then they report it as a new 11996 05:40:40,934 --> 05:40:42,334 then they report it as a new story on their own on their own 11997 05:40:42,334 --> 05:40:43,933 story on their own on their own platform. and so it’s quite odd 11998 05:40:43,933 --> 05:40:45,800 platform. and so it’s quite odd behavior. Don’t think it’s what 11999 05:40:45,800 --> 05:40:46,434 behavior. Don’t think it’s what most of the British public 12000 05:40:46,434 --> 05:40:48,267 most of the British public think that our state 12001 05:40:48,267 --> 05:40:49,100 think that our state broadcaster that let’s remember 12002 05:40:49,100 --> 05:40:50,267 broadcaster that let’s remember we all pay for shouldn’t be 12003 05:40:50,267 --> 05:40:51,467 we all pay for shouldn’t be doing well, exactly right and 12004 05:40:51,467 --> 05:40:52,999 doing well, exactly right and in particular at the moment 12005 05:40:52,999 --> 05:40:54,000 in particular at the moment they got this new Director 12006 05:40:54,000 --> 05:40:55,434 they got this new Director General Tim Davie, who people 12007 05:40:55,434 --> 05:40:56,533 General Tim Davie, who people thought was gonna be a breath 12008 05:40:56,533 --> 05:40:57,767 thought was gonna be a breath of fresh air because he 12009 05:40:57,767 --> 05:40:59,399 of fresh air because he actually reversed the ban on 12010 05:40:59,399 --> 05:41:00,334 actually reversed the ban on land of hope and glory, and 12011 05:41:00,334 --> 05:41:01,933 land of hope and glory, and they did actually end up 12012 05:41:01,933 --> 05:41:02,533 they did actually end up transforming it and singing it 12013 05:41:02,533 --> 05:41:03,733 transforming it and singing it uh even uh even though they 12014 05:41:03,733 --> 05:41:04,867 uh even uh even though they sort of bit of a hash of 12015 05:41:04,867 --> 05:41:06,367 sort of bit of a hash of Jerusalem with some new lyrics, 12016 05:41:06,367 --> 05:41:07,567 Jerusalem with some new lyrics, you know, I didn’t know this 12017 05:41:07,567 --> 05:41:08,767 you know, I didn’t know this obsession with people on the 12018 05:41:08,767 --> 05:41:10,000 obsession with people on the left where they wanna change 12019 05:41:10,000 --> 05:41:11,300 left where they wanna change everything you know, because 12020 05:41:11,300 --> 05:41:12,234 everything you know, because there’s a reason why lyrics are 12021 05:41:12,234 --> 05:41:15,334 there’s a reason why lyrics are written in a particular way. A 12022 05:41:15,334 --> 05:41:16,000 written in a particular way. A bit like looking at and saying 12023 05:41:16,000 --> 05:41:18,267 bit like looking at and saying you know well, Picasso uh 12024 05:41:18,267 --> 05:41:19,434 you know well, Picasso uh painted that in a terrible time 12025 05:41:19,434 --> 05:41:20,967 painted that in a terrible time and what we should do uh is 12026 05:41:20,967 --> 05:41:22,533 and what we should do uh is kind of take a paintbrush and 12027 05:41:22,533 --> 05:41:23,500 kind of take a paintbrush and change the bits that maybe look 12028 05:41:23,500 --> 05:41:26,367 change the bits that maybe look a bit that nightmare and a bit 12029 05:41:26,367 --> 05:41:28,000 a bit that nightmare and a bit violent uh and change the whole 12030 05:41:28,000 --> 05:41:30,733 violent uh and change the whole piece of art because it offends 12031 05:41:30,733 --> 05:41:32,000 piece of art because it offends someone but strategic isn’t it. 12032 05:41:32,000 --> 05:41:34,399 someone but strategic isn’t it. They ban the words we can use 12033 05:41:34,399 --> 05:41:36,767 They ban the words we can use then they will by extensions. 12034 05:41:36,767 --> 05:41:38,000 then they will by extensions. start banning what we are 12035 05:41:38,000 --> 05:41:40,000 start banning what we are thinking and I think a lot of 12036 05:41:40,000 --> 05:41:43,301 thinking and I think a lot of this censorship um is most 12037 05:41:43,301 --> 05:41:43,967 this censorship um is most disturbing when it leads to 12038 05:41:43,967 --> 05:41:45,967 disturbing when it leads to this self censorship that we 12039 05:41:45,967 --> 05:41:48,734 this self censorship that we see throughout our. Our 12040 05:41:48,734 --> 05:41:49,367 see throughout our. Our institutions throughout 12041 05:41:49,367 --> 05:41:51,233 institutions throughout businesses throughout a society 12042 05:41:51,233 --> 05:41:52,867 businesses throughout a society that people feel like they 12043 05:41:52,867 --> 05:41:54,400 that people feel like they can’t actually put forward 12044 05:41:54,400 --> 05:41:55,933 can’t actually put forward their views often their 12045 05:41:55,933 --> 05:41:57,399 their views often their mainstream views for fear of 12046 05:41:57,399 --> 05:41:59,200 mainstream views for fear of being cancelled or the fear of 12047 05:41:59,200 --> 05:42:00,767 being cancelled or the fear of being you know, losing a job or 12048 05:42:00,767 --> 05:42:02,167 being you know, losing a job or losing composition losing 12049 05:42:02,167 --> 05:42:03,899 losing composition losing social status or whatever you 12050 05:42:03,899 --> 05:42:05,399 social status or whatever you might see. but I think this 12051 05:42:05,399 --> 05:42:07,233 might see. but I think this speaks this whole story. you 12052 05:42:07,233 --> 05:42:07,933 speaks this whole story. you know you might think it’s just 12053 05:42:07,933 --> 05:42:09,267 know you might think it’s just a silly story. It’s just one 12054 05:42:09,267 --> 05:42:11,399 a silly story. It’s just one song, but it does speak to his 12055 05:42:11,399 --> 05:42:12,999 song, but it does speak to his broader broader picture of free 12056 05:42:12,999 --> 05:42:13,800 broader broader picture of free speech and where we stand in 12057 05:42:13,800 --> 05:42:15,000 speech and where we stand in this country with it, you know 12058 05:42:15,000 --> 05:42:15,800 this country with it, you know you’ve got in Scotland, the 12059 05:42:15,800 --> 05:42:18,334 you’ve got in Scotland, the Minister of Justice. Seeking to 12060 05:42:18,334 --> 05:42:19,967 Minister of Justice. Seeking to bring in one of the most 12061 05:42:19,967 --> 05:42:21,667 bring in one of the most draconian laws, expanding hate 12062 05:42:21,667 --> 05:42:23,234 draconian laws, expanding hate crime law to include what we 12063 05:42:23,234 --> 05:42:24,800 crime law to include what we say at the dinner table with 12064 05:42:24,800 --> 05:42:26,767 say at the dinner table with our family and you have the law 12065 05:42:26,767 --> 05:42:27,867 our family and you have the law Commission in this country in 12066 05:42:27,867 --> 05:42:30,267 Commission in this country in England and Wales try to while 12067 05:42:30,267 --> 05:42:32,767 England and Wales try to while proposing bans on a defensive 12068 05:42:32,767 --> 05:42:34,334 proposing bans on a defensive cartoons. so the state of 12069 05:42:34,334 --> 05:42:35,800 cartoons. so the state of freedom of speech in this 12070 05:42:35,800 --> 05:42:37,167 freedom of speech in this country is not just uh you know 12071 05:42:37,167 --> 05:42:38,333 country is not just uh you know a left right issue. It’s 12072 05:42:38,333 --> 05:42:39,034 a left right issue. It’s something that everyone should 12073 05:42:39,034 --> 05:42:41,267 something that everyone should be worried about because it’s 12074 05:42:41,267 --> 05:42:42,933 be worried about because it’s it’s it’s deeply concerning it 12075 05:42:42,933 --> 05:42:43,900 it’s it’s deeply concerning it really is and I mean if you’re 12076 05:42:43,900 --> 05:42:45,000 really is and I mean if you’re only gonna look at what’s going 12077 05:42:45,000 --> 05:42:47,167 only gonna look at what’s going on in university sector. Um in 12078 05:42:47,167 --> 05:42:48,467 on in university sector. Um in the way that everyone is being 12079 05:42:48,467 --> 05:42:49,667 the way that everyone is being told and funny enough, I was 12080 05:42:49,667 --> 05:42:50,800 told and funny enough, I was talking to Neil Oliver about 12081 05:42:50,800 --> 05:42:52,133 talking to Neil Oliver about Scotland the other day, and he 12082 05:42:52,133 --> 05:42:53,399 Scotland the other day, and he was saying that in Scotland now 12083 05:42:53,399 --> 05:42:55,199 was saying that in Scotland now because the SP is more or less 12084 05:42:55,199 --> 05:42:57,267 because the SP is more or less a one-party state running 12085 05:42:57,267 --> 05:42:58,299 a one-party state running Scotland, you know all of the 12086 05:42:58,299 --> 05:43:00,267 Scotland, you know all of the public sector uh a lot of the 12087 05:43:00,267 --> 05:43:01,567 public sector uh a lot of the academia and awful lot of the 12088 05:43:01,567 --> 05:43:03,767 academia and awful lot of the kind of the uh the the what you 12089 05:43:03,767 --> 05:43:04,567 kind of the uh the the what you might call the lesser areas 12090 05:43:04,567 --> 05:43:06,767 might call the lesser areas like local councils are all 12091 05:43:06,767 --> 05:43:08,467 like local councils are all enthralled to the SP that they 12092 05:43:08,467 --> 05:43:10,267 enthralled to the SP that they didn’t talk about anything 12093 05:43:10,267 --> 05:43:12,334 didn’t talk about anything other than that particular SP 12094 05:43:12,334 --> 05:43:13,399 other than that particular SP independence agenda because if 12095 05:43:13,399 --> 05:43:14,599 independence agenda because if you’re an academic in Scotland, 12096 05:43:14,599 --> 05:43:17,867 you’re an academic in Scotland, you really don’t. Get any work 12097 05:43:17,867 --> 05:43:20,133 you really don’t. Get any work effectively if If you disagree 12098 05:43:20,133 --> 05:43:21,567 effectively if If you disagree with the well, I mean that’s 12099 05:43:21,567 --> 05:43:23,167 with the well, I mean that’s really terrifying. Yeah. I 12100 05:43:23,167 --> 05:43:24,267 really terrifying. Yeah. I don’t know too much about 12101 05:43:24,267 --> 05:43:25,434 don’t know too much about what’s going on in Scotland, 12102 05:43:25,434 --> 05:43:27,700 what’s going on in Scotland, but these hate crime laws are 12103 05:43:27,700 --> 05:43:29,334 but these hate crime laws are chilling and the way that we 12104 05:43:29,334 --> 05:43:30,900 chilling and the way that we have this sort of one party 12105 05:43:30,900 --> 05:43:32,667 have this sort of one party state um telling people how 12106 05:43:32,667 --> 05:43:33,967 state um telling people how they should behave what they’re 12107 05:43:33,967 --> 05:43:35,766 they should behave what they’re allowed to say, and obviously 12108 05:43:35,766 --> 05:43:36,334 allowed to say, and obviously they’ve got their hands on a 12109 05:43:36,334 --> 05:43:37,967 they’ve got their hands on a lot of the funding as well, so 12110 05:43:37,967 --> 05:43:39,833 lot of the funding as well, so they’re gonna put their money 12111 05:43:39,833 --> 05:43:41,301 they’re gonna put their money where where they want it so and 12112 05:43:41,301 --> 05:43:43,767 where where they want it so and also censoring other people so 12113 05:43:43,767 --> 05:43:44,634 also censoring other people so it’s really quite shocking 12114 05:43:44,634 --> 05:43:45,933 it’s really quite shocking what’s going on north of the 12115 05:43:45,933 --> 05:43:46,867 what’s going on north of the border and I think more and 12116 05:43:46,867 --> 05:43:47,933 border and I think more and more attention needs to be 12117 05:43:47,933 --> 05:43:49,967 more attention needs to be thought to it because. Is 12118 05:43:49,967 --> 05:43:53,833 thought to it because. Is really under attack um and and 12119 05:43:53,833 --> 05:43:55,267 really under attack um and and and also here yeah because I 12120 05:43:55,267 --> 05:43:57,233 and also here yeah because I think it’s uh the uh the 12121 05:43:57,233 --> 05:43:57,933 think it’s uh the uh the metropolitan Police guy has 12122 05:43:57,933 --> 05:43:59,467 metropolitan Police guy has come out and said something 12123 05:43:59,467 --> 05:44:01,399 come out and said something similar not to say that he 12124 05:44:01,399 --> 05:44:02,800 similar not to say that he wants the use of Scottish hate 12125 05:44:02,800 --> 05:44:04,334 wants the use of Scottish hate crime law to be brought in, but 12126 05:44:04,334 --> 05:44:05,967 crime law to be brought in, but certainly he’s made noises to 12127 05:44:05,967 --> 05:44:07,300 certainly he’s made noises to that effect and they’ve also 12128 05:44:07,300 --> 05:44:09,299 that effect and they’ve also said that they wanna bring in 12129 05:44:09,299 --> 05:44:10,967 said that they wanna bring in this ridiculous um elimination 12130 05:44:10,967 --> 05:44:13,434 this ridiculous um elimination on people talking about about 12131 05:44:13,434 --> 05:44:14,833 on people talking about about covet in certain that they 12132 05:44:14,833 --> 05:44:15,467 covet in certain that they don’t think it’s right that 12133 05:44:15,467 --> 05:44:16,899 don’t think it’s right that people be you know, 12134 05:44:16,899 --> 05:44:18,500 people be you know, scrutinizing or being skeptical 12135 05:44:18,500 --> 05:44:20,267 scrutinizing or being skeptical about. Vaccines Well, I’m 12136 05:44:20,267 --> 05:44:21,067 about. Vaccines Well, I’m sorry, you know you don’t get 12137 05:44:21,067 --> 05:44:23,301 sorry, you know you don’t get to say what is uh acceptable to 12138 05:44:23,301 --> 05:44:24,467 to say what is uh acceptable to speak about if you’re the 12139 05:44:24,467 --> 05:44:26,999 speak about if you’re the police force in this country. 12140 05:44:26,999 --> 05:44:27,599 police force in this country. That’s not your job right 12141 05:44:27,599 --> 05:44:29,034 That’s not your job right exactly and it’s not just it’s 12142 05:44:29,034 --> 05:44:30,500 exactly and it’s not just it’s not just the police. It’s also 12143 05:44:30,500 --> 05:44:32,333 not just the police. It’s also the labor party who wants to 12144 05:44:32,333 --> 05:44:33,199 the labor party who wants to censor anti vaccine messaging. 12145 05:44:33,199 --> 05:44:34,767 censor anti vaccine messaging. You’ve also got the Royal 12146 05:44:34,767 --> 05:44:35,700 You’ve also got the Royal society. I think as well, he 12147 05:44:35,700 --> 05:44:38,000 society. I think as well, he was saying that um we should 12148 05:44:38,000 --> 05:44:40,267 was saying that um we should stop people from spreading 12149 05:44:40,267 --> 05:44:40,967 stop people from spreading misinformation, but the problem 12150 05:44:40,967 --> 05:44:42,800 misinformation, but the problem is yes, it may be 12151 05:44:42,800 --> 05:44:43,434 is yes, it may be misinformation in this case, 12152 05:44:43,434 --> 05:44:45,199 misinformation in this case, but you know at another moment 12153 05:44:45,199 --> 05:44:46,234 but you know at another moment it might be censoring things 12154 05:44:46,234 --> 05:44:47,300 it might be censoring things that then become true and it’s 12155 05:44:47,300 --> 05:44:49,767 that then become true and it’s sort of stopping. Scientific 12156 05:44:49,767 --> 05:44:53,034 sort of stopping. Scientific inquiry um and making us you 12157 05:44:53,034 --> 05:44:55,567 inquiry um and making us you know all conform to one point 12158 05:44:55,567 --> 05:44:57,133 know all conform to one point of view and I think that people 12159 05:44:57,133 --> 05:44:58,167 of view and I think that people really need to start pushing 12160 05:44:58,167 --> 05:44:59,334 really need to start pushing back at this, even if it’s not 12161 05:44:59,334 --> 05:45:00,933 back at this, even if it’s not politically correct. Yeah. So 12162 05:45:00,933 --> 05:45:02,267 politically correct. Yeah. So that’s the problem you have 12163 05:45:02,267 --> 05:45:03,200 that’s the problem you have every institution in this 12164 05:45:03,200 --> 05:45:04,800 every institution in this country, part of the liberal 12165 05:45:04,800 --> 05:45:06,567 country, part of the liberal establishment all agreeing and 12166 05:45:06,567 --> 05:45:08,767 establishment all agreeing and that is really dangerous for 12167 05:45:08,767 --> 05:45:10,599 that is really dangerous for pluralism and for as we said 12168 05:45:10,599 --> 05:45:12,267 pluralism and for as we said freedom of speech, it’s kind of 12169 05:45:12,267 --> 05:45:13,800 freedom of speech, it’s kind of what I call project-based 12170 05:45:13,800 --> 05:45:14,666 what I call project-based politics you know, and I wonder 12171 05:45:14,666 --> 05:45:17,167 politics you know, and I wonder if it all started in Brussels 12172 05:45:17,167 --> 05:45:17,867 if it all started in Brussels and in Europe, where, for 12173 05:45:17,867 --> 05:45:19,233 and in Europe, where, for example, if you’re not part. 12174 05:45:19,233 --> 05:45:20,533 example, if you’re not part. The European Project you’re 12175 05:45:20,533 --> 05:45:22,000 The European Project you’re some kind of godly horrible 12176 05:45:22,000 --> 05:45:23,567 some kind of godly horrible selfish individual who doesn’t 12177 05:45:23,567 --> 05:45:24,767 selfish individual who doesn’t want to share in the general 12178 05:45:24,767 --> 05:45:26,000 want to share in the general good, you know, and I wonder if 12179 05:45:26,000 --> 05:45:27,301 good, you know, and I wonder if that’s where it began because 12180 05:45:27,301 --> 05:45:29,066 that’s where it began because we seem to have adopted that 12181 05:45:29,066 --> 05:45:31,367 we seem to have adopted that sort of uh situation here when 12182 05:45:31,367 --> 05:45:32,299 sort of uh situation here when you got all the brows that we 12183 05:45:32,299 --> 05:45:33,800 you got all the brows that we used to have with Ramona and 12184 05:45:33,800 --> 05:45:35,166 used to have with Ramona and Brexit tears and all of that, 12185 05:45:35,166 --> 05:45:36,334 Brexit tears and all of that, you know basically brings tears 12186 05:45:36,334 --> 05:45:37,934 you know basically brings tears painted as people who were 12187 05:45:37,934 --> 05:45:39,867 painted as people who were narrow minded isolation is you 12188 05:45:39,867 --> 05:45:40,967 narrow minded isolation is you know Little England as people 12189 05:45:40,967 --> 05:45:42,133 know Little England as people who couldn’t understand the 12190 05:45:42,133 --> 05:45:45,034 who couldn’t understand the wider good and it’s just 12191 05:45:45,034 --> 05:45:46,767 wider good and it’s just completely wrong. Oh yeah. We 12192 05:45:46,767 --> 05:45:47,567 completely wrong. Oh yeah. We definitely have this in terms 12193 05:45:47,567 --> 05:45:49,133 definitely have this in terms of the lock down measures. it 12194 05:45:49,133 --> 05:45:51,267 of the lock down measures. it seems to be the sort of Brexit 12195 05:45:51,267 --> 05:45:52,967 seems to be the sort of Brexit argument playing out once again 12196 05:45:52,967 --> 05:45:55,199 argument playing out once again before. Um you’ve got the sort 12197 05:45:55,199 --> 05:45:57,267 before. Um you’ve got the sort of nice people being pro locked 12198 05:45:57,267 --> 05:45:58,399 of nice people being pro locked down as they see themselves to 12199 05:45:58,399 --> 05:45:59,634 down as they see themselves to be and the lockdown skeptics 12200 05:45:59,634 --> 05:46:01,767 be and the lockdown skeptics being the evil types you don’t 12201 05:46:01,767 --> 05:46:03,333 being the evil types you don’t care about people’s lives and 12202 05:46:03,333 --> 05:46:05,233 care about people’s lives and things shouldn’t be so 12203 05:46:05,233 --> 05:46:06,800 things shouldn’t be so polarized in that respect, we 12204 05:46:06,800 --> 05:46:08,434 polarized in that respect, we should be able to have a uh 12205 05:46:08,434 --> 05:46:10,800 should be able to have a uh well a genuine debate 12206 05:46:10,800 --> 05:46:12,301 well a genuine debate discussion over something like 12207 05:46:12,301 --> 05:46:13,967 discussion over something like this and it shouldn’t be uh 12208 05:46:13,967 --> 05:46:16,267 this and it shouldn’t be uh shouldn’t be so polarized and 12209 05:46:16,267 --> 05:46:17,800 shouldn’t be so polarized and have people you know going at 12210 05:46:17,800 --> 05:46:18,800 have people you know going at each other’s necks over this. 12211 05:46:18,800 --> 05:46:20,301 each other’s necks over this. Yeah. so that’s the state. our 12212 05:46:20,301 --> 05:46:21,034 Yeah. so that’s the state. our country isn’t it and that’s the 12213 05:46:21,034 --> 05:46:21,667 country isn’t it and that’s the state of our media at the 12214 05:46:21,667 --> 05:46:23,466 state of our media at the moment it is for the cool. 12215 05:46:23,466 --> 05:46:24,567 moment it is for the cool. Interestingly, when you go into 12216 05:46:24,567 --> 05:46:26,900 Interestingly, when you go into some areas of kind of uh lefty 12217 05:46:26,900 --> 05:46:28,500 some areas of kind of uh lefty madness and the trans debate 12218 05:46:28,500 --> 05:46:29,933 madness and the trans debate and you get people like JK 12219 05:46:29,933 --> 05:46:31,267 and you get people like JK rolling who’s previously been a 12220 05:46:31,267 --> 05:46:32,766 rolling who’s previously been a great champion of the left 12221 05:46:32,766 --> 05:46:33,900 great champion of the left suddenly getting vilified and 12222 05:46:33,900 --> 05:46:36,399 suddenly getting vilified and more or less told that she’s a 12223 05:46:36,399 --> 05:46:37,167 more or less told that she’s a costly individual because she 12224 05:46:37,167 --> 05:46:39,434 costly individual because she has a particular view uh and 12225 05:46:39,434 --> 05:46:40,334 has a particular view uh and other people don’t and 12226 05:46:40,334 --> 05:46:41,967 other people don’t and similarly uh Suzanne Moore uh 12227 05:46:41,967 --> 05:46:44,301 similarly uh Suzanne Moore uh who’s now left, I think her job 12228 05:46:44,301 --> 05:46:45,333 who’s now left, I think her job um at the Guardian because of 12229 05:46:45,333 --> 05:46:47,299 um at the Guardian because of all of the hate that she’s had. 12230 05:46:47,299 --> 05:46:48,767 all of the hate that she’s had. Yeah, I know that was quite 12231 05:46:48,767 --> 05:46:49,967 Yeah, I know that was quite extraordinary. She’s a more 12232 05:46:49,967 --> 05:46:51,434 extraordinary. She’s a more stepped outside of the sort of 12233 05:46:51,434 --> 05:46:53,767 stepped outside of the sort of uh the. The box of what you’re 12234 05:46:53,767 --> 05:46:54,733 uh the. The box of what you’re allowed to say at the Guardian 12235 05:46:54,733 --> 05:46:56,934 allowed to say at the Guardian and she had to leave. I’ll be 12236 05:46:56,934 --> 05:46:58,000 and she had to leave. I’ll be very interested to see what she 12237 05:46:58,000 --> 05:46:59,500 very interested to see what she has to say um in the coming 12238 05:46:59,500 --> 05:47:00,766 has to say um in the coming months about what happened 12239 05:47:00,766 --> 05:47:02,133 months about what happened there, But you know you’ve got 12240 05:47:02,133 --> 05:47:03,567 there, But you know you’ve got so many things you know I’ve 12241 05:47:03,567 --> 05:47:04,800 so many things you know I’ve lost track of the number of 12242 05:47:04,800 --> 05:47:05,967 lost track of the number of terms. we’re now used to 12243 05:47:05,967 --> 05:47:07,634 terms. we’re now used to describe women. Besides women, 12244 05:47:07,634 --> 05:47:09,199 describe women. Besides women, you know women with their 12245 05:47:09,199 --> 05:47:10,334 you know women with their cervix people who bleed people 12246 05:47:10,334 --> 05:47:12,467 cervix people who bleed people with certs, whatever all these 12247 05:47:12,467 --> 05:47:13,900 with certs, whatever all these terms yet the PC radio for 12248 05:47:13,900 --> 05:47:15,799 terms yet the PC radio for making the editorial decisions 12249 05:47:15,799 --> 05:47:17,934 making the editorial decisions to use the term of people that 12250 05:47:17,934 --> 05:47:19,267 to use the term of people that was a great well that was 12251 05:47:19,267 --> 05:47:19,733 was a great well that was forgotten about that was this 12252 05:47:19,733 --> 05:47:20,967 forgotten about that was this week? wasn’t it? Yeah. I know 12253 05:47:20,967 --> 05:47:23,399 week? wasn’t it? Yeah. I know it’s madness. And I don’t know 12254 05:47:23,399 --> 05:47:24,367 it’s madness. And I don’t know who they’re trying trying to 12255 05:47:24,367 --> 05:47:26,467 who they’re trying trying to appeal the Bbc’s big problem. I 12256 05:47:26,467 --> 05:47:27,834 appeal the Bbc’s big problem. I guess they’re trying to appeal 12257 05:47:27,834 --> 05:47:29,966 guess they’re trying to appeal to a younger generation. 12258 05:47:29,966 --> 05:47:31,533 to a younger generation. Meanwhile, that younger 12259 05:47:31,533 --> 05:47:33,100 Meanwhile, that younger generation are creating their 12260 05:47:33,100 --> 05:47:35,267 generation are creating their own content. They’re watching 12261 05:47:35,267 --> 05:47:35,966 own content. They’re watching YouTube they’re watching 12262 05:47:35,966 --> 05:47:38,000 YouTube they’re watching Snapchat and Instagram. They’re 12263 05:47:38,000 --> 05:47:39,567 Snapchat and Instagram. They’re not listening to Beg Radio one 12264 05:47:39,567 --> 05:47:40,999 not listening to Beg Radio one any longer so I would say that 12265 05:47:40,999 --> 05:47:42,767 any longer so I would say that the BBC should focus on what it 12266 05:47:42,767 --> 05:47:44,933 the BBC should focus on what it does best and leave it at that 12267 05:47:44,933 --> 05:47:46,300 does best and leave it at that and not try to social engineer 12268 05:47:46,300 --> 05:47:47,967 and not try to social engineer and tell people what they 12269 05:47:47,967 --> 05:47:49,967 and tell people what they should and should not be 12270 05:47:49,967 --> 05:47:50,767 should and should not be watching. You know the Bbc’s 12271 05:47:50,767 --> 05:47:52,734 watching. You know the Bbc’s adamant are treating us like. 12272 05:47:52,734 --> 05:47:54,500 adamant are treating us like. Acting like it has the moral 12273 05:47:54,500 --> 05:47:56,533 Acting like it has the moral authority for one reason or 12274 05:47:56,533 --> 05:47:57,367 authority for one reason or another to tell the public what 12275 05:47:57,367 --> 05:47:59,299 another to tell the public what they can and can’t listen to 12276 05:47:59,299 --> 05:48:00,767 they can and can’t listen to and I find that to be more 12277 05:48:00,767 --> 05:48:03,299 and I find that to be more offensive than any lyrics from 12278 05:48:03,299 --> 05:48:04,867 offensive than any lyrics from Fairy tales exactly, but but 12279 05:48:04,867 --> 05:48:07,399 Fairy tales exactly, but but also what is they’re 12280 05:48:07,399 --> 05:48:07,967 also what is they’re apologizing and banning 12281 05:48:07,967 --> 05:48:08,900 apologizing and banning something uh before anybody’s 12282 05:48:08,900 --> 05:48:10,100 something uh before anybody’s actually complained about it, 12283 05:48:10,100 --> 05:48:10,834 actually complained about it, which is clearly what they’ve 12284 05:48:10,834 --> 05:48:11,966 which is clearly what they’ve done in this case with the 12285 05:48:11,966 --> 05:48:12,900 done in this case with the posts because nobody’s told 12286 05:48:12,900 --> 05:48:14,467 posts because nobody’s told them not to play it. apparently 12287 05:48:14,467 --> 05:48:15,467 them not to play it. apparently they’re playing on radio too. 12288 05:48:15,467 --> 05:48:17,000 they’re playing on radio too. So what’s that tell you does 12289 05:48:17,000 --> 05:48:18,000 So what’s that tell you does that mean that the older 12290 05:48:18,000 --> 05:48:19,567 that mean that the older generation are actually more 12291 05:48:19,567 --> 05:48:20,599 generation are actually more capable of being offended and 12292 05:48:20,599 --> 05:48:21,834 capable of being offended and not bothered about. It’s not 12293 05:48:21,834 --> 05:48:23,267 not bothered about. It’s not gonna ruin their day. The only 12294 05:48:23,267 --> 05:48:24,467 gonna ruin their day. The only thing I can say uh Emily is 12295 05:48:24,467 --> 05:48:25,967 thing I can say uh Emily is that I’ve got. Some hope for 12296 05:48:25,967 --> 05:48:27,334 that I’ve got. Some hope for the new generation cuz my two 12297 05:48:27,334 --> 05:48:29,967 the new generation cuz my two teenage sons are pretty um 12298 05:48:29,967 --> 05:48:32,267 teenage sons are pretty um irreverent and rather enjoy 12299 05:48:32,267 --> 05:48:33,967 irreverent and rather enjoy making fun of people rather 12300 05:48:33,967 --> 05:48:35,533 making fun of people rather enjoy comedy, which is quite 12301 05:48:35,533 --> 05:48:36,834 enjoy comedy, which is quite brutal and I don’t know whether 12302 05:48:36,834 --> 05:48:37,799 brutal and I don’t know whether that’s just because they’re 12303 05:48:37,799 --> 05:48:39,367 that’s just because they’re related to me. but I’m hoping 12304 05:48:39,367 --> 05:48:40,667 related to me. but I’m hoping that they represent you know 12305 05:48:40,667 --> 05:48:43,567 that they represent you know the new teenage generation 12306 05:48:43,567 --> 05:48:45,334 the new teenage generation coming behind. you know I hope 12307 05:48:45,334 --> 05:48:46,000 coming behind. you know I hope so I think my generation and 12308 05:48:46,000 --> 05:48:47,399 so I think my generation and maybe a few years younger than 12309 05:48:47,399 --> 05:48:49,299 maybe a few years younger than me are probably the worst 12310 05:48:49,299 --> 05:48:51,100 me are probably the worst everything is the problematic I 12311 05:48:51,100 --> 05:48:52,634 everything is the problematic I mean, where did it all go wrong 12312 05:48:52,634 --> 05:48:54,500 mean, where did it all go wrong for you? I mean how come you’re 12313 05:48:54,500 --> 05:48:57,301 for you? I mean how come you’re sensible. I don’t know I guess 12314 05:48:57,301 --> 05:48:59,833 sensible. I don’t know I guess I’ll put that in my parenting I 12315 05:48:59,833 --> 05:49:01,299 I’ll put that in my parenting I guess or just by innate sense 12316 05:49:01,299 --> 05:49:02,900 guess or just by innate sense of being you know. I’m very 12317 05:49:02,900 --> 05:49:04,000 of being you know. I’m very sensible. you know, look at 12318 05:49:04,000 --> 05:49:05,567 sensible. you know, look at things of the big picture, but 12319 05:49:05,567 --> 05:49:06,767 things of the big picture, but it’s true that people by age 12320 05:49:06,767 --> 05:49:08,334 it’s true that people by age have the most extraordinary 12321 05:49:08,334 --> 05:49:10,901 have the most extraordinary conversations um about what’s 12322 05:49:10,901 --> 05:49:11,967 conversations um about what’s problematic about what you can 12323 05:49:11,967 --> 05:49:13,867 problematic about what you can and can’t say any kind of 12324 05:49:13,867 --> 05:49:15,767 and can’t say any kind of debate that could vague 12325 05:49:15,767 --> 05:49:17,300 debate that could vague controversially shut down. You 12326 05:49:17,300 --> 05:49:18,933 controversially shut down. You know someone I follow on 12327 05:49:18,933 --> 05:49:20,467 know someone I follow on Instagram recently was having a 12328 05:49:20,467 --> 05:49:22,766 Instagram recently was having a having a sincere debate about 12329 05:49:22,766 --> 05:49:24,299 having a sincere debate about whether fake tan was the same 12330 05:49:24,299 --> 05:49:25,867 whether fake tan was the same as black face and whether she 12331 05:49:25,867 --> 05:49:26,800 as black face and whether she should stop using fake time 12332 05:49:26,800 --> 05:49:28,333 should stop using fake time because it might be deemed 12333 05:49:28,333 --> 05:49:30,599 because it might be deemed defensive to any of uh black 12334 05:49:30,599 --> 05:49:32,733 defensive to any of uh black followers. So this is the kind 12335 05:49:32,733 --> 05:49:35,267 followers. So this is the kind of that are uh that people my 12336 05:49:35,267 --> 05:49:36,800 of that are uh that people my age are having on on media 12337 05:49:36,800 --> 05:49:39,100 age are having on on media rather than let’s say talking 12338 05:49:39,100 --> 05:49:40,301 rather than let’s say talking about how we’re gonna get out 12339 05:49:40,301 --> 05:49:41,167 about how we’re gonna get out of this coveted crisis. Yeah 12340 05:49:41,167 --> 05:49:42,900 of this coveted crisis. Yeah and again whether whether 12341 05:49:42,900 --> 05:49:43,666 and again whether whether whether you’re gonna get 12342 05:49:43,666 --> 05:49:44,766 whether you’re gonna get arrested for saying the wrong 12343 05:49:44,766 --> 05:49:47,199 arrested for saying the wrong thing to somebody in the 12344 05:49:47,199 --> 05:49:48,900 thing to somebody in the street, Yeah, I mean it’s just 12345 05:49:48,900 --> 05:49:50,933 street, Yeah, I mean it’s just quite extraordinary the kind of 12346 05:49:50,933 --> 05:49:53,800 quite extraordinary the kind of the lengths people go to Bing 12347 05:49:53,800 --> 05:49:55,399 the lengths people go to Bing signal on matters that really 12348 05:49:55,399 --> 05:49:57,067 signal on matters that really are just so minor and I’m not 12349 05:49:57,067 --> 05:49:58,800 are just so minor and I’m not exactly sure who they think 12350 05:49:58,800 --> 05:49:59,599 exactly sure who they think they’re trying to uh defend and 12351 05:49:59,599 --> 05:50:01,034 they’re trying to uh defend and I’m not sure who all these 12352 05:50:01,034 --> 05:50:02,234 I’m not sure who all these people are who are offended by 12353 05:50:02,234 --> 05:50:04,634 people are who are offended by the lyrics that we’re. About 12354 05:50:04,634 --> 05:50:07,167 the lyrics that we’re. About today, it’s such a small, but I 12355 05:50:07,167 --> 05:50:08,334 today, it’s such a small, but I think the BC is just trying to 12356 05:50:08,334 --> 05:50:09,933 think the BC is just trying to virtue signal and perhaps 12357 05:50:09,933 --> 05:50:10,800 virtue signal and perhaps they’re just trying to bring 12358 05:50:10,800 --> 05:50:13,733 they’re just trying to bring more traffic to their to the 12359 05:50:13,733 --> 05:50:14,900 more traffic to their to the Bbc’s not getting as much 12360 05:50:14,900 --> 05:50:16,000 Bbc’s not getting as much listeners as it used to the 12361 05:50:16,000 --> 05:50:17,634 listeners as it used to the travel is now I don’t know 12362 05:50:17,634 --> 05:50:18,767 travel is now I don’t know whether I want uh the photo of 12363 05:50:18,767 --> 05:50:19,967 whether I want uh the photo of New York to be number one or 12364 05:50:19,967 --> 05:50:21,467 New York to be number one or not you know because yesterday 12365 05:50:21,467 --> 05:50:23,167 not you know because yesterday morning I did. but now I’m not 12366 05:50:23,167 --> 05:50:24,500 morning I did. but now I’m not so sure because there’s so many 12367 05:50:24,500 --> 05:50:25,967 so sure because there’s so many points out if they’re that keen 12368 05:50:25,967 --> 05:50:28,500 points out if they’re that keen uh on exposing you know, 12369 05:50:28,500 --> 05:50:29,500 uh on exposing you know, greatness and goodness and 12370 05:50:29,500 --> 05:50:30,933 greatness and goodness and virtue the poses really ought 12371 05:50:30,933 --> 05:50:31,634 virtue the poses really ought to give all of the money that 12372 05:50:31,634 --> 05:50:33,767 to give all of the money that they’ve made off this terrible. 12373 05:50:33,767 --> 05:50:35,533 they’ve made off this terrible. Bigoted song of this and give 12374 05:50:35,533 --> 05:50:37,667 Bigoted song of this and give it to some charity of my 12375 05:50:37,667 --> 05:50:39,199 it to some charity of my choice. Oh, and, of course they 12376 05:50:39,199 --> 05:50:41,399 choice. Oh, and, of course they will never do that. Will they 12377 05:50:41,399 --> 05:50:42,967 will never do that. Will they no they’d rather block you and 12378 05:50:42,967 --> 05:50:44,467 no they’d rather block you and see virtuous, but I think 12379 05:50:44,467 --> 05:50:45,700 see virtuous, but I think you’re right. I think this is 12380 05:50:45,700 --> 05:50:46,934 you’re right. I think this is gonna be counter productive is 12381 05:50:46,934 --> 05:50:49,233 gonna be counter productive is uh has it become number one yet 12382 05:50:49,233 --> 05:50:50,867 uh has it become number one yet uh well not yet, but uh it 12383 05:50:50,867 --> 05:50:52,366 uh well not yet, but uh it maybe a Christmas wish too far. 12384 05:50:52,366 --> 05:50:53,733 maybe a Christmas wish too far. Emily Thank you very much 12385 05:50:53,733 --> 05:50:55,100 Emily Thank you very much indeed a political compensator 12386 05:50:55,100 --> 05:50:57,399 indeed a political compensator and very sensible member of 12387 05:50:57,399 --> 05:50:58,900 and very sensible member of what can only be described as a 12388 05:50:58,900 --> 05:50:59,533 what can only be described as a millennial generation because 12389 05:50:59,533 --> 05:51:01,334 millennial generation because it’s all gonna be wrong for the 12390 05:51:01,334 --> 05:51:01,967 it’s all gonna be wrong for the rest of them. isn’t it. You 12391 05:51:01,967 --> 05:51:03,167 rest of them. isn’t it. You know they’re all offended by 12392 05:51:03,167 --> 05:51:04,599 know they’re all offended by this offended by that offended 12393 05:51:04,599 --> 05:51:05,434 this offended by that offended by the other, I mean what you 12394 05:51:05,434 --> 05:51:07,799 by the other, I mean what you can be offended. 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To mid morning with my talk, 12535 05:55:28,600 --> 05:55:31,967 mid morning with my talk, radio, the Independent Republic 12536 05:55:31,967 --> 05:55:34,000 radio, the Independent Republic of Mike on Radio Welcome back 12537 05:55:34,000 --> 05:55:35,867 of Mike on Radio Welcome back to the Independent Republic, 12538 05:55:35,867 --> 05:55:38,000 to the Independent Republic, Mike right here on Radio Awards 12539 05:55:38,000 --> 05:55:38,967 Mike right here on Radio Awards coming up in a little while in 12540 05:55:38,967 --> 05:55:40,333 coming up in a little while in college of course, from one and 12541 05:55:40,333 --> 05:55:41,467 college of course, from one and Mark Dolan here from four with 12542 05:55:41,467 --> 05:55:42,899 Mark Dolan here from four with the drive time show uh it is 12543 05:55:42,899 --> 05:55:43,900 the drive time show uh it is the end of yet another week. 12544 05:55:43,900 --> 05:55:45,434 the end of yet another week. It’s a bit gloomy out there uh 12545 05:55:45,434 --> 05:55:46,800 It’s a bit gloomy out there uh in the skies over London, but 12546 05:55:46,800 --> 05:55:48,299 in the skies over London, but it’s still just about make out 12547 05:55:48,299 --> 05:55:49,800 it’s still just about make out the tower and it’s looking a 12548 05:55:49,800 --> 05:55:51,067 the tower and it’s looking a bit dead to be honest. There’s 12549 05:55:51,067 --> 05:55:52,966 bit dead to be honest. There’s a word with Felix uh who’s in 12550 05:55:52,966 --> 05:55:55,434 a word with Felix uh who’s in hello Felix. Hello Mike. How 12551 05:55:55,434 --> 05:55:57,633 hello Felix. Hello Mike. How you doing? Well, you just said 12552 05:55:57,633 --> 05:56:01,333 you doing? Well, you just said the weather was gloomy and 12553 05:56:01,333 --> 05:56:02,767 the weather was gloomy and dead. It is that pretty much 12554 05:56:02,767 --> 05:56:05,933 dead. It is that pretty much sums up my mood. I think half 12555 05:56:05,933 --> 05:56:09,233 sums up my mood. I think half dead anyway. Yeah, it’s not 12556 05:56:09,233 --> 05:56:09,933 dead anyway. Yeah, it’s not easy. I mean it isn’t easy and 12557 05:56:09,933 --> 05:56:11,967 easy. I mean it isn’t easy and I mean I really do sympathize 12558 05:56:11,967 --> 05:56:13,133 I mean I really do sympathize and a lot of people who I talk 12559 05:56:13,133 --> 05:56:13,900 and a lot of people who I talk to from time to time we just 12560 05:56:13,900 --> 05:56:15,967 to from time to time we just get fed up for no particular 12561 05:56:15,967 --> 05:56:17,334 get fed up for no particular reason. It’s just like this 12562 05:56:17,334 --> 05:56:18,066 reason. It’s just like this relentless kind of day after 12563 05:56:18,066 --> 05:56:20,234 relentless kind of day after day nonsense and you just go 12564 05:56:20,234 --> 05:56:21,667 day nonsense and you just go for God’s sake. You know, give 12565 05:56:21,667 --> 05:56:24,399 for God’s sake. You know, give me something to smile about I 12566 05:56:24,399 --> 05:56:25,899 me something to smile about I know uh the government has 12567 05:56:25,899 --> 05:56:28,634 know uh the government has managed to me into submission. 12568 05:56:28,634 --> 05:56:30,933 managed to me into submission. I think um I’m I’m losing 12569 05:56:30,933 --> 05:56:32,466 I think um I’m I’m losing interest in the whole thing. I 12570 05:56:32,466 --> 05:56:34,133 interest in the whole thing. I know I know maybe that’s their 12571 05:56:34,133 --> 05:56:36,434 know I know maybe that’s their plan. Yup and it seems to be 12572 05:56:36,434 --> 05:56:38,066 plan. Yup and it seems to be it’s it’s working for me. We’re 12573 05:56:38,066 --> 05:56:40,867 it’s it’s working for me. We’re we’re just in some sort of risk 12574 05:56:40,867 --> 05:56:44,967 we’re just in some sort of risk scenario where. Oh uh the only 12575 05:56:44,967 --> 05:56:47,334 scenario where. Oh uh the only option is to lock down. Yeah, 12576 05:56:47,334 --> 05:56:48,167 option is to lock down. Yeah, you know. yeah. this is it when 12577 05:56:48,167 --> 05:56:49,966 you know. yeah. this is it when you when you get people saying 12578 05:56:49,966 --> 05:56:50,500 you when you get people saying things like well. of course, 12579 05:56:50,500 --> 05:56:51,766 things like well. of course, you know you know now that you 12580 05:56:51,766 --> 05:56:53,800 you know you know now that you know for day of freedom, you 12581 05:56:53,800 --> 05:56:55,800 know for day of freedom, you have to have 5 days of you know 12582 05:56:55,800 --> 05:56:57,766 have to have 5 days of you know incarceration really, But when 12583 05:56:57,766 --> 05:56:59,334 incarceration really, But when did you make that up from? I I 12584 05:56:59,334 --> 05:57:01,800 did you make that up from? I I know it’s outrageous. isn’t it? 12585 05:57:01,800 --> 05:57:03,434 know it’s outrageous. isn’t it? No. What can we do? Well? I 12586 05:57:03,434 --> 05:57:04,133 No. What can we do? Well? I think we just have to continue 12587 05:57:04,133 --> 05:57:06,199 think we just have to continue to do what we are doing. I mean 12588 05:57:06,199 --> 05:57:07,399 to do what we are doing. I mean we will continue to do what 12589 05:57:07,399 --> 05:57:08,800 we will continue to do what we’re doing here at you. I know 12590 05:57:08,800 --> 05:57:10,733 we’re doing here at you. I know Felix as a uh as a as an 12591 05:57:10,733 --> 05:57:13,034 Felix as a uh as a as an individual with. Of sound mind 12592 05:57:13,034 --> 05:57:14,466 individual with. Of sound mind are capable of fighting it 12593 05:57:14,466 --> 05:57:15,933 are capable of fighting it internally even if you don’t do 12594 05:57:15,933 --> 05:57:17,367 internally even if you don’t do any externally and I think we 12595 05:57:17,367 --> 05:57:18,434 any externally and I think we just have to get along with it 12596 05:57:18,434 --> 05:57:19,900 just have to get along with it and eventually we’ll go away 12597 05:57:19,900 --> 05:57:21,233 and eventually we’ll go away because in the end, you know 12598 05:57:21,233 --> 05:57:22,366 because in the end, you know all of the madness will 12599 05:57:22,366 --> 05:57:23,500 all of the madness will disappear and it might be this 12600 05:57:23,500 --> 05:57:25,267 disappear and it might be this time next year it might be in 12601 05:57:25,267 --> 05:57:26,334 time next year it might be in the spring, but we’ll be 12602 05:57:26,334 --> 05:57:27,434 the spring, but we’ll be sitting around in a pub 12603 05:57:27,434 --> 05:57:28,166 sitting around in a pub somewhere having a drink. Don’t 12604 05:57:28,166 --> 05:57:29,334 somewhere having a drink. Don’t you remember what it was like 12605 05:57:29,334 --> 05:57:31,766 you remember what it was like when we could do this. Yeah in 12606 05:57:31,766 --> 05:57:33,667 when we could do this. Yeah in the uh crashed out crater of 12607 05:57:33,667 --> 05:57:36,899 the uh crashed out crater of our ??? you know our smashed 12608 05:57:36,899 --> 05:57:37,867 our ??? you know our smashed economy. We’re always find a 12609 05:57:37,867 --> 05:57:39,333 economy. We’re always find a way to have a drink. That’s 12610 05:57:39,333 --> 05:57:40,234 way to have a drink. That’s what I would say to people, but 12611 05:57:40,234 --> 05:57:41,834 what I would say to people, but you know. Yeah, you’re right, 12612 05:57:41,834 --> 05:57:43,133 you know. Yeah, you’re right, but I think you can’t give up 12613 05:57:43,133 --> 05:57:44,967 but I think you can’t give up is all I would say I know it 12614 05:57:44,967 --> 05:57:46,300 is all I would say I know it feels like you should 12615 05:57:46,300 --> 05:57:47,967 feels like you should sometimes, but you can’t. I 12616 05:57:47,967 --> 05:57:51,167 sometimes, but you can’t. I won’t let you know. 12617 05:57:51,399 --> 05:57:54,933 I know it. What uh Jeff Norco 12618 05:57:54,933 --> 05:57:57,433 I know it. What uh Jeff Norco the comedian the other day that 12619 05:57:57,433 --> 05:57:59,767 the comedian the other day that it turns out that um my freedom 12620 05:57:59,767 --> 05:58:02,267 it turns out that um my freedom boiled down to draft beer and 12621 05:58:02,267 --> 05:58:05,034 boiled down to draft beer and uh starters yes, and that’s 12622 05:58:05,034 --> 05:58:06,466 uh starters yes, and that’s about how I feel. Oh, yeah, 12623 05:58:06,466 --> 05:58:08,933 about how I feel. Oh, yeah, I’ve I feel that my freedom to 12624 05:58:08,933 --> 05:58:10,334 I’ve I feel that my freedom to uh go to the pub and go to a to 12625 05:58:10,334 --> 05:58:11,967 uh go to the pub and go to a to a restaurant being violated. 12626 05:58:11,967 --> 05:58:13,267 a restaurant being violated. Yeah this government and it 12627 05:58:13,267 --> 05:58:14,600 Yeah this government and it seems like a small thing to 12628 05:58:14,600 --> 05:58:17,034 seems like a small thing to some people, but it’s really 12629 05:58:17,034 --> 05:58:18,467 some people, but it’s really not because it actually defines 12630 05:58:18,467 --> 05:58:19,966 not because it actually defines who we are. You know one of the 12631 05:58:19,966 --> 05:58:21,199 who we are. You know one of the things that I’ve noticed over 12632 05:58:21,199 --> 05:58:22,000 things that I’ve noticed over time and it’s been happening 12633 05:58:22,000 --> 05:58:24,533 time and it’s been happening here in London. You can get a 12634 05:58:24,533 --> 05:58:25,300 here in London. You can get a drink. There are certain places 12635 05:58:25,300 --> 05:58:27,067 drink. There are certain places where it will happen and it’s 12636 05:58:27,067 --> 05:58:27,799 where it will happen and it’s not against the rules. It’s not 12637 05:58:27,799 --> 05:58:28,867 not against the rules. It’s not against the law. It’s just 12638 05:58:28,867 --> 05:58:30,766 against the law. It’s just people being smart and clever 12639 05:58:30,766 --> 05:58:33,167 people being smart and clever and using the law uh to to to 12640 05:58:33,167 --> 05:58:34,367 and using the law uh to to to access certain things right, 12641 05:58:34,367 --> 05:58:35,467 access certain things right, you can have a takeaway beer. 12642 05:58:35,467 --> 05:58:36,899 you can have a takeaway beer. you can go to a place that will 12643 05:58:36,899 --> 05:58:38,133 you can go to a place that will sell you a takeaway beer as 12644 05:58:38,133 --> 05:58:39,434 sell you a takeaway beer as long as you take it away. 12645 05:58:39,434 --> 05:58:40,900 long as you take it away. That’s fine and the ingenuity 12646 05:58:40,900 --> 05:58:43,034 That’s fine and the ingenuity of people in this country to 12647 05:58:43,034 --> 05:58:44,301 of people in this country to find ways of drinking outside 12648 05:58:44,301 --> 05:58:46,967 find ways of drinking outside is quite remarkable and that 12649 05:58:46,967 --> 05:58:48,434 is quite remarkable and that gives me great comfort. Yeah. 12650 05:58:48,434 --> 05:58:50,967 gives me great comfort. Yeah. But it’s not the same. It’s 12651 05:58:50,967 --> 05:58:52,333 But it’s not the same. It’s it’s not the same. What yeah, 12652 05:58:52,333 --> 05:58:52,999 it’s not the same. What yeah, but what I’m saying is that 12653 05:58:52,999 --> 05:58:54,166 but what I’m saying is that we’re not they’re not stopping 12654 05:58:54,166 --> 05:58:55,133 we’re not they’re not stopping us doing it. They’re just 12655 05:58:55,133 --> 05:58:57,933 us doing it. They’re just making us find new. Ways of 12656 05:58:57,933 --> 05:59:00,233 making us find new. Ways of getting around it, Yeah, but I 12657 05:59:00,233 --> 05:59:01,834 getting around it, Yeah, but I just find especially coming up 12658 05:59:01,834 --> 05:59:02,733 just find especially coming up to the weekend. Now. Yeah, you 12659 05:59:02,733 --> 05:59:03,767 to the weekend. Now. Yeah, you know, I don’t really go out 12660 05:59:03,767 --> 05:59:05,799 know, I don’t really go out during the week, but um it’s 12661 05:59:05,799 --> 05:59:07,466 during the week, but um it’s just the fact that I can’t you 12662 05:59:07,466 --> 05:59:09,067 just the fact that I can’t you know. I know no, I know and 12663 05:59:09,067 --> 05:59:10,366 know. I know no, I know and that’s frustrating. Absolutely. 12664 05:59:10,366 --> 05:59:12,333 that’s frustrating. Absolutely. that’s absolutely and I share 12665 05:59:12,333 --> 05:59:13,499 that’s absolutely and I share your frustration. but all I’m 12666 05:59:13,499 --> 05:59:15,399 your frustration. but all I’m saying is that this will be a 12667 05:59:15,399 --> 05:59:16,466 saying is that this will be a day that you don’t feel great 12668 05:59:16,466 --> 05:59:18,366 day that you don’t feel great about it, but then maybe 12669 05:59:18,366 --> 05:59:19,333 about it, but then maybe tomorrow will be a better day. 12670 05:59:19,333 --> 05:59:20,934 tomorrow will be a better day. Yeah. What annoys me too is 12671 05:59:20,934 --> 05:59:23,467 Yeah. What annoys me too is then they’re now the vaccines 12672 05:59:23,467 --> 05:59:25,834 then they’re now the vaccines on the horizon that is being 12673 05:59:25,834 --> 05:59:27,799 on the horizon that is being used as a way of carrying on 12674 05:59:27,799 --> 05:59:30,567 used as a way of carrying on with lock down. Oh, just you 12675 05:59:30,567 --> 05:59:32,767 with lock down. Oh, just you know it’s all over the hill. 12676 05:59:32,767 --> 05:59:34,700 know it’s all over the hill. It’s you know, yeah another um 12677 05:59:34,700 --> 05:59:37,300 It’s you know, yeah another um pot of gold over this rainbow 12678 05:59:37,300 --> 05:59:38,967 pot of gold over this rainbow you know just like every other 12679 05:59:38,967 --> 05:59:40,867 you know just like every other game changing thing that they 12680 05:59:40,867 --> 05:59:42,367 game changing thing that they were was gonna happen. You 12681 05:59:42,367 --> 05:59:43,867 were was gonna happen. You know, it’s all illusion. I know 12682 05:59:43,867 --> 05:59:45,299 know, it’s all illusion. I know I mean I’ve got now First 12683 05:59:45,299 --> 05:59:46,767 I mean I’ve got now First Minister Nicholas Sturgeon 12684 05:59:46,767 --> 05:59:47,967 Minister Nicholas Sturgeon telling us that thirty-two 12685 05:59:47,967 --> 05:59:50,434 telling us that thirty-two people have died uh in Scotland 12686 05:59:50,434 --> 05:59:52,834 people have died uh in Scotland right um over the last 24 hours 12687 05:59:52,834 --> 05:59:54,833 right um over the last 24 hours about 1600 people have died in 12688 05:59:54,833 --> 05:59:56,799 about 1600 people have died in Britain, but as a result of 12689 05:59:56,799 --> 05:59:58,033 Britain, but as a result of thirty-two uh you can’t go to 12690 05:59:58,033 --> 06:00:00,567 thirty-two uh you can’t go to Scotland great. The media 12691 06:00:00,567 --> 06:00:02,000 Scotland great. The media haven’t helped they really have 12692 06:00:02,000 --> 06:00:04,533 haven’t helped they really have it, They seem to have forgotten 12693 06:00:04,533 --> 06:00:06,766 it, They seem to have forgotten what it is to use a percentage 12694 06:00:06,766 --> 06:00:08,234 what it is to use a percentage well, they forgot how to use a 12695 06:00:08,234 --> 06:00:09,267 well, they forgot how to use a lot of things including common 12696 06:00:09,267 --> 06:00:10,000 lot of things including common sense and brain power. But 12697 06:00:10,000 --> 06:00:11,234 sense and brain power. But they’re un skepticism. but 12698 06:00:11,234 --> 06:00:12,533 they’re un skepticism. but there we are listen. I gotta 12699 06:00:12,533 --> 06:00:14,000 there we are listen. I gotta run Felix somebody we’re using 12700 06:00:14,000 --> 06:00:15,900 run Felix somebody we’re using a very blunt instrument on me 12701 06:00:15,900 --> 06:00:17,334 a very blunt instrument on me cuz we’ve been a bit late to go 12702 06:00:17,334 --> 06:00:18,166 cuz we’ve been a bit late to go to the news. It’s Charlotte 12703 06:00:18,166 --> 06:00:21,967 to the news. It’s Charlotte Fisher Talk Radio half hour 12704 06:00:21,967 --> 06:00:23,767 Fisher Talk Radio half hour headlines the home home 12705 06:00:23,767 --> 06:00:24,367 headlines the home home secretary has apologized after 12706 06:00:24,367 --> 06:00:26,266 secretary has apologized after an inquiry into bullying claims 12707 06:00:26,266 --> 06:00:27,899 an inquiry into bullying claims saying she’s sorry that my 12708 06:00:27,899 --> 06:00:29,433 saying she’s sorry that my behavior in the past has upset 12709 06:00:29,433 --> 06:00:30,699 behavior in the past has upset people. Boris Johnson is 12710 06:00:30,699 --> 06:00:32,733 people. Boris Johnson is standing by. Pretty Patel and 12711 06:00:32,733 --> 06:00:34,333 standing by. Pretty Patel and has decided that she did not 12712 06:00:34,333 --> 06:00:35,767 has decided that she did not breach the ministerial code 12713 06:00:35,767 --> 06:00:36,833 breach the ministerial code even though the inquiry 12714 06:00:36,833 --> 06:00:38,400 even though the inquiry concluded differently, This is 12715 06:00:38,400 --> 06:00:39,899 concluded differently, This is prompted the resignation of the 12716 06:00:39,899 --> 06:00:41,266 prompted the resignation of the prime minister’s adviser 12717 06:00:41,266 --> 06:00:43,466 prime minister’s adviser Ministerial standards. Alex 12718 06:00:43,466 --> 06:00:44,434 Ministerial standards. Alex Allen, who oversaw the report 12719 06:00:44,434 --> 06:00:46,333 Allen, who oversaw the report into Miss Pat’s Behavior 12720 06:00:46,333 --> 06:00:47,899 into Miss Pat’s Behavior Conservative MP Bernard Jenkins 12721 06:00:47,899 --> 06:00:48,833 Conservative MP Bernard Jenkins says there’s no reason for the 12722 06:00:48,833 --> 06:00:50,434 says there’s no reason for the home Secretary to leave her 12723 06:00:50,434 --> 06:00:52,733 home Secretary to leave her job. The fact that the report 12724 06:00:52,733 --> 06:00:54,300 job. The fact that the report is actually quite finely 12725 06:00:54,300 --> 06:00:55,899 is actually quite finely balanced describes her behavior 12726 06:00:55,899 --> 06:00:57,200 balanced describes her behavior as unintentional. I understand 12727 06:00:57,200 --> 06:00:58,367 as unintentional. I understand the opposition have to do their 12728 06:00:58,367 --> 06:01:00,000 the opposition have to do their job and call for her 12729 06:01:00,000 --> 06:01:00,866 job and call for her resignation, but the prime 12730 06:01:00,866 --> 06:01:01,800 resignation, but the prime minister has to keep the 12731 06:01:01,800 --> 06:01:03,466 minister has to keep the government. Show on the road 12732 06:01:03,466 --> 06:01:05,200 government. Show on the road and I think that’s achieved by 12733 06:01:05,200 --> 06:01:07,800 and I think that’s achieved by keeping her in her post earlier 12734 06:01:07,800 --> 06:01:08,799 keeping her in her post earlier today, Health Secretary Matt 12735 06:01:08,799 --> 06:01:10,400 today, Health Secretary Matt Hancock reacted to the reports 12736 06:01:10,400 --> 06:01:12,000 Hancock reacted to the reports into pretty Patel and said she 12737 06:01:12,000 --> 06:01:13,833 into pretty Patel and said she is very focused and in his 12738 06:01:13,833 --> 06:01:15,366 is very focused and in his opinion is doing a great job. 12739 06:01:15,366 --> 06:01:17,899 opinion is doing a great job. The truth is that she’s also 12740 06:01:17,899 --> 06:01:18,600 The truth is that she’s also absolutely determined to 12741 06:01:18,600 --> 06:01:21,466 absolutely determined to deliver on the priorities on 12742 06:01:21,466 --> 06:01:23,466 deliver on the priorities on which we were elected like uh 12743 06:01:23,466 --> 06:01:24,799 which we were elected like uh hiring 20000 more police to 12744 06:01:24,799 --> 06:01:27,634 hiring 20000 more police to keep people safe and uh that’s 12745 06:01:27,634 --> 06:01:29,767 keep people safe and uh that’s been she’s been delivering that 12746 06:01:29,767 --> 06:01:31,966 been she’s been delivering that we’ve already had over 5000 so 12747 06:01:31,966 --> 06:01:35,634 we’ve already had over 5000 so um the uh. II think that uh is 12748 06:01:35,634 --> 06:01:38,000 um the uh. II think that uh is doing an excellent job in other 12749 06:01:38,000 --> 06:01:39,634 doing an excellent job in other news this afternoon and have 12750 06:01:39,634 --> 06:01:41,299 news this afternoon and have submitted the coronavirus 12751 06:01:41,299 --> 06:01:42,733 submitted the coronavirus vaccine for emergency 12752 06:01:42,733 --> 06:01:44,333 vaccine for emergency authorization in the US. This 12753 06:01:44,333 --> 06:01:45,634 authorization in the US. This means it could be used to treat 12754 06:01:45,634 --> 06:01:46,766 means it could be used to treat people at high risk in the 12755 06:01:46,766 --> 06:01:48,333 people at high risk in the country by mid December, the 12756 06:01:48,333 --> 06:01:49,266 country by mid December, the the UK has already ordered 12757 06:01:49,266 --> 06:01:51,200 the UK has already ordered enough of the vaccine to treat 12758 06:01:51,200 --> 06:01:52,367 enough of the vaccine to treat 20000000 people, but it has not 12759 06:01:52,367 --> 06:01:54,000 20000000 people, but it has not yet been approved and unions 12760 06:01:54,000 --> 06:01:54,833 yet been approved and unions have called on the chancellor 12761 06:01:54,833 --> 06:01:56,400 have called on the chancellor not to freeze the pay of 12762 06:01:56,400 --> 06:01:57,966 not to freeze the pay of millions of public sector 12763 06:01:57,966 --> 06:01:59,466 millions of public sector workers, meaning they won’t get 12764 06:01:59,466 --> 06:02:01,800 workers, meaning they won’t get any pay increase pay increase 12765 06:02:01,800 --> 06:02:02,699 any pay increase pay increase for at least a year tax plans, 12766 06:02:02,699 --> 06:02:04,866 for at least a year tax plans, which excludes. Ns front line 12767 06:02:04,866 --> 06:02:06,099 which excludes. Ns front line staff Hope to save 2000000000 12768 06:02:06,099 --> 06:02:07,634 staff Hope to save 2000000000 pounds as he tries to claw back 12769 06:02:07,634 --> 06:02:09,299 pounds as he tries to claw back some of the money spent during 12770 06:02:09,299 --> 06:02:10,833 some of the money spent during the pandemic and looking at the 12771 06:02:10,833 --> 06:02:12,500 the pandemic and looking at the weather, Cloudy and windy for 12772 06:02:12,500 --> 06:02:13,967 weather, Cloudy and windy for most of today outbreaks of rain 12773 06:02:13,967 --> 06:02:15,366 most of today outbreaks of rain in the west that will move 12774 06:02:15,366 --> 06:02:17,299 in the west that will move gradually east but dry by this 12775 06:02:17,299 --> 06:02:20,600 gradually east but dry by this evening across the UK online on 12776 06:02:20,600 --> 06:02:23,366 evening across the UK online on D and on your smart speaker 12777 06:02:23,366 --> 06:02:26,799 D and on your smart speaker late night with Crystal on talk 12778 06:02:26,799 --> 06:02:29,034 late night with Crystal on talk Radio Big topics. 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Please gamble Uh that’s gonna 12813 06:03:31,234 --> 06:03:33,067 Please gamble Uh that’s gonna be a very exciting thing that’s 12814 06:03:33,067 --> 06:03:33,799 be a very exciting thing that’s going on uh at the weekend 12815 06:03:33,799 --> 06:03:35,199 going on uh at the weekend right now before we get to the 12816 06:03:35,199 --> 06:03:36,933 right now before we get to the awards, which are also gonna be 12817 06:03:36,933 --> 06:03:37,533 awards, which are also gonna be terribly excited. We’re gonna 12818 06:03:37,533 --> 06:03:38,767 terribly excited. We’re gonna do a bit of home schooling 12819 06:03:38,767 --> 06:03:40,499 do a bit of home schooling because it may well be that 12820 06:03:40,499 --> 06:03:41,234 because it may well be that you’re uh your thoughts are 12821 06:03:41,234 --> 06:03:42,967 you’re uh your thoughts are turning to Christmas. Your 12822 06:03:42,967 --> 06:03:44,301 turning to Christmas. Your thoughts are turning to what to 12823 06:03:44,301 --> 06:03:46,467 thoughts are turning to what to get uh for your children uh for 12824 06:03:46,467 --> 06:03:47,933 get uh for your children uh for your families for maybe for 12825 06:03:47,933 --> 06:03:48,634 your families for maybe for other people’s kids. uh if you 12826 06:03:48,634 --> 06:03:50,367 other people’s kids. uh if you buy presents for them as well 12827 06:03:50,367 --> 06:03:51,800 buy presents for them as well and I’m delighted to say uh 12828 06:03:51,800 --> 06:03:52,733 and I’m delighted to say uh we’re gonna be talking out to 12829 06:03:52,733 --> 06:03:54,634 we’re gonna be talking out to gamble financial journalist and 12830 06:03:54,634 --> 06:03:55,767 gamble financial journalist and blogger at your best friend’s 12831 06:03:55,767 --> 06:03:58,599 blogger at your best friend’s guide to cash.co.uk car very 12832 06:03:58,599 --> 06:04:00,333 guide to cash.co.uk car very good afternoon to you. Welcome. 12833 06:04:00,333 --> 06:04:02,301 good afternoon to you. Welcome. Hi. thanks for having me not at 12834 06:04:02,301 --> 06:04:03,833 Hi. thanks for having me not at all now. A lot of people wonder 12835 06:04:03,833 --> 06:04:05,300 all now. A lot of people wonder about how to educate their kids 12836 06:04:05,300 --> 06:04:06,634 about how to educate their kids about money and how to get 12837 06:04:06,634 --> 06:04:08,133 about money and how to get their kids started with sort of 12838 06:04:08,133 --> 06:04:09,967 their kids started with sort of various different bank accounts 12839 06:04:09,967 --> 06:04:10,767 various different bank accounts or various different things. 12840 06:04:10,767 --> 06:04:13,233 or various different things. There’s some quite interesting. 12841 06:04:13,233 --> 06:04:14,834 There’s some quite interesting. Of introducing that to kids at 12842 06:04:14,834 --> 06:04:16,301 Of introducing that to kids at Christmas, isn’t it like ways 12843 06:04:16,301 --> 06:04:18,967 Christmas, isn’t it like ways of junior Isis and maybe we 12844 06:04:18,967 --> 06:04:19,933 of junior Isis and maybe we were we’re hearing earlier 12845 06:04:19,933 --> 06:04:21,367 were we’re hearing earlier today, you can even get 12846 06:04:21,367 --> 06:04:22,766 today, you can even get pensions now for kids. Yes, 12847 06:04:22,766 --> 06:04:24,300 pensions now for kids. Yes, absolutely so there are ways 12848 06:04:24,300 --> 06:04:25,834 absolutely so there are ways for you to give financial gifts 12849 06:04:25,834 --> 06:04:27,934 for you to give financial gifts to your children that will last 12850 06:04:27,934 --> 06:04:30,766 to your children that will last a lot longer than say the new 12851 06:04:30,766 --> 06:04:32,700 a lot longer than say the new PlayStation Yeah, you can do a 12852 06:04:32,700 --> 06:04:34,800 PlayStation Yeah, you can do a lot of us know about our junior 12853 06:04:34,800 --> 06:04:37,434 lot of us know about our junior Isis so you can it’s a 12854 06:04:37,434 --> 06:04:38,933 Isis so you can it’s a long-term savings account for 12855 06:04:38,933 --> 06:04:39,967 long-term savings account for children that is tax free very 12856 06:04:39,967 --> 06:04:43,067 children that is tax free very much like the. Savings accounts 12857 06:04:43,067 --> 06:04:43,933 much like the. Savings accounts that you know when I for an 12858 06:04:43,933 --> 06:04:47,234 that you know when I for an adult and you can put in 4368 12859 06:04:47,234 --> 06:04:49,967 adult and you can put in 4368 pounds a year. The problem is 12860 06:04:49,967 --> 06:04:51,267 pounds a year. The problem is that when the kids turn 12861 06:04:51,267 --> 06:04:53,900 that when the kids turn sixteen, they can control this 12862 06:04:53,900 --> 06:04:55,299 sixteen, they can control this account right or they turn 12863 06:04:55,299 --> 06:04:57,267 account right or they turn eighteen they get to do 12864 06:04:57,267 --> 06:04:57,967 eighteen they get to do whatever they want with the 12865 06:04:57,967 --> 06:04:59,634 whatever they want with the money right so a bit of a 12866 06:04:59,634 --> 06:05:01,900 money right so a bit of a gamble, but it is a lot better 12867 06:05:01,900 --> 06:05:03,334 gamble, but it is a lot better than I know if you tell him 12868 06:05:03,334 --> 06:05:05,333 than I know if you tell him that or not if you tell them 12869 06:05:05,333 --> 06:05:06,367 that or not if you tell them that it’s there, I mean if you 12870 06:05:06,367 --> 06:05:07,333 that it’s there, I mean if you don’t tell them like maybe they 12871 06:05:07,333 --> 06:05:08,467 don’t tell them like maybe they don’t know about it. I’m not 12872 06:05:08,467 --> 06:05:09,733 don’t know about it. I’m not suggesting that you keep things 12873 06:05:09,733 --> 06:05:10,500 suggesting that you keep things from them, but you know what I 12874 06:05:10,500 --> 06:05:12,267 from them, but you know what I mean. I mean if I’m right, 12875 06:05:12,267 --> 06:05:13,899 mean. I mean if I’m right, absolutely an option. I mean 12876 06:05:13,899 --> 06:05:15,267 absolutely an option. I mean you know they don’t they don’t 12877 06:05:15,267 --> 06:05:16,000 you know they don’t they don’t know they can’t really get 12878 06:05:16,000 --> 06:05:18,133 know they can’t really get their hands on so. Right well, 12879 06:05:18,133 --> 06:05:19,567 their hands on so. Right well, so I mean, would you say it’s 12880 06:05:19,567 --> 06:05:21,334 so I mean, would you say it’s worth doing? I mean my two 12881 06:05:21,334 --> 06:05:23,034 worth doing? I mean my two teenagers are like 1613 is it 12882 06:05:23,034 --> 06:05:24,567 teenagers are like 1613 is it is it not worth doing for the 12883 06:05:24,567 --> 06:05:25,567 is it not worth doing for the 16 year old and maybe worth 12884 06:05:25,567 --> 06:05:27,467 16 year old and maybe worth doing for the thirteen year-old 12885 06:05:27,467 --> 06:05:29,800 doing for the thirteen year-old well it is with the within um 12886 06:05:29,800 --> 06:05:31,100 well it is with the within um investing. It’s always good to 12887 06:05:31,100 --> 06:05:32,399 investing. It’s always good to play a long game so the longer 12888 06:05:32,399 --> 06:05:33,766 play a long game so the longer the money is in there the 12889 06:05:33,766 --> 06:05:36,567 the money is in there the better it will be um there’s 12890 06:05:36,567 --> 06:05:37,767 better it will be um there’s also an alternative you can set 12891 06:05:37,767 --> 06:05:39,434 also an alternative you can set up a pension for your children 12892 06:05:39,434 --> 06:05:41,967 up a pension for your children and then figures are shocking 12893 06:05:41,967 --> 06:05:45,199 and then figures are shocking at how the what the result can 12894 06:05:45,199 --> 06:05:46,399 at how the what the result can be so if you put in a month 12895 06:05:46,399 --> 06:05:48,733 be so if you put in a month into. A pension a junior sip, 12896 06:05:48,733 --> 06:05:50,901 into. A pension a junior sip, which is a self invested 12897 06:05:50,901 --> 06:05:52,733 which is a self invested personal pension fifty pounds a 12898 06:05:52,733 --> 06:05:54,800 personal pension fifty pounds a month until they’re eighteen 12899 06:05:54,800 --> 06:05:56,334 month until they’re eighteen they could end up by the time 12900 06:05:56,334 --> 06:05:58,800 they could end up by the time they’re 68, assuming it’s a 5% 12901 06:05:58,800 --> 06:06:02,901 they’re 68, assuming it’s a 5% return with a whopping 210000. 12902 06:06:02,901 --> 06:06:04,900 return with a whopping 210000. 210200. 210232 pounds in a pen. 12903 06:06:04,900 --> 06:06:06,900 210200. 210232 pounds in a pen. That’s not bad. Is it what 12904 06:06:06,900 --> 06:06:08,267 That’s not bad. Is it what about you seems to remember in 12905 06:06:08,267 --> 06:06:09,933 about you seems to remember in the distant past that uh when 12906 06:06:09,933 --> 06:06:11,434 the distant past that uh when Gordon Brown was in charge uh 12907 06:06:11,434 --> 06:06:13,800 Gordon Brown was in charge uh of the treasury, he did, he not 12908 06:06:13,800 --> 06:06:15,100 of the treasury, he did, he not introduce a kind of a payment 12909 06:06:15,100 --> 06:06:16,999 introduce a kind of a payment for kids when they were born. I 12910 06:06:16,999 --> 06:06:18,467 for kids when they were born. I see I’ve forgotten what. 12911 06:06:18,467 --> 06:06:20,234 see I’ve forgotten what. Happened to it now um, but I 12912 06:06:20,234 --> 06:06:21,500 Happened to it now um, but I think it was something that 12913 06:06:21,500 --> 06:06:23,734 think it was something that they started and paid into for 12914 06:06:23,734 --> 06:06:24,733 they started and paid into for a while, and it stopped. I 12915 06:06:24,733 --> 06:06:26,900 a while, and it stopped. I think yes, that was the child 12916 06:06:26,900 --> 06:06:28,667 think yes, that was the child Trust fund and that came up um 12917 06:06:28,667 --> 06:06:30,767 Trust fund and that came up um a few years ago, but it ended 12918 06:06:30,767 --> 06:06:33,234 a few years ago, but it ended pretty quickly. It was 200 um 12919 06:06:33,234 --> 06:06:36,301 pretty quickly. It was 200 um payout to kids um and but sadly 12920 06:06:36,301 --> 06:06:37,933 payout to kids um and but sadly my it wasn’t around when I had 12921 06:06:37,933 --> 06:06:40,000 my it wasn’t around when I had a child so you can’t rely on 12922 06:06:40,000 --> 06:06:40,733 a child so you can’t rely on the government once again, you 12923 06:06:40,733 --> 06:06:42,533 the government once again, you know they they dangle something 12924 06:06:42,533 --> 06:06:43,367 know they they dangle something in front of you and then they 12925 06:06:43,367 --> 06:06:43,967 in front of you and then they take it away again. Terrific 12926 06:06:43,967 --> 06:06:46,599 take it away again. Terrific isn’t it now in terms of giving 12927 06:06:46,599 --> 06:06:48,634 isn’t it now in terms of giving money as a gift? Um I’m looking 12928 06:06:48,634 --> 06:06:51,399 money as a gift? Um I’m looking at go Henry. Is a card I think 12929 06:06:51,399 --> 06:06:52,767 at go Henry. Is a card I think we’ve talked about this before 12930 06:06:52,767 --> 06:06:54,334 we’ve talked about this before uh which a lot of parents quite 12931 06:06:54,334 --> 06:06:55,334 uh which a lot of parents quite like because it’s it’s a sort 12932 06:06:55,334 --> 06:06:56,933 like because it’s it’s a sort of it’s it’s kind of teaches 12933 06:06:56,933 --> 06:06:58,500 of it’s it’s kind of teaches kids how to use a credit card 12934 06:06:58,500 --> 06:07:00,867 kids how to use a credit card effectively right? Yes. Well, 12935 06:07:00,867 --> 06:07:02,000 effectively right? Yes. Well, it’s basically it’s like a 12936 06:07:02,000 --> 06:07:03,300 it’s basically it’s like a debit card. so it’s like a bank 12937 06:07:03,300 --> 06:07:04,133 debit card. so it’s like a bank account that the parents keep 12938 06:07:04,133 --> 06:07:07,267 account that the parents keep their eyes on and it’s like it 12939 06:07:07,267 --> 06:07:08,934 their eyes on and it’s like it teaches children how to use 12940 06:07:08,934 --> 06:07:10,301 teaches children how to use kind of virtual money or 12941 06:07:10,301 --> 06:07:12,000 kind of virtual money or non-physical cash and it you 12942 06:07:12,000 --> 06:07:14,200 non-physical cash and it you know they can earn pocket money 12943 06:07:14,200 --> 06:07:17,100 know they can earn pocket money and is really well um you know 12944 06:07:17,100 --> 06:07:18,733 and is really well um you know the parents really do have not 12945 06:07:18,733 --> 06:07:20,000 the parents really do have not keep an eye. And everything so 12946 06:07:20,000 --> 06:07:21,301 keep an eye. And everything so that they can help kind of 12947 06:07:21,301 --> 06:07:23,434 that they can help kind of teach the children how to use 12948 06:07:23,434 --> 06:07:25,233 teach the children how to use it in a respectable way right, 12949 06:07:25,233 --> 06:07:27,433 it in a respectable way right, but I don’t know I mean my 12950 06:07:27,433 --> 06:07:29,300 but I don’t know I mean my daughter who’s seven if she 12951 06:07:29,300 --> 06:07:31,467 daughter who’s seven if she opened a debit card um for 12952 06:07:31,467 --> 06:07:32,133 opened a debit card um for Christmas, she might be a 12953 06:07:32,133 --> 06:07:33,733 Christmas, she might be a little bit um disappointed, but 12954 06:07:33,733 --> 06:07:35,600 little bit um disappointed, but there are some toys that you 12955 06:07:35,600 --> 06:07:36,800 there are some toys that you can actually use that teach 12956 06:07:36,800 --> 06:07:38,334 can actually use that teach children lots of different um 12957 06:07:38,334 --> 06:07:40,933 children lots of different um types of lessons about personal 12958 06:07:40,933 --> 06:07:42,334 types of lessons about personal finance. Okay. So so give us a 12959 06:07:42,334 --> 06:07:43,799 finance. Okay. So so give us a couple of those so parents can 12960 06:07:43,799 --> 06:07:45,334 couple of those so parents can maybe go and find them well. 12961 06:07:45,334 --> 06:07:47,800 maybe go and find them well. It’s the the classic games like 12962 06:07:47,800 --> 06:07:49,434 It’s the the classic games like monopoly, you might think that 12963 06:07:49,434 --> 06:07:50,834 monopoly, you might think that monopoly is just you know one 12964 06:07:50,834 --> 06:07:52,267 monopoly is just you know one of those games that goes on for 12965 06:07:52,267 --> 06:07:53,767 of those games that goes on for hours and ends with someone 12966 06:07:53,767 --> 06:07:54,599 hours and ends with someone flipping the boards over 12967 06:07:54,599 --> 06:07:57,301 flipping the boards over because they. Yeah, which 12968 06:07:57,301 --> 06:07:58,667 because they. Yeah, which always me because I was always 12969 06:07:58,667 --> 06:07:59,900 always me because I was always the one that lost because I was 12970 06:07:59,900 --> 06:08:01,233 the one that lost because I was the youngest in my house. You 12971 06:08:01,233 --> 06:08:02,399 the youngest in my house. You know what I discovered over 12972 06:08:02,399 --> 06:08:05,034 know what I discovered over time that my my father and my 12973 06:08:05,034 --> 06:08:07,434 time that my my father and my sister used to cheat against me 12974 06:08:07,434 --> 06:08:08,999 sister used to cheat against me cuz I was always good at it 12975 06:08:08,999 --> 06:08:09,733 cuz I was always good at it right and they would be massive 12976 06:08:09,733 --> 06:08:11,767 right and they would be massive money to each other secretly uh 12977 06:08:11,767 --> 06:08:12,800 money to each other secretly uh in order to try and keep the 12978 06:08:12,800 --> 06:08:14,399 in order to try and keep the game going for longer. and even 12979 06:08:14,399 --> 06:08:15,767 game going for longer. and even then I still beat them. Oh my 12980 06:08:15,767 --> 06:08:17,399 then I still beat them. Oh my goodness. Well, you know what I 12981 06:08:17,399 --> 06:08:18,467 goodness. Well, you know what I learn today that a game of 12982 06:08:18,467 --> 06:08:19,700 learn today that a game of monopoly is only supposed to 12983 06:08:19,700 --> 06:08:21,467 monopoly is only supposed to last sixty to 90 minutes. Oh, 12984 06:08:21,467 --> 06:08:22,634 last sixty to 90 minutes. Oh, really, yeah. Apparently I’ve 12985 06:08:22,634 --> 06:08:23,834 really, yeah. Apparently I’ve been playing it wrong. well 12986 06:08:23,834 --> 06:08:25,367 been playing it wrong. well this year. That’s good. Yeah. 12987 06:08:25,367 --> 06:08:26,900 this year. That’s good. Yeah. Now do a version of it, which 12988 06:08:26,900 --> 06:08:28,333 Now do a version of it, which is cashless as well. Don’t know 12989 06:08:28,333 --> 06:08:30,967 is cashless as well. Don’t know Yeah, and I think it’s you know 12990 06:08:30,967 --> 06:08:32,301 Yeah, and I think it’s you know some people um experts say that 12991 06:08:32,301 --> 06:08:33,967 some people um experts say that that’s really taking away the 12992 06:08:33,967 --> 06:08:35,267 that’s really taking away the value of teaching children 12993 06:08:35,267 --> 06:08:36,500 value of teaching children about money, but I think it’s 12994 06:08:36,500 --> 06:08:38,800 about money, but I think it’s really important to teach child 12995 06:08:38,800 --> 06:08:40,300 really important to teach child that you know the cash point 12996 06:08:40,300 --> 06:08:41,833 that you know the cash point isn’t just a magical money 12997 06:08:41,833 --> 06:08:43,034 isn’t just a magical money machine right, you know you 12998 06:08:43,034 --> 06:08:44,733 machine right, you know you have to it does kind of if they 12999 06:08:44,733 --> 06:08:45,933 have to it does kind of if they start to get to the practice of 13000 06:08:45,933 --> 06:08:48,334 start to get to the practice of doing it. then it’s you know it 13001 06:08:48,334 --> 06:08:49,800 doing it. then it’s you know it becomes kind of normal but 13002 06:08:49,800 --> 06:08:51,334 becomes kind of normal but monopoly also teaches you know 13003 06:08:51,334 --> 06:08:52,434 monopoly also teaches you know buying and selling property how 13004 06:08:52,434 --> 06:08:55,133 buying and selling property how much it costs to rent an 13005 06:08:55,133 --> 06:08:57,933 much it costs to rent an income. Rules and the rules I 13006 06:08:57,933 --> 06:08:59,800 income. Rules and the rules I think are great cuz it shows 13007 06:08:59,800 --> 06:09:00,467 think are great cuz it shows that borrowing money costs 13008 06:09:00,467 --> 06:09:03,234 that borrowing money costs money um, which is a concept 13009 06:09:03,234 --> 06:09:04,567 money um, which is a concept that is a lot of people don’t 13010 06:09:04,567 --> 06:09:06,133 that is a lot of people don’t learn until much later in life. 13011 06:09:06,133 --> 06:09:08,000 learn until much later in life. No and the other thing I quite 13012 06:09:08,000 --> 06:09:09,334 No and the other thing I quite like in terms of maybe for 13013 06:09:09,334 --> 06:09:11,800 like in terms of maybe for older kids for uh is is shares 13014 06:09:11,800 --> 06:09:13,299 older kids for uh is is shares you know you might buy them 13015 06:09:13,299 --> 06:09:14,033 you know you might buy them some shares and maybe their 13016 06:09:14,033 --> 06:09:16,000 some shares and maybe their favorite clothing company or 13017 06:09:16,000 --> 06:09:17,800 favorite clothing company or their favorite. um you know 13018 06:09:17,800 --> 06:09:19,067 their favorite. um you know Playstation Company, whatever 13019 06:09:19,067 --> 06:09:20,033 Playstation Company, whatever whatever it is that easy to do 13020 06:09:20,033 --> 06:09:21,733 whatever it is that easy to do if you’ve never bought shares 13021 06:09:21,733 --> 06:09:23,300 if you’ve never bought shares before. Yeah, I mean it’s easy 13022 06:09:23,300 --> 06:09:25,067 before. Yeah, I mean it’s easy to do. There’s lots of guides 13023 06:09:25,067 --> 06:09:26,999 to do. There’s lots of guides online. She can help you do 13024 06:09:26,999 --> 06:09:28,667 online. She can help you do that um and you can discuss it 13025 06:09:28,667 --> 06:09:30,000 that um and you can discuss it with your child what they might 13026 06:09:30,000 --> 06:09:31,700 with your child what they might want to invest in. it might be 13027 06:09:31,700 --> 06:09:33,967 want to invest in. it might be that they wanna invest in um 13028 06:09:33,967 --> 06:09:35,334 that they wanna invest in um you know a product. maybe they 13029 06:09:35,334 --> 06:09:37,267 you know a product. maybe they love iPads. they wanna buy 13030 06:09:37,267 --> 06:09:38,767 love iPads. they wanna buy Apple or something like that. 13031 06:09:38,767 --> 06:09:39,667 Apple or something like that. and it’s something that you can 13032 06:09:39,667 --> 06:09:41,233 and it’s something that you can kinda do together and you can 13033 06:09:41,233 --> 06:09:42,833 kinda do together and you can watch how it might go up and 13034 06:09:42,833 --> 06:09:45,334 watch how it might go up and down and it really does teach 13035 06:09:45,334 --> 06:09:46,066 down and it really does teach about a long-term horizon when 13036 06:09:46,066 --> 06:09:48,334 about a long-term horizon when it comes to money right and and 13037 06:09:48,334 --> 06:09:49,567 it comes to money right and and I mean, is there any? I mean 13038 06:09:49,567 --> 06:09:50,999 I mean, is there any? I mean they’re all pitfalls of course 13039 06:09:50,999 --> 06:09:52,334 they’re all pitfalls of course of buying shares from the wrong 13040 06:09:52,334 --> 06:09:53,399 of buying shares from the wrong place. I suppose I mean how do 13041 06:09:53,399 --> 06:09:54,534 place. I suppose I mean how do you ensure that you’re doing it 13042 06:09:54,534 --> 06:09:56,900 you ensure that you’re doing it right? Well, I mean that’s the 13043 06:09:56,900 --> 06:09:58,566 right? Well, I mean that’s the thing with anything to do with 13044 06:09:58,566 --> 06:09:59,399 thing with anything to do with the stock market. It is a bit 13045 06:09:59,399 --> 06:10:00,700 the stock market. It is a bit of a gamble cuz your shares can 13046 06:10:00,700 --> 06:10:02,999 of a gamble cuz your shares can go up as well as go right. 13047 06:10:02,999 --> 06:10:04,699 go up as well as go right. Personally, I like with my 13048 06:10:04,699 --> 06:10:06,833 Personally, I like with my daughter, we say to a junior 13049 06:10:06,833 --> 06:10:08,800 daughter, we say to a junior Isa and so then that way it’s 13050 06:10:08,800 --> 06:10:10,833 Isa and so then that way it’s all the risk is kind of spread 13051 06:10:10,833 --> 06:10:12,900 all the risk is kind of spread and I go up and I have. I don’t 13052 06:10:12,900 --> 06:10:13,900 and I go up and I have. I don’t like to look at it too much at 13053 06:10:13,900 --> 06:10:16,500 like to look at it too much at the moment I have to say but I 13054 06:10:16,500 --> 06:10:17,967 the moment I have to say but I know she’s seven and we won’t 13055 06:10:17,967 --> 06:10:19,134 know she’s seven and we won’t take the money out until she 13056 06:10:19,134 --> 06:10:21,766 take the money out until she said eighteen um hopefully I’ve 13057 06:10:21,766 --> 06:10:23,200 said eighteen um hopefully I’ve got time to kind of ride out 13058 06:10:23,200 --> 06:10:24,733 got time to kind of ride out the storm. Yes, well, let’s 13059 06:10:24,733 --> 06:10:25,900 the storm. Yes, well, let’s hope so cuz there’s always 13060 06:10:25,900 --> 06:10:27,199 hope so cuz there’s always another one on the horizon but 13061 06:10:27,199 --> 06:10:28,366 another one on the horizon but there we are thank you very 13062 06:10:28,366 --> 06:10:29,367 there we are thank you very much Tom financial journalist 13063 06:10:29,367 --> 06:10:30,567 much Tom financial journalist Blogger at your Best friend’s 13064 06:10:30,567 --> 06:10:33,033 Blogger at your Best friend’s guide Cash.co.uk and where I’m 13065 06:10:33,033 --> 06:10:35,100 guide Cash.co.uk and where I’m sure you’ll find all sorts of 13066 06:10:35,100 --> 06:10:36,434 sure you’ll find all sorts of things uh as she just suggested 13067 06:10:36,434 --> 06:10:37,833 things uh as she just suggested there for uh it’s quite 13068 06:10:37,833 --> 06:10:39,333 there for uh it’s quite interesting thing, especially 13069 06:10:39,333 --> 06:10:40,900 interesting thing, especially as kids get a bit older um and 13070 06:10:40,900 --> 06:10:41,967 as kids get a bit older um and you start to wonder what on 13071 06:10:41,967 --> 06:10:43,034 you start to wonder what on earth If you could buy for 13072 06:10:43,034 --> 06:10:43,767 earth If you could buy for them, I mean there’s always 13073 06:10:43,767 --> 06:10:44,967 them, I mean there’s always gonna be you know electronic 13074 06:10:44,967 --> 06:10:46,000 gonna be you know electronic gadgets that they might want 13075 06:10:46,000 --> 06:10:47,500 gadgets that they might want but actually something that’s a 13076 06:10:47,500 --> 06:10:48,999 but actually something that’s a bit more worthwhile and a bit 13077 06:10:48,999 --> 06:10:50,901 bit more worthwhile and a bit more kind of financially sound 13078 06:10:50,901 --> 06:10:52,301 more kind of financially sound uh might be worth doing if you 13079 06:10:52,301 --> 06:10:54,933 uh might be worth doing if you can afford to do it. 03491 13080 06:10:54,933 --> 06:10:55,533 can afford to do it. 03491 thousand. 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New Kent Road is closed westbound of the a two at the 13186 06:14:17,200 --> 06:14:18,333 westbound of the a two at the brick layers Arms junction at 13187 06:14:18,333 --> 06:14:19,899 brick layers Arms junction at Berman because accident are 13188 06:14:19,899 --> 06:14:21,399 Berman because accident are accused towards there in 6812 13189 06:14:21,399 --> 06:14:23,433 accused towards there in 6812 is closed southbound between 13190 06:14:23,433 --> 06:14:25,266 is closed southbound between junctions 25 and 22 from 13191 06:14:25,266 --> 06:14:27,399 junctions 25 and 22 from cultures towards Chelmsford for 13192 06:14:27,399 --> 06:14:28,099 cultures towards Chelmsford for roadwork. That course accused 13193 06:14:28,099 --> 06:14:29,634 roadwork. That course accused the five in the West Midlands 13194 06:14:29,634 --> 06:14:30,866 the five in the West Midlands the northbound exit to the 13195 06:14:30,866 --> 06:14:31,899 the northbound exit to the northbound six near 13196 06:14:31,899 --> 06:14:33,466 northbound six near Birmingham’s close for repairs 13197 06:14:33,466 --> 06:14:35,000 Birmingham’s close for repairs after an accident, The North 13198 06:14:35,000 --> 06:14:36,266 after an accident, The North Annex closed westbound between 13199 06:14:36,266 --> 06:14:38,600 Annex closed westbound between junction seven. And eight from 13200 06:14:38,600 --> 06:14:41,200 junction seven. And eight from east to the m 73 after an 13201 06:14:41,200 --> 06:14:42,367 east to the m 73 after an accident with accused towards 13202 06:14:42,367 --> 06:14:43,734 accident with accused towards that I’m Russell holding the 13203 06:14:43,734 --> 06:14:45,034 that I’m Russell holding the jump season is up and running 13204 06:14:45,034 --> 06:14:46,600 jump season is up and running and as always, it’s those that 13205 06:14:46,600 --> 06:14:47,767 and as always, it’s those that pay close attention to the 13206 06:14:47,767 --> 06:14:50,333 pay close attention to the details who more often get the 13207 06:14:50,333 --> 06:14:51,767 details who more often get the results like on the bed Fair 13208 06:14:51,767 --> 06:14:52,799 results like on the bed Fair Exchange, where you can find 13209 06:14:52,799 --> 06:14:54,833 Exchange, where you can find great arts on racing and giving 13210 06:14:54,833 --> 06:14:56,833 great arts on racing and giving all customers a completely free 13211 06:14:56,833 --> 06:14:58,400 all customers a completely free five pound exchange bet on the 13212 06:14:58,400 --> 06:14:59,734 five pound exchange bet on the be fair Chase this weekend. 13213 06:14:59,734 --> 06:15:01,466 be fair Chase this weekend. place your free bet and enjoy 13214 06:15:01,466 --> 06:15:03,767 place your free bet and enjoy the race live at 3 PM on 13215 06:15:03,767 --> 06:15:05,034 the race live at 3 PM on Saturday. Small details big 13216 06:15:05,034 --> 06:15:07,899 Saturday. Small details big results with be. Max one free 13217 06:15:07,899 --> 06:15:09,466 results with be. Max one free five pound exchange bet per 13218 06:15:09,466 --> 06:15:10,600 five pound exchange bet per customer free bet not included 13219 06:15:10,600 --> 06:15:12,500 customer free bet not included in returns, apply eighteen plus 13220 06:15:12,500 --> 06:15:14,799 in returns, apply eighteen plus be gambling to org O Sullivan 13221 06:15:14,799 --> 06:15:15,966 be gambling to org O Sullivan tomorrow morning from ten on 13222 06:15:15,966 --> 06:15:18,333 tomorrow morning from ten on torque radio kick. Start your 13223 06:15:18,333 --> 06:15:19,899 torque radio kick. Start your weekends with me. Kevin O 13224 06:15:19,899 --> 06:15:20,600 weekends with me. Kevin O Sullivan outspoken. They really 13225 06:15:20,600 --> 06:15:22,300 Sullivan outspoken. They really think they’re gonna pull the 13226 06:15:22,300 --> 06:15:23,899 think they’re gonna pull the wall over our eyes with this 13227 06:15:23,899 --> 06:15:25,567 wall over our eyes with this nonsense outrageous people are 13228 06:15:25,567 --> 06:15:27,767 nonsense outrageous people are mad as hell and often out of 13229 06:15:27,767 --> 06:15:31,767 mad as hell and often out of control. 300 390 94.9 399 999 13230 06:15:31,767 --> 06:15:34,066 control. 300 390 94.9 399 999 hundred 999 when the big stars 13231 06:15:34,066 --> 06:15:35,200 hundred 999 when the big stars talk they talk to me on talk 13232 06:15:35,200 --> 06:15:37,634 talk they talk to me on talk radio. Sullivan tomorrow 13233 06:15:37,634 --> 06:15:40,000 radio. Sullivan tomorrow morning from ten on torque 13234 06:15:40,000 --> 06:15:42,799 morning from ten on torque radio mid morning with Mike 13235 06:15:42,799 --> 06:15:45,299 radio mid morning with Mike Graham Talk Radio The 13236 06:15:45,299 --> 06:15:47,034 Graham Talk Radio The Independent Republic of Mike 13237 06:15:47,034 --> 06:15:49,567 Independent Republic of Mike Graham on Talk radio. It’s 13238 06:15:49,567 --> 06:15:52,000 Graham on Talk radio. It’s Friday it’s 1248 and it’s time 13239 06:15:52,000 --> 06:15:56,200 Friday it’s 1248 and it’s time for this. Ladies and gentlemen 13240 06:15:56,200 --> 06:16:01,034 for this. Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the awards. 13241 06:16:09,299 --> 06:16:11,267 Almost full compliance almost 13242 06:16:11,267 --> 06:16:13,399 Almost full compliance almost not quite yeah, I told them I 13243 06:16:13,399 --> 06:16:15,434 not quite yeah, I told them I was gonna take this month’s 13244 06:16:15,434 --> 06:16:16,734 was gonna take this month’s salary um if they’re starting 13245 06:16:16,734 --> 06:16:17,467 salary um if they’re starting to get the message they are 13246 06:16:17,467 --> 06:16:19,301 to get the message they are starting to get the message. uh 13247 06:16:19,301 --> 06:16:20,766 starting to get the message. uh welcome. nice to see you nice 13248 06:16:20,766 --> 06:16:21,700 welcome. nice to see you nice to see you too. I see you 13249 06:16:21,700 --> 06:16:23,800 to see you too. I see you wearing some uh neck gear. Oh 13250 06:16:23,800 --> 06:16:25,500 wearing some uh neck gear. Oh yes uh as I said as I pointed 13251 06:16:25,500 --> 06:16:27,634 yes uh as I said as I pointed out last week, it’s uh freezing 13252 06:16:27,634 --> 06:16:29,067 out last week, it’s uh freezing in here. It is cold. It’s like 13253 06:16:29,067 --> 06:16:30,667 in here. It is cold. It’s like uh one of those worries that uh 13254 06:16:30,667 --> 06:16:32,967 uh one of those worries that uh you know drive sausages around 13255 06:16:32,967 --> 06:16:35,200 you know drive sausages around the country. It’s like yeah, 13256 06:16:35,200 --> 06:16:37,034 the country. It’s like yeah, Okay, I thought you would. It’s 13257 06:16:37,034 --> 06:16:38,334 Okay, I thought you would. It’s a good fellas where they hug 13258 06:16:38,334 --> 06:16:39,933 a good fellas where they hug people up in the back of them. 13259 06:16:39,933 --> 06:16:41,467 people up in the back of them. Yes, that one great film. It is 13260 06:16:41,467 --> 06:16:42,766 Yes, that one great film. It is a very good great film. It is 13261 06:16:42,766 --> 06:16:44,133 a very good great film. It is um anyway good afternoon. Thank 13262 06:16:44,133 --> 06:16:46,634 um anyway good afternoon. Thank you and welcome to the awards 13263 06:16:46,634 --> 06:16:47,367 you and welcome to the awards here we go. This is where we 13264 06:16:47,367 --> 06:16:49,399 here we go. This is where we look back over the past week of 13265 06:16:49,399 --> 06:16:51,833 look back over the past week of of the So-called Independent 13266 06:16:51,833 --> 06:16:52,900 of the So-called Independent Republic of my grandmother and 13267 06:16:52,900 --> 06:16:54,533 Republic of my grandmother and her favorite moments and as 13268 06:16:54,533 --> 06:16:55,800 her favorite moments and as it’s tradition, M. the first 13269 06:16:55,800 --> 06:16:57,434 it’s tradition, M. the first Perry goes to you and it’s the 13270 06:16:57,434 --> 06:16:58,467 Perry goes to you and it’s the classic wrong name of the week. 13271 06:16:58,467 --> 06:17:00,933 classic wrong name of the week. Uh let’s talk to Pete and 13272 06:17:00,933 --> 06:17:03,766 Uh let’s talk to Pete and Hounds. Hi Pete Pete. It’s not 13273 06:17:03,766 --> 06:17:04,900 Hounds. Hi Pete Pete. It’s not over. hello. Sorry, it says 13274 06:17:04,900 --> 06:17:05,599 over. hello. Sorry, it says Pete here in front of me. I 13275 06:17:05,599 --> 06:17:06,100 Pete here in front of me. I don’t know how that happened. 13276 06:17:06,100 --> 06:17:09,567 don’t know how that happened. How are you? 13277 06:17:09,933 --> 06:17:11,334 I know how it’s I don’t know I 13278 06:17:11,334 --> 06:17:12,767 I know how it’s I don’t know I don’t know it’s not the sort of 13279 06:17:12,767 --> 06:17:13,966 don’t know it’s not the sort of thing you miss. here is it Pete 13280 06:17:13,966 --> 06:17:15,334 thing you miss. here is it Pete and Ian don’t sound the same. 13281 06:17:15,334 --> 06:17:18,000 and Ian don’t sound the same. They don’t no. I think you know 13282 06:17:18,000 --> 06:17:19,067 They don’t no. I think you know what it is. sometimes people 13283 06:17:19,067 --> 06:17:20,599 what it is. sometimes people get things wrong. Yes. I’m not 13284 06:17:20,599 --> 06:17:22,133 get things wrong. Yes. I’m not gonna say who say I’m not here 13285 06:17:22,133 --> 06:17:23,467 gonna say who say I’m not here don’t have the finger right but 13286 06:17:23,467 --> 06:17:25,933 don’t have the finger right but people get things wrong uh from 13287 06:17:25,933 --> 06:17:26,999 people get things wrong uh from other shows right and then they 13288 06:17:26,999 --> 06:17:28,634 other shows right and then they just don’t bother correcting 13289 06:17:28,634 --> 06:17:31,233 just don’t bother correcting them right. Well, you see I 13290 06:17:31,233 --> 06:17:33,234 them right. Well, you see I thought that James we gathered 13291 06:17:33,234 --> 06:17:35,399 thought that James we gathered earlier. I I think he it turns 13292 06:17:35,399 --> 06:17:36,066 earlier. I I think he it turns out. He didn’t call me that 13293 06:17:36,066 --> 06:17:38,867 out. He didn’t call me that well, he said. Like it uh we 13294 06:17:38,867 --> 06:17:39,467 well, he said. Like it uh we saw in the control and we’re 13295 06:17:39,467 --> 06:17:41,300 saw in the control and we’re like, Oh Gavin. Yeah. we’re 13296 06:17:41,300 --> 06:17:42,934 like, Oh Gavin. Yeah. we’re like oh like entry to the 13297 06:17:42,934 --> 06:17:44,634 like oh like entry to the Perry’s. I know I wasn’t. 13298 06:17:44,634 --> 06:17:45,267 Perry’s. I know I wasn’t. anyway. good to hear from 13299 06:17:45,267 --> 06:17:46,066 anyway. good to hear from James. Yeah. good to hear from 13300 06:17:46,066 --> 06:17:47,533 James. Yeah. good to hear from everyone really. thank you so 13301 06:17:47,533 --> 06:17:49,233 everyone really. thank you so much for calling the show this 13302 06:17:49,233 --> 06:17:51,133 much for calling the show this week. Man record figures again. 13303 06:17:51,133 --> 06:17:53,533 week. Man record figures again. I know it’s ridiculous. Thank 13304 06:17:53,533 --> 06:17:54,767 I know it’s ridiculous. Thank you all for listening and 13305 06:17:54,767 --> 06:17:56,399 you all for listening and watching now over to our news. 13306 06:17:56,399 --> 06:17:57,800 watching now over to our news. Read Jenny bars where she makes 13307 06:17:57,800 --> 06:17:58,999 Read Jenny bars where she makes it to this week’s list for the 13308 06:17:58,999 --> 06:18:00,267 it to this week’s list for the recovery of the week The 13309 06:18:00,267 --> 06:18:01,434 recovery of the week The weather turning dry in the 13310 06:18:01,434 --> 06:18:02,800 weather turning dry in the north through the morning, but 13311 06:18:02,800 --> 06:18:03,967 north through the morning, but blustery rain for the rest. The 13312 06:18:03,967 --> 06:18:05,967 blustery rain for the rest. The West I’ll start again right 13313 06:18:05,967 --> 06:18:07,299 West I’ll start again right turning dry in the. Through the 13314 06:18:07,299 --> 06:18:08,800 turning dry in the. Through the morning, blustery rain for the 13315 06:18:08,800 --> 06:18:09,767 morning, blustery rain for the west and dry in the southeast 13316 06:18:09,767 --> 06:18:11,767 west and dry in the southeast sunny spells very good to do 13317 06:18:11,767 --> 06:18:12,767 sunny spells very good to do that very well. That’s a lot of 13318 06:18:12,767 --> 06:18:13,933 that very well. That’s a lot of words for the weather isn’t it 13319 06:18:13,933 --> 06:18:16,933 words for the weather isn’t it is a lot of what’s that she had 13320 06:18:16,933 --> 06:18:18,000 is a lot of what’s that she had a little problem with that I 13321 06:18:18,000 --> 06:18:19,533 a little problem with that I know, but listen, she’s only 13322 06:18:19,533 --> 06:18:20,967 know, but listen, she’s only human top pro. She’s only 13323 06:18:20,967 --> 06:18:22,800 human top pro. She’s only humans you know she almost 13324 06:18:22,800 --> 06:18:24,434 humans you know she almost never makes mistakes. no be 13325 06:18:24,434 --> 06:18:26,000 never makes mistakes. no be ever. It’s good, Yes. sometimes 13326 06:18:26,000 --> 06:18:27,100 ever. It’s good, Yes. sometimes there are all the people in 13327 06:18:27,100 --> 06:18:28,767 there are all the people in this room that make mistakes 13328 06:18:28,767 --> 06:18:30,133 this room that make mistakes there are. yeah and by that, I 13329 06:18:30,133 --> 06:18:32,434 there are. yeah and by that, I mean me obviously we we all 13330 06:18:32,434 --> 06:18:33,167 mean me obviously we we all make mistakes. That’s how we 13331 06:18:33,167 --> 06:18:34,367 make mistakes. That’s how we learn you know. it’s how we 13332 06:18:34,367 --> 06:18:35,667 learn you know. it’s how we learn you can’t just get 13333 06:18:35,667 --> 06:18:37,234 learn you can’t just get through life. Without making a 13334 06:18:37,234 --> 06:18:38,400 through life. Without making a mistake, yes and also like this 13335 06:18:38,400 --> 06:18:40,267 mistake, yes and also like this little segment would not 13336 06:18:40,267 --> 06:18:41,899 little segment would not understand would not understand 13337 06:18:41,899 --> 06:18:44,800 understand would not understand would not exist. What is 13338 06:18:44,800 --> 06:18:46,233 would not exist. What is perfect example anyway, Esther 13339 06:18:46,233 --> 06:18:48,267 perfect example anyway, Esther Ranson Uh she joined us earlier 13340 06:18:48,267 --> 06:18:49,067 Ranson Uh she joined us earlier this week to talk about the 13341 06:18:49,067 --> 06:18:50,267 this week to talk about the impact of locked down on the 13342 06:18:50,267 --> 06:18:52,434 impact of locked down on the elderly and bless her. She was 13343 06:18:52,434 --> 06:18:54,000 elderly and bless her. She was the first victim of this week’s 13344 06:18:54,000 --> 06:18:56,767 the first victim of this week’s James Award for Technical 13345 06:18:56,767 --> 06:18:58,166 James Award for Technical incompetence. That’s true if 13346 06:18:58,166 --> 06:18:59,733 incompetence. That’s true if you can show that you’ve had a 13347 06:18:59,733 --> 06:19:00,800 you can show that you’ve had a negative test yesterday or 13348 06:19:00,800 --> 06:19:03,133 negative test yesterday or something uh you ought to be 13349 06:19:03,133 --> 06:19:06,500 something uh you ought to be able to be allowed in. I think 13350 06:19:06,500 --> 06:19:08,033 able to be allowed in. I think we may have lost today. Are you 13351 06:19:08,033 --> 06:19:10,233 we may have lost today. Are you there? We’re trying to get back 13352 06:19:10,233 --> 06:19:11,767 there? We’re trying to get back because uh I think we just 13353 06:19:11,767 --> 06:19:12,800 because uh I think we just dropped the line. Yeah. So Matt 13354 06:19:12,800 --> 06:19:14,467 dropped the line. Yeah. So Matt Hancock is basically promising 13355 06:19:14,467 --> 06:19:15,933 Hancock is basically promising uh that if you want to go and 13356 06:19:15,933 --> 06:19:17,234 uh that if you want to go and see uh your elderly relative, 13357 06:19:17,234 --> 06:19:19,399 see uh your elderly relative, you must have a test which is 13358 06:19:19,399 --> 06:19:20,234 you must have a test which is negative and that would seem to 13359 06:19:20,234 --> 06:19:25,034 negative and that would seem to be the way forward. Esther. 13360 06:19:25,399 --> 06:19:29,133 No no, she’s definitely not 13361 06:19:29,133 --> 06:19:31,599 No no, she’s definitely not there and she claims she was in 13362 06:19:31,599 --> 06:19:32,267 there and she claims she was in a forest. Strange. Do you 13363 06:19:32,267 --> 06:19:33,533 a forest. Strange. Do you remember? yes, I do remember I 13364 06:19:33,533 --> 06:19:35,567 remember? yes, I do remember I think forest she was in as far 13365 06:19:35,567 --> 06:19:37,334 think forest she was in as far as the dean probably Sherwood 13366 06:19:37,334 --> 06:19:39,333 as the dean probably Sherwood Forest. I think forest think 13367 06:19:39,333 --> 06:19:40,767 Forest. I think forest think yeah, the new forest, the new 13368 06:19:40,767 --> 06:19:42,767 yeah, the new forest, the new new forest or the Yeah. uh I 13369 06:19:42,767 --> 06:19:47,567 new forest or the Yeah. uh I don’t know you very good. uh 13370 06:19:47,567 --> 06:19:49,434 don’t know you very good. uh conservative MP and Rosendale 13371 06:19:49,434 --> 06:19:51,734 conservative MP and Rosendale was also a victim of technical 13372 06:19:51,734 --> 06:19:53,100 was also a victim of technical incompetence earlier in the 13373 06:19:53,100 --> 06:19:54,301 incompetence earlier in the week, however, that did not 13374 06:19:54,301 --> 06:19:55,800 week, however, that did not happen when he came on the show 13375 06:19:55,800 --> 06:19:56,933 happen when he came on the show on Tuesday to talk about Zeus 13376 06:19:56,933 --> 06:19:59,733 on Tuesday to talk about Zeus it happened on Wednesday. 13377 06:19:59,733 --> 06:20:00,033 it happened on Wednesday. During prime minister’s 13378 06:20:00,033 --> 06:20:02,533 During prime minister’s questions return, Tom with 13379 06:20:02,533 --> 06:20:07,700 questions return, Tom with Andrew Andrew Rosendale 13380 06:20:09,767 --> 06:20:11,367 Press the button right, Thank 13381 06:20:11,367 --> 06:20:13,967 Press the button right, Thank you. Sorry. Andrew He’s got 13382 06:20:13,967 --> 06:20:15,500 you. Sorry. Andrew He’s got some great flags isn’t he does 13383 06:20:15,500 --> 06:20:17,834 some great flags isn’t he does yes flag of the week? Yes free 13384 06:20:17,834 --> 06:20:20,267 yes flag of the week? Yes free flag he had three flags. We 13385 06:20:20,267 --> 06:20:21,199 flag he had three flags. We like that um during that same 13386 06:20:21,199 --> 06:20:22,300 like that um during that same session of prime minister’s 13387 06:20:22,300 --> 06:20:24,467 session of prime minister’s questions Speaker Lindsay Hoy 13388 06:20:24,467 --> 06:20:26,234 questions Speaker Lindsay Hoy wins the for the correction of 13389 06:20:26,234 --> 06:20:27,434 wins the for the correction of the week and that in my view 13390 06:20:27,434 --> 06:20:29,800 the week and that in my view would be a disaster. He doesn’t 13391 06:20:29,800 --> 06:20:32,867 would be a disaster. He doesn’t think that would be a disaster 13392 06:20:32,867 --> 06:20:34,299 think that would be a disaster In fact, you could say so could 13393 06:20:34,299 --> 06:20:36,500 In fact, you could say so could I just say it’s the Scottish 13394 06:20:36,500 --> 06:20:37,967 I just say it’s the Scottish National Party, not the 13395 06:20:37,967 --> 06:20:39,334 National Party, not the nationalist Party Otherwise the 13396 06:20:39,334 --> 06:20:43,299 nationalist Party Otherwise the forms will be ringing longer. 13397 06:20:43,299 --> 06:20:47,000 forms will be ringing longer. I’m The national nationalist 13398 06:20:47,000 --> 06:20:48,766 I’m The national nationalist I’ve seen right, I think 13399 06:20:48,766 --> 06:20:49,634 I’ve seen right, I think there’s been a bit chippy there 13400 06:20:49,634 --> 06:20:50,967 there’s been a bit chippy there he he doesn’t like being told 13401 06:20:50,967 --> 06:20:52,334 he he doesn’t like being told off. I don’t think so talking 13402 06:20:52,334 --> 06:20:53,100 off. I don’t think so talking back to his days at boarding 13403 06:20:53,100 --> 06:20:55,167 back to his days at boarding school. Oh, yeah, I mean to be 13404 06:20:55,167 --> 06:20:55,867 school. Oh, yeah, I mean to be fair. He’s a prime minister. Oh 13405 06:20:55,867 --> 06:20:57,967 fair. He’s a prime minister. Oh he is so also which phone is 13406 06:20:57,967 --> 06:20:59,367 he is so also which phone is gonna be ringing off the hook, 13407 06:20:59,367 --> 06:21:00,799 gonna be ringing off the hook, which what people are gonna 13408 06:21:00,799 --> 06:21:02,000 which what people are gonna ring Lindsey Coyle because 13409 06:21:02,000 --> 06:21:03,434 ring Lindsey Coyle because somebody said something in 13410 06:21:03,434 --> 06:21:06,766 somebody said something in parliament parliament you call 13411 06:21:06,766 --> 06:21:09,100 parliament parliament you call mister speaker is the speaker. 13412 06:21:09,100 --> 06:21:10,867 mister speaker is the speaker. I don’t know about the speaker. 13413 06:21:10,867 --> 06:21:12,434 I don’t know about the speaker. I get I get the joke of the 13414 06:21:12,434 --> 06:21:14,734 I get I get the joke of the week. it is uh another one for 13415 06:21:14,734 --> 06:21:15,967 week. it is uh another one for you. Mike. It’s the sound of 13416 06:21:15,967 --> 06:21:19,000 you. Mike. It’s the sound of the week. Mike Graham on talk 13417 06:21:19,000 --> 06:21:21,833 the week. Mike Graham on talk radio Welcome back to the 13418 06:21:21,833 --> 06:21:22,799 radio Welcome back to the Independent Republic of Mike, 13419 06:21:22,799 --> 06:21:24,000 Independent Republic of Mike, who’s that I wonder what that 13420 06:21:24,000 --> 06:21:25,367 who’s that I wonder what that was. It sounds as though there 13421 06:21:25,367 --> 06:21:29,334 was. It sounds as though there was uh um uh a rogue device, it 13422 06:21:29,334 --> 06:21:30,800 was uh um uh a rogue device, it sounds as if someone was 13423 06:21:30,800 --> 06:21:31,966 sounds as if someone was watching a video during the 13424 06:21:31,966 --> 06:21:33,233 watching a video during the admin, I think so and didn’t 13425 06:21:33,233 --> 06:21:34,900 admin, I think so and didn’t post it on to. I don’t imagine 13426 06:21:34,900 --> 06:21:36,000 post it on to. I don’t imagine that would be something that 13427 06:21:36,000 --> 06:21:38,099 that would be something that happen in this studio. Well, 13428 06:21:38,099 --> 06:21:38,999 happen in this studio. Well, that’s why it’s the right of 13429 06:21:38,999 --> 06:21:40,567 that’s why it’s the right of the week. We’ll never know 13430 06:21:40,567 --> 06:21:42,000 the week. We’ll never know we’ll have to have another 13431 06:21:42,000 --> 06:21:44,267 we’ll have to have another listen to that play it back. 13432 06:21:44,267 --> 06:21:47,900 listen to that play it back. Mike Crayon on Radio welcome 13433 06:21:47,900 --> 06:21:49,233 Mike Crayon on Radio welcome back to the Independent 13434 06:21:49,233 --> 06:21:51,067 back to the Independent Republic. Morgan sounds a bit 13435 06:21:51,067 --> 06:21:52,434 Republic. Morgan sounds a bit that Pierce Morgan No, I 13436 06:21:52,434 --> 06:21:53,767 that Pierce Morgan No, I wouldn’t be, I wouldn’t have 13437 06:21:53,767 --> 06:21:55,933 wouldn’t be, I wouldn’t have been watching that no what’s 13438 06:21:55,933 --> 06:21:56,900 been watching that no what’s Morgan well. I wouldn’t say 13439 06:21:56,900 --> 06:21:58,933 Morgan well. I wouldn’t say that well and I’m saying no, of 13440 06:21:58,933 --> 06:22:00,267 that well and I’m saying no, of course you do, of course, not 13441 06:22:00,267 --> 06:22:03,800 course you do, of course, not um listener Philip in uh 13442 06:22:03,800 --> 06:22:04,933 um listener Philip in uh Windsor for the joke of the 13443 06:22:04,933 --> 06:22:06,967 Windsor for the joke of the week right here uh on the back 13444 06:22:06,967 --> 06:22:08,133 week right here uh on the back of that, it’s actually a text 13445 06:22:08,133 --> 06:22:08,867 of that, it’s actually a text to eight seven triple two on 13446 06:22:08,867 --> 06:22:10,766 to eight seven triple two on the back of our news item. So 13447 06:22:10,766 --> 06:22:12,399 the back of our news item. So all those apple goods being 13448 06:22:12,399 --> 06:22:14,800 all those apple goods being stolen with regard so Philip V 13449 06:22:14,800 --> 06:22:16,400 stolen with regard so Philip V to the theft of those Apple 13450 06:22:16,400 --> 06:22:19,800 to the theft of those Apple products are police looking for 13451 06:22:19,800 --> 06:22:21,233 products are police looking for eyewitnesses get it. I like 13452 06:22:21,233 --> 06:22:22,967 eyewitnesses get it. I like that. Yeah, it is you that 13453 06:22:22,967 --> 06:22:24,467 that. Yeah, it is you that didn’t you didn’t like it? 13454 06:22:24,467 --> 06:22:25,634 didn’t you didn’t like it? Yeah. No. I didn’t adverts at 13455 06:22:25,634 --> 06:22:26,967 Yeah. No. I didn’t adverts at first and I thought no it’s 13456 06:22:26,967 --> 06:22:28,133 first and I thought no it’s actually effective. It is quite 13457 06:22:28,133 --> 06:22:29,301 actually effective. It is quite funny. It is yeah when you 13458 06:22:29,301 --> 06:22:30,300 funny. It is yeah when you think about it, it’s a classic 13459 06:22:30,300 --> 06:22:31,267 think about it, it’s a classic isn’t it when you write it with 13460 06:22:31,267 --> 06:22:33,434 isn’t it when you write it with the eye as well. Yes, that has 13461 06:22:33,434 --> 06:22:35,033 the eye as well. Yes, that has to be done. Yeah exactly um 13462 06:22:35,033 --> 06:22:36,033 to be done. Yeah exactly um travel guru called they’re join 13463 06:22:36,033 --> 06:22:37,399 travel guru called they’re join us at early in the weekend. uh 13464 06:22:37,399 --> 06:22:38,800 us at early in the weekend. uh asked a very important 13465 06:22:38,800 --> 06:22:40,267 asked a very important question. Congratulations. Mike 13466 06:22:40,267 --> 06:22:41,967 question. Congratulations. Mike You win a for the guest of the 13467 06:22:41,967 --> 06:22:44,800 You win a for the guest of the week um alright 300. A plane do 13468 06:22:44,800 --> 06:22:46,334 week um alright 300. A plane do you mind guessing how many were 13469 06:22:46,334 --> 06:22:47,933 you mind guessing how many were filled? Well? I’m gonna be 13470 06:22:47,933 --> 06:22:49,333 filled? Well? I’m gonna be slightly treaty here because I 13471 06:22:49,333 --> 06:22:50,599 slightly treaty here because I know that from uh friends of 13472 06:22:50,599 --> 06:22:51,967 know that from uh friends of mine who were trying to go to 13473 06:22:51,967 --> 06:22:53,299 mine who were trying to go to Australia, they were flying a 13474 06:22:53,299 --> 06:22:54,500 Australia, they were flying a massive planes to Australia 13475 06:22:54,500 --> 06:22:56,767 massive planes to Australia with only thirty people on so 13476 06:22:56,767 --> 06:22:58,467 with only thirty people on so I’m gonna say 30. You’re pretty 13477 06:22:58,467 --> 06:22:59,800 I’m gonna say 30. You’re pretty close. you’re you’re closest. 13478 06:22:59,800 --> 06:23:02,467 close. you’re you’re closest. I’ve I’ve I’ve tested that on 13479 06:23:02,467 --> 06:23:03,233 I’ve I’ve I’ve tested that on it. lots of people this morning 13480 06:23:03,233 --> 06:23:04,900 it. lots of people this morning Simon that I’m one of the few 13481 06:23:04,900 --> 06:23:05,599 Simon that I’m one of the few people actually does my 13482 06:23:05,599 --> 06:23:07,900 people actually does my research before I go spouting 13483 06:23:07,900 --> 06:23:08,800 research before I go spouting off about stuff on the radio. 13484 06:23:08,800 --> 06:23:11,334 off about stuff on the radio. Okay. Well, it’s actually 36. I 13485 06:23:11,334 --> 06:23:12,234 Okay. Well, it’s actually 36. I thought that was pretty good, 13486 06:23:12,234 --> 06:23:13,366 thought that was pretty good, wasn’t it. He sounded more 13487 06:23:13,366 --> 06:23:14,599 wasn’t it. He sounded more surprised than I would have 13488 06:23:14,599 --> 06:23:15,934 surprised than I would have expected him. I never got it 13489 06:23:15,934 --> 06:23:17,367 expected him. I never got it right. I know you know does he 13490 06:23:17,367 --> 06:23:19,766 right. I know you know does he think of some kind of ??? I 13491 06:23:19,766 --> 06:23:21,599 think of some kind of ??? I don’t know I guess he thinks 13492 06:23:21,599 --> 06:23:23,934 don’t know I guess he thinks that no, of course, not, of 13493 06:23:23,934 --> 06:23:25,067 that no, of course, not, of course, no we love him. He 13494 06:23:25,067 --> 06:23:26,334 course, no we love him. He loves us. He’s great. He’s 13495 06:23:26,334 --> 06:23:27,967 loves us. He’s great. He’s great. He’s our travel guru 13496 06:23:27,967 --> 06:23:29,334 great. He’s our travel guru exactly he’s the best one out 13497 06:23:29,334 --> 06:23:31,933 exactly he’s the best one out there. Yeah to be honest um now 13498 06:23:31,933 --> 06:23:33,299 there. Yeah to be honest um now to my favorite category for the 13499 06:23:33,299 --> 06:23:35,400 to my favorite category for the uh the my my favorite new 13500 06:23:35,400 --> 06:23:37,367 uh the my my favorite new category I should say is the 13501 06:23:37,367 --> 06:23:39,867 category I should say is the out of context Good morning to 13502 06:23:39,867 --> 06:23:40,967 out of context Good morning to you. Mike and I’m glad glad 13503 06:23:40,967 --> 06:23:43,467 you. Mike and I’m glad glad that neither you me in our 13504 06:23:43,467 --> 06:23:44,766 that neither you me in our pajamas. I don’t know what he 13505 06:23:44,766 --> 06:23:45,533 pajamas. I don’t know what he thinks we’re doing here but 13506 06:23:45,533 --> 06:23:47,400 thinks we’re doing here but we’re never in pajamas here. 13507 06:23:47,400 --> 06:23:48,900 we’re never in pajamas here. That’s all no. I mean. I say 13508 06:23:48,900 --> 06:23:50,334 That’s all no. I mean. I say that but I mean I’m assuming 13509 06:23:50,334 --> 06:23:51,733 that but I mean I’m assuming that’s the case. II don’t know 13510 06:23:51,733 --> 06:23:53,167 that’s the case. II don’t know somebody told. The floor was 13511 06:23:53,167 --> 06:23:54,467 somebody told. The floor was just a wash by the way, which I 13512 06:23:54,467 --> 06:23:56,567 just a wash by the way, which I didn’t know when they would 13513 06:23:56,567 --> 06:23:58,301 didn’t know when they would have done that. what the 13514 06:23:58,301 --> 06:24:00,334 have done that. what the apparently in your section has 13515 06:24:00,334 --> 06:24:01,967 apparently in your section has been washed right now. not now 13516 06:24:01,967 --> 06:24:03,767 been washed right now. not now no, but apparently since 13517 06:24:03,767 --> 06:24:05,067 no, but apparently since yesterday, Oh, I haven’t 13518 06:24:05,067 --> 06:24:06,267 yesterday, Oh, I haven’t noticed it’s not being washed 13519 06:24:06,267 --> 06:24:08,267 noticed it’s not being washed It has been washed. Oh okay 13520 06:24:08,267 --> 06:24:10,300 It has been washed. Oh okay past tense, so I don’t know 13521 06:24:10,300 --> 06:24:11,399 past tense, so I don’t know when that would have been done 13522 06:24:11,399 --> 06:24:13,100 when that would have been done probably during the night. Oh I 13523 06:24:13,100 --> 06:24:17,499 probably during the night. Oh I suppose I here is it no. It’s 13524 06:24:17,499 --> 06:24:18,133 suppose I here is it no. It’s not that much there you go. Hi 13525 06:24:18,133 --> 06:24:19,567 not that much there you go. Hi guys. thanks for the big box. 13526 06:24:19,567 --> 06:24:22,000 guys. thanks for the big box. Yeah well not and the fine. 13527 06:24:22,000 --> 06:24:23,300 Yeah well not and the fine. They call it billing Coventry, 13528 06:24:23,300 --> 06:24:24,800 They call it billing Coventry, who made an appearance at today 13529 06:24:24,800 --> 06:24:26,367 who made an appearance at today as well, wins an award for the 13530 06:24:26,367 --> 06:24:27,901 as well, wins an award for the for the U Turn of the because 13531 06:24:27,901 --> 06:24:30,133 for the U Turn of the because he’s a raging communist and 13532 06:24:30,133 --> 06:24:34,400 he’s a raging communist and wants to Joe you think so you 13533 06:24:34,400 --> 06:24:36,901 wants to Joe you think so you know, I’m back up a bit on 13534 06:24:36,901 --> 06:24:38,000 know, I’m back up a bit on Billy. you think Joe is a 13535 06:24:38,000 --> 06:24:40,967 Billy. you think Joe is a raging communist. Did you say? 13536 06:24:40,967 --> 06:24:42,467 raging communist. Did you say? Well? II. Really, I was stated. 13537 06:24:42,467 --> 06:24:43,967 Well? II. Really, I was stated. I think you think you have a 13538 06:24:43,967 --> 06:24:44,999 I think you think you have a bit. Yeah. He really isn’t the 13539 06:24:44,999 --> 06:24:46,567 bit. Yeah. He really isn’t the comments He’s not even that far 13540 06:24:46,567 --> 06:24:48,000 comments He’s not even that far left inside of the Democrats 13541 06:24:48,000 --> 06:24:50,367 left inside of the Democrats for having to say no, I would 13542 06:24:50,367 --> 06:24:52,733 for having to say no, I would get it. Yeah there you go. 13543 06:24:52,733 --> 06:24:54,267 get it. Yeah there you go. Thank you for your 13544 06:24:54,267 --> 06:24:55,434 Thank you for your contributions everyone and um 13545 06:24:55,434 --> 06:24:57,933 contributions everyone and um thank you for having me. I’m 13546 06:24:57,933 --> 06:24:58,667 thank you for having me. I’m running late as always uh I 13547 06:24:58,667 --> 06:25:00,733 running late as always uh I mean, thank goodness. I’m the 13548 06:25:00,733 --> 06:25:03,434 mean, thank goodness. I’m the one who well done with uh but 13549 06:25:03,434 --> 06:25:05,399 one who well done with uh but anyway that’s all for the 13550 06:25:05,399 --> 06:25:12,000 anyway that’s all for the awards next week. The awards on 13551 06:25:12,000 --> 06:25:15,466 awards next week. The awards on talk radio. 13552 06:25:16,301 --> 06:25:18,767 Well, another riveting section 13553 06:25:18,767 --> 06:25:20,267 Well, another riveting section was we’ll hopefully get those 13554 06:25:20,267 --> 06:25:21,500 was we’ll hopefully get those to you uh later on as well out 13555 06:25:21,500 --> 06:25:23,034 to you uh later on as well out there on the video uh if uh 13556 06:25:23,034 --> 06:25:24,634 there on the video uh if uh they remember to do it, they 13557 06:25:24,634 --> 06:25:25,834 they remember to do it, they don’t know how to do it. but so 13558 06:25:25,834 --> 06:25:26,866 don’t know how to do it. but so there we are college is here 13559 06:25:26,866 --> 06:25:28,000 there we are college is here morning. Very good morning. How 13560 06:25:28,000 --> 06:25:29,634 morning. Very good morning. How are you? yeah? Alright um not 13561 06:25:29,634 --> 06:25:31,133 are you? yeah? Alright um not very nice out there. uh it’s 13562 06:25:31,133 --> 06:25:32,133 very nice out there. uh it’s it’s actually cold out there, 13563 06:25:32,133 --> 06:25:33,667 it’s actually cold out there, although it’s nearly frost on 13564 06:25:33,667 --> 06:25:34,800 although it’s nearly frost on the car this morning, but it’s 13565 06:25:34,800 --> 06:25:36,666 the car this morning, but it’s nearly Christmas. so I know it 13566 06:25:36,666 --> 06:25:37,800 nearly Christmas. so I know it doesn’t feel like that. Merry 13567 06:25:37,800 --> 06:25:39,167 doesn’t feel like that. Merry Christmas. You say that, but I 13568 06:25:39,167 --> 06:25:39,934 Christmas. You say that, but I mean the government apparently 13569 06:25:39,934 --> 06:25:41,467 mean the government apparently hasn’t granted this Christmas 13570 06:25:41,467 --> 06:25:42,000 hasn’t granted this Christmas yet. so are they cancelled 13571 06:25:42,000 --> 06:25:43,867 yet. so are they cancelled hugging or something? It’s like 13572 06:25:43,867 --> 06:25:45,299 hugging or something? It’s like well, The hugs allowed no 13573 06:25:45,299 --> 06:25:45,967 well, The hugs allowed no you’re not allowed to hug 13574 06:25:45,967 --> 06:25:47,800 you’re not allowed to hug anyone. No one at all No. I 13575 06:25:47,800 --> 06:25:49,034 anyone. No one at all No. I don’t think unless you’re in 13576 06:25:49,034 --> 06:25:49,767 don’t think unless you’re in your bubble, so I shouldn’t 13577 06:25:49,767 --> 06:25:51,233 your bubble, so I shouldn’t really be sitting in your lap 13578 06:25:51,233 --> 06:25:52,833 really be sitting in your lap right now. you shouldn’t no 13579 06:25:52,833 --> 06:25:55,333 right now. you shouldn’t no that’s not to recommended okay, 13580 06:25:55,333 --> 06:25:57,100 that’s not to recommended okay, apparently um so if we scratch 13581 06:25:57,100 --> 06:25:57,700 apparently um so if we scratch everything we’re gonna talk one 13582 06:25:57,700 --> 06:25:59,267 everything we’re gonna talk one thing and we have to completely 13583 06:25:59,267 --> 06:26:00,066 thing and we have to completely change that cuz I started 13584 06:26:00,066 --> 06:26:02,301 change that cuz I started reading the uh the pretty Patel 13585 06:26:02,301 --> 06:26:03,667 reading the uh the pretty Patel story. Um I don’t think it’s a 13586 06:26:03,667 --> 06:26:05,301 story. Um I don’t think it’s a great home secretary, but I 13587 06:26:05,301 --> 06:26:06,667 great home secretary, but I also don’t think she’s a bully 13588 06:26:06,667 --> 06:26:07,900 also don’t think she’s a bully either. Well. it’s different. I 13589 06:26:07,900 --> 06:26:08,767 either. Well. it’s different. I said. No isn’t it. Oh yeah we 13590 06:26:08,767 --> 06:26:09,567 said. No isn’t it. Oh yeah we don’t. We don’t fully know that 13591 06:26:09,567 --> 06:26:12,800 don’t. We don’t fully know that I’m I’m basing this on the 13592 06:26:12,800 --> 06:26:13,333 I’m I’m basing this on the institution of the civil 13593 06:26:13,333 --> 06:26:15,033 institution of the civil service. Uh we’re asking 13594 06:26:15,033 --> 06:26:15,834 service. Uh we’re asking somebody to open a door could 13595 06:26:15,834 --> 06:26:17,366 somebody to open a door could be constituted. Yes, 13596 06:26:17,366 --> 06:26:18,967 be constituted. Yes, absolutely. How are you yeah 13597 06:26:18,967 --> 06:26:21,133 absolutely. How are you yeah and you and I work in you know, 13598 06:26:21,133 --> 06:26:21,967 and you and I work in you know, I suppose there’s lots of other 13599 06:26:21,967 --> 06:26:22,799 I suppose there’s lots of other people. people. Listen to this 13600 06:26:22,799 --> 06:26:24,133 people. people. Listen to this might be similar industries, 13601 06:26:24,133 --> 06:26:25,533 might be similar industries, but you know we work in an 13602 06:26:25,533 --> 06:26:26,900 but you know we work in an industry. that’s quite let’s 13603 06:26:26,900 --> 06:26:28,766 industry. that’s quite let’s say robust um and we’ve both 13604 06:26:28,766 --> 06:26:31,733 say robust um and we’ve both worked for people who um know 13605 06:26:31,733 --> 06:26:34,733 worked for people who um know how to bark. Yes uh they right 13606 06:26:34,733 --> 06:26:37,233 how to bark. Yes uh they right and you kind of and I know this 13607 06:26:37,233 --> 06:26:38,867 and you kind of and I know this isn’t the full answer, but you 13608 06:26:38,867 --> 06:26:40,000 isn’t the full answer, but you do sort of just get on with it. 13609 06:26:40,000 --> 06:26:42,233 do sort of just get on with it. Yeah and uh it’s that line 13610 06:26:42,233 --> 06:26:43,034 Yeah and uh it’s that line between what is a bully and 13611 06:26:43,034 --> 06:26:44,767 between what is a bully and what is somebody who’s just you 13612 06:26:44,767 --> 06:26:46,233 what is somebody who’s just you know and we’ve also probably 13613 06:26:46,233 --> 06:26:47,767 know and we’ve also probably both had people working for us 13614 06:26:47,767 --> 06:26:49,100 both had people working for us who have been completely 13615 06:26:49,100 --> 06:26:49,766 who have been completely useless. Well. That’s the other 13616 06:26:49,766 --> 06:26:50,967 useless. Well. That’s the other you know, occasionally you have 13617 06:26:50,967 --> 06:26:52,900 you know, occasionally you have to give a bit of AG up to yeah. 13618 06:26:52,900 --> 06:26:54,933 to give a bit of AG up to yeah. You know it didn’t occur to me 13619 06:26:54,933 --> 06:26:56,767 You know it didn’t occur to me until I was just literally 13620 06:26:56,767 --> 06:26:57,467 until I was just literally coming into work and I thought 13621 06:26:57,467 --> 06:26:59,133 coming into work and I thought you know I just spent a couple 13622 06:26:59,133 --> 06:27:00,800 you know I just spent a couple of years at the B and the Bbc’s 13623 06:27:00,800 --> 06:27:01,599 of years at the B and the Bbc’s essentially the civil service. 13624 06:27:01,599 --> 06:27:02,834 essentially the civil service. Yeah cuz in the sense that 13625 06:27:02,834 --> 06:27:03,967 Yeah cuz in the sense that everybody works with the 13626 06:27:03,967 --> 06:27:05,634 everybody works with the government right and if ever 13627 06:27:05,634 --> 06:27:07,933 government right and if ever there was a place that has a 13628 06:27:07,933 --> 06:27:09,500 there was a place that has a PhD in people believing they 13629 06:27:09,500 --> 06:27:11,900 PhD in people believing they have been wrong yet or bullied 13630 06:27:11,900 --> 06:27:13,434 have been wrong yet or bullied or stressed you know I was 13631 06:27:13,434 --> 06:27:14,834 or stressed you know I was working in one small part of 13632 06:27:14,834 --> 06:27:16,800 working in one small part of that organization at any given 13633 06:27:16,800 --> 06:27:18,599 that organization at any given time that behalf a dozen people 13634 06:27:18,599 --> 06:27:19,933 time that behalf a dozen people off with stress. Yeah, and that 13635 06:27:19,933 --> 06:27:21,367 off with stress. Yeah, and that stress was normally related to 13636 06:27:21,367 --> 06:27:22,933 stress was normally related to being you’ve. Me feel 13637 06:27:22,933 --> 06:27:25,634 being you’ve. Me feel uncomfortable, Yes um and you 13638 06:27:25,634 --> 06:27:26,733 uncomfortable, Yes um and you think you’ve changed your 13639 06:27:26,733 --> 06:27:28,000 think you’ve changed your behavior since then, I heard 13640 06:27:28,000 --> 06:27:30,301 behavior since then, I heard you obviously has completely 13641 06:27:30,301 --> 06:27:30,967 you obviously has completely completely, but I used to look 13642 06:27:30,967 --> 06:27:32,533 completely, but I used to look at this. I know these people 13643 06:27:32,533 --> 06:27:33,500 at this. I know these people are used to think why are they 13644 06:27:33,500 --> 06:27:34,666 are used to think why are they are? I mean it’s the thing 13645 06:27:34,666 --> 06:27:35,834 are? I mean it’s the thing there are these people who seem 13646 06:27:35,834 --> 06:27:37,667 there are these people who seem to think that it’s fine not to 13647 06:27:37,667 --> 06:27:39,800 to think that it’s fine not to do the work or go to work or 13648 06:27:39,800 --> 06:27:41,399 do the work or go to work or stay home. Indeed, it’s the 13649 06:27:41,399 --> 06:27:43,100 stay home. Indeed, it’s the same as these work from home uh 13650 06:27:43,100 --> 06:27:44,367 same as these work from home uh maniacs, you know completely I 13651 06:27:44,367 --> 06:27:46,299 maniacs, you know completely I don’t ever wanna go on to to 13652 06:27:46,299 --> 06:27:47,267 don’t ever wanna go on to to train and the whole thing is 13653 06:27:47,267 --> 06:27:48,500 train and the whole thing is out of control and so I 13654 06:27:48,500 --> 06:27:49,567 out of control and so I suddenly developed we yeah. We 13655 06:27:49,567 --> 06:27:51,234 suddenly developed we yeah. We don’t know the details, but I 13656 06:27:51,234 --> 06:27:52,299 don’t know the details, but I suddenly thought if that 13657 06:27:52,299 --> 06:27:53,767 suddenly thought if that experience if her experience of 13658 06:27:53,767 --> 06:27:54,733 experience if her experience of the civil service, anything 13659 06:27:54,733 --> 06:27:55,534 the civil service, anything like my experience in civil 13660 06:27:55,534 --> 06:27:56,999 like my experience in civil service, then I’ve got complete 13661 06:27:56,999 --> 06:27:58,000 service, then I’ve got complete simply. Try to get anything 13662 06:27:58,000 --> 06:27:59,367 simply. Try to get anything changed, It’s like turning an 13663 06:27:59,367 --> 06:28:01,366 changed, It’s like turning an oil tanker around no, it can’t 13664 06:28:01,366 --> 06:28:02,834 oil tanker around no, it can’t be done in around here, 13665 06:28:02,834 --> 06:28:03,500 be done in around here, somebody says. Oh, what a 13666 06:28:03,500 --> 06:28:04,767 somebody says. Oh, what a program about technology paying 13667 06:28:04,767 --> 06:28:06,767 program about technology paying it happens? Yeah happens next 13668 06:28:06,767 --> 06:28:09,267 it happens? Yeah happens next over at the Bbc’s Time program. 13669 06:28:09,267 --> 06:28:10,133 over at the Bbc’s Time program. It’s gonna go through a lot of 13670 06:28:10,133 --> 06:28:11,467 It’s gonna go through a lot of people. you can’t ask somebody 13671 06:28:11,467 --> 06:28:12,733 people. you can’t ask somebody to do something because their 13672 06:28:12,733 --> 06:28:15,100 to do something because their their work. I mean it’s not in 13673 06:28:15,100 --> 06:28:16,366 their work. I mean it’s not in their contract. It’s 13674 06:28:16,366 --> 06:28:17,267 their contract. It’s unbelievable. I know 13675 06:28:17,267 --> 06:28:18,800 unbelievable. I know unbelievable my favorite text 13676 06:28:18,800 --> 06:28:19,567 unbelievable my favorite text today is from Jim, who says 13677 06:28:19,567 --> 06:28:21,867 today is from Jim, who says pretty tellers bullied someone 13678 06:28:21,867 --> 06:28:23,334 pretty tellers bullied someone into resigning for it. It’s 13679 06:28:23,334 --> 06:28:24,799 into resigning for it. It’s very funny. Uh it may or may 13680 06:28:24,799 --> 06:28:25,634 very funny. Uh it may or may not be true, but we should say 13681 06:28:25,634 --> 06:28:27,799 not be true, but we should say we gotta run. And I’m in a lot 13682 06:28:27,799 --> 06:28:28,800 we gotta run. And I’m in a lot of trouble uh Collins coming 13683 06:28:28,800 --> 06:28:31,534 of trouble uh Collins coming up. We’ll see you on Monday at 13684 06:28:31,534 --> 06:28:33,966 up. 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And the endless tweets 13785 06:31:58,834 --> 06:32:00,333 And the endless tweets suggesting otherwise will cross 13786 06:32:00,333 --> 06:32:01,834 suggesting otherwise will cross to Capitol Hill to get the 13787 06:32:01,834 --> 06:32:04,367 to Capitol Hill to get the latest on that. um we will talk 13788 06:32:04,367 --> 06:32:07,100 latest on that. um we will talk uh the Bbc’s after one of their 13789 06:32:07,100 --> 06:32:11,933 uh the Bbc’s after one of their most senior news gathering 13790 06:32:11,933 --> 06:32:13,366 most senior news gathering managers suggested that he 13791 06:32:13,366 --> 06:32:15,066 managers suggested that he doesn’t wanna work in editorial 13792 06:32:15,066 --> 06:32:16,400 doesn’t wanna work in editorial in a place where the editorial 13793 06:32:16,400 --> 06:32:19,033 in a place where the editorial meetings are dominated by white 13794 06:32:19,033 --> 06:32:19,966 meetings are dominated by white people. You couldn’t make this 13795 06:32:19,966 --> 06:32:21,934 people. You couldn’t make this stuff up and bullying in the 13796 06:32:21,934 --> 06:32:22,900 stuff up and bullying in the workplace but crucial question 13797 06:32:22,900 --> 06:32:24,567 workplace but crucial question what constitutes bullying all 13798 06:32:24,567 --> 06:32:26,367 what constitutes bullying all that and more coming up? On the 13799 06:32:26,367 --> 06:32:27,466 that and more coming up? On the other side of the news, let’s 13800 06:32:27,466 --> 06:32:28,900 other side of the news, let’s get get the latest headlines 13801 06:32:28,900 --> 06:32:30,934 get get the latest headlines now at 1 o’clock with Charlotte 13802 06:32:30,934 --> 06:32:35,634 now at 1 o’clock with Charlotte Fisher across the UK online and 13803 06:32:35,634 --> 06:32:41,266 Fisher across the UK online and on D talk radio on. On the way 13804 06:32:41,266 --> 06:32:42,799 on D talk radio on. On the way at one at the PM stands by the 13805 06:32:42,799 --> 06:32:44,099 at one at the PM stands by the home secretary plans move 13806 06:32:44,099 --> 06:32:45,866 home secretary plans move forward for vaccine in the US 13807 06:32:45,866 --> 06:32:47,034 forward for vaccine in the US and updates on Jeremy Carl 13808 06:32:47,034 --> 06:32:49,899 and updates on Jeremy Carl guest inquest talk Radio the 13809 06:32:49,899 --> 06:32:52,199 guest inquest talk Radio the news the home secretary says 13810 06:32:52,199 --> 06:32:53,899 news the home secretary says she’s sorry for her past 13811 06:32:53,899 --> 06:32:55,034 she’s sorry for her past behavior if it’s upset people, 13812 06:32:55,034 --> 06:32:57,634 behavior if it’s upset people, but stop short of apologizing 13813 06:32:57,634 --> 06:32:58,799 but stop short of apologizing for that behavior. Bruce 13814 06:32:58,799 --> 06:32:59,966 for that behavior. Bruce Johnson’s decided pretty Patel 13815 06:32:59,966 --> 06:33:01,366 Johnson’s decided pretty Patel did not breach them in a serial 13816 06:33:01,366 --> 06:33:03,899 did not breach them in a serial code despite a report by his 13817 06:33:03,899 --> 06:33:04,400 code despite a report by his ministerial standard adviser 13818 06:33:04,400 --> 06:33:06,799 ministerial standard adviser Alex Allen saying should not 13819 06:33:06,799 --> 06:33:07,966 Alex Allen saying should not met the high standards expected 13820 06:33:07,966 --> 06:33:09,634 met the high standards expected from her. He’s quit this 13821 06:33:09,634 --> 06:33:10,833 from her. He’s quit this afternoon. Labor’s shadow 13822 06:33:10,833 --> 06:33:12,500 afternoon. Labor’s shadow Immigration Minister Holly 13823 06:33:12,500 --> 06:33:13,434 Immigration Minister Holly Lynch says Miss Pat should go 13824 06:33:13,434 --> 06:33:15,800 Lynch says Miss Pat should go if this was a labor. And she 13825 06:33:15,800 --> 06:33:18,000 if this was a labor. And she was the home Secretary Goodman, 13826 06:33:18,000 --> 06:33:20,333 was the home Secretary Goodman, the position would be untenable 13827 06:33:20,333 --> 06:33:21,034 the position would be untenable if that breach of the 13828 06:33:21,034 --> 06:33:22,000 if that breach of the ministerial could have taken 13829 06:33:22,000 --> 06:33:23,634 ministerial could have taken place. I think the prime 13830 06:33:23,634 --> 06:33:24,400 place. I think the prime Minister and the home secretary 13831 06:33:24,400 --> 06:33:25,466 Minister and the home secretary needs to come to the House of 13832 06:33:25,466 --> 06:33:27,200 needs to come to the House of Commons and allow members of 13833 06:33:27,200 --> 06:33:28,600 Commons and allow members of Parliament to ask questions of 13834 06:33:28,600 --> 06:33:30,000 Parliament to ask questions of them next figures from the 13835 06:33:30,000 --> 06:33:31,800 them next figures from the office for National Statistics 13836 06:33:31,800 --> 06:33:33,000 office for National Statistics show Corona virus infection 13837 06:33:33,000 --> 06:33:34,766 show Corona virus infection rates are leveling off or 13838 06:33:34,766 --> 06:33:36,367 rates are leveling off or decreasing across the UK. There 13839 06:33:36,367 --> 06:33:37,966 decreasing across the UK. There are nearly 39000 new cases of 13840 06:33:37,966 --> 06:33:39,800 are nearly 39000 new cases of covet 19 day for the week 13841 06:33:39,800 --> 06:33:41,034 covet 19 day for the week ending on the fourteenth of 13842 06:33:41,034 --> 06:33:43,034 ending on the fourteenth of November, down from 9000 a week 13843 06:33:43,034 --> 06:33:44,000 November, down from 9000 a week before the survey, which 13844 06:33:44,000 --> 06:33:46,000 before the survey, which doesn’t. People in hospitals or 13845 06:33:46,000 --> 06:33:47,899 doesn’t. People in hospitals or care homes estimates that one 13846 06:33:47,899 --> 06:33:48,833 care homes estimates that one in eighty people in England 13847 06:33:48,833 --> 06:33:50,400 in eighty people in England have the virus. Meanwhile, a 13848 06:33:50,400 --> 06:33:52,367 have the virus. Meanwhile, a vaccine developed by Fisa and 13849 06:33:52,367 --> 06:33:53,767 vaccine developed by Fisa and biotech has been submitted in 13850 06:33:53,767 --> 06:33:55,466 biotech has been submitted in the US for emergency 13851 06:33:55,466 --> 06:33:56,400 the US for emergency authorization. They say if say 13852 06:33:56,400 --> 06:33:57,899 authorization. They say if say if it gets to ahead, they can 13853 06:33:57,899 --> 06:33:58,367 if it gets to ahead, they can can distribute millions doses 13854 06:33:58,367 --> 06:34:01,034 can distribute millions doses of the vaccination within our 13855 06:34:01,034 --> 06:34:02,300 of the vaccination within our public sector workers are 13856 06:34:02,300 --> 06:34:03,899 public sector workers are facing a pay freeze for a year 13857 06:34:03,899 --> 06:34:05,034 facing a pay freeze for a year and the chancellor attempts to 13858 06:34:05,034 --> 06:34:07,333 and the chancellor attempts to tackle the huge financial hit 13859 06:34:07,333 --> 06:34:08,367 tackle the huge financial hit caused by the Corona virus 13860 06:34:08,367 --> 06:34:09,966 caused by the Corona virus those working on the NHS front 13861 06:34:09,966 --> 06:34:12,033 those working on the NHS front line will be exempt, though it 13862 06:34:12,033 --> 06:34:12,767 line will be exempt, though it sought the move will save 13863 06:34:12,767 --> 06:34:15,466 sought the move will save 2000000000 pounds but Cartel 13864 06:34:15,466 --> 06:34:16,099 2000000000 pounds but Cartel from the Unite union has said 13865 06:34:16,099 --> 06:34:18,333 from the Unite union has said this is a huge mistake. It’s 13866 06:34:18,333 --> 06:34:19,899 this is a huge mistake. It’s not that we can’t afford to do 13867 06:34:19,899 --> 06:34:23,899 not that we can’t afford to do this. It’s we cannot afford not 13868 06:34:23,899 --> 06:34:27,466 this. It’s we cannot afford not to properly help out these 13869 06:34:27,466 --> 06:34:28,434 to properly help out these public sector workers because 13870 06:34:28,434 --> 06:34:29,966 public sector workers because they’re leaving with their feet 13871 06:34:29,966 --> 06:34:32,799 they’re leaving with their feet in some instances and we’ve got 13872 06:34:32,799 --> 06:34:35,899 in some instances and we’ve got shortages and says may have 13873 06:34:35,899 --> 06:34:37,200 shortages and says may have caused or contributed to the 13874 06:34:37,200 --> 06:34:38,600 caused or contributed to the death of a man who appeared on 13875 06:34:38,600 --> 06:34:40,733 death of a man who appeared on the host TV chat show a pre 13876 06:34:40,733 --> 06:34:42,000 the host TV chat show a pre inquest review has started 13877 06:34:42,000 --> 06:34:43,433 inquest review has started after 63 Year-old Steve took 13878 06:34:43,433 --> 06:34:46,367 after 63 Year-old Steve took his own life at his home in 13879 06:34:46,367 --> 06:34:47,466 his own life at his home in Portsmouth in May last year, 13880 06:34:47,466 --> 06:34:49,366 Portsmouth in May last year, The presenter has been named. 13881 06:34:49,366 --> 06:34:52,799 The presenter has been named. An interested person talk radio 13882 06:34:52,799 --> 06:34:54,300 An interested person talk radio National Weather cloudy and 13883 06:34:54,300 --> 06:34:55,899 National Weather cloudy and windy for most of the UK this 13884 06:34:55,899 --> 06:34:57,466 windy for most of the UK this afternoon outbreaks of rain in 13885 06:34:57,466 --> 06:34:58,333 afternoon outbreaks of rain in the west that will move 13886 06:34:58,333 --> 06:35:00,733 the west that will move gradually but dry by this 13887 06:35:00,733 --> 06:35:02,300 gradually but dry by this evening, Talk Radio 13888 06:35:02,300 --> 06:35:03,034 evening, Talk Radio Entertainment News There are 13889 06:35:03,034 --> 06:35:05,200 Entertainment News There are more details about some of the 13890 06:35:05,200 --> 06:35:06,600 more details about some of the issues the of will discuss when 13891 06:35:06,600 --> 06:35:08,933 issues the of will discuss when the program returns for short 13892 06:35:08,933 --> 06:35:09,366 the program returns for short specials over Christmas 13893 06:35:09,366 --> 06:35:10,699 specials over Christmas French’s character will give 13894 06:35:10,699 --> 06:35:12,000 French’s character will give three sermons and has to 13895 06:35:12,000 --> 06:35:13,634 three sermons and has to explain the difference between 13896 06:35:13,634 --> 06:35:15,034 explain the difference between meters and miles when it comes 13897 06:35:15,034 --> 06:35:16,699 meters and miles when it comes to social distancing. 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Talk Radio Ian Collins weekday afternoons 13917 06:35:53,433 --> 06:35:56,934 Ian Collins weekday afternoons from one on talk radio uh 13918 06:35:56,934 --> 06:35:58,800 from one on talk radio uh you’ll find us at 03491 13919 06:35:58,800 --> 06:36:01,067 you’ll find us at 03491 thousand shocking news from the 13920 06:36:01,067 --> 06:36:02,434 thousand shocking news from the state broadcaster one of the 13921 06:36:02,434 --> 06:36:05,233 state broadcaster one of the most senior managers has a 13922 06:36:05,233 --> 06:36:06,500 most senior managers has a problem with white people, The 13923 06:36:06,500 --> 06:36:08,833 problem with white people, The only non-white editor at the 13924 06:36:08,833 --> 06:36:10,500 only non-white editor at the time works for BC Sports didn’t 13925 06:36:10,500 --> 06:36:11,200 time works for BC Sports didn’t work for the news gathering so 13926 06:36:11,200 --> 06:36:12,867 work for the news gathering so every single one of the artists 13927 06:36:12,867 --> 06:36:14,334 every single one of the artists in news gathering was a white 13928 06:36:14,334 --> 06:36:15,933 in news gathering was a white man. Now, I don’t think anybody 13929 06:36:15,933 --> 06:36:17,299 man. Now, I don’t think anybody can possibly think that’s 13930 06:36:17,299 --> 06:36:19,900 can possibly think that’s right. Dear Monroe says he 13931 06:36:19,900 --> 06:36:22,467 right. Dear Monroe says he doesn’t want his his editorial 13932 06:36:22,467 --> 06:36:23,767 doesn’t want his his editorial dominated by the whites. He’s 13933 06:36:23,767 --> 06:36:25,666 dominated by the whites. He’s obviously been. On the course, 13934 06:36:25,666 --> 06:36:27,133 obviously been. On the course, I would imagine what a where do 13935 06:36:27,133 --> 06:36:29,366 I would imagine what a where do we go from here details on the 13936 06:36:29,366 --> 06:36:30,901 we go from here details on the way, and this woman apparently 13937 06:36:30,901 --> 06:36:32,000 way, and this woman apparently has questions to answer there 13938 06:36:32,000 --> 06:36:33,500 has questions to answer there was a police investigation 13939 06:36:33,500 --> 06:36:35,800 was a police investigation taking place right now and this 13940 06:36:35,800 --> 06:36:37,567 taking place right now and this offender clearly had some clear 13941 06:36:37,567 --> 06:36:38,900 offender clearly had some clear history in relation to counter 13942 06:36:38,900 --> 06:36:41,034 history in relation to counter terrorism offenses, but I think 13943 06:36:41,034 --> 06:36:42,500 terrorism offenses, but I think I should also say not only 2 13944 06:36:42,500 --> 06:36:45,267 I should also say not only 2 weeks ago post the fishman who 13945 06:36:45,267 --> 06:36:46,899 weeks ago post the fishman who attacks a very clear package of 13946 06:36:46,899 --> 06:36:48,934 attacks a very clear package of measures basically all aimed at 13947 06:36:48,934 --> 06:36:50,334 measures basically all aimed at counter terrorism and counter 13948 06:36:50,334 --> 06:36:51,834 counter terrorism and counter terrorist offenders. Now it’s 13949 06:36:51,834 --> 06:36:53,634 terrorist offenders. Now it’s terrorist offenders not counter 13950 06:36:53,634 --> 06:36:55,967 terrorist offenders not counter terrorist A. Terror not counted 13951 06:36:55,967 --> 06:36:57,334 terrorist A. Terror not counted You don’t need the counts of 13952 06:36:57,334 --> 06:36:59,933 You don’t need the counts of pretty Patel. However, she’s 13953 06:36:59,933 --> 06:37:00,767 pretty Patel. However, she’s accused of bullying her staff 13954 06:37:00,767 --> 06:37:02,567 accused of bullying her staff and many calling for her to go. 13955 06:37:02,567 --> 06:37:03,800 and many calling for her to go. If you think there’s nothing to 13956 06:37:03,800 --> 06:37:05,434 If you think there’s nothing to see here on what basis do we 13957 06:37:05,434 --> 06:37:07,800 see here on what basis do we give a senior politician a free 13958 06:37:07,800 --> 06:37:09,533 give a senior politician a free pass on this and 3 weeks weeks 13959 06:37:09,533 --> 06:37:11,767 pass on this and 3 weeks weeks on and is still unresolved. 13960 06:37:11,767 --> 06:37:13,867 on and is still unresolved. This is an embarrassment to our 13961 06:37:13,867 --> 06:37:15,933 This is an embarrassment to our country. We were getting ready 13962 06:37:15,933 --> 06:37:17,500 country. We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, 13963 06:37:17,500 --> 06:37:21,833 to win this election. Frankly, we did win this election. But 13964 06:37:21,833 --> 06:37:23,399 we did win this election. But you didn’t despite the loud 13965 06:37:23,399 --> 06:37:24,800 you didn’t despite the loud voices and multiple press 13966 06:37:24,800 --> 06:37:26,300 voices and multiple press conferences and Rudy Giuliani 13967 06:37:26,300 --> 06:37:28,800 conferences and Rudy Giuliani literally sweating there is 13968 06:37:28,800 --> 06:37:30,199 literally sweating there is still no evidence of the 13969 06:37:30,199 --> 06:37:31,667 still no evidence of the alleged evidence. Trump did not 13970 06:37:31,667 --> 06:37:33,134 alleged evidence. Trump did not win the election so what next 13971 06:37:33,134 --> 06:37:35,300 win the election so what next how much longer can this muppet 13972 06:37:35,300 --> 06:37:36,799 how much longer can this muppet show go on for details on the 13973 06:37:36,799 --> 06:37:40,533 show go on for details on the way all the breaking news 03491 13974 06:37:40,533 --> 06:37:43,400 way all the breaking news 03491 thousand in Collins weekday 13975 06:37:43,400 --> 06:37:44,467 thousand in Collins weekday afternoons from one on talk 13976 06:37:44,467 --> 06:37:46,167 afternoons from one on talk radio. Uh we don’t do this very 13977 06:37:46,167 --> 06:37:48,299 radio. Uh we don’t do this very often, but we did it today so 13978 06:37:48,299 --> 06:37:49,867 often, but we did it today so we had a completely different 13979 06:37:49,867 --> 06:37:51,333 we had a completely different subject uh just to let you into 13980 06:37:51,333 --> 06:37:55,799 subject uh just to let you into the. Uh the mechanics of our 13981 06:37:55,799 --> 06:37:57,300 the. Uh the mechanics of our programming process here uh on 13982 06:37:57,300 --> 06:37:59,133 programming process here uh on the 1 PM program. uh so Ricky 13983 06:37:59,133 --> 06:38:01,399 the 1 PM program. uh so Ricky and I sit down in the mornings 13984 06:38:01,399 --> 06:38:02,799 and I sit down in the mornings uh around about. it’s early 13985 06:38:02,799 --> 06:38:04,166 uh around about. it’s early doors. you know it could be six 13986 06:38:04,166 --> 06:38:05,700 doors. you know it could be six could be half six 7 o’clock 13987 06:38:05,700 --> 06:38:06,433 could be half six 7 o’clock around about that uh and we 13988 06:38:06,433 --> 06:38:07,799 around about that uh and we come up with what we think is 13989 06:38:07,799 --> 06:38:09,700 come up with what we think is the kind of thread question the 13990 06:38:09,700 --> 06:38:11,133 the kind of thread question the thing that will thread its way 13991 06:38:11,133 --> 06:38:12,433 thing that will thread its way throughout the course of the 13992 06:38:12,433 --> 06:38:13,200 throughout the course of the show. And then, of course 13993 06:38:13,200 --> 06:38:13,967 show. And then, of course there’s you know two dozen 13994 06:38:13,967 --> 06:38:15,967 there’s you know two dozen other subjects that will throw 13995 06:38:15,967 --> 06:38:17,966 other subjects that will throw in at some level as well um and 13996 06:38:17,966 --> 06:38:19,167 in at some level as well um and we came up with one and we got 13997 06:38:19,167 --> 06:38:20,267 we came up with one and we got it all sorted out. We don’t 13998 06:38:20,267 --> 06:38:21,833 it all sorted out. We don’t really write a kind of detailed 13999 06:38:21,833 --> 06:38:23,767 really write a kind of detailed script when I do the intro and 14000 06:38:23,767 --> 06:38:25,399 script when I do the intro and the kind of at the beginning um 14001 06:38:25,399 --> 06:38:27,767 the kind of at the beginning um but you know there’s. Points 14002 06:38:27,767 --> 06:38:29,733 but you know there’s. Points and little ideas and things I 14003 06:38:29,733 --> 06:38:30,933 and little ideas and things I want to mention we had all of 14004 06:38:30,933 --> 06:38:32,500 want to mention we had all of this in place for a completely 14005 06:38:32,500 --> 06:38:34,467 this in place for a completely different subject and it was 14006 06:38:34,467 --> 06:38:35,467 different subject and it was anyone who was coming into work 14007 06:38:35,467 --> 06:38:36,066 anyone who was coming into work and I was thinking about this 14008 06:38:36,066 --> 06:38:37,900 and I was thinking about this pretty Patel story. I thought 14009 06:38:37,900 --> 06:38:40,000 pretty Patel story. I thought no we gotta go pretty We gotta 14010 06:38:40,000 --> 06:38:41,599 no we gotta go pretty We gotta go pretty and when you gotta go 14011 06:38:41,599 --> 06:38:43,867 go pretty and when you gotta go pretty everything gets dropped 14012 06:38:43,867 --> 06:38:45,500 pretty everything gets dropped so forgive me here cuz I’ve 14013 06:38:45,500 --> 06:38:47,733 so forgive me here cuz I’ve written absolutely nothing um 14014 06:38:47,733 --> 06:38:48,933 written absolutely nothing um what it’s not even a bullet 14015 06:38:48,933 --> 06:38:50,799 what it’s not even a bullet point on what I’m about to say 14016 06:38:50,799 --> 06:38:51,900 point on what I’m about to say I have one question written. I 14017 06:38:51,900 --> 06:38:53,433 I have one question written. I didn’t even write this. Ricky 14018 06:38:53,433 --> 06:38:55,833 didn’t even write this. Ricky wrote this what constitutes 14019 06:38:55,833 --> 06:38:56,967 wrote this what constitutes bullying in the workplace 14020 06:38:56,967 --> 06:38:58,434 bullying in the workplace because I saw this pretty Patel 14021 06:38:58,434 --> 06:39:01,766 because I saw this pretty Patel is a monument. Hopeless Home 14022 06:39:01,766 --> 06:39:03,767 is a monument. Hopeless Home secretary Okay, I think we can 14023 06:39:03,767 --> 06:39:06,799 secretary Okay, I think we can probably all agree on that uh 14024 06:39:06,799 --> 06:39:09,301 probably all agree on that uh nonetheless, she was right for 14025 06:39:09,301 --> 06:39:11,167 nonetheless, she was right for the Conservative party at that 14026 06:39:11,167 --> 06:39:12,599 the Conservative party at that time when they were trying to 14027 06:39:12,599 --> 06:39:16,434 time when they were trying to show a United Front on things 14028 06:39:16,434 --> 06:39:17,900 show a United Front on things like Brexit and immigration and 14029 06:39:17,900 --> 06:39:19,334 like Brexit and immigration and we we’ve seen what’s happened 14030 06:39:19,334 --> 06:39:20,234 we we’ve seen what’s happened with the channel and all the 14031 06:39:20,234 --> 06:39:22,133 with the channel and all the rest of it. So I just happen to 14032 06:39:22,133 --> 06:39:23,967 rest of it. So I just happen to not. I’ve met a number of 14033 06:39:23,967 --> 06:39:25,300 not. I’ve met a number of times. I’ve interviewed I don’t 14034 06:39:25,300 --> 06:39:26,767 times. I’ve interviewed I don’t have to rate her as a home 14035 06:39:26,767 --> 06:39:28,000 have to rate her as a home secretary at the but she might 14036 06:39:28,000 --> 06:39:28,599 secretary at the but she might change. I’ll give her the 14037 06:39:28,599 --> 06:39:30,234 change. I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt um on the 14038 06:39:30,234 --> 06:39:31,634 benefit of the doubt um on the bullying thing. This is where 14039 06:39:31,634 --> 06:39:33,933 bullying thing. This is where it gets really interesting. 14040 06:39:33,933 --> 06:39:36,766 it gets really interesting. Okay, So we know that she’s 14041 06:39:36,766 --> 06:39:40,267 Okay, So we know that she’s being accused of breaking rules 14042 06:39:40,267 --> 06:39:42,000 being accused of breaking rules on minister’s behavior. That’s 14043 06:39:42,000 --> 06:39:43,366 on minister’s behavior. That’s kind of code for being a bit of 14044 06:39:43,366 --> 06:39:45,766 kind of code for being a bit of a bully in the workplace Uh the 14045 06:39:45,766 --> 06:39:47,499 a bully in the workplace Uh the Cabinet office began an inquiry 14046 06:39:47,499 --> 06:39:48,799 Cabinet office began an inquiry into her conduct. This was 14047 06:39:48,799 --> 06:39:51,333 into her conduct. This was after Philip rut uh the most 14048 06:39:51,333 --> 06:39:52,666 after Philip rut uh the most senior home office official 14049 06:39:52,666 --> 06:39:54,267 senior home office official resigned in February. He’s got 14050 06:39:54,267 --> 06:39:55,834 resigned in February. He’s got his own legal cases pending 14051 06:39:55,834 --> 06:39:57,067 his own legal cases pending will leave that alone for 14052 06:39:57,067 --> 06:39:58,833 will leave that alone for obvious reasons, but the report 14053 06:39:58,833 --> 06:39:59,466 obvious reasons, but the report was carried out by the 14054 06:39:59,466 --> 06:40:00,634 was carried out by the government’s independent 14055 06:40:00,634 --> 06:40:02,466 government’s independent adviser on standards. Alex 14056 06:40:02,466 --> 06:40:07,300 adviser on standards. Alex Allen. So Alex Allen yes, he 14057 06:40:07,300 --> 06:40:08,800 Allen. So Alex Allen yes, he carried out the report very 14058 06:40:08,800 --> 06:40:09,667 carried out the report very extensive looked into what was 14059 06:40:09,667 --> 06:40:11,500 extensive looked into what was going on gave it to the prime 14060 06:40:11,500 --> 06:40:13,034 going on gave it to the prime minister and said, Oh, I think 14061 06:40:13,034 --> 06:40:13,900 minister and said, Oh, I think you better see this mister 14062 06:40:13,900 --> 06:40:15,967 you better see this mister Johnson uh this doesn’t look 14063 06:40:15,967 --> 06:40:16,900 Johnson uh this doesn’t look very good for your home 14064 06:40:16,900 --> 06:40:18,667 very good for your home Secretary Mister Johnson read 14065 06:40:18,667 --> 06:40:19,734 Secretary Mister Johnson read it and said. Okay. Thank you 14066 06:40:19,734 --> 06:40:21,700 it and said. Okay. Thank you very much but I’m not firing 14067 06:40:21,700 --> 06:40:25,033 very much but I’m not firing her. So Alex Allen has now 14068 06:40:25,033 --> 06:40:26,767 her. So Alex Allen has now resigned as the government’s 14069 06:40:26,767 --> 06:40:27,934 resigned as the government’s standard adviser. So that’s 14070 06:40:27,934 --> 06:40:29,133 standard adviser. So that’s where we’re at the moment he’s 14071 06:40:29,133 --> 06:40:31,466 where we’re at the moment he’s gone and now I don’t know and 14072 06:40:31,466 --> 06:40:33,766 gone and now I don’t know and you don’t know uh what the 14073 06:40:33,766 --> 06:40:35,301 you don’t know uh what the details of the bullying 14074 06:40:35,301 --> 06:40:38,767 details of the bullying allegations against Patel were 14075 06:40:38,767 --> 06:40:40,734 allegations against Patel were so we can’t be sure of the 14076 06:40:40,734 --> 06:40:43,034 so we can’t be sure of the specific details surrounding 14077 06:40:43,034 --> 06:40:45,000 specific details surrounding it. What we can be sure of is 14078 06:40:45,000 --> 06:40:47,034 it. What we can be sure of is that this clearly involve 14079 06:40:47,034 --> 06:40:48,834 that this clearly involve personnel in the civil service. 14080 06:40:48,834 --> 06:40:51,267 personnel in the civil service. Now I have a limited experience 14081 06:40:51,267 --> 06:40:52,767 Now I have a limited experience of this. You don’t really tend 14082 06:40:52,767 --> 06:40:53,800 of this. You don’t really tend to think of the BC as the civil 14083 06:40:53,800 --> 06:40:55,767 to think of the BC as the civil service, but it is it’s a 14084 06:40:55,767 --> 06:40:57,933 service, but it is it’s a government department in that. 14085 06:40:57,933 --> 06:41:00,434 government department in that. And therefore it enjoys uh all 14086 06:41:00,434 --> 06:41:01,634 And therefore it enjoys uh all the same rules and regulations 14087 06:41:01,634 --> 06:41:03,600 the same rules and regulations as any other government run 14088 06:41:03,600 --> 06:41:05,334 as any other government run department, whether that’s the 14089 06:41:05,334 --> 06:41:07,434 department, whether that’s the department for Health education 14090 06:41:07,434 --> 06:41:09,434 department for Health education culture or agriculture, 14091 06:41:09,434 --> 06:41:10,166 culture or agriculture, whatever it happens to be and 14092 06:41:10,166 --> 06:41:11,467 whatever it happens to be and of course the home office, as 14093 06:41:11,467 --> 06:41:14,000 of course the home office, as well. So let’s take it on that 14094 06:41:14,000 --> 06:41:15,667 well. So let’s take it on that basis. uh that we’re gonna look 14095 06:41:15,667 --> 06:41:17,933 basis. uh that we’re gonna look at the story about the what 14096 06:41:17,933 --> 06:41:20,267 at the story about the what constitutes bullying in the 14097 06:41:20,267 --> 06:41:21,899 constitutes bullying in the workplace and clearly a lot of 14098 06:41:21,899 --> 06:41:25,434 workplace and clearly a lot of this is subjective so somebody 14099 06:41:25,434 --> 06:41:26,133 this is subjective so somebody shouting loudly across the 14100 06:41:26,133 --> 06:41:27,534 shouting loudly across the office Are you actually gonna 14101 06:41:27,534 --> 06:41:30,734 office Are you actually gonna get this work done or not uh? 14102 06:41:30,734 --> 06:41:31,967 get this work done or not uh? Some people would be bullied. 14103 06:41:31,967 --> 06:41:32,733 Some people would be bullied. some people people say well, 14104 06:41:32,733 --> 06:41:34,500 some people people say well, that’s I feel intimidated by 14105 06:41:34,500 --> 06:41:37,300 that’s I feel intimidated by this um I’ve always worked in 14106 06:41:37,300 --> 06:41:39,067 this um I’ve always worked in an industry uh that is quite 14107 06:41:39,067 --> 06:41:41,434 an industry uh that is quite less so oddly, it’s less kind 14108 06:41:41,434 --> 06:41:43,399 less so oddly, it’s less kind of robust sadly than it used to 14109 06:41:43,399 --> 06:41:45,300 of robust sadly than it used to be um and I’ve worked for those 14110 06:41:45,300 --> 06:41:47,800 be um and I’ve worked for those characters uh the shelters and 14111 06:41:47,800 --> 06:41:50,267 characters uh the shelters and sometimes the screamers um and 14112 06:41:50,267 --> 06:41:51,700 sometimes the screamers um and the that they will hire they 14113 06:41:51,700 --> 06:41:53,334 the that they will hire they will fire um I used to work for 14114 06:41:53,334 --> 06:41:55,034 will fire um I used to work for one boss who would meet new 14115 06:41:55,034 --> 06:41:56,334 one boss who would meet new members of staff and shake 14116 06:41:56,334 --> 06:41:58,300 members of staff and shake their hand twice, they’d say 14117 06:41:58,300 --> 06:41:59,133 their hand twice, they’d say say once for and once in case, 14118 06:41:59,133 --> 06:42:01,300 say once for and once in case, I don’t see you when I fire 14119 06:42:01,300 --> 06:42:04,133 I don’t see you when I fire you. So now, that was a kind of 14120 06:42:04,133 --> 06:42:06,433 you. So now, that was a kind of a gag, but it put people on uh 14121 06:42:06,433 --> 06:42:08,467 a gag, but it put people on uh a bit of a wobbly footing. So 14122 06:42:08,467 --> 06:42:10,334 a bit of a wobbly footing. So what constitutes us because in 14123 06:42:10,334 --> 06:42:12,434 what constitutes us because in the industry I work in um and I 14124 06:42:12,434 --> 06:42:14,334 the industry I work in um and I can only talk for myself That 14125 06:42:14,334 --> 06:42:16,300 can only talk for myself That is which I suppose loosely 14126 06:42:16,300 --> 06:42:17,399 is which I suppose loosely comes under that rather 14127 06:42:17,399 --> 06:42:19,800 comes under that rather annoying banner of the creative 14128 06:42:19,800 --> 06:42:22,534 annoying banner of the creative industries. Um I don’t know any 14129 06:42:22,534 --> 06:42:24,567 industries. Um I don’t know any part of that industry. Whether 14130 06:42:24,567 --> 06:42:26,301 part of that industry. Whether you’re you’re writing a book 14131 06:42:26,301 --> 06:42:29,199 you’re you’re writing a book making radio making television 14132 06:42:29,199 --> 06:42:34,167 making radio making television films uh authors. You name it, 14133 06:42:34,167 --> 06:42:37,734 films uh authors. You name it, you know creative processes 14134 06:42:37,734 --> 06:42:39,434 you know creative processes usually work best when they’re 14135 06:42:39,434 --> 06:42:42,467 usually work best when they’re under a bit of pressure uh, in 14136 06:42:42,467 --> 06:42:44,467 under a bit of pressure uh, in fact, nearly always work best 14137 06:42:44,467 --> 06:42:46,133 fact, nearly always work best when they’re under a bit of 14138 06:42:46,133 --> 06:42:47,634 when they’re under a bit of pressure uh without the 14139 06:42:47,634 --> 06:42:49,834 pressure uh without the pressure without that sense 14140 06:42:49,834 --> 06:42:52,301 pressure without that sense that this could at any point go 14141 06:42:52,301 --> 06:42:54,000 that this could at any point go wrong. you almost lose the kind 14142 06:42:54,000 --> 06:42:56,334 wrong. you almost lose the kind of engine room of the process 14143 06:42:56,334 --> 06:42:58,434 of engine room of the process and IIII spotted that from the 14144 06:42:58,434 --> 06:43:00,367 and IIII spotted that from the word go and you haven’t got to 14145 06:43:00,367 --> 06:43:02,367 word go and you haven’t got to read many auto biographies of 14146 06:43:02,367 --> 06:43:03,933 read many auto biographies of musicians or actors. OR 14147 06:43:03,933 --> 06:43:06,266 musicians or actors. OR performers of any description 14148 06:43:06,266 --> 06:43:09,767 performers of any description to notice that constant patent 14149 06:43:09,767 --> 06:43:13,299 to notice that constant patent that when you’re under. The egg 14150 06:43:13,299 --> 06:43:15,933 that when you’re under. The egg timer and a deadline is of the 14151 06:43:15,933 --> 06:43:17,233 timer and a deadline is of the essence the deadlines are 14152 06:43:17,233 --> 06:43:18,233 essence the deadlines are incredibly useful in that 14153 06:43:18,233 --> 06:43:20,967 incredibly useful in that respect Uh the pressure is that 14154 06:43:20,967 --> 06:43:21,700 respect Uh the pressure is that and when there’s pressure 14155 06:43:21,700 --> 06:43:24,733 and when there’s pressure sometimes tempers flare and 14156 06:43:24,733 --> 06:43:25,400 sometimes tempers flare and tempers flare and they get if 14157 06:43:25,400 --> 06:43:27,300 tempers flare and they get if you’re working with like minded 14158 06:43:27,300 --> 06:43:28,967 you’re working with like minded people, they get sorted. You 14159 06:43:28,967 --> 06:43:30,300 people, they get sorted. You say, okay. Sorry, I had a 14160 06:43:30,300 --> 06:43:31,666 say, okay. Sorry, I had a moment. I had a moment didn’t 14161 06:43:31,666 --> 06:43:33,700 moment. I had a moment didn’t mean to I know I swore I know I 14162 06:43:33,700 --> 06:43:35,334 mean to I know I swore I know I shouted I know I know I threw a 14163 06:43:35,334 --> 06:43:36,334 shouted I know I know I threw a across there. It didn’t mean to 14164 06:43:36,334 --> 06:43:39,667 across there. It didn’t mean to do it and it’s usually in the 14165 06:43:39,667 --> 06:43:42,334 do it and it’s usually in the minds of most people you solve 14166 06:43:42,334 --> 06:43:43,967 minds of most people you solve it there and then and an 14167 06:43:43,967 --> 06:43:45,567 it there and then and an apology is good enough. not in 14168 06:43:45,567 --> 06:43:47,800 apology is good enough. not in the. Civil service and this is 14169 06:43:47,800 --> 06:43:49,034 the. Civil service and this is the problem. This is the 14170 06:43:49,034 --> 06:43:50,700 the problem. This is the culture now everybody. I think 14171 06:43:50,700 --> 06:43:52,900 culture now everybody. I think if you look at all of Britain’s 14172 06:43:52,900 --> 06:43:54,267 if you look at all of Britain’s big bosses, you know, I know 14173 06:43:54,267 --> 06:43:55,800 big bosses, you know, I know Richard Branson walks around 14174 06:43:55,800 --> 06:43:56,466 Richard Branson walks around with that awkward grin on his 14175 06:43:56,466 --> 06:43:58,399 with that awkward grin on his face and a and a baggy but no 14176 06:43:58,399 --> 06:43:59,767 face and a and a baggy but no one’s gonna tell me he didn’t 14177 06:43:59,767 --> 06:44:00,933 one’s gonna tell me he didn’t chin up the corporate ladder 14178 06:44:00,933 --> 06:44:02,301 chin up the corporate ladder without jumping on a few 14179 06:44:02,301 --> 06:44:03,766 without jumping on a few millions along the way, and I’m 14180 06:44:03,766 --> 06:44:05,767 millions along the way, and I’m sure that involves some fairly 14181 06:44:05,767 --> 06:44:07,734 sure that involves some fairly robust words or language as he 14182 06:44:07,734 --> 06:44:09,067 robust words or language as he did so Alan Sugar. Similarly, 14183 06:44:09,067 --> 06:44:10,533 did so Alan Sugar. Similarly, you know this guy was making 14184 06:44:10,533 --> 06:44:12,000 you know this guy was making money as well. The 1112 year 14185 06:44:12,000 --> 06:44:14,333 money as well. The 1112 year old fixing bicycles. uh he 14186 06:44:14,333 --> 06:44:15,967 old fixing bicycles. uh he suddenly you know is a. To get 14187 06:44:15,967 --> 06:44:17,133 suddenly you know is a. To get into the world of computing and 14188 06:44:17,133 --> 06:44:18,667 into the world of computing and we know the rest of the story. 14189 06:44:18,667 --> 06:44:20,767 we know the rest of the story. I’m pretty sure Alan Sugar has 14190 06:44:20,767 --> 06:44:22,533 I’m pretty sure Alan Sugar has shouted fairly robustly in his 14191 06:44:22,533 --> 06:44:25,399 shouted fairly robustly in his time across the workplace at 14192 06:44:25,399 --> 06:44:27,634 time across the workplace at quite a few people and I would 14193 06:44:27,634 --> 06:44:28,900 quite a few people and I would imagine his business is richer 14194 06:44:28,900 --> 06:44:30,434 imagine his business is richer for it and those that work 14195 06:44:30,434 --> 06:44:31,867 for it and those that work alongside him, the loyal ones 14196 06:44:31,867 --> 06:44:33,667 alongside him, the loyal ones who stay with him um stay with 14197 06:44:33,667 --> 06:44:35,399 who stay with him um stay with him because they absolutely 14198 06:44:35,399 --> 06:44:36,333 him because they absolutely trust his judgement and if once 14199 06:44:36,333 --> 06:44:38,334 trust his judgement and if once in a while he might have a 14200 06:44:38,334 --> 06:44:39,466 in a while he might have a little bit of a moment, I’m 14201 06:44:39,466 --> 06:44:40,734 little bit of a moment, I’m sure he’s a chilled out fella 14202 06:44:40,734 --> 06:44:42,399 sure he’s a chilled out fella these days, but you can imagine 14203 06:44:42,399 --> 06:44:43,767 these days, but you can imagine sugar giving you a right 14204 06:44:43,767 --> 06:44:46,333 sugar giving you a right mouthful if you’re screwed. Up 14205 06:44:46,333 --> 06:44:46,867 mouthful if you’re screwed. Up uh the one thing that is 14206 06:44:46,867 --> 06:44:48,767 uh the one thing that is usually the case with these 14207 06:44:48,767 --> 06:44:51,833 usually the case with these guys and women as well is that 14208 06:44:51,833 --> 06:44:53,133 guys and women as well is that if you don’t screw up, you 14209 06:44:53,133 --> 06:44:53,834 if you don’t screw up, you won’t be on the receiving end 14210 06:44:53,834 --> 06:44:56,767 won’t be on the receiving end of that. So I’ve kind of been 14211 06:44:56,767 --> 06:44:57,567 of that. So I’ve kind of been relaxed about it, but I’m 14212 06:44:57,567 --> 06:44:58,267 relaxed about it, but I’m constantly been told through 14213 06:44:58,267 --> 06:44:59,100 constantly been told through the years you shouldn’t be 14214 06:44:59,100 --> 06:45:01,200 the years you shouldn’t be relaxed about that. if somebody 14215 06:45:01,200 --> 06:45:01,967 relaxed about that. if somebody says you know what were you 14216 06:45:01,967 --> 06:45:03,867 says you know what were you doing? How did you get this 14217 06:45:03,867 --> 06:45:04,867 doing? How did you get this monumentally wrong? I remember 14218 06:45:04,867 --> 06:45:06,434 monumentally wrong? I remember in the early days of radio um 14219 06:45:06,434 --> 06:45:08,000 in the early days of radio um and II was not the early days 14220 06:45:08,000 --> 06:45:09,533 and II was not the early days of Radio. It’s like the early 14221 06:45:09,533 --> 06:45:10,801 of Radio. It’s like the early hours of my time in radio 14222 06:45:10,801 --> 06:45:12,834 hours of my time in radio again, again, I was working 14223 06:45:12,834 --> 06:45:14,834 again, again, I was working Bbc’s went on a big old run. 14224 06:45:14,834 --> 06:45:16,433 Bbc’s went on a big old run. About the home secretary and I 14225 06:45:16,433 --> 06:45:19,966 About the home secretary and I was called into an office by 14226 06:45:19,966 --> 06:45:22,366 was called into an office by the editor that she absolutely 14227 06:45:22,366 --> 06:45:25,333 the editor that she absolutely told me at yet completely 14228 06:45:25,333 --> 06:45:27,000 told me at yet completely demolish me uh and she was 14229 06:45:27,000 --> 06:45:28,700 demolish me uh and she was right At that point. I I was 14230 06:45:28,700 --> 06:45:31,966 right At that point. I I was working Bbc’s No right to offer 14231 06:45:31,966 --> 06:45:35,901 working Bbc’s No right to offer such a big opinion on a story 14232 06:45:35,901 --> 06:45:37,533 such a big opinion on a story uh about politics that was uh 14233 06:45:37,533 --> 06:45:39,933 uh about politics that was uh you know sensitive to 14234 06:45:39,933 --> 06:45:41,467 you know sensitive to impartiality and the like I 14235 06:45:41,467 --> 06:45:42,399 impartiality and the like I thought it was quite uh what 14236 06:45:42,399 --> 06:45:43,634 thought it was quite uh what had happened the group of 14237 06:45:43,634 --> 06:45:44,467 had happened the group of protesters had decided they 14238 06:45:44,467 --> 06:45:47,134 protesters had decided they wanted to approach. Against I 14239 06:45:47,134 --> 06:45:48,466 wanted to approach. Against I think it was something about 14240 06:45:48,466 --> 06:45:51,334 think it was something about having two oddly and with a 14241 06:45:51,334 --> 06:45:52,399 having two oddly and with a curious piece of synergy, but 14242 06:45:52,399 --> 06:45:53,467 curious piece of synergy, but for different reasons it was 14243 06:45:53,467 --> 06:45:55,267 for different reasons it was about um I think it was about 14244 06:45:55,267 --> 06:45:56,367 about um I think it was about when people were organizing 14245 06:45:56,367 --> 06:45:57,334 when people were organizing raves and there were two raves 14246 06:45:57,334 --> 06:45:57,967 raves and there were two raves were going on all over the 14247 06:45:57,967 --> 06:45:59,399 were going on all over the place and the home Secretary 14248 06:45:59,399 --> 06:46:00,766 place and the home Secretary Michael Howard wanted to 14249 06:46:00,766 --> 06:46:01,834 Michael Howard wanted to introduce a law that said you 14250 06:46:01,834 --> 06:46:03,266 introduce a law that said you can’t have more than x amount 14251 06:46:03,266 --> 06:46:04,700 can’t have more than x amount of people in a field or 14252 06:46:04,700 --> 06:46:06,099 of people in a field or something so these people went 14253 06:46:06,099 --> 06:46:07,233 something so these people went around Michael Howard’s house 14254 06:46:07,233 --> 06:46:09,067 around Michael Howard’s house and they camped on his front 14255 06:46:09,067 --> 06:46:10,867 and they camped on his front garden and I said that’s 14256 06:46:10,867 --> 06:46:11,800 garden and I said that’s fantastic what a great way to 14257 06:46:11,800 --> 06:46:13,367 fantastic what a great way to have a protest if you got the 14258 06:46:13,367 --> 06:46:14,066 have a protest if you got the hump with the home secretary go 14259 06:46:14,066 --> 06:46:16,267 hump with the home secretary go around his house and sit in his 14260 06:46:16,267 --> 06:46:16,900 around his house and sit in his front yard that’s brilliant. 14261 06:46:16,900 --> 06:46:18,367 front yard that’s brilliant. But of course I was on the B. 14262 06:46:18,367 --> 06:46:20,399 But of course I was on the B. At the time and I was taken 14263 06:46:20,399 --> 06:46:22,600 At the time and I was taken into an office and boy did she 14264 06:46:22,600 --> 06:46:25,533 into an office and boy did she let go man alive. It was like 14265 06:46:25,533 --> 06:46:27,833 let go man alive. It was like you could feel the Tyra uh 14266 06:46:27,833 --> 06:46:28,533 you could feel the Tyra uh yeah, it was absolutely 14267 06:46:28,533 --> 06:46:30,900 yeah, it was absolutely beautiful in its execution and 14268 06:46:30,900 --> 06:46:33,567 beautiful in its execution and she was 100% correct. That was 14269 06:46:33,567 --> 06:46:36,000 she was 100% correct. That was a king if you like but bullying 14270 06:46:36,000 --> 06:46:38,334 a king if you like but bullying in the workplace. What for what 14271 06:46:38,334 --> 06:46:39,100 in the workplace. What for what constitutes this? I see it all 14272 06:46:39,100 --> 06:46:43,967 constitutes this? I see it all the time 034991 thousand was at 14273 06:46:43,967 --> 06:46:45,666 the time 034991 thousand was at the Bbc’s extraordinary, there 14274 06:46:45,666 --> 06:46:49,867 the Bbc’s extraordinary, there was an entire culture. Nothing. 14275 06:46:49,867 --> 06:46:51,067 was an entire culture. Nothing. Can be said there now nothing 14276 06:46:51,067 --> 06:46:52,634 Can be said there now nothing can be so nobody can raise a 14277 06:46:52,634 --> 06:46:55,399 can be so nobody can raise a voice people who saw a an 14278 06:46:55,399 --> 06:46:57,567 voice people who saw a an instruction as an act of 14279 06:46:57,567 --> 06:46:59,267 instruction as an act of bullying people who sought not 14280 06:46:59,267 --> 06:47:01,267 bullying people who sought not getting a job as an act of 14281 06:47:01,267 --> 06:47:02,800 getting a job as an act of bullying people who saw not 14282 06:47:02,800 --> 06:47:04,634 bullying people who saw not being given a cover shift as an 14283 06:47:04,634 --> 06:47:06,800 being given a cover shift as an act of bullying people who saw 14284 06:47:06,800 --> 06:47:09,434 act of bullying people who saw a disagreement as an act of 14285 06:47:09,434 --> 06:47:11,599 a disagreement as an act of bullying the phrase uh I feel 14286 06:47:11,599 --> 06:47:13,434 bullying the phrase uh I feel uncomfortable was constantly 14287 06:47:13,434 --> 06:47:14,133 uncomfortable was constantly wheeled out and then when 14288 06:47:14,133 --> 06:47:14,967 wheeled out and then when people said they felt 14289 06:47:14,967 --> 06:47:16,367 people said they felt uncomfortable, they would take 14290 06:47:16,367 --> 06:47:17,967 uncomfortable, they would take time off work for and they take 14291 06:47:17,967 --> 06:47:18,667 time off work for and they take time off work for it and claim 14292 06:47:18,667 --> 06:47:20,467 time off work for it and claim it was stress and. Comes under 14293 06:47:20,467 --> 06:47:21,967 it was stress and. Comes under that bracket of mental health, 14294 06:47:21,967 --> 06:47:24,133 that bracket of mental health, so the Bbc’s absolutely nothing 14295 06:47:24,133 --> 06:47:24,933 so the Bbc’s absolutely nothing about it instead of taking 14296 06:47:24,933 --> 06:47:26,066 about it instead of taking these characters banging their 14297 06:47:26,066 --> 06:47:27,000 these characters banging their heads together, saying you got 14298 06:47:27,000 --> 06:47:29,334 heads together, saying you got one more chance to grow up or 14299 06:47:29,334 --> 06:47:30,767 one more chance to grow up or actually just get out that 14300 06:47:30,767 --> 06:47:32,367 actually just get out that would never ever happen. These 14301 06:47:32,367 --> 06:47:33,700 would never ever happen. These people were then helped and 14302 06:47:33,700 --> 06:47:34,767 people were then helped and sent counseling in all manner 14303 06:47:34,767 --> 06:47:35,966 sent counseling in all manner of things all because they had 14304 06:47:35,966 --> 06:47:37,867 of things all because they had the ache cuz something didn’t 14305 06:47:37,867 --> 06:47:39,933 the ache cuz something didn’t go There wait wait of the Bbc’s 14306 06:47:39,933 --> 06:47:41,500 go There wait wait of the Bbc’s the civil service, and it was 14307 06:47:41,500 --> 06:47:42,199 the civil service, and it was anything like this with pretty 14308 06:47:42,199 --> 06:47:44,467 anything like this with pretty Patel I totally get it was that 14309 06:47:44,467 --> 06:47:45,967 Patel I totally get it was that the moment you ask somebody to 14310 06:47:45,967 --> 06:47:48,233 the moment you ask somebody to do something they didn’t 14311 06:47:48,233 --> 06:47:49,966 do something they didn’t necessarily want to do that 14312 06:47:49,966 --> 06:47:51,933 necessarily want to do that constituted bullying if you 14313 06:47:51,933 --> 06:47:53,334 constituted bullying if you wanted to change how things did 14314 06:47:53,334 --> 06:47:54,567 wanted to change how things did man alive if you really wanted 14315 06:47:54,567 --> 06:47:57,666 man alive if you really wanted to cause an uproar. Change the 14316 06:47:57,666 --> 06:47:59,733 to cause an uproar. Change the system boy you’d have the 14317 06:47:59,733 --> 06:48:01,233 system boy you’d have the unions involved you’d have all 14318 06:48:01,233 --> 06:48:02,000 unions involved you’d have all manner of people and remember I 14319 06:48:02,000 --> 06:48:05,267 manner of people and remember I was working in one small part 14320 06:48:05,267 --> 06:48:07,734 was working in one small part one tiny corner of of the 14321 06:48:07,734 --> 06:48:09,466 one tiny corner of of the Bbc’s. have half a dozen people 14322 06:48:09,466 --> 06:48:11,367 Bbc’s. have half a dozen people off at one time with stress if 14323 06:48:11,367 --> 06:48:12,567 off at one time with stress if you wanted to alter the way, 14324 06:48:12,567 --> 06:48:14,800 you wanted to alter the way, things worked, then that was it 14325 06:48:14,800 --> 06:48:17,500 things worked, then that was it was AK to mass murder. Really, 14326 06:48:17,500 --> 06:48:19,234 was AK to mass murder. Really, I mean we can’t do that. Why 14327 06:48:19,234 --> 06:48:20,367 I mean we can’t do that. Why not cuz we’ve never done that 14328 06:48:20,367 --> 06:48:21,667 not cuz we’ve never done that if we do that, I’ve gotta 14329 06:48:21,667 --> 06:48:22,967 if we do that, I’ve gotta change the way I do my work 14330 06:48:22,967 --> 06:48:24,667 change the way I do my work that might mean more work for 14331 06:48:24,667 --> 06:48:26,000 that might mean more work for me. Yeah well actually the last 14332 06:48:26,000 --> 06:48:28,334 me. Yeah well actually the last time I looked half of you doing 14333 06:48:28,334 --> 06:48:32,566 time I looked half of you doing subtle anyway. 034. Nine 1000 14334 06:48:32,566 --> 06:48:34,733 subtle anyway. 034. Nine 1000 That’s how it worked. That’s 14335 06:48:34,733 --> 06:48:35,800 That’s how it worked. That’s how it worked and those I 14336 06:48:35,800 --> 06:48:36,434 how it worked and those I promise you people would be off 14337 06:48:36,434 --> 06:48:39,334 promise you people would be off for weeks with suppose it’s 14338 06:48:39,334 --> 06:48:42,333 for weeks with suppose it’s stress and the more I drilled 14339 06:48:42,333 --> 06:48:43,100 stress and the more I drilled into this cuz I was fascinated 14340 06:48:43,100 --> 06:48:44,467 into this cuz I was fascinated when I got the job at the BBC, 14341 06:48:44,467 --> 06:48:46,366 when I got the job at the BBC, the editor that employed me 14342 06:48:46,366 --> 06:48:47,799 the editor that employed me said, he said I’m gonna make an 14343 06:48:47,799 --> 06:48:49,434 said, he said I’m gonna make an apology to you now because he 14344 06:48:49,434 --> 06:48:51,067 apology to you now because he said you will never anything 14345 06:48:51,067 --> 06:48:52,334 said you will never anything like what you’re about as a 14346 06:48:52,334 --> 06:48:54,366 like what you’re about as a bloat from the commercial world 14347 06:48:54,366 --> 06:48:55,800 bloat from the commercial world as what you’re about to walk 14348 06:48:55,800 --> 06:48:59,467 as what you’re about to walk into it is full of claims, 14349 06:48:59,467 --> 06:49:01,534 into it is full of claims, counter claims um. Who’ve got a 14350 06:49:01,534 --> 06:49:03,067 counter claims um. Who’ve got a grudge people who’ve got a case 14351 06:49:03,067 --> 06:49:07,034 grudge people who’ve got a case pending uh there was uh I mean, 14352 06:49:07,034 --> 06:49:10,999 pending uh there was uh I mean, apparently somebody complained 14353 06:49:10,999 --> 06:49:12,900 apparently somebody complained cuz in a meeting the boss used 14354 06:49:12,900 --> 06:49:15,033 cuz in a meeting the boss used to have the editorial meeting 14355 06:49:15,033 --> 06:49:17,034 to have the editorial meeting in the meeting and go bang the 14356 06:49:17,034 --> 06:49:17,800 in the meeting and go bang the table and go right meeting 14357 06:49:17,800 --> 06:49:18,867 table and go right meeting over. It’s half time. We’re all 14358 06:49:18,867 --> 06:49:20,733 over. It’s half time. We’re all done, apparently somebody 14359 06:49:20,733 --> 06:49:22,833 done, apparently somebody complained about that they felt 14360 06:49:22,833 --> 06:49:26,934 complained about that they felt it was intimidating if you ask 14361 06:49:26,934 --> 06:49:30,433 it was intimidating if you ask for anything and it went 14362 06:49:30,433 --> 06:49:33,866 for anything and it went outside the normal rules of. 14363 06:49:33,866 --> 06:49:36,700 outside the normal rules of. That was as unreasonable 14364 06:49:36,700 --> 06:49:37,966 That was as unreasonable behavior. It was incredible. 14365 06:49:37,966 --> 06:49:40,734 behavior. It was incredible. There was a classic example. We 14366 06:49:40,734 --> 06:49:42,500 There was a classic example. We did the show 1 day and the cues 14367 06:49:42,500 --> 06:49:43,867 did the show 1 day and the cues and everything that they called 14368 06:49:43,867 --> 06:49:44,799 and everything that they called the cues When you introduce the 14369 06:49:44,799 --> 06:49:46,301 the cues When you introduce the guest you read a little bit 14370 06:49:46,301 --> 06:49:48,767 guest you read a little bit beforehand saying blah with us 14371 06:49:48,767 --> 06:49:50,367 beforehand saying blah with us now to discuss this is Michael 14372 06:49:50,367 --> 06:49:52,000 now to discuss this is Michael Howard. Well, that’s got a cue 14373 06:49:52,000 --> 06:49:53,966 Howard. Well, that’s got a cue Okay um and somebody had 14374 06:49:53,966 --> 06:49:56,267 Okay um and somebody had written a producer had written 14375 06:49:56,267 --> 06:49:57,967 written a producer had written you know just rubbish cues. If 14376 06:49:57,967 --> 06:49:58,867 you know just rubbish cues. If you do this job long enough, 14377 06:49:58,867 --> 06:50:01,267 you do this job long enough, you know what a good one from a 14378 06:50:01,267 --> 06:50:04,734 you know what a good one from a bad one uh they were hopeless. 14379 06:50:04,734 --> 06:50:07,434 bad one uh they were hopeless. So at the meeting, my producer 14380 06:50:07,434 --> 06:50:08,334 So at the meeting, my producer mentions this to this guy and 14381 06:50:08,334 --> 06:50:09,000 mentions this to this guy and said, Look you know we were 14382 06:50:09,000 --> 06:50:09,967 said, Look you know we were really let down a bit this 14383 06:50:09,967 --> 06:50:11,434 really let down a bit this morning, The guest we had were 14384 06:50:11,434 --> 06:50:13,734 morning, The guest we had were fantastic uh and some of the 14385 06:50:13,734 --> 06:50:15,267 fantastic uh and some of the cues were a little bit um iffy 14386 06:50:15,267 --> 06:50:17,967 cues were a little bit um iffy so if we can address that uh 14387 06:50:17,967 --> 06:50:19,167 so if we can address that uh and he said it like that, he 14388 06:50:19,167 --> 06:50:20,267 and he said it like that, he said, you know reasonably 14389 06:50:20,267 --> 06:50:21,900 said, you know reasonably calmly, but he got the point 14390 06:50:21,900 --> 06:50:22,834 calmly, but he got the point across that you know, we’re 14391 06:50:22,834 --> 06:50:24,533 across that you know, we’re running a proper show here We 14392 06:50:24,533 --> 06:50:25,834 running a proper show here We need the right guest and we 14393 06:50:25,834 --> 06:50:27,667 need the right guest and we need the right cues for the 14394 06:50:27,667 --> 06:50:29,133 need the right cues for the right guess the next day he’s 14395 06:50:29,133 --> 06:50:31,366 right guess the next day he’s thankful into a meeting because 14396 06:50:31,366 --> 06:50:34,500 thankful into a meeting because the guy he said. To and I quote 14397 06:50:34,500 --> 06:50:36,666 the guy he said. To and I quote said he’d never been spoken to 14398 06:50:36,666 --> 06:50:38,467 said he’d never been spoken to like that in his whole life 14399 06:50:38,467 --> 06:50:41,034 like that in his whole life went to the Bbc’s 30 years. 14400 06:50:41,034 --> 06:50:42,434 went to the Bbc’s 30 years. this character he’d never been 14401 06:50:42,434 --> 06:50:44,467 this character he’d never been what never been told he done 14402 06:50:44,467 --> 06:50:46,800 what never been told he done something wrong. So what then 14403 06:50:46,800 --> 06:50:49,834 something wrong. So what then happened he got told to stay 14404 06:50:49,834 --> 06:50:51,299 happened he got told to stay off for a couple of days and 14405 06:50:51,299 --> 06:50:52,900 off for a couple of days and the producer got uh you know if 14406 06:50:52,900 --> 06:50:54,667 the producer got uh you know if you’re like a casual warning 14407 06:50:54,667 --> 06:50:56,267 you’re like a casual warning over this, he can’t speak to 14408 06:50:56,267 --> 06:50:57,034 over this, he can’t speak to people like that, but you can’t 14409 06:50:57,034 --> 06:50:59,466 people like that, but you can’t tell them how to do their job. 14410 06:50:59,466 --> 06:51:01,267 tell them how to do their job. So this is in my world that as 14411 06:51:01,267 --> 06:51:03,766 So this is in my world that as I see this and I don’t. Your 14412 06:51:03,766 --> 06:51:04,500 I see this and I don’t. Your world, whether you work in 14413 06:51:04,500 --> 06:51:05,700 world, whether you work in retail business, you might work 14414 06:51:05,700 --> 06:51:07,867 retail business, you might work in media, you might work in the 14415 06:51:07,867 --> 06:51:09,434 in media, you might work in the law. whatever world you imagine 14416 06:51:09,434 --> 06:51:10,800 law. whatever world you imagine in the world of law, there’s 14417 06:51:10,800 --> 06:51:12,367 in the world of law, there’s probably quite a lot of maybe 14418 06:51:12,367 --> 06:51:14,767 probably quite a lot of maybe egos flying around. I’m 14419 06:51:14,767 --> 06:51:16,399 egos flying around. I’m suggesting you have to take 14420 06:51:16,399 --> 06:51:18,299 suggesting you have to take unreasonable behavior that 14421 06:51:18,299 --> 06:51:20,467 unreasonable behavior that makes you ill. That’s genuinely 14422 06:51:20,467 --> 06:51:22,300 makes you ill. That’s genuinely not a good look, but what I do 14423 06:51:22,300 --> 06:51:23,800 not a good look, but what I do know is there’s a world of 14424 06:51:23,800 --> 06:51:26,334 know is there’s a world of difference between being a big 14425 06:51:26,334 --> 06:51:28,000 difference between being a big character and outlandish 14426 06:51:28,000 --> 06:51:29,467 character and outlandish character a robust character 14427 06:51:29,467 --> 06:51:30,567 character a robust character someone who might raise their 14428 06:51:30,567 --> 06:51:33,299 someone who might raise their voice from time to time. So 14429 06:51:33,299 --> 06:51:35,199 voice from time to time. So flipping that doesn’t make you 14430 06:51:35,199 --> 06:51:36,533 flipping that doesn’t make you a bully, and it doesn’t mean 14431 06:51:36,533 --> 06:51:38,000 a bully, and it doesn’t mean the person on the rise just 14432 06:51:38,000 --> 06:51:40,300 the person on the rise just because somebody says I feel 14433 06:51:40,300 --> 06:51:41,967 because somebody says I feel intimidated doesn’t mean you’ve 14434 06:51:41,967 --> 06:51:45,766 intimidated doesn’t mean you’ve been bullied right 14435 06:51:45,833 --> 06:51:47,933 03491 thousand. what 14436 06:51:47,933 --> 06:51:48,900 03491 thousand. what constitutes bullying in the 14437 06:51:48,900 --> 06:51:49,900 constitutes bullying in the workplace and by the way I 14438 06:51:49,900 --> 06:51:51,234 workplace and by the way I wanna hear from you If you’ve 14439 06:51:51,234 --> 06:51:52,133 wanna hear from you If you’ve been on the receiving end is 14440 06:51:52,133 --> 06:51:53,500 been on the receiving end is what you could call without a 14441 06:51:53,500 --> 06:51:55,900 what you could call without a shadow of a doubt unequivocal 14442 06:51:55,900 --> 06:51:57,567 shadow of a doubt unequivocal bullying. That’s a whole 14443 06:51:57,567 --> 06:51:58,799 bullying. That’s a whole different thing. uh if that’s 14444 06:51:58,799 --> 06:52:00,000 different thing. uh if that’s your story but on the other 14445 06:52:00,000 --> 06:52:01,533 your story but on the other side of it, you might have been 14446 06:52:01,533 --> 06:52:02,367 side of it, you might have been accused of it too. when there 14447 06:52:02,367 --> 06:52:04,133 accused of it too. when there really was no. Thing to see 14448 06:52:04,133 --> 06:52:05,733 really was no. Thing to see here you listen to me and 14449 06:52:05,733 --> 06:52:07,234 here you listen to me and Collins on talk radio. It’s 14450 06:52:07,234 --> 06:52:09,367 Collins on talk radio. It’s just gone twenty past one talk 14451 06:52:09,367 --> 06:52:12,801 just gone twenty past one talk radio get revved up for a new 14452 06:52:12,801 --> 06:52:14,434 radio get revved up for a new kind of show cruising into the 14453 06:52:14,434 --> 06:52:15,634 kind of show cruising into the weekend where star names are 14454 06:52:15,634 --> 06:52:17,466 weekend where star names are queuing up to be part of the 14455 06:52:17,466 --> 06:52:19,466 queuing up to be part of the conversation. don’t miss driven 14456 06:52:19,466 --> 06:52:21,266 conversation. don’t miss driven with Andy J on Talk radio in 14457 06:52:21,266 --> 06:52:23,466 with Andy J on Talk radio in Association with digital Proud 14458 06:52:23,466 --> 06:52:25,466 Association with digital Proud creators of driven Chat.com. 14459 06:52:25,466 --> 06:52:27,034 creators of driven Chat.com. Join me Andy J for the show 14460 06:52:27,034 --> 06:52:27,966 Join me Andy J for the show that finds out what drives 14461 06:52:27,966 --> 06:52:29,800 that finds out what drives celebrities and achievers and 14462 06:52:29,800 --> 06:52:31,899 celebrities and achievers and what they drive driven with 14463 06:52:31,899 --> 06:52:32,833 what they drive driven with Andy J. every Saturday 14464 06:52:32,833 --> 06:52:34,600 Andy J. every Saturday afternoon from four on Talk 14465 06:52:34,600 --> 06:52:35,966 afternoon from four on Talk radio in Association with 14466 06:52:35,966 --> 06:52:37,634 radio in Association with paramedic digital, You dream it 14467 06:52:37,634 --> 06:52:39,899 paramedic digital, You dream it we bring it. Live Find out more 14468 06:52:39,899 --> 06:52:41,800 we bring it. Live Find out more at driven chat.com I’ve been in 14469 06:52:41,800 --> 06:52:43,034 at driven chat.com I’ve been in the home All day I’ve been 14470 06:52:43,034 --> 06:52:44,600 the home All day I’ve been working from home and had to 14471 06:52:44,600 --> 06:52:47,034 working from home and had to pop out to go and collect the 14472 06:52:47,034 --> 06:52:48,400 pop out to go and collect the children from school and during 14473 06:52:48,400 --> 06:52:50,799 children from school and during that time we’ve been in broad 14474 06:52:50,799 --> 06:52:52,000 that time we’ve been in broad daylight. I think it really 14475 06:52:52,000 --> 06:52:54,699 daylight. I think it really hits home when you come to your 14476 06:52:54,699 --> 06:52:55,800 hits home when you come to your children’s bedroom and you see 14477 06:52:55,800 --> 06:52:56,300 children’s bedroom and you see that the children’s bedrooms 14478 06:52:56,300 --> 06:52:58,799 that the children’s bedrooms have been turned upside down. 14479 06:52:58,799 --> 06:53:00,300 have been turned upside down. so the break was a real wake-up 14480 06:53:00,300 --> 06:53:01,899 so the break was a real wake-up call in terms of how to do 14481 06:53:01,899 --> 06:53:02,766 call in terms of how to do something about security of the 14482 06:53:02,766 --> 06:53:05,034 something about security of the house. so we did a complete 14483 06:53:05,034 --> 06:53:06,733 house. so we did a complete review The first product bought 14484 06:53:06,733 --> 06:53:07,800 review The first product bought was that a ring light and that 14485 06:53:07,800 --> 06:53:10,434 was that a ring light and that was purely because. 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Uh at 3491 thousand home secretary has 14555 06:55:21,967 --> 06:55:23,399 thousand home secretary has apologized today after a long 14556 06:55:23,399 --> 06:55:26,000 apologized today after a long awaited cabinet office inquiry 14557 06:55:26,000 --> 06:55:27,333 awaited cabinet office inquiry found she broke ministerial 14558 06:55:27,333 --> 06:55:29,399 found she broke ministerial code of ethics over claims a 14559 06:55:29,399 --> 06:55:30,000 code of ethics over claims a bullying release a statement 14560 06:55:30,000 --> 06:55:31,233 bullying release a statement saying that my behavior in the 14561 06:55:31,233 --> 06:55:33,767 saying that my behavior in the past is upset people in the 14562 06:55:33,767 --> 06:55:35,767 past is upset people in the last hour. so Alex Allen, the 14563 06:55:35,767 --> 06:55:37,299 last hour. so Alex Allen, the government standard advisers, 14564 06:55:37,299 --> 06:55:40,299 government standard advisers, resigned after the PM rejected 14565 06:55:40,299 --> 06:55:41,867 resigned after the PM rejected his findings that Patel had 14566 06:55:41,867 --> 06:55:43,100 his findings that Patel had breached standards. Boris 14567 06:55:43,100 --> 06:55:45,334 breached standards. Boris Johnson said he had full 14568 06:55:45,334 --> 06:55:46,533 Johnson said he had full confidence in the home 14569 06:55:46,533 --> 06:55:49,067 confidence in the home secretary uh Dave Pen. General 14570 06:55:49,067 --> 06:55:50,533 secretary uh Dave Pen. General Secretary of the FD Union, 14571 06:55:50,533 --> 06:55:52,767 Secretary of the FD Union, which represents professionals 14572 06:55:52,767 --> 06:55:55,299 which represents professionals and managers in public service 14573 06:55:55,299 --> 06:55:57,766 and managers in public service uh Dave Afternoon to you um 14574 06:55:57,766 --> 06:56:00,267 uh Dave Afternoon to you um hello, is this a case of I 14575 06:56:00,267 --> 06:56:01,067 hello, is this a case of I mean? what are you reading into 14576 06:56:01,067 --> 06:56:02,234 mean? what are you reading into this somebody is accused of 14577 06:56:02,234 --> 06:56:04,834 this somebody is accused of something they say, sorry uh 14578 06:56:04,834 --> 06:56:08,267 something they say, sorry uh job done right. The when they 14579 06:56:08,267 --> 06:56:10,733 job done right. The when they launched the investigation the 14580 06:56:10,733 --> 06:56:11,966 launched the investigation the Minister of the Cabinet Office 14581 06:56:11,966 --> 06:56:14,301 Minister of the Cabinet Office said he asked Alex Allen to 14582 06:56:14,301 --> 06:56:15,834 said he asked Alex Allen to establish the facts um which 14583 06:56:15,834 --> 06:56:17,299 establish the facts um which they have done they have spoken 14584 06:56:17,299 --> 06:56:18,933 they have done they have spoken to several servants and other 14585 06:56:18,933 --> 06:56:20,300 to several servants and other people who’ve given evidence 14586 06:56:20,300 --> 06:56:22,399 people who’ve given evidence about the home Secretary’s 14587 06:56:22,399 --> 06:56:23,801 about the home Secretary’s behavior as the prime 14588 06:56:23,801 --> 06:56:25,299 behavior as the prime minister’s adviser Alex Allen 14589 06:56:25,299 --> 06:56:27,867 minister’s adviser Alex Allen has been provided advice about 14590 06:56:27,867 --> 06:56:29,233 has been provided advice about whether more evidence that they 14591 06:56:29,233 --> 06:56:31,234 whether more evidence that they had and demonstrated that the 14592 06:56:31,234 --> 06:56:33,334 had and demonstrated that the home secretary had reached the 14593 06:56:33,334 --> 06:56:35,300 home secretary had reached the minister clearly was his 14594 06:56:35,300 --> 06:56:38,434 minister clearly was his conclusion he con. That she had 14595 06:56:38,434 --> 06:56:40,867 conclusion he con. That she had staff that the behavior was 14596 06:56:40,867 --> 06:56:42,399 staff that the behavior was such that breached the 14597 06:56:42,399 --> 06:56:44,267 such that breached the ministerial code, but the prime 14598 06:56:44,267 --> 06:56:45,966 ministerial code, but the prime minister has chosen to note 14599 06:56:45,966 --> 06:56:48,267 minister has chosen to note that evidence and has 14600 06:56:48,267 --> 06:56:49,900 that evidence and has essentially made a political 14601 06:56:49,900 --> 06:56:50,399 essentially made a political judgement rather than a 14602 06:56:50,399 --> 06:56:52,467 judgement rather than a judgement on the facts and we 14603 06:56:52,467 --> 06:56:53,199 judgement on the facts and we have a situation where this 14604 06:56:53,199 --> 06:56:56,233 have a situation where this whole thing was started by the 14605 06:56:56,233 --> 06:56:58,267 whole thing was started by the resignation of who indicated 14606 06:56:58,267 --> 06:57:00,267 resignation of who indicated that he raised these concerns 14607 06:57:00,267 --> 06:57:02,233 that he raised these concerns about the home secretary and 14608 06:57:02,233 --> 06:57:04,433 about the home secretary and that he was then targeted as a 14609 06:57:04,433 --> 06:57:05,833 that he was then targeted as a result, he’s been vindicated 14610 06:57:05,833 --> 06:57:06,933 result, he’s been vindicated cuz the issues that he says he 14611 06:57:06,933 --> 06:57:09,267 cuz the issues that he says he raised have never been found. 14612 06:57:09,267 --> 06:57:10,900 raised have never been found. To be fat yet the prime 14613 06:57:10,900 --> 06:57:13,167 To be fat yet the prime minister has simply ignored all 14614 06:57:13,167 --> 06:57:15,034 minister has simply ignored all of those and those issues when 14615 06:57:15,034 --> 06:57:16,234 of those and those issues when they start the prime minister 14616 06:57:16,234 --> 06:57:17,433 they start the prime minister stood up the prime minister 14617 06:57:17,433 --> 06:57:19,767 stood up the prime minister questions and said I’m backing 14618 06:57:19,767 --> 06:57:21,500 questions and said I’m backing 9 months later. That’s just 14619 06:57:21,500 --> 06:57:22,833 9 months later. That’s just exactly what he’s done, she 14620 06:57:22,833 --> 06:57:23,900 exactly what he’s done, she said. she said sorry didn’t 14621 06:57:23,900 --> 06:57:25,233 said. she said sorry didn’t she, I mean, she said sorry, if 14622 06:57:25,233 --> 06:57:27,367 she, I mean, she said sorry, if my behavior is upset, people in 14623 06:57:27,367 --> 06:57:29,434 my behavior is upset, people in the past the rule of the prime 14624 06:57:29,434 --> 06:57:30,767 the past the rule of the prime minister is to say cuz he’s the 14625 06:57:30,767 --> 06:57:32,800 minister is to say cuz he’s the arbiter of the ministry. The 14626 06:57:32,800 --> 06:57:33,567 arbiter of the ministry. The truth. Yeah, No one else gets 14627 06:57:33,567 --> 06:57:34,934 truth. Yeah, No one else gets to decide whether there’s 14628 06:57:34,934 --> 06:57:36,000 to decide whether there’s investigation, no one else gets 14629 06:57:36,000 --> 06:57:39,067 investigation, no one else gets to decide whether the minister 14630 06:57:39,067 --> 06:57:40,267 to decide whether the minister is to whether you say sorry, 14631 06:57:40,267 --> 06:57:41,767 is to whether you say sorry, not the point is the prime 14632 06:57:41,767 --> 06:57:43,434 not the point is the prime minister is supposed to enforce 14633 06:57:43,434 --> 06:57:46,933 minister is supposed to enforce the behaviors of. Yeah, he 14634 06:57:46,933 --> 06:57:48,967 the behaviors of. Yeah, he chose when he became prime 14635 06:57:48,967 --> 06:57:50,500 chose when he became prime Minister to put front and 14636 06:57:50,500 --> 06:57:52,899 Minister to put front and center and has done in his own 14637 06:57:52,899 --> 06:57:54,500 center and has done in his own for one to the court that must 14638 06:57:54,500 --> 06:57:57,267 for one to the court that must be no billing and no have asked 14639 06:57:57,267 --> 06:57:58,533 be no billing and no have asked what was the point of that when 14640 06:57:58,533 --> 06:58:00,901 what was the point of that when the evidence suspended growing 14641 06:58:00,901 --> 06:58:02,267 the evidence suspended growing he chooses to ignore that, but 14642 06:58:02,267 --> 06:58:04,133 he chooses to ignore that, but do you remove somebody shorts, 14643 06:58:04,133 --> 06:58:05,167 do you remove somebody shorts, which is a report? okay, But 14644 06:58:05,167 --> 06:58:06,767 which is a report? okay, But you can say you can say sorry, 14645 06:58:06,767 --> 06:58:08,900 you can say you can say sorry, I mean it’s we who knows what 14646 06:58:08,900 --> 06:58:10,634 I mean it’s we who knows what the nature of these allegations 14647 06:58:10,634 --> 06:58:11,367 the nature of these allegations were, but what we do know is 14648 06:58:11,367 --> 06:58:12,000 were, but what we do know is that in the civil service if 14649 06:58:12,000 --> 06:58:13,267 that in the civil service if you are somebody to shut the 14650 06:58:13,267 --> 06:58:15,967 you are somebody to shut the door. In the wrong way, they’ll 14651 06:58:15,967 --> 06:58:17,300 door. In the wrong way, they’ll uh they’ll tell you you’ve 14652 06:58:17,300 --> 06:58:18,500 uh they’ll tell you you’ve you’ve been guilty of something 14653 06:58:18,500 --> 06:58:19,766 you’ve been guilty of something that intimidated them. There is 14654 06:58:19,766 --> 06:58:21,267 that intimidated them. There is that difficulty isn’t that 14655 06:58:21,267 --> 06:58:23,434 that difficulty isn’t that because people have a job for 14656 06:58:23,434 --> 06:58:25,301 because people have a job for life. It’s not a simple sense. 14657 06:58:25,301 --> 06:58:26,767 life. It’s not a simple sense. It’s not a simple steps I 14658 06:58:26,767 --> 06:58:28,434 It’s not a simple steps I recognize or on a job for life. 14659 06:58:28,434 --> 06:58:30,867 recognize or on a job for life. I recognize I’ve been come come 14660 06:58:30,867 --> 06:58:32,733 I recognize I’ve been come come It’s a horrendous 14661 06:58:32,733 --> 06:58:33,500 It’s a horrendous institutionalized culture 14662 06:58:33,500 --> 06:58:36,434 institutionalized culture that’s been in need of reform 14663 06:58:36,434 --> 06:58:38,500 that’s been in need of reform for absolutely years. It’s a 14664 06:58:38,500 --> 06:58:39,967 for absolutely years. It’s a great privilege Club to be part 14665 06:58:39,967 --> 06:58:41,234 great privilege Club to be part of you’ve got a job for life, 14666 06:58:41,234 --> 06:58:42,733 of you’ve got a job for life, It doesn’t matter whether you 14667 06:58:42,733 --> 06:58:45,267 It doesn’t matter whether you hit a target. You’ll never get 14668 06:58:45,267 --> 06:58:46,000 hit a target. You’ll never get fired. You’ve pretty much got 14669 06:58:46,000 --> 06:58:47,800 fired. You’ve pretty much got murder somebody to lose your 14670 06:58:47,800 --> 06:58:49,766 murder somebody to lose your job if you feel stressed you’re 14671 06:58:49,766 --> 06:58:51,833 job if you feel stressed you’re off work for 6 months and 14672 06:58:51,833 --> 06:58:53,334 off work for 6 months and nobody will question that and 14673 06:58:53,334 --> 06:58:54,234 nobody will question that and the stress might be related to 14674 06:58:54,234 --> 06:58:56,000 the stress might be related to the fact that somebody gave you 14675 06:58:56,000 --> 06:58:57,434 the fact that somebody gave you a simple instruction. I’ve seen 14676 06:58:57,434 --> 06:58:58,999 a simple instruction. I’ve seen that happen. you must have seen 14677 06:58:58,999 --> 06:59:01,399 that happen. you must have seen that happen. Yeah Well, I don’t 14678 06:59:01,399 --> 06:59:02,800 that happen. Yeah Well, I don’t know what we’d be doing as a 14679 06:59:02,800 --> 06:59:04,267 know what we’d be doing as a union. Why necessary if that’s 14680 06:59:04,267 --> 06:59:05,500 union. Why necessary if that’s the case and it’s such a 14681 06:59:05,500 --> 06:59:06,934 the case and it’s such a crucial number this the UK 14682 06:59:06,934 --> 06:59:08,301 crucial number this the UK seven seven cuz you guys feel 14683 06:59:08,301 --> 06:59:09,833 seven seven cuz you guys feel feel that you love. what you 14684 06:59:09,833 --> 06:59:11,234 feel that you love. what you do. isn’t it cuz those people 14685 06:59:11,234 --> 06:59:12,533 do. isn’t it cuz those people come to you. They say they’re 14686 06:59:12,533 --> 06:59:16,500 come to you. They say they’re disgruntled. The U Civil 14687 06:59:16,500 --> 06:59:18,133 disgruntled. The U Civil service was right the most 14688 06:59:18,133 --> 06:59:19,434 service was right the most effective civil service in the 14689 06:59:19,434 --> 06:59:21,133 effective civil service in the world by an independent 14690 06:59:21,133 --> 06:59:23,334 world by an independent business rankings of its 14691 06:59:23,334 --> 06:59:25,067 business rankings of its recognize the UK civil service 14692 06:59:25,067 --> 06:59:27,467 recognize the UK civil service was the top civil service 14693 06:59:27,467 --> 06:59:29,834 was the top civil service amongst modern economies, the 14694 06:59:29,834 --> 06:59:32,467 amongst modern economies, the civil service that is now 25% 14695 06:59:32,467 --> 06:59:34,000 civil service that is now 25% smaller than it was with the 14696 06:59:34,000 --> 06:59:35,700 smaller than it was with the conservatives in 2010 year has 14697 06:59:35,700 --> 06:59:37,766 conservatives in 2010 year has delivered the same that is 14698 06:59:37,766 --> 06:59:39,267 delivered the same that is delivering Brexit that has 14699 06:59:39,267 --> 06:59:40,834 delivering Brexit that has responded to covet that is 14700 06:59:40,834 --> 06:59:42,867 responded to covet that is paying 9000000 people the job 14701 06:59:42,867 --> 06:59:43,799 paying 9000000 people the job fellow scheme that’s come with 14702 06:59:43,799 --> 06:59:46,133 fellow scheme that’s come with a six six fold increase in 14703 06:59:46,133 --> 06:59:47,234 a six six fold increase in universal credit claims that 14704 06:59:47,234 --> 06:59:49,933 universal credit claims that the seven. That I make, but 14705 06:59:49,933 --> 06:59:51,367 the seven. That I make, but that’s not that’s what people 14706 06:59:51,367 --> 06:59:52,967 that’s not that’s what people are paid to do. It’s not a 14707 06:59:52,967 --> 06:59:54,766 are paid to do. It’s not a charity. This is about 14708 06:59:54,766 --> 06:59:56,334 charity. This is about evidence. This is about the 14709 06:59:56,334 --> 06:59:57,334 evidence. This is about the prime minister. asked Alex 14710 06:59:57,334 --> 06:59:59,800 prime minister. asked Alex Allen to find the evidence to 14711 06:59:59,800 --> 07:00:01,434 Allen to find the evidence to establish the facts. That’s 14712 07:00:01,434 --> 07:00:02,900 establish the facts. That’s That’s the words he used. I 14713 07:00:02,900 --> 07:00:05,399 That’s the words he used. I don’t disagree found the facts. 14714 07:00:05,399 --> 07:00:06,967 don’t disagree found the facts. Patel apologized. Boris Johnson 14715 07:00:06,967 --> 07:00:09,299 Patel apologized. Boris Johnson has said. Okay, that’s all done 14716 07:00:09,299 --> 07:00:10,800 has said. Okay, that’s all done and dusted. We move on so so 14717 07:00:10,800 --> 07:00:13,766 and dusted. We move on so so the satisfactory result for you 14718 07:00:13,766 --> 07:00:16,334 the satisfactory result for you would be a firing The 14719 07:00:16,334 --> 07:00:17,034 would be a firing The ministerial court has been so 14720 07:00:17,034 --> 07:00:19,800 ministerial court has been so if there is no. Consequence for 14721 07:00:19,800 --> 07:00:22,399 if there is no. Consequence for the court, Remember is a 14722 07:00:22,399 --> 07:00:23,167 the court, Remember is a minister who has previously 14723 07:00:23,167 --> 07:00:24,599 minister who has previously reached the record that just 14724 07:00:24,599 --> 07:00:25,667 reached the record that just seems extraordinary that we can 14725 07:00:25,667 --> 07:00:26,999 seems extraordinary that we can even say that someone who has 14726 07:00:26,999 --> 07:00:29,300 even say that someone who has no choice reached the record 14727 07:00:29,300 --> 07:00:31,067 no choice reached the record one for conducting their own 14728 07:00:31,067 --> 07:00:32,634 one for conducting their own foreign-policy and she resigned 14729 07:00:32,634 --> 07:00:34,500 foreign-policy and she resigned the result of that and the 14730 07:00:34,500 --> 07:00:35,966 the result of that and the second time I’ve been founded 14731 07:00:35,966 --> 07:00:36,567 second time I’ve been founded in terms of a treatment for 14732 07:00:36,567 --> 07:00:38,334 in terms of a treatment for staff. I tell you why this is 14733 07:00:38,334 --> 07:00:39,800 staff. I tell you why this is important. It’s not just about 14734 07:00:39,800 --> 07:00:41,367 important. It’s not just about the feelings of civil servants 14735 07:00:41,367 --> 07:00:42,934 the feelings of civil servants about effective government. We 14736 07:00:42,934 --> 07:00:44,334 about effective government. We need government to to walk and 14737 07:00:44,334 --> 07:00:46,234 need government to to walk and means civil servants and 14738 07:00:46,234 --> 07:00:46,700 means civil servants and ministers need to work 14739 07:00:46,700 --> 07:00:49,233 ministers need to work together. Don’t. For effective 14740 07:00:49,233 --> 07:00:50,800 together. Don’t. For effective managers they don’t make for 14741 07:00:50,800 --> 07:00:52,533 managers they don’t make for effectively, but I mean what is 14742 07:00:52,533 --> 07:00:54,133 effectively, but I mean what is a bully? Dave? What is a bully? 14743 07:00:54,133 --> 07:00:55,067 a bully? Dave? What is a bully? What’s the difference between a 14744 07:00:55,067 --> 07:00:55,967 What’s the difference between a bully and someone who happens 14745 07:00:55,967 --> 07:00:57,800 bully and someone who happens to be robust or tells people 14746 07:00:57,800 --> 07:00:59,267 to be robust or tells people things they don’t like to hear 14747 07:00:59,267 --> 07:01:00,267 things they don’t like to hear Dave. We stop there for no 14748 07:01:00,267 --> 07:01:01,967 Dave. We stop there for no other reason than time. Dave 14749 07:01:01,967 --> 07:01:03,800 other reason than time. Dave Penn, who’s the general 14750 07:01:03,800 --> 07:01:05,300 Penn, who’s the general secretary of the FD Union they 14751 07:01:05,300 --> 07:01:05,966 secretary of the FD Union they represent professionals and 14752 07:01:05,966 --> 07:01:08,267 represent professionals and managers in public service 14753 07:01:08,267 --> 07:01:09,599 managers in public service again. I have to we don’t know 14754 07:01:09,599 --> 07:01:11,267 again. I have to we don’t know the full details of this if it 14755 07:01:11,267 --> 07:01:13,301 the full details of this if it turned out that Patel had done 14756 07:01:13,301 --> 07:01:15,067 turned out that Patel had done absolutely horrendous. I’d be 14757 07:01:15,067 --> 07:01:16,367 absolutely horrendous. I’d be the first so she’s gotta go. 14758 07:01:16,367 --> 07:01:17,767 the first so she’s gotta go. I’m sure that there’s. 14759 07:01:17,767 --> 07:01:19,533 I’m sure that there’s. Hypothetical nature to this, I 14760 07:01:19,533 --> 07:01:21,533 Hypothetical nature to this, I mean, let’s use the pedal if 14761 07:01:21,533 --> 07:01:22,900 mean, let’s use the pedal if you like as a catalyst for the 14762 07:01:22,900 --> 07:01:25,300 you like as a catalyst for the wider issue that we know 14763 07:01:25,300 --> 07:01:26,767 wider issue that we know happens in the curious world, 14764 07:01:26,767 --> 07:01:28,500 happens in the curious world, we found ourselves in uh that a 14765 07:01:28,500 --> 07:01:29,767 we found ourselves in uh that a simple instruction to somebody 14766 07:01:29,767 --> 07:01:31,500 simple instruction to somebody who doesn’t like the feel or 14767 07:01:31,500 --> 07:01:33,300 who doesn’t like the feel or the sense of that instruction 14768 07:01:33,300 --> 07:01:35,466 the sense of that instruction will be seen as bullying and 14769 07:01:35,466 --> 07:01:37,434 will be seen as bullying and that’s where I have. I’ve seen 14770 07:01:37,434 --> 07:01:39,600 that’s where I have. I’ve seen this with my own eyes, time and 14771 07:01:39,600 --> 07:01:41,800 this with my own eyes, time and time and time again. if I 14772 07:01:41,800 --> 07:01:43,434 time and time again. if I hadn’t, I wouldn’t be saying 14773 07:01:43,434 --> 07:01:45,233 hadn’t, I wouldn’t be saying this so I’m aware that there 14774 07:01:45,233 --> 07:01:47,533 this so I’m aware that there can very easily be another to 14775 07:01:47,533 --> 07:01:49,900 can very easily be another to an an allegation of It’s so 14776 07:01:49,900 --> 07:01:51,500 an an allegation of It’s so horrendous when to the minute 14777 07:01:51,500 --> 07:01:53,034 horrendous when to the minute somebody uses that word I feel 14778 07:01:53,034 --> 07:01:55,434 somebody uses that word I feel bullied. And actually what’s 14779 07:01:55,434 --> 07:01:56,399 bullied. And actually what’s happened is that person has 14780 07:01:56,399 --> 07:01:58,766 happened is that person has been asked to change something 14781 07:01:58,766 --> 07:02:00,334 been asked to change something or do something different or 14782 07:02:00,334 --> 07:02:02,834 or do something different or not got a promotion. etcetera 14783 07:02:02,834 --> 07:02:05,834 not got a promotion. etcetera 03491 thousand. It’s 1:30 News 14784 07:02:05,834 --> 07:02:07,534 03491 thousand. It’s 1:30 News headlines with Charlotte Talk 14785 07:02:07,534 --> 07:02:10,000 headlines with Charlotte Talk Radio half hour headlines the 14786 07:02:10,000 --> 07:02:11,800 Radio half hour headlines the Prime Minister has decided that 14787 07:02:11,800 --> 07:02:13,799 Prime Minister has decided that the home secretary didn’t break 14788 07:02:13,799 --> 07:02:15,466 the home secretary didn’t break ministerial code even though an 14789 07:02:15,466 --> 07:02:17,634 ministerial code even though an inquiry into bullying claims 14790 07:02:17,634 --> 07:02:18,833 inquiry into bullying claims found she did Boris Johnson’s 14791 07:02:18,833 --> 07:02:20,199 found she did Boris Johnson’s adviser or ministerial 14792 07:02:20,199 --> 07:02:21,800 adviser or ministerial standards. So Alex Allen has 14793 07:02:21,800 --> 07:02:22,799 standards. So Alex Allen has since resigned, saying it’s for 14794 07:02:22,799 --> 07:02:24,400 since resigned, saying it’s for the PM to decide whether pretty 14795 07:02:24,400 --> 07:02:25,899 the PM to decide whether pretty pat’s behavior mounted to a 14796 07:02:25,899 --> 07:02:27,466 pat’s behavior mounted to a breach. she has since 14797 07:02:27,466 --> 07:02:28,266 breach. she has since apologized for her behavior in 14798 07:02:28,266 --> 07:02:30,733 apologized for her behavior in the past if it’s. Set people 14799 07:02:30,733 --> 07:02:32,699 the past if it’s. Set people and conservative MP Tom to hats 14800 07:02:32,699 --> 07:02:34,000 and conservative MP Tom to hats to talk radio is important that 14801 07:02:34,000 --> 07:02:35,399 to talk radio is important that people take a balance for you. 14802 07:02:35,399 --> 07:02:37,466 people take a balance for you. I think it’s important that we 14803 07:02:37,466 --> 07:02:38,733 I think it’s important that we stand up to defend those who 14804 07:02:38,733 --> 07:02:39,800 stand up to defend those who are bullied and make sure that 14805 07:02:39,800 --> 07:02:41,767 are bullied and make sure that uh bullying is stem out of our 14806 07:02:41,767 --> 07:02:43,899 uh bullying is stem out of our uh institutions for serving 14807 07:02:43,899 --> 07:02:44,699 uh institutions for serving public sector as much as 14808 07:02:44,699 --> 07:02:45,899 public sector as much as possible. Uh but it’s also 14809 07:02:45,899 --> 07:02:47,466 possible. Uh but it’s also important that we have robust 14810 07:02:47,466 --> 07:02:49,466 important that we have robust politicians who are able to uh 14811 07:02:49,466 --> 07:02:50,600 politicians who are able to uh deliver things that people vote 14812 07:02:50,600 --> 07:02:52,434 deliver things that people vote for the number of Corona virus 14813 07:02:52,434 --> 07:02:54,000 for the number of Corona virus infections in England appears 14814 07:02:54,000 --> 07:02:55,466 infections in England appears to have leveled off in recent 14815 07:02:55,466 --> 07:02:56,967 to have leveled off in recent weeks. New figures suggest the 14816 07:02:56,967 --> 07:02:58,099 weeks. New figures suggest the office for National Statistics 14817 07:02:58,099 --> 07:02:59,800 office for National Statistics say numbers. Increased by 14818 07:02:59,800 --> 07:03:01,966 say numbers. Increased by around 38900 in the week, 14819 07:03:01,966 --> 07:03:03,200 around 38900 in the week, ending the fourteenth of 14820 07:03:03,200 --> 07:03:04,400 ending the fourteenth of November. that’s down from 14821 07:03:04,400 --> 07:03:07,034 November. that’s down from around 50000 a week before 14822 07:03:07,034 --> 07:03:08,333 around 50000 a week before there is also substantial 14823 07:03:08,333 --> 07:03:09,034 there is also substantial differences in covenant 14824 07:03:09,034 --> 07:03:11,034 differences in covenant nineteen infection rates across 14825 07:03:11,034 --> 07:03:13,234 nineteen infection rates across the country. Millions of public 14826 07:03:13,234 --> 07:03:15,101 the country. Millions of public sector workers are facing a pay 14827 07:03:15,101 --> 07:03:15,966 sector workers are facing a pay freeze at next week’s suspend 14828 07:03:15,966 --> 07:03:17,034 freeze at next week’s suspend review is a chance that 14829 07:03:17,034 --> 07:03:18,733 review is a chance that attempts to tackle the huge 14830 07:03:18,733 --> 07:03:20,333 attempts to tackle the huge financial hits caused by the 14831 07:03:20,333 --> 07:03:21,200 financial hits caused by the Corona virus, Teachers and 14832 07:03:21,200 --> 07:03:22,099 Corona virus, Teachers and civil servants will be 14833 07:03:22,099 --> 07:03:23,466 civil servants will be affected, but it’s the front 14834 07:03:23,466 --> 07:03:25,966 affected, but it’s the front line. NS workers won’t be Ben 14835 07:03:25,966 --> 07:03:27,466 line. NS workers won’t be Ben from the Institute of Fiscal 14836 07:03:27,466 --> 07:03:29,200 from the Institute of Fiscal Studies, a total. That are pay 14837 07:03:29,200 --> 07:03:31,266 Studies, a total. That are pay for now would be felt harder 14838 07:03:31,266 --> 07:03:32,699 for now would be felt harder after previous government 14839 07:03:32,699 --> 07:03:34,266 after previous government decisions on pay. This isn’t 14840 07:03:34,266 --> 07:03:35,200 decisions on pay. This isn’t the first time governments are 14841 07:03:35,200 --> 07:03:36,300 the first time governments are trying to keep a lid on public 14842 07:03:36,300 --> 07:03:37,966 trying to keep a lid on public sector pay rises as he said it 14843 07:03:37,966 --> 07:03:39,366 sector pay rises as he said it in 2010. But importantly, 14844 07:03:39,366 --> 07:03:40,733 in 2010. But importantly, George Osborne is doing it 14845 07:03:40,733 --> 07:03:42,000 George Osborne is doing it after a decade of reasonably 14846 07:03:42,000 --> 07:03:43,466 after a decade of reasonably generous pay increases the 14847 07:03:43,466 --> 07:03:45,767 generous pay increases the public sector workers this time 14848 07:03:45,767 --> 07:03:46,699 public sector workers this time it’s going to go after a decade 14849 07:03:46,699 --> 07:03:48,799 it’s going to go after a decade of numerous pay caps and pay 14850 07:03:48,799 --> 07:03:51,466 of numerous pay caps and pay freezes a decade when people 14851 07:03:51,466 --> 07:03:52,367 freezes a decade when people accept to pay on average 14852 07:03:52,367 --> 07:03:54,699 accept to pay on average actually fell by 1.3% and a 14853 07:03:54,699 --> 07:03:56,600 actually fell by 1.3% and a Corona virus vaccine looks more 14854 07:03:56,600 --> 07:03:59,500 Corona virus vaccine looks more promising in the US as far. 14855 07:03:59,500 --> 07:04:00,733 promising in the US as far. Text submit an emergency 14856 07:04:00,733 --> 07:04:01,966 Text submit an emergency request for authorization. This 14857 07:04:01,966 --> 07:04:03,466 request for authorization. This means it could be used to treat 14858 07:04:03,466 --> 07:04:04,266 means it could be used to treat people at high risk in the 14859 07:04:04,266 --> 07:04:06,300 people at high risk in the country by mid December and 14860 07:04:06,300 --> 07:04:07,800 country by mid December and looking at the weather, Cloudy 14861 07:04:07,800 --> 07:04:08,434 looking at the weather, Cloudy and windy for most of the 14862 07:04:08,434 --> 07:04:09,899 and windy for most of the afternoon outbreaks of rain in 14863 07:04:09,899 --> 07:04:11,366 afternoon outbreaks of rain in the west that will move 14864 07:04:11,366 --> 07:04:12,833 the west that will move gradually but dry by this 14865 07:04:12,833 --> 07:04:15,399 gradually but dry by this evening, talk radio traffic and 14866 07:04:15,399 --> 07:04:17,767 evening, talk radio traffic and travel the m five and Essex has 14867 07:04:17,767 --> 07:04:19,466 travel the m five and Essex has cues on the clockwise side 14868 07:04:19,466 --> 07:04:20,266 cues on the clockwise side between Junction 26 at Wolf 14869 07:04:20,266 --> 07:04:21,866 between Junction 26 at Wolf from Abby and the m eleven. 14870 07:04:21,866 --> 07:04:23,399 from Abby and the m eleven. There’s some debris on the road 14871 07:04:23,399 --> 07:04:24,733 There’s some debris on the road on that stretch after a 14872 07:04:24,733 --> 07:04:26,099 on that stretch after a breakdown so two lanes are 14873 07:04:26,099 --> 07:04:28,766 breakdown so two lanes are closed The Five in West 14874 07:04:28,766 --> 07:04:29,466 closed The Five in West Midlands is travelling 14875 07:04:29,466 --> 07:04:30,699 Midlands is travelling northbound junction, one and 14876 07:04:30,699 --> 07:04:32,799 northbound junction, one and the msix interchange that’s all 14877 07:04:32,799 --> 07:04:34,367 the msix interchange that’s all down to repairs following a 14878 07:04:34,367 --> 07:04:36,733 down to repairs following a serious accident and the North 14879 07:04:36,733 --> 07:04:38,367 serious accident and the North Atlantic stays closed on the 14880 07:04:38,367 --> 07:04:40,000 Atlantic stays closed on the westbound side between Junction 14881 07:04:40,000 --> 07:04:41,800 westbound side between Junction seven and eight, and that’s 14882 07:04:41,800 --> 07:04:43,466 seven and eight, and that’s because of accident 14883 07:04:43,466 --> 07:04:44,733 because of accident investigation work. 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Uh we’re 14895 07:05:12,934 --> 07:05:14,334 Uh we’re got some of your 14896 07:05:14,334 --> 07:05:15,700 Uh we’re got some of your comments as well. There is uh I 14897 07:05:15,700 --> 07:05:17,901 comments as well. There is uh I don’t want this to be ABC 14898 07:05:17,901 --> 07:05:19,399 don’t want this to be ABC bashing session um by the 14899 07:05:19,399 --> 07:05:20,967 bashing session um by the curious that I got support a a 14900 07:05:20,967 --> 07:05:23,399 curious that I got support a a role for the Bbc’s. just not 14901 07:05:23,399 --> 07:05:26,000 role for the Bbc’s. just not the one it currently has uh but 14902 07:05:26,000 --> 07:05:27,600 the one it currently has uh but we are gonna when we’ll return 14903 07:05:27,600 --> 07:05:28,800 we are gonna when we’ll return to a subject as well. uh that I 14904 07:05:28,800 --> 07:05:29,967 to a subject as well. uh that I mentioned right at the 14905 07:05:29,967 --> 07:05:31,233 mentioned right at the beginning uh about the guy that 14906 07:05:31,233 --> 07:05:32,800 beginning uh about the guy that said, uh just too many white 14907 07:05:32,800 --> 07:05:36,367 said, uh just too many white blocks down there the bees. Uh 14908 07:05:36,367 --> 07:05:38,000 blocks down there the bees. Uh how that’s got a free pass. 14909 07:05:38,000 --> 07:05:40,700 how that’s got a free pass. I’ve got absolutely no idea. It 14910 07:05:40,700 --> 07:05:42,000 I’ve got absolutely no idea. It is just extraordinary, but 14911 07:05:42,000 --> 07:05:44,466 is just extraordinary, but let’s return to the issue of 14912 07:05:44,466 --> 07:05:45,866 let’s return to the issue of the home Secretary apologizing 14913 07:05:45,866 --> 07:05:46,833 the home Secretary apologizing today after a long awaited 14914 07:05:46,833 --> 07:05:48,133 today after a long awaited cabinet office inquiry found 14915 07:05:48,133 --> 07:05:49,667 cabinet office inquiry found she broke the ministerial code 14916 07:05:49,667 --> 07:05:51,800 she broke the ministerial code of ethics over claims of 14917 07:05:51,800 --> 07:05:52,533 of ethics over claims of bullying released a statement 14918 07:05:52,533 --> 07:05:53,500 bullying released a statement saying that she was sorry that 14919 07:05:53,500 --> 07:05:55,933 saying that she was sorry that her behavior in the past had 14920 07:05:55,933 --> 07:05:56,634 her behavior in the past had upset people in the last hour. 14921 07:05:56,634 --> 07:05:57,967 upset people in the last hour. So Alex Allen, the government’s 14922 07:05:57,967 --> 07:06:00,000 So Alex Allen, the government’s standard adviser, has resigned 14923 07:06:00,000 --> 07:06:01,899 standard adviser, has resigned after the PM rejected his 14924 07:06:01,899 --> 07:06:02,967 after the PM rejected his findings that Patel had 14925 07:06:02,967 --> 07:06:04,033 findings that Patel had breached the standards. Boris 14926 07:06:04,033 --> 07:06:05,800 breached the standards. Boris Johnson said he has full. 14927 07:06:05,800 --> 07:06:07,399 Johnson said he has full. Confidence in the home 14928 07:06:07,399 --> 07:06:09,434 Confidence in the home Secretary Claire uh is 14929 07:06:09,434 --> 07:06:11,167 Secretary Claire uh is considering MP for East Surrey 14930 07:06:11,167 --> 07:06:13,300 considering MP for East Surrey um afternoon to you. What’s the 14931 07:06:13,300 --> 07:06:15,567 um afternoon to you. What’s the point you know of having a head 14932 07:06:15,567 --> 07:06:18,867 point you know of having a head of standards if you’re gonna 14933 07:06:18,867 --> 07:06:19,500 of standards if you’re gonna ignore everything, they say. 14934 07:06:19,500 --> 07:06:21,366 ignore everything, they say. Well, you know someone who 14935 07:06:21,366 --> 07:06:22,133 Well, you know someone who works in government. I think it 14936 07:06:22,133 --> 07:06:23,667 works in government. I think it is really important that the PM 14937 07:06:23,667 --> 07:06:25,334 is really important that the PM is the final arbiter He’s 14938 07:06:25,334 --> 07:06:26,999 is the final arbiter He’s looked at the facts that Alex 14939 07:06:26,999 --> 07:06:28,267 looked at the facts that Alex Allen has put together and I 14940 07:06:28,267 --> 07:06:29,800 Allen has put together and I know that Alex Allen said he 14941 07:06:29,800 --> 07:06:31,067 know that Alex Allen said he was right to take the final 14942 07:06:31,067 --> 07:06:33,267 was right to take the final judgement and his judgement has 14943 07:06:33,267 --> 07:06:33,966 judgement and his judgement has been that the home hasn’t 14944 07:06:33,966 --> 07:06:36,167 been that the home hasn’t reached the ministerial code, 14945 07:06:36,167 --> 07:06:39,300 reached the ministerial code, but what one. If you have a man 14946 07:06:39,300 --> 07:06:41,233 but what one. If you have a man who’s in charge of standards 14947 07:06:41,233 --> 07:06:45,333 who’s in charge of standards and concludes that she has then 14948 07:06:45,333 --> 07:06:47,299 and concludes that she has then how is there a further process 14949 07:06:47,299 --> 07:06:49,967 how is there a further process that I can understand the PM 14950 07:06:49,967 --> 07:06:52,600 that I can understand the PM could say, Okay I agree. Yeah. 14951 07:06:52,600 --> 07:06:53,967 could say, Okay I agree. Yeah. that’s fine, but I’m still 14952 07:06:53,967 --> 07:06:55,500 that’s fine, but I’m still gonna keep her but to rejected 14953 07:06:55,500 --> 07:06:57,834 gonna keep her but to rejected and say that she hasn’t seems 14954 07:06:57,834 --> 07:07:00,334 and say that she hasn’t seems to not just dilute but almost 14955 07:07:00,334 --> 07:07:01,800 to not just dilute but almost obliterate the role of having 14956 07:07:01,800 --> 07:07:03,399 obliterate the role of having anybody working as a standard 14957 07:07:03,399 --> 07:07:05,700 anybody working as a standard adviser. surely well, I know I 14958 07:07:05,700 --> 07:07:06,999 adviser. surely well, I know I get this advisers paid a really 14959 07:07:06,999 --> 07:07:07,733 get this advisers paid a really important role. He’s looked at 14960 07:07:07,733 --> 07:07:09,867 important role. He’s looked at all the evidence he’s put that 14961 07:07:09,867 --> 07:07:11,434 all the evidence he’s put that together um that he himself has 14962 07:07:11,434 --> 07:07:12,133 together um that he himself has said it was right for the PM to 14963 07:07:12,133 --> 07:07:13,933 said it was right for the PM to take the final decision. One 14964 07:07:13,933 --> 07:07:15,133 take the final decision. One thing I would say is looking at 14965 07:07:15,133 --> 07:07:16,533 thing I would say is looking at the facts of this. I mean it’s 14966 07:07:16,533 --> 07:07:17,966 the facts of this. I mean it’s a very sort of gray situation. 14967 07:07:17,966 --> 07:07:19,199 a very sort of gray situation. You know, no one told her that 14968 07:07:19,199 --> 07:07:20,834 You know, no one told her that she was upsetting people. there 14969 07:07:20,834 --> 07:07:22,234 she was upsetting people. there was clearly failings of the 14970 07:07:22,234 --> 07:07:23,233 was clearly failings of the civil service. You know it’s 14971 07:07:23,233 --> 07:07:25,500 civil service. You know it’s admitted that she was right to 14972 07:07:25,500 --> 07:07:26,900 admitted that she was right to be frustrated and ultimately 14973 07:07:26,900 --> 07:07:28,267 be frustrated and ultimately she did this really important 14974 07:07:28,267 --> 07:07:29,900 she did this really important job with you delivering police 14975 07:07:29,900 --> 07:07:30,967 job with you delivering police immigration coveted response 14976 07:07:30,967 --> 07:07:32,634 immigration coveted response and all these things and I can 14977 07:07:32,634 --> 07:07:34,800 and all these things and I can understand the PS decided that 14978 07:07:34,800 --> 07:07:35,667 understand the PS decided that actually you know the situation 14979 07:07:35,667 --> 07:07:37,733 actually you know the situation has improved clear issues 14980 07:07:37,733 --> 07:07:38,767 has improved clear issues apologized, and he doesn’t feel 14981 07:07:38,767 --> 07:07:39,599 apologized, and he doesn’t feel that wasn’t a breach that 14982 07:07:39,599 --> 07:07:41,667 that wasn’t a breach that happened. What’s the word on 14983 07:07:41,667 --> 07:07:43,466 happened. What’s the word on the street over there at the. 14984 07:07:43,466 --> 07:07:45,167 the street over there at the. The Tory then uh Claire, I’m 14985 07:07:45,167 --> 07:07:46,800 The Tory then uh Claire, I’m sure you have your you’re a 14986 07:07:46,800 --> 07:07:47,500 sure you have your you’re a trusted member of the 14987 07:07:47,500 --> 07:07:48,599 trusted member of the conservative. I’m sure you’ve 14988 07:07:48,599 --> 07:07:49,934 conservative. I’m sure you’ve got your ear to the ground. I’m 14989 07:07:49,934 --> 07:07:51,399 got your ear to the ground. I’m sure people come to you with 14990 07:07:51,399 --> 07:07:53,034 sure people come to you with all sorts of uh what do we 14991 07:07:53,034 --> 07:07:55,067 all sorts of uh what do we think was going on over there 14992 07:07:55,067 --> 07:07:56,301 think was going on over there at the home office? Well, I 14993 07:07:56,301 --> 07:07:57,133 at the home office? Well, I mean, I have no idea what was 14994 07:07:57,133 --> 07:07:58,766 mean, I have no idea what was going on at the home office, 14995 07:07:58,766 --> 07:07:59,867 going on at the home office, but what I can tell you and you 14996 07:07:59,867 --> 07:08:00,967 but what I can tell you and you have seen over the last couple 14997 07:08:00,967 --> 07:08:02,800 have seen over the last couple of days is that pretty Patel 14998 07:08:02,800 --> 07:08:04,567 of days is that pretty Patel has widespread support in the 14999 07:08:04,567 --> 07:08:05,933 has widespread support in the Tory party, she’s seen as 15000 07:08:05,933 --> 07:08:07,533 Tory party, she’s seen as someone who is robust, she see 15001 07:08:07,533 --> 07:08:09,966 someone who is robust, she see as someone who is delivering 15002 07:08:09,966 --> 07:08:10,733 as someone who is delivering change and this really key 15003 07:08:10,733 --> 07:08:11,834 change and this really key parts of the agenda that we 15004 07:08:11,834 --> 07:08:13,766 parts of the agenda that we care about. By increasing the 15005 07:08:13,766 --> 07:08:14,334 care about. By increasing the numbers changing the 15006 07:08:14,334 --> 07:08:16,467 numbers changing the immigration system and so on, 15007 07:08:16,467 --> 07:08:17,967 immigration system and so on, and I think you know the thing 15008 07:08:17,967 --> 07:08:19,334 and I think you know the thing that’s won her support is the 15009 07:08:19,334 --> 07:08:20,800 that’s won her support is the fact that she’s got a forceful 15010 07:08:20,800 --> 07:08:22,000 fact that she’s got a forceful nature and I think sometimes 15011 07:08:22,000 --> 07:08:23,700 nature and I think sometimes that is needed to try and 15012 07:08:23,700 --> 07:08:24,999 that is needed to try and deliver this really big 15013 07:08:24,999 --> 07:08:28,301 deliver this really big projects Is it okay to bully 15014 07:08:28,301 --> 07:08:28,934 projects Is it okay to bully someone in the workplace? Well? 15015 07:08:28,934 --> 07:08:30,334 someone in the workplace? Well? No, Of course, it’s not okay to 15016 07:08:30,334 --> 07:08:31,733 No, Of course, it’s not okay to bully someone in the workplace, 15017 07:08:31,733 --> 07:08:34,000 bully someone in the workplace, but I don’t think it’s so she 15018 07:08:34,000 --> 07:08:34,767 but I don’t think it’s so she should go then well. I don’t 15019 07:08:34,767 --> 07:08:36,533 should go then well. I don’t think it is very clear what’s 15020 07:08:36,533 --> 07:08:37,467 think it is very clear what’s happened to you If you look at 15021 07:08:37,467 --> 07:08:38,500 happened to you If you look at all the facts like no one had 15022 07:08:38,500 --> 07:08:40,267 all the facts like no one had told her she was upsetting 15023 07:08:40,267 --> 07:08:42,267 told her she was upsetting people um and you know it was 15024 07:08:42,267 --> 07:08:44,334 people um and you know it was on occasion that she may have 15025 07:08:44,334 --> 07:08:45,967 on occasion that she may have raised frustrations and she was 15026 07:08:45,967 --> 07:08:46,867 raised frustrations and she was in a very frustrating you know 15027 07:08:46,867 --> 07:08:48,767 in a very frustrating you know environment she wasn’t being. 15028 07:08:48,767 --> 07:08:50,533 environment she wasn’t being. By the civil service, um so I 15029 07:08:50,533 --> 07:08:52,500 By the civil service, um so I do think it’s very clear what’s 15030 07:08:52,500 --> 07:08:53,867 do think it’s very clear what’s happened. Well, I think what is 15031 07:08:53,867 --> 07:08:54,767 happened. Well, I think what is clear now is that she should 15032 07:08:54,767 --> 07:08:56,567 clear now is that she should get awful sport. She has the PM 15033 07:08:56,567 --> 07:08:57,734 get awful sport. She has the PM support that we know the 15034 07:08:57,734 --> 07:08:58,767 support that we know the situation has improved in the 15035 07:08:58,767 --> 07:09:02,133 situation has improved in the home office and she’s got very 15036 07:09:02,133 --> 07:09:03,399 home office and she’s got very important job to deliver 15037 07:09:03,399 --> 07:09:06,333 important job to deliver Claire. Thank you uh for East 15038 07:09:06,333 --> 07:09:08,933 Claire. Thank you uh for East Surrey. uh she has a very 15039 07:09:08,933 --> 07:09:11,434 Surrey. uh she has a very important job to deliver as a 15040 07:09:11,434 --> 07:09:13,034 important job to deliver as a conservative colleague of hers. 15041 07:09:13,034 --> 07:09:14,334 conservative colleague of hers. Uh I know that comes under the 15042 07:09:14,334 --> 07:09:15,700 Uh I know that comes under the bracket well, she would say 15043 07:09:15,700 --> 07:09:17,234 bracket well, she would say that uh wouldn’t she uh 15044 07:09:17,234 --> 07:09:19,634 that uh wouldn’t she uh somebody has. Uh this is Robert 15045 07:09:19,634 --> 07:09:21,933 somebody has. Uh this is Robert um I work for a company that 15046 07:09:21,933 --> 07:09:22,366 um I work for a company that really care about their 15047 07:09:22,366 --> 07:09:23,967 really care about their employees, However, sometimes 15048 07:09:23,967 --> 07:09:25,167 employees, However, sometimes I’d like a bit of extra 15049 07:09:25,167 --> 07:09:26,500 I’d like a bit of extra pressure as I know this would 15050 07:09:26,500 --> 07:09:27,967 pressure as I know this would get more out of me. I fully 15051 07:09:27,967 --> 07:09:29,901 get more out of me. I fully agree with you about how 15052 07:09:29,901 --> 07:09:31,300 agree with you about how putting the extra pressure on 15053 07:09:31,300 --> 07:09:32,133 putting the extra pressure on when it’s required and that’s 15054 07:09:32,133 --> 07:09:34,334 when it’s required and that’s the problem with the civil 15055 07:09:34,334 --> 07:09:36,000 the problem with the civil service uh and it’s the the 15056 07:09:36,000 --> 07:09:38,267 service uh and it’s the the problem you know my at the 15057 07:09:38,267 --> 07:09:39,934 problem you know my at the Bbc’s a government funded 15058 07:09:39,934 --> 07:09:40,834 Bbc’s a government funded organization where the same 15059 07:09:40,834 --> 07:09:43,399 organization where the same kind of thing you really cannot 15060 07:09:43,399 --> 07:09:45,067 kind of thing you really cannot lose. It was just incredible to 15061 07:09:45,067 --> 07:09:49,334 lose. It was just incredible to watch people squeal and shout. 15062 07:09:49,334 --> 07:09:51,299 watch people squeal and shout. Injustice and be fuming that 15063 07:09:51,299 --> 07:09:52,800 Injustice and be fuming that they might be asked to do 15064 07:09:52,800 --> 07:09:53,599 they might be asked to do something differently. They 15065 07:09:53,599 --> 07:09:55,533 something differently. They might be asked to change their 15066 07:09:55,533 --> 07:09:57,100 might be asked to change their work practices they might be 15067 07:09:57,100 --> 07:09:59,901 work practices they might be asked to stand aside and allow 15068 07:09:59,901 --> 07:10:01,300 asked to stand aside and allow somebody else to do something 15069 07:10:01,300 --> 07:10:03,933 somebody else to do something um it was just a complete 15070 07:10:03,933 --> 07:10:09,299 um it was just a complete culture of a kind of culture I 15071 07:10:09,299 --> 07:10:11,599 culture of a kind of culture I would say, which is tragic 15072 07:10:11,599 --> 07:10:15,866 would say, which is tragic really um I was there for uh a 15073 07:10:15,866 --> 07:10:20,834 really um I was there for uh a year and a half. Or something. 15074 07:10:21,766 --> 07:10:23,901 I can remember you know we’d 15075 07:10:23,901 --> 07:10:25,533 I can remember you know we’d have these editorial meetings 15076 07:10:25,533 --> 07:10:27,866 have these editorial meetings and no senior manager ever said 15077 07:10:27,866 --> 07:10:29,434 and no senior manager ever said anything critical about the 15078 07:10:29,434 --> 07:10:35,066 anything critical about the show ever. I literally ever 15079 07:10:35,066 --> 07:10:36,767 show ever. I literally ever everybody just congratulated 15080 07:10:36,767 --> 07:10:37,733 everybody just congratulated everyone’s fantastic. You have 15081 07:10:37,733 --> 07:10:38,967 everyone’s fantastic. You have a great guest. He’s like well, 15082 07:10:38,967 --> 07:10:40,267 a great guest. He’s like well, hang on a second would have 15083 07:10:40,267 --> 07:10:41,567 hang on a second would have been great guess it wasn’t 15084 07:10:41,567 --> 07:10:42,999 been great guess it wasn’t great. We had this person and 15085 07:10:42,999 --> 07:10:44,234 great. We had this person and then they should never have 15086 07:10:44,234 --> 07:10:45,299 then they should never have been on a breakfast should 15087 07:10:45,299 --> 07:10:46,999 been on a breakfast should never have appeared on, nobody 15088 07:10:46,999 --> 07:10:49,967 never have appeared on, nobody said anything nobody wanted to 15089 07:10:49,967 --> 07:10:51,967 said anything nobody wanted to be in a place where they told 15090 07:10:51,967 --> 07:10:53,267 be in a place where they told somebody what to do in the 15091 07:10:53,267 --> 07:10:54,766 somebody what to do in the minute that they did or the 15092 07:10:54,766 --> 07:10:56,267 minute that they did or the minute they criticize or the 15093 07:10:56,267 --> 07:10:57,434 minute they criticize or the minute they ask for something 15094 07:10:57,434 --> 07:11:00,533 minute they ask for something to alter uh it all hell broke 15095 07:11:00,533 --> 07:11:02,834 to alter uh it all hell broke loose and unions got involved. 15096 07:11:02,834 --> 07:11:05,933 loose and unions got involved. People complained they were. 15097 07:11:05,933 --> 07:11:06,399 People complained they were. Sniping behind people’s 15098 07:11:06,399 --> 07:11:08,367 Sniping behind people’s practice and this by the way I 15099 07:11:08,367 --> 07:11:09,200 practice and this by the way I work with some fantastic people 15100 07:11:09,200 --> 07:11:12,466 work with some fantastic people at the Bbc’s absolutely respect 15101 07:11:12,466 --> 07:11:13,133 at the Bbc’s absolutely respect all of those people know 15102 07:11:13,133 --> 07:11:14,467 all of those people know precisely who they are if some 15103 07:11:14,467 --> 07:11:16,533 precisely who they are if some of them happens to be listening 15104 07:11:16,533 --> 07:11:18,567 of them happens to be listening right now, but I’m talking more 15105 07:11:18,567 --> 07:11:20,500 right now, but I’m talking more about the culture and the 15106 07:11:20,500 --> 07:11:23,299 about the culture and the practice of it takes nothing to 15107 07:11:23,299 --> 07:11:25,800 practice of it takes nothing to snitch on and that snitching 15108 07:11:25,800 --> 07:11:28,366 snitch on and that snitching isn’t based on a cast cast case 15109 07:11:28,366 --> 07:11:30,100 isn’t based on a cast cast case of injustice. It’s based on the 15110 07:11:30,100 --> 07:11:33,400 of injustice. It’s based on the fact that you’ve transposed 15111 07:11:33,400 --> 07:11:34,999 fact that you’ve transposed your own feeling into an 15112 07:11:34,999 --> 07:11:37,300 your own feeling into an injustice. So somebody gets 15113 07:11:37,300 --> 07:11:39,399 injustice. So somebody gets told that they either haven’t 15114 07:11:39,399 --> 07:11:40,999 told that they either haven’t they’re not gonna be covering a 15115 07:11:40,999 --> 07:11:42,567 they’re not gonna be covering a certain shift or somebody else 15116 07:11:42,567 --> 07:11:43,966 certain shift or somebody else is doing it or they’ve been 15117 07:11:43,966 --> 07:11:47,267 is doing it or they’ve been asked to uh refine the way they 15118 07:11:47,267 --> 07:11:48,766 asked to uh refine the way they do something or change a 15119 07:11:48,766 --> 07:11:49,399 do something or change a feature that they’ve been 15120 07:11:49,399 --> 07:11:51,299 feature that they’ve been something like that and they go 15121 07:11:51,299 --> 07:11:52,834 something like that and they go home and they chew on it and 15122 07:11:52,834 --> 07:11:54,333 home and they chew on it and that but you know that bit of 15123 07:11:54,333 --> 07:11:55,334 that but you know that bit of leads that you get in the pit 15124 07:11:55,334 --> 07:11:57,100 leads that you get in the pit of your tummy when you’re 15125 07:11:57,100 --> 07:11:59,767 of your tummy when you’re feeling worried about something 15126 07:11:59,767 --> 07:12:03,567 feeling worried about something and they translate that the 15127 07:12:03,567 --> 07:12:04,133 and they translate that the natural feeling by the way 15128 07:12:04,133 --> 07:12:05,467 natural feeling by the way because you can be it, you can 15129 07:12:05,467 --> 07:12:07,500 because you can be it, you can feel great, you can feel paid 15130 07:12:07,500 --> 07:12:08,534 feel great, you can feel paid off. you can go well. I’m 15131 07:12:08,534 --> 07:12:10,599 off. you can go well. I’m fuming about this but to then. 15132 07:12:10,599 --> 07:12:13,301 fuming about this but to then. Turn that into some kind of 15133 07:12:13,301 --> 07:12:14,334 Turn that into some kind of injustice and then, of course, 15134 07:12:14,334 --> 07:12:15,100 injustice and then, of course, somebody comes along and says 15135 07:12:15,100 --> 07:12:16,300 somebody comes along and says you know this week. we’ve got 15136 07:12:16,300 --> 07:12:17,434 you know this week. we’ve got the counselors in the building 15137 07:12:17,434 --> 07:12:18,567 the counselors in the building and if you’ve got any 15138 07:12:18,567 --> 07:12:19,300 and if you’ve got any grievances and anything you 15139 07:12:19,300 --> 07:12:21,567 grievances and anything you want to say the door is open. 15140 07:12:21,567 --> 07:12:22,767 want to say the door is open. It’s all confidential and you 15141 07:12:22,767 --> 07:12:24,533 It’s all confidential and you go and they all cue up and go. 15142 07:12:24,533 --> 07:12:25,634 go and they all cue up and go. Yeah. This was this happened. 15143 07:12:25,634 --> 07:12:27,766 Yeah. This was this happened. It’s like no. no. I’m sorry you 15144 07:12:27,766 --> 07:12:30,333 It’s like no. no. I’m sorry you cannot translate your feeling 15145 07:12:30,333 --> 07:12:33,299 cannot translate your feeling being annoyed about a decision 15146 07:12:33,299 --> 07:12:34,834 being annoyed about a decision with some kind of you know I’ve 15147 07:12:34,834 --> 07:12:36,667 with some kind of you know I’ve I’ve been made to feel 15148 07:12:36,667 --> 07:12:38,900 I’ve been made to feel uncomfortable so your 15149 07:12:38,900 --> 07:12:41,434 uncomfortable so your uncomfortably translates as an 15150 07:12:41,434 --> 07:12:44,233 uncomfortably translates as an injustice and you. What because 15151 07:12:44,233 --> 07:12:46,734 injustice and you. What because you start getting to that 15152 07:12:46,734 --> 07:12:48,667 you start getting to that territory of mental health when 15153 07:12:48,667 --> 07:12:50,967 territory of mental health when you start talking stress, it’s 15154 07:12:50,967 --> 07:12:52,300 you start talking stress, it’s all hands off. Oh, I’m really 15155 07:12:52,300 --> 07:12:53,100 all hands off. Oh, I’m really sorry. Okay. Don’t worry. we’ll 15156 07:12:53,100 --> 07:12:54,066 sorry. Okay. Don’t worry. we’ll make it happen. Uh yeah. yeah. 15157 07:12:54,066 --> 07:12:55,533 make it happen. Uh yeah. yeah. Yeah. you can do this now. you 15158 07:12:55,533 --> 07:12:56,967 Yeah. you can do this now. you can do that. Don’t worry 15159 07:12:56,967 --> 07:12:58,800 can do that. Don’t worry nothing to see here. It’s an 15160 07:12:58,800 --> 07:12:59,667 nothing to see here. It’s an outrage. It’s an absolute 15161 07:12:59,667 --> 07:13:00,667 outrage. It’s an absolute outrage. This is being done 15162 07:13:00,667 --> 07:13:01,966 outrage. This is being done with other people’s money and I 15163 07:13:01,966 --> 07:13:03,700 with other people’s money and I would imagine in the civil 15164 07:13:03,700 --> 07:13:05,199 would imagine in the civil service. Pretty Patel gone in 15165 07:13:05,199 --> 07:13:07,399 service. Pretty Patel gone in there speak to any former home 15166 07:13:07,399 --> 07:13:08,334 there speak to any former home secretary. They’ll tell you 15167 07:13:08,334 --> 07:13:09,833 secretary. They’ll tell you it’s as mad as a box of frogs 15168 07:13:09,833 --> 07:13:11,199 it’s as mad as a box of frogs down there at the home office. 15169 07:13:11,199 --> 07:13:12,167 down there at the home office. It’s such a massive, it’s still 15170 07:13:12,167 --> 07:13:14,334 It’s such a massive, it’s still a massive. It used to be one 15171 07:13:14,334 --> 07:13:15,967 a massive. It used to be one department. They cut it into 15172 07:13:15,967 --> 07:13:18,533 department. They cut it into two if you remember and form 15173 07:13:18,533 --> 07:13:20,933 two if you remember and form the Ministry of Justice and 15174 07:13:20,933 --> 07:13:22,301 the Ministry of Justice and it’s still massive and 15175 07:13:22,301 --> 07:13:23,199 it’s still massive and bureaucratic so you can imagine 15176 07:13:23,199 --> 07:13:24,733 bureaucratic so you can imagine pretty Patel pitching up going 15177 07:13:24,733 --> 07:13:26,700 pretty Patel pitching up going this is gonna change guys. We 15178 07:13:26,700 --> 07:13:27,900 this is gonna change guys. We need to do this. We need to do 15179 07:13:27,900 --> 07:13:29,301 need to do this. We need to do this. We need to do this and 15180 07:13:29,301 --> 07:13:31,034 this. We need to do this and you can just see the noses put 15181 07:13:31,034 --> 07:13:33,067 you can just see the noses put out of joint and those people 15182 07:13:33,067 --> 07:13:35,767 out of joint and those people going home. Absolutely fuming 15183 07:13:35,767 --> 07:13:37,000 going home. Absolutely fuming they’ve gotta actually work for 15184 07:13:37,000 --> 07:13:39,067 they’ve gotta actually work for their money. They gotta do 15185 07:13:39,067 --> 07:13:41,267 their money. They gotta do something different. I feel I’m 15186 07:13:41,267 --> 07:13:42,667 something different. I feel I’m taking time off stress, Sorry, 15187 07:13:42,667 --> 07:13:44,234 taking time off stress, Sorry, the home sector has made me 15188 07:13:44,234 --> 07:13:47,334 the home sector has made me feel I’m off stressed. Well, 15189 07:13:47,334 --> 07:13:47,967 feel I’m off stressed. Well, that’s bullying isn’t it cuz 15190 07:13:47,967 --> 07:13:49,967 that’s bullying isn’t it cuz I’m off stress but because you 15191 07:13:49,967 --> 07:13:51,900 I’m off stress but because you don’t agree with because you’ve 15192 07:13:51,900 --> 07:13:53,800 don’t agree with because you’ve been asked to do something not 15193 07:13:53,800 --> 07:13:55,301 been asked to do something not necessarily by the way I’ll 15194 07:13:55,301 --> 07:13:56,133 necessarily by the way I’ll caveat this, we don’t know what 15195 07:13:56,133 --> 07:13:58,133 caveat this, we don’t know what happened in the home office, 15196 07:13:58,133 --> 07:13:59,767 happened in the home office, but I can understand the 15197 07:13:59,767 --> 07:14:03,766 but I can understand the culture and and contemporary 15198 07:14:03,766 --> 07:14:05,199 culture and and contemporary response that we sort of seem 15199 07:14:05,199 --> 07:14:07,767 response that we sort of seem to have with all manner of 15200 07:14:07,767 --> 07:14:09,933 to have with all manner of things where if it goes wrong 15201 07:14:09,933 --> 07:14:11,967 things where if it goes wrong you transpose as a grievance 15202 07:14:11,967 --> 07:14:13,900 you transpose as a grievance and the grievance becomes 15203 07:14:13,900 --> 07:14:15,766 and the grievance becomes bullying and you kinda convince 15204 07:14:15,766 --> 07:14:16,999 bullying and you kinda convince yourself where all that’s 15205 07:14:16,999 --> 07:14:19,533 yourself where all that’s actually happened. Is that 15206 07:14:19,533 --> 07:14:21,933 actually happened. Is that somebody more senior than you 15207 07:14:21,933 --> 07:14:23,766 somebody more senior than you has asked you to do something 15208 07:14:23,766 --> 07:14:25,900 has asked you to do something you disagree with. That’s 15209 07:14:25,900 --> 07:14:27,567 you disagree with. That’s usually what happens uh but 15210 07:14:27,567 --> 07:14:28,867 usually what happens uh but over to your workplace, what’s 15211 07:14:28,867 --> 07:14:30,333 over to your workplace, what’s going on over there in your own 15212 07:14:30,333 --> 07:14:31,834 going on over there in your own world? uh none of this by the 15213 07:14:31,834 --> 07:14:35,467 world? uh none of this by the way dilutes the very real um 15214 07:14:35,467 --> 07:14:38,500 way dilutes the very real um and uh chronically upsetting 15215 07:14:38,500 --> 07:14:40,234 and uh chronically upsetting nature of bullying, No one’s 15216 07:14:40,234 --> 07:14:42,199 nature of bullying, No one’s gonna pretend that doesn’t 15217 07:14:42,199 --> 07:14:43,300 gonna pretend that doesn’t happen and if you’ve been on 15218 07:14:43,300 --> 07:14:44,967 happen and if you’ve been on the receiving end of it uh that 15219 07:14:44,967 --> 07:14:46,533 the receiving end of it uh that isn’t a pleasant place to be. I 15220 07:14:46,533 --> 07:14:47,599 isn’t a pleasant place to be. I get it and I wanna hear from 15221 07:14:47,599 --> 07:14:48,899 get it and I wanna hear from you in that respect, but I also 15222 07:14:48,899 --> 07:14:49,966 you in that respect, but I also like to hear from you if you’ve 15223 07:14:49,966 --> 07:14:51,634 like to hear from you if you’ve worked for bosses that it just 15224 07:14:51,634 --> 07:14:52,834 worked for bosses that it just robust. And honest, and they’re 15225 07:14:52,834 --> 07:14:54,900 robust. And honest, and they’re a bit outlandish and a bit 15226 07:14:54,900 --> 07:14:56,000 a bit outlandish and a bit controversial, but boy did they 15227 07:14:56,000 --> 07:14:57,766 controversial, but boy did they get results and they did that 15228 07:14:57,766 --> 07:14:59,333 get results and they did that they’ll never swear up once in 15229 07:14:59,333 --> 07:15:02,967 they’ll never swear up once in a while. So what so what if you 15230 07:15:02,967 --> 07:15:05,367 a while. So what so what if you did that at the Bbc’s you’d 15231 07:15:05,367 --> 07:15:07,034 did that at the Bbc’s you’d need casters on your backside 15232 07:15:07,034 --> 07:15:08,500 need casters on your backside because you your feet wouldn’t 15233 07:15:08,500 --> 07:15:09,967 because you your feet wouldn’t touch the ground as you were 15234 07:15:09,967 --> 07:15:13,800 touch the ground as you were kicked out the door 03491 15235 07:15:13,800 --> 07:15:15,833 kicked out the door 03491 thousand Ian Collins on radio 15236 07:15:15,833 --> 07:15:19,334 thousand Ian Collins on radio it’s quarter to two. On D and 15237 07:15:19,334 --> 07:15:22,833 it’s quarter to two. On D and on the talk radio app talk 15238 07:15:22,833 --> 07:15:25,800 on the talk radio app talk radio shall we sing a Christmas 15239 07:15:25,800 --> 07:15:28,434 radio shall we sing a Christmas tale of a snowflake in the sky. 15240 07:15:28,434 --> 07:15:29,800 tale of a snowflake in the sky. 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Let’s join me for the 15359 07:19:21,034 --> 07:19:22,866 penny. Let’s join me for the perfect weekend breakfast. I’m 15360 07:19:22,866 --> 07:19:23,800 perfect weekend breakfast. I’m going to be reviewing the 15361 07:19:23,800 --> 07:19:27,634 going to be reviewing the papers and I’m going to be. 15362 07:19:36,733 --> 07:19:39,899 Weekday afternoons from one on 15363 07:19:39,899 --> 07:19:43,966 Weekday afternoons from one on top. Uh sure, let’s go to your 15364 07:19:43,966 --> 07:19:45,567 top. Uh sure, let’s go to your uh don’t go down with you in a 15365 07:19:45,567 --> 07:19:46,900 uh don’t go down with you in a second James is in Manchester. 15366 07:19:46,900 --> 07:19:48,434 second James is in Manchester. How’s it going James Uh it’s 15367 07:19:48,434 --> 07:19:50,334 How’s it going James Uh it’s good. How are you? I’m alright? 15368 07:19:50,334 --> 07:19:51,967 good. How are you? I’m alright? Thank you. Yeah. What are your 15369 07:19:51,967 --> 07:19:54,299 Thank you. Yeah. What are your thoughts on bullying? Um so I’m 15370 07:19:54,299 --> 07:19:56,267 thoughts on bullying? Um so I’m speaking from experience um of 15371 07:19:56,267 --> 07:19:58,399 speaking from experience um of myself uh who was subjected to 15372 07:19:58,399 --> 07:20:01,300 myself uh who was subjected to uh workplace bullying now to 15373 07:20:01,300 --> 07:20:02,500 uh workplace bullying now to clarify. I think I don’t think 15374 07:20:02,500 --> 07:20:03,933 clarify. I think I don’t think it tends to happen for 15375 07:20:03,933 --> 07:20:05,334 it tends to happen for management downward as often as 15376 07:20:05,334 --> 07:20:06,933 management downward as often as people make out, I mean often 15377 07:20:06,933 --> 07:20:08,434 people make out, I mean often managers just have to be firm 15378 07:20:08,434 --> 07:20:10,399 managers just have to be firm firm and obviously yeah can be 15379 07:20:10,399 --> 07:20:11,133 firm and obviously yeah can be confused with bullying. I think 15380 07:20:11,133 --> 07:20:12,434 confused with bullying. I think it’s often with fellow 15381 07:20:12,434 --> 07:20:13,733 it’s often with fellow colleagues and things it is 15382 07:20:13,733 --> 07:20:15,933 colleagues and things it is because I. I’ll be on that 15383 07:20:15,933 --> 07:20:17,267 because I. I’ll be on that because that’s we all have 15384 07:20:17,267 --> 07:20:18,900 because that’s we all have workplace banter and I do it. 15385 07:20:18,900 --> 07:20:19,966 workplace banter and I do it. We all do it and I think 15386 07:20:19,966 --> 07:20:22,366 We all do it and I think sometimes it always goes 15387 07:20:22,366 --> 07:20:23,767 sometimes it always goes sometime not always it goes too 15388 07:20:23,767 --> 07:20:24,533 sometime not always it goes too far. What’s the can? I just ask 15389 07:20:24,533 --> 07:20:26,800 far. What’s the can? I just ask you on that point? What’s the 15390 07:20:26,800 --> 07:20:30,434 you on that point? What’s the swearing like in your workplace 15391 07:20:30,434 --> 07:20:31,267 swearing like in your workplace fairly minimal. It does happen, 15392 07:20:31,267 --> 07:20:32,733 fairly minimal. It does happen, but no one gets offended by it. 15393 07:20:32,733 --> 07:20:34,733 but no one gets offended by it. see that’s the the weird thing 15394 07:20:34,733 --> 07:20:36,633 see that’s the the weird thing when I was at the Bbc’s really 15395 07:20:36,633 --> 07:20:39,766 when I was at the Bbc’s really remember anyone, I mean certain 15396 07:20:39,766 --> 07:20:40,267 remember anyone, I mean certain individuals between themselves 15397 07:20:40,267 --> 07:20:42,167 individuals between themselves could swear up, but it wasn’t 15398 07:20:42,167 --> 07:20:43,167 could swear up, but it wasn’t the whereas it’s kind of I 15399 07:20:43,167 --> 07:20:44,434 the whereas it’s kind of I don’t know it. Slightly 15400 07:20:44,434 --> 07:20:45,967 don’t know it. Slightly different in the commercial 15401 07:20:45,967 --> 07:20:48,133 different in the commercial world strangely, but you know 15402 07:20:48,133 --> 07:20:49,533 world strangely, but you know for for some people that seen 15403 07:20:49,533 --> 07:20:51,067 for for some people that seen as intimidating behavior. 15404 07:20:51,067 --> 07:20:52,499 as intimidating behavior. That’s why I asked well to be 15405 07:20:52,499 --> 07:20:53,867 That’s why I asked well to be fair. I mean if you’re caught 15406 07:20:53,867 --> 07:20:55,034 fair. I mean if you’re caught swearing, you might hate. I 15407 07:20:55,034 --> 07:20:56,967 swearing, you might hate. I have a word saying, look. it’s 15408 07:20:56,967 --> 07:20:57,567 have a word saying, look. it’s not professional. Don’t yeah. I 15409 07:20:57,567 --> 07:20:59,767 not professional. Don’t yeah. I don’t think you’d have anyone 15410 07:20:59,767 --> 07:21:00,567 don’t think you’d have anyone complain that you swore unless 15411 07:21:00,567 --> 07:21:01,634 complain that you swore unless you work in an operating 15412 07:21:01,634 --> 07:21:02,367 you work in an operating theater as a surgeon. of 15413 07:21:02,367 --> 07:21:03,967 theater as a surgeon. of course, you know, but then they 15414 07:21:03,967 --> 07:21:04,634 course, you know, but then they might have a problem with that 15415 07:21:04,634 --> 07:21:05,967 might have a problem with that to have more bladder taken out 15416 07:21:05,967 --> 07:21:07,966 to have more bladder taken out by a swear surgeon. That’s 15417 07:21:07,966 --> 07:21:09,299 by a swear surgeon. That’s maybe not ideal, but my may 15418 07:21:09,299 --> 07:21:10,434 maybe not ideal, but my may you’ll be nervous but you’ll be 15419 07:21:10,434 --> 07:21:11,700 you’ll be nervous but you’ll be under for that. you wouldn’t 15420 07:21:11,700 --> 07:21:12,300 under for that. you wouldn’t you wouldn’t think you’d have 15421 07:21:12,300 --> 07:21:14,967 you wouldn’t think you’d have so much. Who knows what gets 15422 07:21:14,967 --> 07:21:16,300 so much. Who knows what gets said when you’re under uh James 15423 07:21:16,300 --> 07:21:18,933 said when you’re under uh James Sorry we digress at it. so what 15424 07:21:18,933 --> 07:21:21,299 Sorry we digress at it. so what happened in your case so um it 15425 07:21:21,299 --> 07:21:22,900 happened in your case so um it started out relatively um we’re 15426 07:21:22,900 --> 07:21:24,267 started out relatively um we’re all good friends. you know 15427 07:21:24,267 --> 07:21:26,000 all good friends. you know fairly close to the team and 15428 07:21:26,000 --> 07:21:27,400 fairly close to the team and the fan was fairly even at that 15429 07:21:27,400 --> 07:21:29,301 the fan was fairly even at that point and you know I really you 15430 07:21:29,301 --> 07:21:31,367 point and you know I really you know, enjoy it at some point 15431 07:21:31,367 --> 07:21:32,500 know, enjoy it at some point and eventually as the months 15432 07:21:32,500 --> 07:21:34,166 and eventually as the months wore on, I know the start to 15433 07:21:34,166 --> 07:21:37,533 wore on, I know the start to get more towards myself um and 15434 07:21:37,533 --> 07:21:39,067 get more towards myself um and not just your casual banter 15435 07:21:39,067 --> 07:21:40,300 not just your casual banter started becoming a bit 15436 07:21:40,300 --> 07:21:42,000 started becoming a bit insidious. I remember I talked 15437 07:21:42,000 --> 07:21:43,167 insidious. I remember I talked to a female colleague about 15438 07:21:43,167 --> 07:21:44,599 to a female colleague about some work and then the next 15439 07:21:44,599 --> 07:21:46,399 some work and then the next day. There would be rumors 15440 07:21:46,399 --> 07:21:47,133 day. There would be rumors coming from from a that I’m 15441 07:21:47,133 --> 07:21:48,933 coming from from a that I’m having an affair of my wife 15442 07:21:48,933 --> 07:21:50,334 having an affair of my wife become speaking to female 15443 07:21:50,334 --> 07:21:52,000 become speaking to female colleagues and again at first, 15444 07:21:52,000 --> 07:21:53,133 colleagues and again at first, she brushes off. you say, Oh, 15445 07:21:53,133 --> 07:21:54,933 she brushes off. you say, Oh, come on stop being stupid guys 15446 07:21:54,933 --> 07:21:57,199 come on stop being stupid guys and then they became more and 15447 07:21:57,199 --> 07:21:58,867 and then they became more and more sniper such such as you 15448 07:21:58,867 --> 07:22:00,000 more sniper such such as you know, they’re person attribute 15449 07:22:00,000 --> 07:22:01,533 know, they’re person attribute or they would anytime even look 15450 07:22:01,533 --> 07:22:02,967 or they would anytime even look in the direction of a colleague 15451 07:22:02,967 --> 07:22:04,133 in the direction of a colleague that happened to be a female. 15452 07:22:04,133 --> 07:22:06,833 that happened to be a female. It got worse and worse Wow and 15453 07:22:06,833 --> 07:22:09,434 It got worse and worse Wow and this was one particular 15454 07:22:09,434 --> 07:22:10,533 this was one particular individual was it. That was no, 15455 07:22:10,533 --> 07:22:12,000 individual was it. That was no, it was a group of about three 15456 07:22:12,000 --> 07:22:14,767 it was a group of about three of them, so you’re you were 15457 07:22:14,767 --> 07:22:16,133 of them, so you’re you were you’re outnumbered right 15458 07:22:16,133 --> 07:22:16,999 you’re outnumbered right defending yourself against one 15459 07:22:16,999 --> 07:22:19,634 defending yourself against one of. Yeah, but when it becomes 15460 07:22:19,634 --> 07:22:21,667 of. Yeah, but when it becomes more, it’s very difficult to 15461 07:22:21,667 --> 07:22:22,734 more, it’s very difficult to hold your ground and eventually 15462 07:22:22,734 --> 07:22:23,334 hold your ground and eventually I got to a point where I 15463 07:22:23,334 --> 07:22:25,634 I got to a point where I remember one particular day. I 15464 07:22:25,634 --> 07:22:26,767 remember one particular day. I went to ask just a question 15465 07:22:26,767 --> 07:22:27,567 went to ask just a question about work to one of my 15466 07:22:27,567 --> 07:22:29,767 about work to one of my colleagues and I just remember 15467 07:22:29,767 --> 07:22:31,300 colleagues and I just remember everyone shredding meat pieces 15468 07:22:31,300 --> 07:22:32,367 everyone shredding meat pieces and I was just I was that guy 15469 07:22:32,367 --> 07:22:33,967 and I was just I was that guy that I need to know an answer 15470 07:22:33,967 --> 07:22:35,599 that I need to know an answer for this for this and I 15471 07:22:35,599 --> 07:22:37,967 for this for this and I couldn’t even get my answer for 15472 07:22:37,967 --> 07:22:39,800 couldn’t even get my answer for work and I remember I got uh I 15473 07:22:39,800 --> 07:22:41,267 work and I remember I got uh I remember just sitting there for 15474 07:22:41,267 --> 07:22:43,133 remember just sitting there for about 45 minutes numb looking 15475 07:22:43,133 --> 07:22:44,267 about 45 minutes numb looking at the computer screen thinking 15476 07:22:44,267 --> 07:22:45,667 at the computer screen thinking I can get help with my work 15477 07:22:45,667 --> 07:22:46,533 I can get help with my work anymore. It’s got to this that 15478 07:22:46,533 --> 07:22:48,100 anymore. It’s got to this that I wasn’t. The band to the band 15479 07:22:48,100 --> 07:22:50,467 I wasn’t. The band to the band who was getting quite vicious 15480 07:22:50,467 --> 07:22:52,000 who was getting quite vicious um and I remember just walking 15481 07:22:52,000 --> 07:22:53,500 um and I remember just walking out of the office and going to 15482 07:22:53,500 --> 07:22:55,200 out of the office and going to one of the meetings. My manager 15483 07:22:55,200 --> 07:22:57,434 one of the meetings. My manager was there and I said I need to 15484 07:22:57,434 --> 07:22:59,334 was there and I said I need to go home um I need to say why 15485 07:22:59,334 --> 07:23:00,066 go home um I need to say why what’s wrong? I just said I 15486 07:23:00,066 --> 07:23:01,333 what’s wrong? I just said I don’t for a while I need to go 15487 07:23:01,333 --> 07:23:03,434 don’t for a while I need to go home. Um you know he let me go 15488 07:23:03,434 --> 07:23:04,900 home. Um you know he let me go without question and I remember 15489 07:23:04,900 --> 07:23:07,300 without question and I remember just getting home and just 15490 07:23:07,300 --> 07:23:09,067 just getting home and just completely um falling apart. 15491 07:23:09,067 --> 07:23:10,867 completely um falling apart. Yeah um I went to the doctor 15492 07:23:10,867 --> 07:23:11,967 Yeah um I went to the doctor and they said right, you know 15493 07:23:11,967 --> 07:23:14,267 and they said right, you know um cuz I’ve got depressed 15494 07:23:14,267 --> 07:23:15,967 um cuz I’ve got depressed tendencies. I can’t slip into 15495 07:23:15,967 --> 07:23:19,533 tendencies. I can’t slip into depression um. And I remember 15496 07:23:19,533 --> 07:23:19,966 depression um. And I remember them saying, look you know, 15497 07:23:19,966 --> 07:23:22,000 them saying, look you know, take some time off just take a 15498 07:23:22,000 --> 07:23:23,301 take some time off just take a week off. Yeah, but you need to 15499 07:23:23,301 --> 07:23:24,767 week off. Yeah, but you need to think they say about 15500 07:23:24,767 --> 07:23:25,966 think they say about medications it can only help 15501 07:23:25,966 --> 07:23:27,233 medications it can only help the symptoms you can’t treat 15502 07:23:27,233 --> 07:23:28,734 the symptoms you can’t treat it. You need to fix the issue. 15503 07:23:28,734 --> 07:23:30,434 it. You need to fix the issue. That’s that is what depression 15504 07:23:30,434 --> 07:23:33,067 That’s that is what depression is totally um and my manager 15505 07:23:33,067 --> 07:23:34,400 is totally um and my manager was very honest. I didn’t tell 15506 07:23:34,400 --> 07:23:35,367 was very honest. I didn’t tell my magic so I was like at the 15507 07:23:35,367 --> 07:23:37,034 my magic so I was like at the end of the day I could I could 15508 07:23:37,034 --> 07:23:37,900 end of the day I could I could small part of me. A bully 15509 07:23:37,900 --> 07:23:39,567 small part of me. A bully victim will always part of them 15510 07:23:39,567 --> 07:23:40,133 victim will always part of them will blame themselves as they 15511 07:23:40,133 --> 07:23:42,299 will blame themselves as they could just be me overreacting. 15512 07:23:42,299 --> 07:23:43,900 could just be me overreacting. So I never told a man the full 15513 07:23:43,900 --> 07:23:44,967 So I never told a man the full story. I just said, look the 15514 07:23:44,967 --> 07:23:46,399 story. I just said, look the bank has sometimes gets a bit 15515 07:23:46,399 --> 07:23:47,367 bank has sometimes gets a bit much and he said. Look I’ll 15516 07:23:47,367 --> 07:23:50,334 much and he said. Look I’ll speak to the team and. We’ll do 15517 07:23:50,334 --> 07:23:52,867 speak to the team and. We’ll do it unofficially um you know it 15518 07:23:52,867 --> 07:23:54,299 it unofficially um you know it never got much better The 15519 07:23:54,299 --> 07:23:55,800 never got much better The individuals eventually left the 15520 07:23:55,800 --> 07:23:56,967 individuals eventually left the team and you know they. this 15521 07:23:56,967 --> 07:23:58,399 team and you know they. this was in my old job and 15522 07:23:58,399 --> 07:23:59,234 was in my old job and eventually or less and when 15523 07:23:59,234 --> 07:24:00,766 eventually or less and when they did leave you know my 15524 07:24:00,766 --> 07:24:01,767 they did leave you know my work. I’ve got so much better 15525 07:24:01,767 --> 07:24:03,766 work. I’ve got so much better and you know I went back to my 15526 07:24:03,766 --> 07:24:05,467 and you know I went back to my old self, so you didn’t have to 15527 07:24:05,467 --> 07:24:07,734 old self, so you didn’t have to leave They all eventually left 15528 07:24:07,734 --> 07:24:09,434 leave They all eventually left they all left on their own um 15529 07:24:09,434 --> 07:24:11,000 they all left on their own um um, but I knew that I was like 15530 07:24:11,000 --> 07:24:12,867 um, but I knew that I was like reality is my company at the 15531 07:24:12,867 --> 07:24:13,634 reality is my company at the time. We don’t get me wrong. 15532 07:24:13,634 --> 07:24:14,500 time. We don’t get me wrong. They were great if they had 15533 07:24:14,500 --> 07:24:15,967 They were great if they had found out bullying was going on 15534 07:24:15,967 --> 07:24:17,734 found out bullying was going on like that there wouldn’t be a 15535 07:24:17,734 --> 07:24:19,034 like that there wouldn’t be a repercussion. Yeah, but the 15536 07:24:19,034 --> 07:24:21,233 repercussion. Yeah, but the problem is if a person isn’t 15537 07:24:21,233 --> 07:24:22,399 problem is if a person isn’t dismiss. not I don’t want 15538 07:24:22,399 --> 07:24:23,234 dismiss. not I don’t want anyone to lose their job and at 15539 07:24:23,234 --> 07:24:24,033 anyone to lose their job and at the end of the day, some people 15540 07:24:24,033 --> 07:24:25,467 the end of the day, some people could take that level of ban, 15541 07:24:25,467 --> 07:24:27,766 could take that level of ban, but I had said on numerous 15542 07:24:27,766 --> 07:24:28,300 but I had said on numerous occasions. Look guys. This is 15543 07:24:28,300 --> 07:24:29,500 occasions. Look guys. This is getting too much and they would 15544 07:24:29,500 --> 07:24:30,999 getting too much and they would just laugh and they will get 15545 07:24:30,999 --> 07:24:32,133 just laugh and they will get worse and worse from that. I 15546 07:24:32,133 --> 07:24:33,299 worse and worse from that. I think you know, I think you’ve 15547 07:24:33,299 --> 07:24:35,034 think you know, I think you’ve identified really James. What 15548 07:24:35,034 --> 07:24:36,434 identified really James. What is you know if your boss if my 15549 07:24:36,434 --> 07:24:37,533 is you know if your boss if my boss comes up to me and said, 15550 07:24:37,533 --> 07:24:39,100 boss comes up to me and said, you know it says May I heard 15551 07:24:39,100 --> 07:24:41,267 you know it says May I heard the show that wasn’t up to 15552 07:24:41,267 --> 07:24:42,299 the show that wasn’t up to anything. frankly, you know you 15553 07:24:42,299 --> 07:24:43,834 anything. frankly, you know you can do far better than that. 15554 07:24:43,834 --> 07:24:45,299 can do far better than that. You had the wrong thing here 15555 07:24:45,299 --> 07:24:47,133 You had the wrong thing here you asked the world. I can take 15556 07:24:47,133 --> 07:24:49,900 you asked the world. I can take that’s fine. But it’s different 15557 07:24:49,900 --> 07:24:52,500 that’s fine. But it’s different when you’ve got colleagues 15558 07:24:52,500 --> 07:24:53,967 when you’ve got colleagues making you feel uncomfortable. 15559 07:24:53,967 --> 07:24:56,334 making you feel uncomfortable. That’s not nice cuz that’s like 15560 07:24:56,334 --> 07:24:57,933 That’s not nice cuz that’s like being the kid that got gets 15561 07:24:57,933 --> 07:25:00,466 being the kid that got gets kicked out of the gang right it 15562 07:25:00,466 --> 07:25:01,599 kicked out of the gang right it was it felt like felt like that 15563 07:25:01,599 --> 07:25:02,967 was it felt like felt like that cuz at one point, like I don’t 15564 07:25:02,967 --> 07:25:04,900 cuz at one point, like I don’t wanna lose your colleagues. You 15565 07:25:04,900 --> 07:25:06,066 wanna lose your colleagues. You know at one point, we’re having 15566 07:25:06,066 --> 07:25:07,300 know at one point, we’re having a laugh with but then at the 15567 07:25:07,300 --> 07:25:08,467 a laugh with but then at the same time like this isn’t funny 15568 07:25:08,467 --> 07:25:09,933 same time like this isn’t funny anymore. This isn’t fun. I’m 15569 07:25:09,933 --> 07:25:12,000 anymore. This isn’t fun. I’m not having fun if I say 15570 07:25:12,000 --> 07:25:13,800 not having fun if I say something I’m definitely gone 15571 07:25:13,800 --> 07:25:15,834 something I’m definitely gone um and it could get worse. I 15572 07:25:15,834 --> 07:25:16,999 um and it could get worse. I think as you say if you make a 15573 07:25:16,999 --> 07:25:19,167 think as you say if you make a mistake. Work and gems come on 15574 07:25:19,167 --> 07:25:19,900 mistake. Work and gems come on what are you doing? I was like 15575 07:25:19,900 --> 07:25:21,667 what are you doing? I was like you know what I made a mistake 15576 07:25:21,667 --> 07:25:24,434 you know what I made a mistake hold my hands up again um but 15577 07:25:24,434 --> 07:25:25,533 hold my hands up again um but listen James. It’s a great 15578 07:25:25,533 --> 07:25:26,967 listen James. It’s a great call. I’m glad you got it back 15579 07:25:26,967 --> 07:25:27,667 call. I’m glad you got it back on track as well. Thank you 15580 07:25:27,667 --> 07:25:29,467 on track as well. Thank you James in Manchester. I think 15581 07:25:29,467 --> 07:25:31,167 James in Manchester. I think the problem comes that just to 15582 07:25:31,167 --> 07:25:32,467 the problem comes that just to pick up on the last point cuz 15583 07:25:32,467 --> 07:25:33,933 pick up on the last point cuz what he went through is the 15584 07:25:33,933 --> 07:25:35,301 what he went through is the idea that he group you know 15585 07:25:35,301 --> 07:25:37,334 idea that he group you know that is kinda classic 15586 07:25:37,334 --> 07:25:38,000 that is kinda classic playgrounds. You know it is 15587 07:25:38,000 --> 07:25:39,667 playgrounds. You know it is what some kids are faced some 15588 07:25:39,667 --> 07:25:41,934 what some kids are faced some sadly some kids go through uh 15589 07:25:41,934 --> 07:25:43,634 sadly some kids go through uh where they do pick off. uh you 15590 07:25:43,634 --> 07:25:45,434 where they do pick off. uh you know a particular character for 15591 07:25:45,434 --> 07:25:46,400 know a particular character for whatever reason not always by 15592 07:25:46,400 --> 07:25:48,667 whatever reason not always by the way. It’s not always is it 15593 07:25:48,667 --> 07:25:49,900 the way. It’s not always is it the character that you think is 15594 07:25:49,900 --> 07:25:51,700 the character that you think is going to be uh it was I was 15595 07:25:51,700 --> 07:25:52,767 going to be uh it was I was reading about the about the 15596 07:25:52,767 --> 07:25:53,934 reading about the about the other day that bullied that 15597 07:25:53,934 --> 07:25:55,034 other day that bullied that Scott couldn’t believe there 15598 07:25:55,034 --> 07:25:56,867 Scott couldn’t believe there was somebody that sort of hard 15599 07:25:56,867 --> 07:25:57,967 was somebody that sort of hard man. image kind of thing uh 15600 07:25:57,967 --> 07:25:59,467 man. image kind of thing uh who’d had a terrible time. so 15601 07:25:59,467 --> 07:26:01,133 who’d had a terrible time. so it’s not always that person 15602 07:26:01,133 --> 07:26:03,034 it’s not always that person that you might think think it 15603 07:26:03,034 --> 07:26:04,800 that you might think think it would be you know perhaps 15604 07:26:04,800 --> 07:26:06,866 would be you know perhaps disproportionately so but when 15605 07:26:06,866 --> 07:26:07,599 disproportionately so but when it comes to the but your boss 15606 07:26:07,599 --> 07:26:09,933 it comes to the but your boss tells you that you’re doing 15607 07:26:09,933 --> 07:26:11,133 tells you that you’re doing something wrong and your boss 15608 07:26:11,133 --> 07:26:12,667 something wrong and your boss tells you you need to get your 15609 07:26:12,667 --> 07:26:13,966 tells you you need to get your act together. uh you work in 15610 07:26:13,966 --> 07:26:15,434 act together. uh you work in the civil service, No boss 15611 07:26:15,434 --> 07:26:16,634 the civil service, No boss tells you that you don’t ever 15612 07:26:16,634 --> 07:26:19,034 tells you that you don’t ever get that. 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Players must be sixty or over across 15741 07:30:22,699 --> 07:30:27,034 must be sixty or over across the UK online and on talk radio 15742 07:30:27,034 --> 07:30:30,099 the UK online and on talk radio on. 15743 07:30:30,333 --> 07:30:32,967 On the way at 2 PM overall home 15744 07:30:32,967 --> 07:30:34,400 On the way at 2 PM overall home secretary inquiry findings 15745 07:30:34,400 --> 07:30:36,099 secretary inquiry findings covet nineteen infections level 15746 07:30:36,099 --> 07:30:37,466 covet nineteen infections level off and Jeremy Carl an 15747 07:30:37,466 --> 07:30:40,000 off and Jeremy Carl an interested person inquest talk 15748 07:30:40,000 --> 07:30:42,400 interested person inquest talk Radio The news the Prime 15749 07:30:42,400 --> 07:30:43,734 Radio The news the Prime minister has faced backlash 15750 07:30:43,734 --> 07:30:44,833 minister has faced backlash after standing by the home 15751 07:30:44,833 --> 07:30:46,699 after standing by the home secretary after an inquiry 15752 07:30:46,699 --> 07:30:47,899 secretary after an inquiry found she broke a ministerial 15753 07:30:47,899 --> 07:30:49,366 found she broke a ministerial code over bullying claims the 15754 07:30:49,366 --> 07:30:50,799 code over bullying claims the government’s adviser or 15755 07:30:50,799 --> 07:30:52,266 government’s adviser or ministerial standards that Alex 15756 07:30:52,266 --> 07:30:54,333 ministerial standards that Alex Allen founds Pat’s approach 15757 07:30:54,333 --> 07:30:55,034 Allen founds Pat’s approach amounted to behavior that can 15758 07:30:55,034 --> 07:30:57,034 amounted to behavior that can be described as bullying, but 15759 07:30:57,034 --> 07:30:58,400 be described as bullying, but he has since resigned as his 15760 07:30:58,400 --> 07:30:59,966 he has since resigned as his decision was overruled by 15761 07:30:59,966 --> 07:31:01,634 decision was overruled by mister Johnson. Dave Pen, 15762 07:31:01,634 --> 07:31:03,200 mister Johnson. Dave Pen, General Secretary of the FD 15763 07:31:03,200 --> 07:31:05,634 General Secretary of the FD Union, has total radio he. The 15764 07:31:05,634 --> 07:31:06,733 Union, has total radio he. The PM has made a political 15765 07:31:06,733 --> 07:31:08,799 PM has made a political decision rather than a decision 15766 07:31:08,799 --> 07:31:10,600 decision rather than a decision based on facts she chores when 15767 07:31:10,600 --> 07:31:12,166 based on facts she chores when he became prime Minister to put 15768 07:31:12,166 --> 07:31:14,300 he became prime Minister to put front and center and has dawn 15769 07:31:14,300 --> 07:31:15,899 front and center and has dawn Watson and his own for one to 15770 07:31:15,899 --> 07:31:18,367 Watson and his own for one to the court. There must be no 15771 07:31:18,367 --> 07:31:19,834 the court. There must be no gluing and no have asked what 15772 07:31:19,834 --> 07:31:21,466 gluing and no have asked what was the point of that is when 15773 07:31:21,466 --> 07:31:23,767 was the point of that is when the evidence suspend of Gru he 15774 07:31:23,767 --> 07:31:25,433 the evidence suspend of Gru he chooses to ignore Coronavirus 15775 07:31:25,433 --> 07:31:26,866 chooses to ignore Coronavirus infections in England appeared 15776 07:31:26,866 --> 07:31:28,733 infections in England appeared to have leveled off new figures 15777 07:31:28,733 --> 07:31:29,634 to have leveled off new figures show the office for National 15778 07:31:29,634 --> 07:31:30,733 show the office for National Statistics say numbers increase 15779 07:31:30,733 --> 07:31:33,299 Statistics say numbers increase by around 38900 in the week 15780 07:31:33,299 --> 07:31:35,899 by around 38900 in the week ending fourteenth. November the 15781 07:31:35,899 --> 07:31:36,434 ending fourteenth. November the week before that infections 15782 07:31:36,434 --> 07:31:38,400 week before that infections were at around 50000. 15783 07:31:38,400 --> 07:31:40,333 were at around 50000. Meanwhile, the Uk’s virus 15784 07:31:40,333 --> 07:31:42,333 Meanwhile, the Uk’s virus reproduction number has fallen 15785 07:31:42,333 --> 07:31:43,767 reproduction number has fallen slightly to between one and 15786 07:31:43,767 --> 07:31:46,367 slightly to between one and 1.1. A senior MP is total radio 15787 07:31:46,367 --> 07:31:47,466 1.1. A senior MP is total radio that it would be unwise for MP 15788 07:31:47,466 --> 07:31:48,367 that it would be unwise for MP to get a pay rise next year 15789 07:31:48,367 --> 07:31:50,367 to get a pay rise next year when public sector workers look 15790 07:31:50,367 --> 07:31:52,000 when public sector workers look set to get a pay freeze front 15791 07:31:52,000 --> 07:31:53,433 set to get a pay freeze front line workers will be exempt 15792 07:31:53,433 --> 07:31:54,866 line workers will be exempt from the Chancellor’s plans in 15793 07:31:54,866 --> 07:31:56,300 from the Chancellor’s plans in an effort to to tackle the 15794 07:31:56,300 --> 07:31:58,600 an effort to to tackle the impacts of the pandemic. MPs 15795 07:31:58,600 --> 07:31:59,966 impacts of the pandemic. MPs are set to get a pay rise of 15796 07:31:59,966 --> 07:32:01,433 are set to get a pay rise of 3000 pounds next year, which 15797 07:32:01,433 --> 07:32:03,034 3000 pounds next year, which was decided by an independent 15798 07:32:03,034 --> 07:32:05,433 was decided by an independent body. This is. MP Tom you’re 15799 07:32:05,433 --> 07:32:06,266 body. This is. MP Tom you’re gonna have I do think it would 15800 07:32:06,266 --> 07:32:08,600 gonna have I do think it would be wrong for them to put up 15801 07:32:08,600 --> 07:32:10,000 be wrong for them to put up politicians pay if a public 15802 07:32:10,000 --> 07:32:11,966 politicians pay if a public sector workers are not you know 15803 07:32:11,966 --> 07:32:12,934 sector workers are not you know not going up at the same time. 15804 07:32:12,934 --> 07:32:14,099 not going up at the same time. I mean you know, I think that’s 15805 07:32:14,099 --> 07:32:15,200 I mean you know, I think that’s I think that’s placing the 15806 07:32:15,200 --> 07:32:16,434 I think that’s placing the obvious that politicians should 15807 07:32:16,434 --> 07:32:18,000 obvious that politicians should be in line with public sector 15808 07:32:18,000 --> 07:32:18,833 be in line with public sector workers more than 2000000 15809 07:32:18,833 --> 07:32:20,300 workers more than 2000000 people in Scotland will have 15810 07:32:20,300 --> 07:32:21,634 people in Scotland will have coronavirus restrictions 15811 07:32:21,634 --> 07:32:23,299 coronavirus restrictions tightened this evening from 6 15812 07:32:23,299 --> 07:32:24,699 tightened this evening from 6 PM eleven areas in the central 15813 07:32:24,699 --> 07:32:26,799 PM eleven areas in the central and Western regions, including 15814 07:32:26,799 --> 07:32:28,000 and Western regions, including Glasgow, will enter the highest 15815 07:32:28,000 --> 07:32:29,634 Glasgow, will enter the highest level of rules for the next 3 15816 07:32:29,634 --> 07:32:31,200 level of rules for the next 3 weeks. Only essential travel is 15817 07:32:31,200 --> 07:32:32,099 weeks. Only essential travel is allowed, but schools will 15818 07:32:32,099 --> 07:32:33,634 allowed, but schools will remain open. Scotland’s first 15819 07:32:33,634 --> 07:32:35,466 remain open. Scotland’s first minister Nicholas Surgeon says 15820 07:32:35,466 --> 07:32:36,333 minister Nicholas Surgeon says there’s a clear objective 15821 07:32:36,333 --> 07:32:37,966 there’s a clear objective advice to people living in 15822 07:32:37,966 --> 07:32:39,200 advice to people living in level four areas is not to go 15823 07:32:39,200 --> 07:32:41,800 level four areas is not to go out in a. If you can avoid it 15824 07:32:41,800 --> 07:32:43,899 out in a. If you can avoid it over this three-week period, uh 15825 07:32:43,899 --> 07:32:45,899 over this three-week period, uh if we all try to abide by that, 15826 07:32:45,899 --> 07:32:47,899 if we all try to abide by that, then we will get these 15827 07:32:47,899 --> 07:32:49,800 then we will get these infection levels down more 15828 07:32:49,800 --> 07:32:50,833 infection levels down more quickly and Jeremy Carl may 15829 07:32:50,833 --> 07:32:52,600 quickly and Jeremy Carl may have caused or contributed to 15830 07:32:52,600 --> 07:32:54,000 have caused or contributed to the death of a man who appeared 15831 07:32:54,000 --> 07:32:56,099 the death of a man who appeared on his TV chat show, according 15832 07:32:56,099 --> 07:32:57,399 on his TV chat show, according to a The presenter has been 15833 07:32:57,399 --> 07:32:58,799 to a The presenter has been named an interested person in a 15834 07:32:58,799 --> 07:33:00,400 named an interested person in a pre inquest review to Steve 15835 07:33:00,400 --> 07:33:02,000 pre inquest review to Steve Diamonds death The 63 year old 15836 07:33:02,000 --> 07:33:03,899 Diamonds death The 63 year old is suspected of taken his own 15837 07:33:03,899 --> 07:33:05,466 is suspected of taken his own life at his home in Portsmouth 15838 07:33:05,466 --> 07:33:07,533 life at his home in Portsmouth in May last year, Talk Radio 15839 07:33:07,533 --> 07:33:09,966 in May last year, Talk Radio National Weather Cloud. Wendy 15840 07:33:09,966 --> 07:33:11,466 National Weather Cloud. Wendy for most of the UK this 15841 07:33:11,466 --> 07:33:12,500 for most of the UK this afternoon outbreaks of rain in 15842 07:33:12,500 --> 07:33:13,733 afternoon outbreaks of rain in the west that will move 15843 07:33:13,733 --> 07:33:15,299 the west that will move gradually but dry by this 15844 07:33:15,299 --> 07:33:17,899 gradually but dry by this evening talk Radio 15845 07:33:17,899 --> 07:33:19,366 evening talk Radio Entertainment News The Vatican 15846 07:33:19,366 --> 07:33:21,266 Entertainment News The Vatican is investigating how Pope 15847 07:33:21,266 --> 07:33:23,034 is investigating how Pope Francis Instagram account 15848 07:33:23,034 --> 07:33:24,367 Francis Instagram account appeared to like a photo of a 15849 07:33:24,367 --> 07:33:26,000 appeared to like a photo of a Brazilian model. A spokesman 15850 07:33:26,000 --> 07:33:26,799 Brazilian model. 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Gamble.org talk Radio Ian Collins weekday 15876 07:34:14,333 --> 07:34:18,301 talk Radio Ian Collins weekday afternoons from one on Radio 15877 07:34:18,301 --> 07:34:20,300 afternoons from one on Radio 491 1000 my goodness it’s going 15878 07:34:20,300 --> 07:34:21,767 491 1000 my goodness it’s going to get busy shocking news by 15879 07:34:21,767 --> 07:34:23,933 to get busy shocking news by the way from the state 15880 07:34:23,933 --> 07:34:25,267 the way from the state broadcaster one of the Bbc’s 15881 07:34:25,267 --> 07:34:27,034 broadcaster one of the Bbc’s most senior managers has a 15882 07:34:27,034 --> 07:34:28,934 most senior managers has a problem with white people, The 15883 07:34:28,934 --> 07:34:30,533 problem with white people, The only non-white editor at the 15884 07:34:30,533 --> 07:34:32,100 only non-white editor at the time works to Abc Sports didn’t 15885 07:34:32,100 --> 07:34:33,634 time works to Abc Sports didn’t work for the news gathering so 15886 07:34:33,634 --> 07:34:34,967 work for the news gathering so every single one of the artists 15887 07:34:34,967 --> 07:34:35,967 every single one of the artists in gathering was a white man. 15888 07:34:35,967 --> 07:34:38,300 in gathering was a white man. Now, I don’t think anybody can 15889 07:34:38,300 --> 07:34:39,966 Now, I don’t think anybody can possibly think that’s right. 15890 07:34:39,966 --> 07:34:41,400 possibly think that’s right. Okay. Jonathan Monroe that. 15891 07:34:41,400 --> 07:34:42,999 Okay. Jonathan Monroe that. That it says he doesn’t want 15892 07:34:42,999 --> 07:34:45,400 That it says he doesn’t want his editorial meetings to be 15893 07:34:45,400 --> 07:34:47,067 his editorial meetings to be dominated by what white folk 15894 07:34:47,067 --> 07:34:48,533 dominated by what white folk think he’s obviously been on 15895 07:34:48,533 --> 07:34:50,333 think he’s obviously been on the course. what a who would 15896 07:34:50,333 --> 07:34:51,867 the course. what a who would even go there by the way 15897 07:34:51,867 --> 07:34:54,800 even go there by the way details on the way and this 15898 07:34:54,800 --> 07:34:56,566 details on the way and this woman has questions to answer 15899 07:34:56,566 --> 07:34:57,900 woman has questions to answer there is a police investigation 15900 07:34:57,900 --> 07:34:59,567 there is a police investigation taking place right now and this 15901 07:34:59,567 --> 07:35:01,334 taking place right now and this offender clearly had some clear 15902 07:35:01,334 --> 07:35:03,167 offender clearly had some clear history in relation to counter 15903 07:35:03,167 --> 07:35:04,500 history in relation to counter terrorism offenses, But I think 15904 07:35:04,500 --> 07:35:06,800 terrorism offenses, But I think I should also say that only 2 15905 07:35:06,800 --> 07:35:09,134 I should also say that only 2 weeks ago post the fishman who 15906 07:35:09,134 --> 07:35:10,367 weeks ago post the fishman who attacks are very clear package 15907 07:35:10,367 --> 07:35:12,933 attacks are very clear package of me. Basically, all named at 15908 07:35:12,933 --> 07:35:14,133 of me. Basically, all named at counter terrorism and counter 15909 07:35:14,133 --> 07:35:15,567 counter terrorism and counter terrorist offenders now it’s 15910 07:35:15,567 --> 07:35:17,933 terrorist offenders now it’s terrorist offenders. Patel not 15911 07:35:17,933 --> 07:35:19,267 terrorist offenders. Patel not counter Terry don’t need that, 15912 07:35:19,267 --> 07:35:20,833 counter Terry don’t need that, but I don’t think she’s been a 15913 07:35:20,833 --> 07:35:22,234 but I don’t think she’s been a great home secretary uh but is 15914 07:35:22,234 --> 07:35:23,500 great home secretary uh but is she a bully? She’s been accused 15915 07:35:23,500 --> 07:35:25,734 she a bully? She’s been accused of that? uh and of course, you 15916 07:35:25,734 --> 07:35:27,434 of that? uh and of course, you know many calling her to go If 15917 07:35:27,434 --> 07:35:28,867 know many calling her to go If you think there’s nothing to 15918 07:35:28,867 --> 07:35:30,033 you think there’s nothing to see here on what basis do we 15919 07:35:30,033 --> 07:35:32,334 see here on what basis do we give a senior politician a free 15920 07:35:32,334 --> 07:35:33,800 give a senior politician a free pass speaking on this program 15921 07:35:33,800 --> 07:35:35,267 pass speaking on this program earlier, Claire the 15922 07:35:35,267 --> 07:35:37,167 earlier, Claire the Conservative MP of the Home 15923 07:35:37,167 --> 07:35:38,500 Conservative MP of the Home office, was a frustrating 15924 07:35:38,500 --> 07:35:39,333 office, was a frustrating environment to work in no one 15925 07:35:39,333 --> 07:35:41,800 environment to work in no one had told us. Obsessing people 15926 07:35:41,800 --> 07:35:43,533 had told us. Obsessing people It was on occasion that she may 15927 07:35:43,533 --> 07:35:44,599 It was on occasion that she may have raised frustrations and 15928 07:35:44,599 --> 07:35:46,399 have raised frustrations and she was in a very environment. 15929 07:35:46,399 --> 07:35:48,800 she was in a very environment. She wasn’t being supported by 15930 07:35:48,800 --> 07:35:49,500 She wasn’t being supported by the civil service. so I don’t 15931 07:35:49,500 --> 07:35:50,734 the civil service. so I don’t think it’s very clear what’s 15932 07:35:50,734 --> 07:35:52,867 think it’s very clear what’s happened details on the way and 15933 07:35:52,867 --> 07:35:54,667 happened details on the way and 3 weeks on and it’s still 15934 07:35:54,667 --> 07:35:56,800 3 weeks on and it’s still unresolved. This is an 15935 07:35:56,800 --> 07:35:57,766 unresolved. This is an embarrassment to our country. 15936 07:35:57,766 --> 07:35:59,500 embarrassment to our country. We were getting ready to win 15937 07:35:59,500 --> 07:36:02,500 We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did 15938 07:36:02,500 --> 07:36:05,434 this election. Frankly, we did win this election. Yeah, one 15939 07:36:05,434 --> 07:36:07,167 win this election. Yeah, one problem with that. Oh, what is 15940 07:36:07,167 --> 07:36:09,466 problem with that. Oh, what is it? Hang on? Yeah, you didn’t. 15941 07:36:09,466 --> 07:36:10,133 it? Hang on? Yeah, you didn’t. That’s what it is despite the 15942 07:36:10,133 --> 07:36:12,434 That’s what it is despite the loud voices the multiple press 15943 07:36:12,434 --> 07:36:14,867 loud voices the multiple press conferences, Rudy Giuliani 15944 07:36:14,867 --> 07:36:16,634 conferences, Rudy Giuliani literally sweating so there is 15945 07:36:16,634 --> 07:36:17,800 literally sweating so there is still no evidence of the 15946 07:36:17,800 --> 07:36:19,867 still no evidence of the alleged evidence. Trump did not 15947 07:36:19,867 --> 07:36:21,299 alleged evidence. Trump did not win the election. so what next 15948 07:36:21,299 --> 07:36:25,333 win the election. so what next how much longer can this muppet 15949 07:36:25,333 --> 07:36:26,000 how much longer can this muppet show Fox chronic? Well, That’s 15950 07:36:26,000 --> 07:36:27,799 show Fox chronic? Well, That’s all the breaking news right 15951 07:36:27,799 --> 07:36:31,034 all the breaking news right here on talk Radio 03491 15952 07:36:31,034 --> 07:36:32,999 here on talk Radio 03491 thousand in weekday afternoons 15953 07:36:32,999 --> 07:36:35,334 thousand in weekday afternoons from. One one to radio let’s 15954 07:36:35,334 --> 07:36:37,301 from. One one to radio let’s stick with a kind of a theme 15955 07:36:37,301 --> 07:36:38,901 stick with a kind of a theme here really in terms of public 15956 07:36:38,901 --> 07:36:40,634 here really in terms of public sector workers nearly 4000000 15957 07:36:40,634 --> 07:36:41,599 sector workers nearly 4000000 public sector workers, 15958 07:36:41,599 --> 07:36:43,100 public sector workers, including teachers, police 15959 07:36:43,100 --> 07:36:44,733 including teachers, police officers firefighters members 15960 07:36:44,733 --> 07:36:46,000 officers firefighters members of the armed forces could face 15961 07:36:46,000 --> 07:36:48,634 of the armed forces could face a pay freeze next year in order 15962 07:36:48,634 --> 07:36:50,133 a pay freeze next year in order to help repair the nation’s 15963 07:36:50,133 --> 07:36:52,400 to help repair the nation’s public finances. Ricky is 15964 07:36:52,400 --> 07:36:53,600 public finances. Ricky is expected to use his spreading 15965 07:36:53,600 --> 07:36:55,167 expected to use his spreading review next week to announce 15966 07:36:55,167 --> 07:36:57,299 review next week to announce there must be pay restraint to 15967 07:36:57,299 --> 07:36:58,900 there must be pay restraint to deal with the devastating 15968 07:36:58,900 --> 07:37:01,267 deal with the devastating economic cost of the pandemic. 15969 07:37:01,267 --> 07:37:02,367 economic cost of the pandemic. in response, unions have said 15970 07:37:02,367 --> 07:37:04,467 in response, unions have said the free. Would hurt workers 15971 07:37:04,467 --> 07:37:06,933 the free. Would hurt workers who remain at the heart of the 15972 07:37:06,933 --> 07:37:08,799 who remain at the heart of the fight against Covid-nineteen, 15973 07:37:08,799 --> 07:37:10,900 fight against Covid-nineteen, but as tens of thousands of 15974 07:37:10,900 --> 07:37:12,700 but as tens of thousands of private sector workers face pay 15975 07:37:12,700 --> 07:37:14,800 private sector workers face pay cuts or even losing their job 15976 07:37:14,800 --> 07:37:16,634 cuts or even losing their job can the public sector justify 15977 07:37:16,634 --> 07:37:18,000 can the public sector justify their anger at the possibility 15978 07:37:18,000 --> 07:37:20,367 their anger at the possibility of a mere pay freeze? Uh let’s 15979 07:37:20,367 --> 07:37:21,767 of a mere pay freeze? Uh let’s speak with Harry Quilter 15980 07:37:21,767 --> 07:37:23,267 speak with Harry Quilter associate director at the 15981 07:37:23,267 --> 07:37:25,133 associate director at the Institute for Public Policy 15982 07:37:25,133 --> 07:37:27,067 Institute for Public Policy Research. That’s a left-wing 15983 07:37:27,067 --> 07:37:28,267 Research. That’s a left-wing think tank and professor Lynn 15984 07:37:28,267 --> 07:37:29,767 think tank and professor Lynn Shackleton, Professor of 15985 07:37:29,767 --> 07:37:31,034 Shackleton, Professor of Economics University of 15986 07:37:31,034 --> 07:37:33,899 Economics University of Buckingham, um. First of all, 15987 07:37:33,899 --> 07:37:35,500 Buckingham, um. First of all, uh I need look, it’s inevitable 15988 07:37:35,500 --> 07:37:37,867 uh I need look, it’s inevitable isn’t if you work in the public 15989 07:37:37,867 --> 07:37:39,434 isn’t if you work in the public sector once in a while by 15990 07:37:39,434 --> 07:37:40,734 sector once in a while by definition of your public 15991 07:37:40,734 --> 07:37:42,434 definition of your public sector status, you might be 15992 07:37:42,434 --> 07:37:44,934 sector status, you might be subject to a pay freeze, isn’t 15993 07:37:44,934 --> 07:37:47,067 subject to a pay freeze, isn’t it as simple as that? Well, I 15994 07:37:47,067 --> 07:37:49,467 it as simple as that? Well, I think it is the at the moment I 15995 07:37:49,467 --> 07:37:50,933 think it is the at the moment I think there’s very there’s very 15996 07:37:50,933 --> 07:37:52,334 think there’s very there’s very good case for saying that and 15997 07:37:52,334 --> 07:37:54,334 good case for saying that and strains on public sector pay. 15998 07:37:54,334 --> 07:37:55,399 strains on public sector pay. and if you see what’s happened 15999 07:37:55,399 --> 07:37:56,434 and if you see what’s happened in the private sector with 16000 07:37:56,434 --> 07:37:58,800 in the private sector with hundreds of thousands of jobs 16001 07:37:58,800 --> 07:38:02,267 hundreds of thousands of jobs going and pay cuts around and 16002 07:38:02,267 --> 07:38:04,533 going and pay cuts around and so forth uh there is no threat 16003 07:38:04,533 --> 07:38:06,734 so forth uh there is no threat to public sector jobs. Uh 16004 07:38:06,734 --> 07:38:08,334 to public sector jobs. Uh redundant is a very low in the 16005 07:38:08,334 --> 07:38:10,599 redundant is a very low in the public sector uh average pay in 16006 07:38:10,599 --> 07:38:12,133 public sector uh average pay in the public sector is higher 16007 07:38:12,133 --> 07:38:14,334 the public sector is higher than that in the private sector 16008 07:38:14,334 --> 07:38:15,834 than that in the private sector and pensions of course are a 16009 07:38:15,834 --> 07:38:17,834 and pensions of course are a far better. So I think. It’s 16010 07:38:17,834 --> 07:38:19,334 far better. So I think. It’s reasonable at this time to 16011 07:38:19,334 --> 07:38:21,233 reasonable at this time to expect something for some 16012 07:38:21,233 --> 07:38:23,500 expect something for some restraint uh in the public 16013 07:38:23,500 --> 07:38:25,900 restraint uh in the public sector. remember every 1% on 16014 07:38:25,900 --> 07:38:28,333 sector. remember every 1% on the public sector pay cost us 16015 07:38:28,333 --> 07:38:29,367 the public sector pay cost us 2000000000 pounds a year and at 16016 07:38:29,367 --> 07:38:31,333 2000000000 pounds a year and at the moment we need to be very 16017 07:38:31,333 --> 07:38:33,667 the moment we need to be very careful about how much spending 16018 07:38:33,667 --> 07:38:36,399 careful about how much spending we do uh Harry Harry Potter um 16019 07:38:36,399 --> 07:38:37,767 we do uh Harry Harry Potter um I mean reasonable. That’s 16020 07:38:37,767 --> 07:38:39,067 I mean reasonable. That’s surely what L just said I mean 16021 07:38:39,067 --> 07:38:39,800 surely what L just said I mean there’s there’s going to be 16022 07:38:39,800 --> 07:38:41,767 there’s there’s going to be once in a while bearing in mind 16023 07:38:41,767 --> 07:38:43,333 once in a while bearing in mind that you know the public 16024 07:38:43,333 --> 07:38:44,467 that you know the public finances have to be kept into 16025 07:38:44,467 --> 07:38:46,901 finances have to be kept into check and those that work in 16026 07:38:46,901 --> 07:38:47,733 check and those that work in areas that are financed by the 16027 07:38:47,733 --> 07:38:49,333 areas that are financed by the public would have to bear the 16028 07:38:49,333 --> 07:38:52,366 public would have to bear the brunt of that to some degree. 16029 07:38:52,366 --> 07:38:54,066 brunt of that to some degree. Uh I’m afraid I disagree I 16030 07:38:54,066 --> 07:38:56,600 Uh I’m afraid I disagree I think um this uh potential 16031 07:38:56,600 --> 07:38:57,500 think um this uh potential announcement next week at the 16032 07:38:57,500 --> 07:38:59,967 announcement next week at the spending is deeply worrying. um 16033 07:38:59,967 --> 07:39:01,900 spending is deeply worrying. um uh these are workers who have 16034 07:39:01,900 --> 07:39:03,799 uh these are workers who have uh put their lives on the line 16035 07:39:03,799 --> 07:39:05,499 uh put their lives on the line to support us through the 16036 07:39:05,499 --> 07:39:08,099 to support us through the pandemic and the idea that uh 16037 07:39:08,099 --> 07:39:09,566 pandemic and the idea that uh our response to that is that is 16038 07:39:09,566 --> 07:39:13,434 our response to that is that is a taker is frankly for a pay 16039 07:39:13,434 --> 07:39:14,100 a taker is frankly for a pay freeze. I think is the phrase a 16040 07:39:14,100 --> 07:39:17,300 freeze. I think is the phrase a pay freeze is really 16041 07:39:17,300 --> 07:39:19,100 pay freeze is really disappointing is how quickly 16042 07:39:19,100 --> 07:39:21,967 disappointing is how quickly we’ve moved from for to a cap 16043 07:39:21,967 --> 07:39:24,299 we’ve moved from for to a cap for look. I mean we. Not once 16044 07:39:24,299 --> 07:39:26,000 for look. I mean we. Not once in a while we’ve had a decade 16045 07:39:26,000 --> 07:39:28,300 in a while we’ve had a decade of a pastries in this country 16046 07:39:28,300 --> 07:39:29,901 of a pastries in this country that for front line workers, 16047 07:39:29,901 --> 07:39:31,800 that for front line workers, they do an incredibly important 16048 07:39:31,800 --> 07:39:33,900 they do an incredibly important job and they deserve a pay rise 16049 07:39:33,900 --> 07:39:35,767 job and they deserve a pay rise to and recognition of that and 16050 07:39:35,767 --> 07:39:36,567 to and recognition of that and the comparisons with the 16051 07:39:36,567 --> 07:39:39,933 the comparisons with the private sector. I mean I share 16052 07:39:39,933 --> 07:39:41,800 private sector. I mean I share the concerns about um low low 16053 07:39:41,800 --> 07:39:44,133 the concerns about um low low low pay or uh unemployment in 16054 07:39:44,133 --> 07:39:44,733 low pay or uh unemployment in the private sector. The 16055 07:39:44,733 --> 07:39:46,000 the private sector. The challenge there is to stimulate 16056 07:39:46,000 --> 07:39:48,033 challenge there is to stimulate the economy so we don’t have 16057 07:39:48,033 --> 07:39:49,533 the economy so we don’t have that this government said it 16058 07:39:49,533 --> 07:39:50,234 that this government said it was gonna level after this 16059 07:39:50,234 --> 07:39:52,000 was gonna level after this shows. It’s it’s leveling down. 16060 07:39:52,000 --> 07:39:53,301 shows. It’s it’s leveling down. I’m I mean a couple of points. 16061 07:39:53,301 --> 07:39:54,000 I’m I mean a couple of points. I understand NS, doctors and 16062 07:39:54,000 --> 07:39:55,167 I understand NS, doctors and doctors and nurses expected to 16063 07:39:55,167 --> 07:39:57,400 doctors and nurses expected to be exempt in uh recognition for 16064 07:39:57,400 --> 07:39:58,367 be exempt in uh recognition for for their work the coronavirus 16065 07:39:58,367 --> 07:39:59,467 for their work the coronavirus pandemic. So that addresses 16066 07:39:59,467 --> 07:40:01,900 pandemic. So that addresses that. Uh May you sits at the 16067 07:40:01,900 --> 07:40:02,967 that. Uh May you sits at the desk for the Department of 16068 07:40:02,967 --> 07:40:04,267 desk for the Department of Agriculture might have to take 16069 07:40:04,267 --> 07:40:06,766 Agriculture might have to take a pay freeze. I mean what 16070 07:40:06,766 --> 07:40:07,966 a pay freeze. I mean what fundamentally do you? I mean 16071 07:40:07,966 --> 07:40:09,233 fundamentally do you? I mean bearing in mind how many people 16072 07:40:09,233 --> 07:40:09,967 bearing in mind how many people are losing their jobs? how many 16073 07:40:09,967 --> 07:40:12,000 are losing their jobs? how many people are taking pay cuts or 16074 07:40:12,000 --> 07:40:14,767 people are taking pay cuts or had hours reduced redundancy. I 16075 07:40:14,767 --> 07:40:17,200 had hours reduced redundancy. I mean, come on Harry once in a 16076 07:40:17,200 --> 07:40:19,867 mean, come on Harry once in a while, surely a pay pay when 16077 07:40:19,867 --> 07:40:20,467 while, surely a pay pay when you’ve already got a job for 16078 07:40:20,467 --> 07:40:21,900 you’ve already got a job for life and a pension that you 16079 07:40:21,900 --> 07:40:24,066 life and a pension that you couldn’t buy on the high street 16080 07:40:24,066 --> 07:40:25,900 couldn’t buy on the high street if we tried, that’s the least 16081 07:40:25,900 --> 07:40:27,467 if we tried, that’s the least you can do isn’t it. I’m 16082 07:40:27,467 --> 07:40:28,999 you can do isn’t it. I’m afraid, but it’s also 16083 07:40:28,999 --> 07:40:32,334 afraid, but it’s also economically. I mean uh the the 16084 07:40:32,334 --> 07:40:34,901 economically. I mean uh the the issue here is we’ve got the you 16085 07:40:34,901 --> 07:40:37,300 issue here is we’ve got the you know deep procession uh private 16086 07:40:37,300 --> 07:40:37,966 know deep procession uh private sector spending investment is 16087 07:40:37,966 --> 07:40:39,799 sector spending investment is going down individual spending 16088 07:40:39,799 --> 07:40:41,299 going down individual spending with spending that you and I 16089 07:40:41,299 --> 07:40:42,400 with spending that you and I put in the economy is going 16090 07:40:42,400 --> 07:40:43,399 put in the economy is going down the role of the government 16091 07:40:43,399 --> 07:40:45,766 down the role of the government right now is to step in and 16092 07:40:45,766 --> 07:40:47,467 right now is to step in and invest and take up that slack 16093 07:40:47,467 --> 07:40:49,900 invest and take up that slack and the result if we do that 16094 07:40:49,900 --> 07:40:51,567 and the result if we do that both in terms of paying our 16095 07:40:51,567 --> 07:40:53,933 both in terms of paying our public sector work properly and 16096 07:40:53,933 --> 07:40:54,800 public sector work properly and also, of course the wider 16097 07:40:54,800 --> 07:40:56,467 also, of course the wider leveling up investment that the 16098 07:40:56,467 --> 07:40:57,100 leveling up investment that the government talks about the 16099 07:40:57,100 --> 07:41:00,299 government talks about the result will be economic. Will 16100 07:41:00,299 --> 07:41:02,133 result will be economic. Will recover more quickly Treasury 16101 07:41:02,133 --> 07:41:03,300 recover more quickly Treasury will get in more more in 16102 07:41:03,300 --> 07:41:05,366 will get in more more in taxation and pay out less than 16103 07:41:05,366 --> 07:41:08,367 taxation and pay out less than welfare and debt GP. What we’re 16104 07:41:08,367 --> 07:41:09,766 welfare and debt GP. What we’re worried about here. This is the 16105 07:41:09,766 --> 07:41:12,299 worried about here. This is the justification for this policy 16106 07:41:12,299 --> 07:41:13,900 justification for this policy will actually be lower than if 16107 07:41:13,900 --> 07:41:15,400 will actually be lower than if we did nothing. so it’s not 16108 07:41:15,400 --> 07:41:16,734 we did nothing. so it’s not only morally problematic 16109 07:41:16,734 --> 07:41:18,833 only morally problematic morally repugnant, but it’s 16110 07:41:18,833 --> 07:41:19,767 morally repugnant, but it’s also economically literate as 16111 07:41:19,767 --> 07:41:22,133 also economically literate as well. Okay, it’s a false 16112 07:41:22,133 --> 07:41:24,434 well. Okay, it’s a false economy Well, it’s it’s a false 16113 07:41:24,434 --> 07:41:26,234 economy Well, it’s it’s a false piece of analysis so on that 16114 07:41:26,234 --> 07:41:28,399 piece of analysis so on that basis, uh you know we ought to 16115 07:41:28,399 --> 07:41:29,767 basis, uh you know we ought to double the pay of public sector 16116 07:41:29,767 --> 07:41:31,299 double the pay of public sector workers. If we’re talking about 16117 07:41:31,299 --> 07:41:34,366 workers. If we’re talking about this is some kind of injection. 16118 07:41:34,366 --> 07:41:36,133 this is some kind of injection. Of extra spending my public 16119 07:41:36,133 --> 07:41:38,301 Of extra spending my public sector workers uh there may 16120 07:41:38,301 --> 07:41:39,766 sector workers uh there may well be a case for some types 16121 07:41:39,766 --> 07:41:41,834 well be a case for some types of investment and so forth as 16122 07:41:41,834 --> 07:41:43,734 of investment and so forth as part of the government’s plan 16123 07:41:43,734 --> 07:41:44,800 part of the government’s plan going forward, but simply 16124 07:41:44,800 --> 07:41:46,399 going forward, but simply paying people more for their 16125 07:41:46,399 --> 07:41:47,900 paying people more for their existing job is not the way to 16126 07:41:47,900 --> 07:41:50,234 existing job is not the way to go about it. Yeah. I mean how 16127 07:41:50,234 --> 07:41:50,900 go about it. Yeah. I mean how would your response? It’s you 16128 07:41:50,900 --> 07:41:52,000 would your response? It’s you know these these are public 16129 07:41:52,000 --> 07:41:53,966 know these these are public sector workers. Harry Not you 16130 07:41:53,966 --> 07:41:56,367 sector workers. Harry Not you know not everybody is a 16131 07:41:56,367 --> 07:41:59,399 know not everybody is a superhero. Well. I’m people are 16132 07:41:59,399 --> 07:42:00,934 superhero. Well. I’m people are paid to do a job. It’s not just 16133 07:42:00,934 --> 07:42:03,267 paid to do a job. It’s not just NS workers that have put their 16134 07:42:03,267 --> 07:42:04,867 NS workers that have put their lives on the line during this 16135 07:42:04,867 --> 07:42:06,667 lives on the line during this period, you know. Social care 16136 07:42:06,667 --> 07:42:07,734 period, you know. Social care workers are they’re gonna be 16137 07:42:07,734 --> 07:42:11,334 workers are they’re gonna be exempt. Ns work uh huh. Uh yes 16138 07:42:11,334 --> 07:42:13,034 exempt. Ns work uh huh. Uh yes indeed, but but what I’m saying 16139 07:42:13,034 --> 07:42:14,133 indeed, but but what I’m saying is it’s not just NS workers 16140 07:42:14,133 --> 07:42:15,667 is it’s not just NS workers that deserve that recognition. 16141 07:42:15,667 --> 07:42:16,933 that deserve that recognition. You know there’s a whole lot of 16142 07:42:16,933 --> 07:42:18,334 You know there’s a whole lot of public sector workers and 16143 07:42:18,334 --> 07:42:19,766 public sector workers and indeed there are private sector 16144 07:42:19,766 --> 07:42:21,899 indeed there are private sector workers use people’s job. It is 16145 07:42:21,899 --> 07:42:22,634 workers use people’s job. It is your job to do everything 16146 07:42:22,634 --> 07:42:24,800 your job to do everything you’re describing is already 16147 07:42:24,800 --> 07:42:26,533 you’re describing is already somebody’s job isn’t it is 16148 07:42:26,533 --> 07:42:27,599 somebody’s job isn’t it is someone’s job, but we have to 16149 07:42:27,599 --> 07:42:29,034 someone’s job, but we have to work out how we value those 16150 07:42:29,034 --> 07:42:30,467 work out how we value those dogs and I and I think one of 16151 07:42:30,467 --> 07:42:32,767 dogs and I and I think one of the from the pandemic is that 16152 07:42:32,767 --> 07:42:34,234 the from the pandemic is that there are whole host of jobs in 16153 07:42:34,234 --> 07:42:35,867 there are whole host of jobs in both actually the public. And 16154 07:42:35,867 --> 07:42:38,300 both actually the public. And the private sector, which we’ve 16155 07:42:38,300 --> 07:42:39,800 the private sector, which we’ve undervalued which other society 16156 07:42:39,800 --> 07:42:41,034 undervalued which other society undervalued that could be a 16157 07:42:41,034 --> 07:42:43,933 undervalued that could be a care worker. it could be uh a 16158 07:42:43,933 --> 07:42:45,733 care worker. it could be uh a bus driver and many of of these 16159 07:42:45,733 --> 07:42:47,800 bus driver and many of of these professions have suffered 16160 07:42:47,800 --> 07:42:48,234 professions have suffered disproportionately from covet 16161 07:42:48,234 --> 07:42:49,434 disproportionately from covet nineteen because they’ve gone 16162 07:42:49,434 --> 07:42:50,533 nineteen because they’ve gone out to work. they put their 16163 07:42:50,533 --> 07:42:51,967 out to work. they put their lives at risk and we’ve 16164 07:42:51,967 --> 07:42:53,533 lives at risk and we’ve realized which jobs really 16165 07:42:53,533 --> 07:42:55,299 realized which jobs really matter and they’re not the jobs 16166 07:42:55,299 --> 07:42:56,133 matter and they’re not the jobs that we value the most highly 16167 07:42:56,133 --> 07:42:57,334 that we value the most highly intend to pay and there should 16168 07:42:57,334 --> 07:42:58,667 intend to pay and there should be a recognition of that. you 16169 07:42:58,667 --> 07:42:59,800 be a recognition of that. you know, I mean what are the areas 16170 07:42:59,800 --> 07:43:02,634 know, I mean what are the areas of uh that we realize we valued 16171 07:43:02,634 --> 07:43:03,467 of uh that we realize we valued more than we thought what 16172 07:43:03,467 --> 07:43:04,567 more than we thought what people are working in 16173 07:43:04,567 --> 07:43:06,299 people are working in supermarkets. And you know many 16174 07:43:06,299 --> 07:43:08,800 supermarkets. And you know many many of those people will 16175 07:43:08,800 --> 07:43:10,233 many of those people will perhaps be taking pay cuts or 16176 07:43:10,233 --> 07:43:11,167 perhaps be taking pay cuts or even losing their jobs. We’ve 16177 07:43:11,167 --> 07:43:13,533 even losing their jobs. We’ve already seen numbers of 16178 07:43:13,533 --> 07:43:14,800 already seen numbers of redundancies announced so you 16179 07:43:14,800 --> 07:43:16,734 redundancies announced so you know that those people are not 16180 07:43:16,734 --> 07:43:18,634 know that those people are not enjoying the fruits of a job 16181 07:43:18,634 --> 07:43:19,967 enjoying the fruits of a job for life arrangement over there 16182 07:43:19,967 --> 07:43:22,300 for life arrangement over there in the public sector, Harry but 16183 07:43:22,300 --> 07:43:22,999 in the public sector, Harry but surely if the government is 16184 07:43:22,999 --> 07:43:24,766 surely if the government is serious about leveling up if 16185 07:43:24,766 --> 07:43:26,334 serious about leveling up if it’s more than just a slogan, 16186 07:43:26,334 --> 07:43:27,967 it’s more than just a slogan, what they need to do in this 16187 07:43:27,967 --> 07:43:29,500 what they need to do in this case is not focus on leveling 16188 07:43:29,500 --> 07:43:31,800 case is not focus on leveling down but the leveling up 16189 07:43:31,800 --> 07:43:32,967 down but the leveling up doesn’t refer to every every 16190 07:43:32,967 --> 07:43:34,834 doesn’t refer to every every nook and cranny of life. I mean 16191 07:43:34,834 --> 07:43:36,267 nook and cranny of life. I mean they were talking as a more 16192 07:43:36,267 --> 07:43:38,301 they were talking as a more general point about leveling up 16193 07:43:38,301 --> 07:43:40,300 general point about leveling up the north to south and the like 16194 07:43:40,300 --> 07:43:42,533 the north to south and the like but if they’re serious about 16195 07:43:42,533 --> 07:43:43,867 but if they’re serious about leveling up, then that has to 16196 07:43:43,867 --> 07:43:46,334 leveling up, then that has to mean uh proper pay for for for 16197 07:43:46,334 --> 07:43:48,433 mean uh proper pay for for for for for good work and II agree 16198 07:43:48,433 --> 07:43:50,599 for for good work and II agree that means looking at for 16199 07:43:50,599 --> 07:43:52,500 that means looking at for example the the plaster of low 16200 07:43:52,500 --> 07:43:54,900 example the the plaster of low paid jobs that in this country 16201 07:43:54,900 --> 07:43:56,467 paid jobs that in this country that aren’t aren’t given a 16202 07:43:56,467 --> 07:43:58,300 that aren’t aren’t given a proper wage and but the 16203 07:43:58,300 --> 07:43:59,800 proper wage and but the solution that is not a cut for 16204 07:43:59,800 --> 07:44:00,667 solution that is not a cut for public sector workers as a 16205 07:44:00,667 --> 07:44:03,067 public sector workers as a solution to that is a current 16206 07:44:03,067 --> 07:44:04,399 solution to that is a current economic policy that ensures 16207 07:44:04,399 --> 07:44:07,167 economic policy that ensures that everyone is. Fairly for 16208 07:44:07,167 --> 07:44:08,267 that everyone is. Fairly for the work they do learn how 16209 07:44:08,267 --> 07:44:09,434 the work they do learn how would you respond to that? I 16210 07:44:09,434 --> 07:44:10,800 would you respond to that? I mean you’ve made your points 16211 07:44:10,800 --> 07:44:12,400 mean you’ve made your points known in terms of the wider 16212 07:44:12,400 --> 07:44:13,667 known in terms of the wider issue, but you know Harry’s 16213 07:44:13,667 --> 07:44:16,434 issue, but you know Harry’s point is that you know we need 16214 07:44:16,434 --> 07:44:18,800 point is that you know we need to perhaps be looking after the 16215 07:44:18,800 --> 07:44:19,700 to perhaps be looking after the public sector. a little more. I 16216 07:44:19,700 --> 07:44:21,867 public sector. a little more. I think that’s sort of partly 16217 07:44:21,867 --> 07:44:23,333 think that’s sort of partly defines what Harry say well, 16218 07:44:23,333 --> 07:44:24,733 defines what Harry say well, Harry’s wondering in between 16219 07:44:24,733 --> 07:44:26,000 Harry’s wondering in between the public and the private 16220 07:44:26,000 --> 07:44:27,267 the public and the private sector and the private sectors 16221 07:44:27,267 --> 07:44:29,366 sector and the private sectors a different set of this I think 16222 07:44:29,366 --> 07:44:31,033 a different set of this I think in the public sector and uh I 16223 07:44:31,033 --> 07:44:32,599 in the public sector and uh I think one problem we have is we 16224 07:44:32,599 --> 07:44:34,933 think one problem we have is we think of it as a kind of 16225 07:44:34,933 --> 07:44:36,599 think of it as a kind of undated maps and clearly there 16226 07:44:36,599 --> 07:44:37,933 undated maps and clearly there are some parts of the public 16227 07:44:37,933 --> 07:44:40,467 are some parts of the public sector, which. Do deserve more, 16228 07:44:40,467 --> 07:44:42,834 sector, which. Do deserve more, I actually think that paying in 16229 07:44:42,834 --> 07:44:44,434 I actually think that paying in London for some public sector 16230 07:44:44,434 --> 07:44:46,800 London for some public sector workers is too low and paid for 16231 07:44:46,800 --> 07:44:48,301 workers is too low and paid for public sector workers in some 16232 07:44:48,301 --> 07:44:49,767 public sector workers in some parts of the country. It’s too 16233 07:44:49,767 --> 07:44:51,234 parts of the country. It’s too hard uh and we haven’t got a 16234 07:44:51,234 --> 07:44:52,767 hard uh and we haven’t got a sufficiently differentiated way 16235 07:44:52,767 --> 07:44:54,767 sufficiently differentiated way of doing this. It’s all a 16236 07:44:54,767 --> 07:44:55,434 of doing this. It’s all a blanket kind of thing and 16237 07:44:55,434 --> 07:44:56,867 blanket kind of thing and that’s what we need to move 16238 07:44:56,867 --> 07:44:58,133 that’s what we need to move away from. We need to be much 16239 07:44:58,133 --> 07:45:01,767 away from. We need to be much more selective in what we what 16240 07:45:01,767 --> 07:45:03,167 more selective in what we what we reward in the public sector 16241 07:45:03,167 --> 07:45:04,767 we reward in the public sector as far as the private sector 16242 07:45:04,767 --> 07:45:07,467 as far as the private sector are you right in to point out 16243 07:45:07,467 --> 07:45:10,800 are you right in to point out that many uh supermarket. With 16244 07:45:10,800 --> 07:45:13,867 that many uh supermarket. With other um groups workers who we 16245 07:45:13,867 --> 07:45:15,399 other um groups workers who we don’t think of as being key 16246 07:45:15,399 --> 07:45:17,300 don’t think of as being key workers, but they have proved 16247 07:45:17,300 --> 07:45:18,933 workers, but they have proved to be key workers uh the 16248 07:45:18,933 --> 07:45:20,267 to be key workers uh the delivery vans all these kind of 16249 07:45:20,267 --> 07:45:21,467 delivery vans all these kind of shells, which have kept us 16250 07:45:21,467 --> 07:45:22,833 shells, which have kept us going during the recession, 16251 07:45:22,833 --> 07:45:25,233 going during the recession, whereas you say many people 16252 07:45:25,233 --> 07:45:26,000 whereas you say many people working in the civil service 16253 07:45:26,000 --> 07:45:28,299 working in the civil service have had no pay cuts. They’ve 16254 07:45:28,299 --> 07:45:29,267 have had no pay cuts. They’ve been able to work in 16255 07:45:29,267 --> 07:45:30,767 been able to work in comfortable surroundings with 16256 07:45:30,767 --> 07:45:32,267 comfortable surroundings with no risk attached. They’re not 16257 07:45:32,267 --> 07:45:33,667 no risk attached. They’re not in the front line. They’re not 16258 07:45:33,667 --> 07:45:34,999 in the front line. They’re not in danger. We need to be much 16259 07:45:34,999 --> 07:45:35,834 in danger. We need to be much more selected in the way we 16260 07:45:35,834 --> 07:45:37,199 more selected in the way we treat. Yeah, just a final point 16261 07:45:37,199 --> 07:45:39,434 treat. Yeah, just a final point on that then Harry I mean. You 16262 07:45:39,434 --> 07:45:40,500 on that then Harry I mean. You know we have to get real here a 16263 07:45:40,500 --> 07:45:42,000 know we have to get real here a bit. Don’t we these are mostly 16264 07:45:42,000 --> 07:45:44,733 bit. Don’t we these are mostly people with a job for life even 16265 07:45:44,733 --> 07:45:46,866 people with a job for life even if it means taking a pay freeze 16266 07:45:46,866 --> 07:45:48,434 if it means taking a pay freeze the conditions you will get in 16267 07:45:48,434 --> 07:45:49,799 the conditions you will get in the public sector in terms of 16268 07:45:49,799 --> 07:45:51,434 the public sector in terms of security far far out anything 16269 07:45:51,434 --> 07:45:54,299 security far far out anything you would get elsewhere. I’m 16270 07:45:54,299 --> 07:45:55,834 you would get elsewhere. I’m afraid I’d I’d I’d just 16271 07:45:55,834 --> 07:45:58,000 afraid I’d I’d I’d just disagree and I think the nature 16272 07:45:58,000 --> 07:45:59,500 disagree and I think the nature of the kind of there some game 16273 07:45:59,500 --> 07:46:02,301 of the kind of there some game here it is in the it’s not zero 16274 07:46:02,301 --> 07:46:03,367 here it is in the it’s not zero sum is that you’re somewhere 16275 07:46:03,367 --> 07:46:05,133 sum is that you’re somewhere every there’s a here isn’t the 16276 07:46:05,133 --> 07:46:06,667 every there’s a here isn’t the you know the treasury are gonna 16277 07:46:06,667 --> 07:46:08,133 you know the treasury are gonna look at a number of things they 16278 07:46:08,133 --> 07:46:10,400 look at a number of things they can do and one of those things 16279 07:46:10,400 --> 07:46:13,967 can do and one of those things would not be to attach a pay 16280 07:46:13,967 --> 07:46:16,000 would not be to attach a pay rise at this time to public 16281 07:46:16,000 --> 07:46:18,667 rise at this time to public sector workers. uh the there is 16282 07:46:18,667 --> 07:46:20,800 sector workers. uh the there is a growing consensus is a very 16283 07:46:20,800 --> 07:46:22,634 a growing consensus is a very small fringe, which the a is 16284 07:46:22,634 --> 07:46:26,267 small fringe, which the a is part um uh. That are arguing 16285 07:46:26,267 --> 07:46:27,667 part um uh. That are arguing against you know a stimulus at 16286 07:46:27,667 --> 07:46:28,900 against you know a stimulus at this moment. Even the eye mask 16287 07:46:28,900 --> 07:46:30,000 this moment. Even the eye mask is saying we should not be 16288 07:46:30,000 --> 07:46:31,533 is saying we should not be worrying about the debt right 16289 07:46:31,533 --> 07:46:33,933 worrying about the debt right now the priority should be 16290 07:46:33,933 --> 07:46:34,634 now the priority should be investing in the public’s in 16291 07:46:34,634 --> 07:46:37,834 investing in the public’s in public senses in social 16292 07:46:37,834 --> 07:46:39,434 public senses in social distinct both to stimulate the 16293 07:46:39,434 --> 07:46:42,000 distinct both to stimulate the economy, but also to um to to 16294 07:46:42,000 --> 07:46:43,634 economy, but also to um to to make our more resilient more 16295 07:46:43,634 --> 07:46:45,100 make our more resilient more able to withstand what is gonna 16296 07:46:45,100 --> 07:46:46,599 able to withstand what is gonna be a very difficult winter in a 16297 07:46:46,599 --> 07:46:49,800 be a very difficult winter in a second way and my view is and I 16298 07:46:49,800 --> 07:46:51,299 second way and my view is and I think it’s shared by a large 16299 07:46:51,299 --> 07:46:52,133 think it’s shared by a large majority of population that 16300 07:46:52,133 --> 07:46:52,867 majority of population that people that have put their 16301 07:46:52,867 --> 07:46:55,500 people that have put their lives at risk. The pandemic key 16302 07:46:55,500 --> 07:46:57,766 lives at risk. The pandemic key workers should be paid a decent 16303 07:46:57,766 --> 07:46:58,633 workers should be paid a decent wage and the idea that we go 16304 07:46:58,633 --> 07:47:00,000 wage and the idea that we go for a second round of austerity 16305 07:47:00,000 --> 07:47:03,434 for a second round of austerity at this point is is a shame. I 16306 07:47:03,434 --> 07:47:05,000 at this point is is a shame. I hope we don’t have to define 16307 07:47:05,000 --> 07:47:06,300 hope we don’t have to define just the phrases austerity, but 16308 07:47:06,300 --> 07:47:07,867 just the phrases austerity, but Harry Thank you. Harry Quilter 16309 07:47:07,867 --> 07:47:10,533 Harry Thank you. Harry Quilter pin who is associate director 16310 07:47:10,533 --> 07:47:11,800 pin who is associate director of the Institute for Public 16311 07:47:11,800 --> 07:47:13,167 of the Institute for Public Policy Research. That’s a 16312 07:47:13,167 --> 07:47:14,467 Policy Research. That’s a left-wing think tank and 16313 07:47:14,467 --> 07:47:15,766 left-wing think tank and professor Lynn Shackleton, 16314 07:47:15,766 --> 07:47:16,900 professor Lynn Shackleton, professor of economics at the 16315 07:47:16,900 --> 07:47:18,900 professor of economics at the University of It’s the job for 16316 07:47:18,900 --> 07:47:20,234 University of It’s the job for Life nature. I know there are 16317 07:47:20,234 --> 07:47:21,534 Life nature. I know there are some areas of the public sector 16318 07:47:21,534 --> 07:47:23,800 some areas of the public sector that we you know that you. Not 16319 07:47:23,800 --> 07:47:25,533 that we you know that you. Not necessarily have a full 16320 07:47:25,533 --> 07:47:26,301 necessarily have a full contract I remember talking to 16321 07:47:26,301 --> 07:47:27,933 contract I remember talking to I saw this a number of times 16322 07:47:27,933 --> 07:47:29,467 I saw this a number of times people are working Parliament 16323 07:47:29,467 --> 07:47:33,299 people are working Parliament this fellow a few years ago now 16324 07:47:33,299 --> 07:47:39,766 this fellow a few years ago now um he was caught three times um 16325 07:47:39,766 --> 07:47:41,100 um he was caught three times um three times it was an clearly 16326 07:47:41,100 --> 07:47:42,700 three times it was an clearly had a drink problem um and he 16327 07:47:42,700 --> 07:47:44,767 had a drink problem um and he would disappear with his drink 16328 07:47:44,767 --> 07:47:47,767 would disappear with his drink into like one of the many many 16329 07:47:47,767 --> 07:47:50,467 into like one of the many many hundreds of offices in the 16330 07:47:50,467 --> 07:47:51,667 hundreds of offices in the parliamentary building and he 16331 07:47:51,667 --> 07:47:52,900 parliamentary building and he go with his bottle of whiskey 16332 07:47:52,900 --> 07:47:55,333 go with his bottle of whiskey and he would find a computer 16333 07:47:55,333 --> 07:47:58,767 and he would find a computer access porn on the computer. 16334 07:47:58,767 --> 07:48:01,599 access porn on the computer. The workplace and sit there 16335 07:48:01,599 --> 07:48:03,167 The workplace and sit there with his whiskey and um whiskey 16336 07:48:03,167 --> 07:48:06,000 with his whiskey and um whiskey in one hand and yeah can guess 16337 07:48:06,000 --> 07:48:10,767 in one hand and yeah can guess the rest um. So and this fellow 16338 07:48:10,767 --> 07:48:13,800 the rest um. So and this fellow was caught. You imagine this, 16339 07:48:13,800 --> 07:48:15,967 was caught. You imagine this, he’s this is uh a blog that 16340 07:48:15,967 --> 07:48:17,299 he’s this is uh a blog that works so he’s caught you’d 16341 07:48:17,299 --> 07:48:17,967 works so he’s caught you’d think that would be it. You 16342 07:48:17,967 --> 07:48:20,000 think that would be it. 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Per customer free bet not included in returns apply 16485 07:52:53,967 --> 07:52:55,834 not included in returns apply eighteen plus be gamble aware 16486 07:52:55,834 --> 07:52:58,799 eighteen plus be gamble aware to a new Collins with day 16487 07:52:58,799 --> 07:53:00,699 to a new Collins with day afternoons from one on talk 16488 07:53:00,699 --> 07:53:03,899 afternoons from one on talk radio. 16489 07:53:19,867 --> 07:53:21,333 By the way what kind of hair 16490 07:53:21,333 --> 07:53:23,967 By the way what kind of hair dye does Rudy Giuliani use uh 16491 07:53:23,967 --> 07:53:25,634 dye does Rudy Giuliani use uh did you say I mentioned that he 16492 07:53:25,634 --> 07:53:27,434 did you say I mentioned that he was sweating suit earlier uh 16493 07:53:27,434 --> 07:53:28,800 was sweating suit earlier uh because he gave a press 16494 07:53:28,800 --> 07:53:31,767 because he gave a press conference and his hair dye 16495 07:53:31,767 --> 07:53:33,767 conference and his hair dye just kind of came out of his 16496 07:53:33,767 --> 07:53:37,434 just kind of came out of his hair during the sweat that if 16497 07:53:37,434 --> 07:53:39,399 hair during the sweat that if you wanna dye your hair, Rudy 16498 07:53:39,399 --> 07:53:41,567 you wanna dye your hair, Rudy to buy some proper hair dye, 16499 07:53:41,567 --> 07:53:44,167 to buy some proper hair dye, that’s like the spray on stuff 16500 07:53:44,167 --> 07:53:47,467 that’s like the spray on stuff isn’t it? It’s just like it’s 16501 07:53:47,467 --> 07:53:48,767 isn’t it? It’s just like it’s just like water based paint 16502 07:53:48,767 --> 07:53:53,567 just like water based paint that you’d give a kid. Wow. Uh 16503 07:53:53,567 --> 07:53:54,900 that you’d give a kid. Wow. Uh we will go to your calls 16504 07:53:54,900 --> 07:53:55,967 we will go to your calls shortly got lots to get through 16505 07:53:55,967 --> 07:53:57,634 shortly got lots to get through as well. uh more on uh what was 16506 07:53:57,634 --> 07:53:59,767 as well. uh more on uh what was going on in the Bbc’s in terms 16507 07:53:59,767 --> 07:54:02,133 going on in the Bbc’s in terms of uh that there is sadly Abc 16508 07:54:02,133 --> 07:54:05,567 of uh that there is sadly Abc crossover is the Bbc’s. story 16509 07:54:05,567 --> 07:54:06,133 crossover is the Bbc’s. story as well, which I’ll I’ll come 16510 07:54:06,133 --> 07:54:09,400 as well, which I’ll I’ll come on to if you haven’t heard uh 16511 07:54:09,400 --> 07:54:13,333 on to if you haven’t heard uh but also this uh Boeing’s 737 16512 07:54:13,333 --> 07:54:15,801 but also this uh Boeing’s 737 Max has been given the all 16513 07:54:15,801 --> 07:54:19,166 Max has been given the all clear to return to the. 16514 07:54:31,700 --> 07:54:34,800 Three 350 people dead the in 16515 07:54:34,800 --> 07:54:36,434 Three 350 people dead the in Indonesia in Twenty-eighteen 16516 07:54:36,434 --> 07:54:37,899 Indonesia in Twenty-eighteen Ethiopia in Twenty-nineteen led 16517 07:54:37,899 --> 07:54:39,799 Ethiopia in Twenty-nineteen led to global scrutiny of both 16518 07:54:39,799 --> 07:54:42,766 to global scrutiny of both Boeing and the Federal Aviation 16519 07:54:42,766 --> 07:54:44,367 Boeing and the Federal Aviation Administration, Thea, but 16520 07:54:44,367 --> 07:54:45,799 Administration, Thea, but transport agencies say they are 16521 07:54:45,799 --> 07:54:48,299 transport agencies say they are now 100% confident of the 16522 07:54:48,299 --> 07:54:50,334 now 100% confident of the aircraft’s safety. would you 16523 07:54:50,334 --> 07:54:52,000 aircraft’s safety. would you feel anxious about flying on 16524 07:54:52,000 --> 07:54:53,334 feel anxious about flying on one of these things? Uh let’s 16525 07:54:53,334 --> 07:54:57,399 one of these things? Uh let’s speak to Alex who’s an aviation 16526 07:54:57,399 --> 07:54:58,900 speak to Alex who’s an aviation expert. um Alex this kinda came 16527 07:54:58,900 --> 07:55:00,033 expert. um Alex this kinda came around rather quietly. I guess 16528 07:55:00,033 --> 07:55:02,334 around rather quietly. I guess if you read aviation based 16529 07:55:02,334 --> 07:55:02,967 if you read aviation based headlines you’d be familiar 16530 07:55:02,967 --> 07:55:04,000 headlines you’d be familiar with the process of getting 16531 07:55:04,000 --> 07:55:05,234 with the process of getting these these things back in the 16532 07:55:05,234 --> 07:55:07,867 these these things back in the sky. But it wasn’t exactly all 16533 07:55:07,867 --> 07:55:10,333 sky. But it wasn’t exactly all guns blazing they’ve suddenly 16534 07:55:10,333 --> 07:55:11,767 guns blazing they’ve suddenly returned rather quietly it has 16535 07:55:11,767 --> 07:55:13,300 returned rather quietly it has been a quiet return, and that’s 16536 07:55:13,300 --> 07:55:15,766 been a quiet return, and that’s probably because aviation is 16537 07:55:15,766 --> 07:55:16,399 probably because aviation is currently facing the largest 16538 07:55:16,399 --> 07:55:18,933 currently facing the largest crisis in the history of flight 16539 07:55:18,933 --> 07:55:21,233 crisis in the history of flight itself, The nineteen pandemic, 16540 07:55:21,233 --> 07:55:23,100 itself, The nineteen pandemic, but what this is this is the 16541 07:55:23,100 --> 07:55:24,567 but what this is this is the most significant update as you 16542 07:55:24,567 --> 07:55:27,766 most significant update as you said the 737 Max is the short 16543 07:55:27,766 --> 07:55:29,301 said the 737 Max is the short best-selling aircraft from 16544 07:55:29,301 --> 07:55:30,766 best-selling aircraft from Boeing Airlines around the 16545 07:55:30,766 --> 07:55:32,301 Boeing Airlines around the world have orders for this 16546 07:55:32,301 --> 07:55:33,899 world have orders for this aircraft, including Brian, for 16547 07:55:33,899 --> 07:55:35,133 aircraft, including Brian, for example, and this aircraft has 16548 07:55:35,133 --> 07:55:37,399 example, and this aircraft has been on the. For almost 2 16549 07:55:37,399 --> 07:55:39,300 been on the. For almost 2 years, there has been an almost 16550 07:55:39,300 --> 07:55:41,334 years, there has been an almost 2 year following those two 16551 07:55:41,334 --> 07:55:42,933 2 year following those two fatal crashes. What has 16552 07:55:42,933 --> 07:55:44,500 fatal crashes. What has happened now is being cleared 16553 07:55:44,500 --> 07:55:46,800 happened now is being cleared to fly in the US. We are now 16554 07:55:46,800 --> 07:55:48,433 to fly in the US. We are now waiting for the rest of the 16555 07:55:48,433 --> 07:55:49,900 waiting for the rest of the world’s regulators to follow 16556 07:55:49,900 --> 07:55:52,000 world’s regulators to follow well, um in terms of what went 16557 07:55:52,000 --> 07:55:53,767 well, um in terms of what went wrong, uh just remind us of 16558 07:55:53,767 --> 07:55:56,467 wrong, uh just remind us of this and how they put it right. 16559 07:55:56,467 --> 07:55:57,967 this and how they put it right. I’ll try to keep it really 16560 07:55:57,967 --> 07:56:00,000 I’ll try to keep it really simple. Basically this aircraft 16561 07:56:00,000 --> 07:56:01,634 simple. Basically this aircraft was grounded worldwide all of 16562 07:56:01,634 --> 07:56:03,067 was grounded worldwide all of the countries around the world 16563 07:56:03,067 --> 07:56:04,533 the countries around the world grounded it before the US 16564 07:56:04,533 --> 07:56:06,766 grounded it before the US President Trump. Himself was in 16565 07:56:06,766 --> 07:56:07,767 President Trump. Himself was in denial that there was anything 16566 07:56:07,767 --> 07:56:09,933 denial that there was anything wrong uh but then, of course 16567 07:56:09,933 --> 07:56:11,267 wrong uh but then, of course they followed suit it all comes 16568 07:56:11,267 --> 07:56:13,800 they followed suit it all comes down to the system on the 16569 07:56:13,800 --> 07:56:15,299 down to the system on the aircraft that was sending the 16570 07:56:15,299 --> 07:56:17,367 aircraft that was sending the aircraft mid flight into a 16571 07:56:17,367 --> 07:56:19,399 aircraft mid flight into a quote uncontrollable nose dive 16572 07:56:19,399 --> 07:56:21,434 quote uncontrollable nose dive a nose dive that could not have 16573 07:56:21,434 --> 07:56:23,267 a nose dive that could not have been recovered by flight crew 16574 07:56:23,267 --> 07:56:25,300 been recovered by flight crew because pilots were never 16575 07:56:25,300 --> 07:56:26,967 because pilots were never informed that the system even 16576 07:56:26,967 --> 07:56:28,634 informed that the system even existed on board this aircraft. 16577 07:56:28,634 --> 07:56:31,034 existed on board this aircraft. Boeing did not add it to the to 16578 07:56:31,034 --> 07:56:31,634 Boeing did not add it to the to the manuals. This has come 16579 07:56:31,634 --> 07:56:33,766 the manuals. This has come intense scrutiny A US 16580 07:56:33,766 --> 07:56:35,234 intense scrutiny A US congressional report slamming 16581 07:56:35,234 --> 07:56:36,567 congressional report slamming they said that Boeing failed 16582 07:56:36,567 --> 07:56:38,500 they said that Boeing failed in. Design of the seven through 16583 07:56:38,500 --> 07:56:40,000 in. Design of the seven through seven max in the development of 16584 07:56:40,000 --> 07:56:42,434 seven max in the development of the aircraft and Thea they are 16585 07:56:42,434 --> 07:56:44,000 the aircraft and Thea they are the regulator they found in 16586 07:56:44,000 --> 07:56:45,567 the regulator they found in their oversight of Boeing. They 16587 07:56:45,567 --> 07:56:46,999 their oversight of Boeing. They said that Boeing have the in 16588 07:56:46,999 --> 07:56:49,034 said that Boeing have the in its pocket and that’s how the 16589 07:56:49,034 --> 07:56:50,467 its pocket and that’s how the aircraft was raised out onto 16590 07:56:50,467 --> 07:56:51,967 aircraft was raised out onto the market with such 16591 07:56:51,967 --> 07:56:54,933 the market with such fundamental flaws and important 16592 07:56:54,933 --> 07:56:56,967 fundamental flaws and important to note. now this aircraft Yes 16593 07:56:56,967 --> 07:56:58,834 to note. now this aircraft Yes is now back in the US is is 16594 07:56:58,834 --> 07:57:02,334 is now back in the US is is being clear to no structural 16595 07:57:02,334 --> 07:57:02,967 being clear to no structural differences, though only 16596 07:57:02,967 --> 07:57:04,733 differences, though only software upgrades wow, so it 16597 07:57:04,733 --> 07:57:09,399 software upgrades wow, so it was a software issue. All along 16598 07:57:09,399 --> 07:57:10,867 was a software issue. All along well, it’s a software issue, 16599 07:57:10,867 --> 07:57:12,399 well, it’s a software issue, ultimately correcting something 16600 07:57:12,399 --> 07:57:14,500 ultimately correcting something that is structural. basically, 16601 07:57:14,500 --> 07:57:16,167 that is structural. basically, it’s the size of the engines 16602 07:57:16,167 --> 07:57:17,267 it’s the size of the engines and the positioning of the 16603 07:57:17,267 --> 07:57:18,933 and the positioning of the engines if the aircraft pitch 16604 07:57:18,933 --> 07:57:21,233 engines if the aircraft pitch up too high. what the aircraft 16605 07:57:21,233 --> 07:57:23,767 up too high. what the aircraft wanted to respond by doing was 16606 07:57:23,767 --> 07:57:25,399 wanted to respond by doing was a nose dive was being was 16607 07:57:25,399 --> 07:57:26,599 a nose dive was being was pitching down and so what 16608 07:57:26,599 --> 07:57:27,967 pitching down and so what they’ve done is they’ve 16609 07:57:27,967 --> 07:57:29,200 they’ve done is they’ve corrected the system that that 16610 07:57:29,200 --> 07:57:30,933 corrected the system that that trying to stabilize that 16611 07:57:30,933 --> 07:57:32,900 trying to stabilize that maneuver and ultimately this 16612 07:57:32,900 --> 07:57:34,834 maneuver and ultimately this software doesn’t take away from 16613 07:57:34,834 --> 07:57:36,567 software doesn’t take away from the design floor of the max, 16614 07:57:36,567 --> 07:57:38,967 the design floor of the max, but what it does is it stops it 16615 07:57:38,967 --> 07:57:40,300 but what it does is it stops it Boeing say from going into a 16616 07:57:40,300 --> 07:57:42,766 Boeing say from going into a nose. And keep it in a level 16617 07:57:42,766 --> 07:57:45,067 nose. And keep it in a level position and pilots around the 16618 07:57:45,067 --> 07:57:46,534 position and pilots around the world will now receive extra 16619 07:57:46,534 --> 07:57:47,800 world will now receive extra training to know how to cope 16620 07:57:47,800 --> 07:57:49,900 training to know how to cope with any irregularities to do 16621 07:57:49,900 --> 07:57:51,067 with any irregularities to do with the as you can imagine. 16622 07:57:51,067 --> 07:57:52,900 with the as you can imagine. and as I’m sure many of your 16623 07:57:52,900 --> 07:57:54,434 and as I’m sure many of your listeners are thinking there is 16624 07:57:54,434 --> 07:57:56,133 listeners are thinking there is no international concern 16625 07:57:56,133 --> 07:57:58,867 no international concern worldwide. Would you get on 16626 07:57:58,867 --> 07:58:00,766 worldwide. Would you get on one? Alex I have full trust in 16627 07:58:00,766 --> 07:58:02,267 one? Alex I have full trust in our regulator so if the 16628 07:58:02,267 --> 07:58:03,766 our regulator so if the European Aviation Safety 16629 07:58:03,766 --> 07:58:05,500 European Aviation Safety Agency, specifically, who we 16630 07:58:05,500 --> 07:58:07,900 Agency, specifically, who we know uh came out against the in 16631 07:58:07,900 --> 07:58:09,067 know uh came out against the in the beginning, if they now 16632 07:58:09,067 --> 07:58:10,900 the beginning, if they now would say that it was. Then I 16633 07:58:10,900 --> 07:58:13,333 would say that it was. Then I have faith in those regulators 16634 07:58:13,333 --> 07:58:14,599 have faith in those regulators would I feel uncomfortable in 16635 07:58:14,599 --> 07:58:15,933 would I feel uncomfortable in the beginning? just because of 16636 07:58:15,933 --> 07:58:17,267 the beginning? just because of how closely I have followed 16637 07:58:17,267 --> 07:58:18,700 how closely I have followed these developments over the 16638 07:58:18,700 --> 07:58:20,000 these developments over the last 2 years, years, Yes, but 16639 07:58:20,000 --> 07:58:21,299 last 2 years, years, Yes, but that’s a feeling. I think 16640 07:58:21,299 --> 07:58:22,599 that’s a feeling. I think that’s a feeling in my stomach 16641 07:58:22,599 --> 07:58:23,800 that’s a feeling in my stomach rather than a feeling in my 16642 07:58:23,800 --> 07:58:25,366 rather than a feeling in my head where I know that I do 16643 07:58:25,366 --> 07:58:27,833 head where I know that I do have a faith in our in our 16644 07:58:27,833 --> 07:58:29,500 have a faith in our in our regulators and as I say Europe 16645 07:58:29,500 --> 07:58:30,766 regulators and as I say Europe haven’t come forward yet to 16646 07:58:30,766 --> 07:58:32,301 haven’t come forward yet to certify this aircraft, but it 16647 07:58:32,301 --> 07:58:34,634 certify this aircraft, but it is expected to Alex. Thank you. 16648 07:58:34,634 --> 07:58:37,634 is expected to Alex. Thank you. Alex Aviation expert on on 16649 07:58:37,634 --> 07:58:38,500 Alex Aviation expert on on that. he’d really about half 16650 07:58:38,500 --> 07:58:39,799 that. he’d really about half the time I don’t think you 16651 07:58:39,799 --> 07:58:41,367 the time I don’t think you realize what plane you’re on 16652 07:58:41,367 --> 07:58:43,400 realize what plane you’re on anyway. Tend to just get on the 16653 07:58:43,400 --> 07:58:44,000 anyway. Tend to just get on the plane. You don’t know whether 16654 07:58:44,000 --> 07:58:47,500 plane. You don’t know whether it’s a 7372747 whatever it 16655 07:58:47,500 --> 07:58:49,800 it’s a 7372747 whatever it happens to be honest 747 16656 07:58:49,800 --> 07:58:50,367 happens to be honest 747 doesn’t exist anymore doesn’t 16657 07:58:50,367 --> 07:58:53,934 doesn’t exist anymore doesn’t does it. Is what Ricky they 16658 07:58:53,934 --> 07:58:56,301 does it. Is what Ricky they still call them jumbo jets. I 16659 07:58:56,301 --> 07:58:57,299 still call them jumbo jets. I got on one of those massive 16660 07:58:57,299 --> 07:58:58,867 got on one of those massive things not that long ago. Uh 16661 07:58:58,867 --> 07:59:00,434 things not that long ago. Uh it’s got an upstairs. the A 16662 07:59:00,434 --> 07:59:01,867 it’s got an upstairs. the A round and Ricky knows all the 16663 07:59:01,867 --> 07:59:02,967 round and Ricky knows all the terminology the a 380, but 16664 07:59:02,967 --> 07:59:04,300 terminology the a 380, but aren’t they doing away with the 16665 07:59:04,300 --> 07:59:06,000 aren’t they doing away with the A three isn’t that going cuz it 16666 07:59:06,000 --> 07:59:07,900 A three isn’t that going cuz it seems to have gone as quick as 16667 07:59:07,900 --> 07:59:09,799 seems to have gone as quick as it arrived. It wasn’t it too 16668 07:59:09,799 --> 07:59:12,299 it arrived. It wasn’t it too Big. They’re absolutely 16669 07:59:12,299 --> 07:59:14,767 Big. They’re absolutely massive. I never went up. so I 16670 07:59:14,767 --> 07:59:16,133 massive. I never went up. so I think the first class is 16671 07:59:16,133 --> 07:59:18,033 think the first class is upstairs. That’s why I never 16672 07:59:18,033 --> 07:59:20,599 upstairs. That’s why I never went upstairs but uh aunt from 16673 07:59:20,599 --> 07:59:22,033 went upstairs but uh aunt from Anton Deck was on the same 16674 07:59:22,033 --> 07:59:25,399 Anton Deck was on the same flight. he went upstairs. Oh, 16675 07:59:25,399 --> 07:59:27,867 flight. he went upstairs. Oh, yes. Oh. yeah I could’ve got a 16676 07:59:27,867 --> 07:59:29,467 yes. Oh. yeah I could’ve got a picture that day by the way cuz 16677 07:59:29,467 --> 07:59:31,234 picture that day by the way cuz I was in the queue. my other 16678 07:59:31,234 --> 07:59:33,899 I was in the queue. my other half when’s the bloat from ans 16679 07:59:33,899 --> 07:59:34,500 half when’s the bloat from ans deck. I’m like, Oh, yeah, I 16680 07:59:34,500 --> 07:59:36,366 deck. I’m like, Oh, yeah, I think he’s with that girl. what 16681 07:59:36,366 --> 07:59:37,634 think he’s with that girl. what the one that the papers are 16682 07:59:37,634 --> 07:59:39,766 the one that the papers are trying to establish whether 16683 07:59:39,766 --> 07:59:41,500 trying to establish whether he’s with her could’ve snapped 16684 07:59:41,500 --> 07:59:44,000 he’s with her could’ve snapped away, but who would who would 16685 07:59:44,000 --> 07:59:45,233 away, but who would who would it who would do that? uh? but 16686 07:59:45,233 --> 07:59:46,133 it who would do that? uh? but that’s why he went upstairs to 16687 07:59:46,133 --> 07:59:48,233 that’s why he went upstairs to get away from to rags like me I 16688 07:59:48,233 --> 07:59:50,766 get away from to rags like me I imagine with that camera folk 16689 07:59:50,766 --> 07:59:52,334 imagine with that camera folk uh but it was an amazing. It’s 16690 07:59:52,334 --> 07:59:53,299 uh but it was an amazing. It’s one of those but you don’t know 16691 07:59:53,299 --> 07:59:54,033 one of those but you don’t know you’re on it. It was beautiful. 16692 07:59:54,033 --> 07:59:55,800 you’re on it. It was beautiful. I thought I gotta get rid of 16693 07:59:55,800 --> 07:59:56,500 I thought I gotta get rid of this. That’s a step backwards. 16694 07:59:56,500 --> 08:00:01,300 this. That’s a step backwards. isn’t it 034? Nine 1000 is the 16695 08:00:01,300 --> 08:00:02,867 isn’t it 034? Nine 1000 is the uh the numbers the time the 16696 08:00:02,867 --> 08:00:04,300 uh the numbers the time the number. The time is up two, 16697 08:00:04,300 --> 08:00:06,466 number. The time is up two, however, which means the 16698 08:00:06,466 --> 08:00:07,167 however, which means the headlines from Charlotte to